shoulder problems with sailing
Jay Halford
home. I just got diagnosed with some rotator cuff damage (tendinitis
specifically),and no way can I sail for awhile. It was actually sailing in
heavy air that led to this. Now I will really have to concentrate on harness
use in big conditions (usually don't really think about it). Have always had
sore shoulders in past after a big sesh, but just ignored it. Can barely
even move the damn thing now.
I have a question for any of those who had similar problems actually caused
by sailing itself. Were you able to sail pain free after rehab? Doc says
it'll take a month or so to heal, and I need some therapy, but no surgury. I
am REALLY worried that it may end my windsurfing, or at least make a serious
dent in it. I'm tempted to just sail through the pain, but am informed that
can damage me permanently.
Jay
Brian Foster
through the pain".
Listen to your doctor and get a good phsical therapist (mental therapist if
you're off the water too long) and use lots of ice. Ice reduces the
inflamation. 3X a day.
Good luck.
PS: it does get better and you can stregthen the shoulder with rehab so it
will be less likely to come back.
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Dennis Lent
snapping in overpowering 3.5 winds. The loaded up sail without my
counterbalance damaged my RC. Its a complex joint but you can usually
tell the different types by the therapy involved. I had to walk the
wall with my arm, straighten it out with a broom, etc. Its humbling
to struggle with 5 lb weights. Nevertheless, with therapy I am able
to kite/windsurf like new though it will continue to be a "weak" spot,
by that I mean after a long day if somewhere will ache it will be
there. I hardly notice mine anymore, and when I do its a reminder
that I'm not young anymore. Of course, since I messed up my MCL a few
years ago that has replaced the RC for nite time trips to the medicine
cabinet.
Have no fear, you'll be able to kite again BUT STICK RELIGIOUSLY to
the therapy and don't overdo it. I extended my stay on the disabled
list by refusing to pass up a preplanned vacation to Hatteras. I
medicated and sailed. I enjoyed the sailing but it put me all the way
back to the beginning of therapy.
I can guarantee you'll have your harness lines a perfect length when
you start sailing again. If they are too long your shoulder will tell
you real quick.
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Dennis Lent
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Tom Whittemore
Could not raise my right bicips. Currently my arm is back up to 90% and
I'm sailing again. Take the month off, and get some PT, massage and
some anti-imflams. Set up your own exercise program for your arms with
weights and bands and stick to it even during trips. (and the winter).
don;t forget to ice every day.
If I sail hard I get tendonitis in the shoulders, but I;m going to try
to use weights to keep my arms stretched out this next trip in Nov.
take care.
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MTVNewsGuy
I've had rotator cuff surgery on both shoulders over a ten year span...each
surgery takes you out of sailing completely for half a year, and full recovery
takes two years, in my opinion. And that's with rigorous physical therapy.
Take the advice of everyone who has suggested PT now. Physical Therapy is
particularly helpful for shoulder problems.<< vikin...@earthlink.net
Date: Wed, Sep 29, 2004 1:19 PM
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Michael
Mike F
term. But USE THAT HARNESS RIGHT. It should take up 80-90% of the load from
your arms, I'd guess -- probably 95% in a reach.
Mike \m/
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Tom Whittemore
arm. Everyone should learn to trust the harness.
Paul Braunbehrens
Put them on immediately after sailing, to keep inflammation from even
starting. They aren't too $$$ I think about 3$ each.
Also spend some time on your technique, i.e. learn to sail in a way
that doesn't cause the problem. For example, I have found that rigging
big sails in a hurry will hurt my shoulder, because of how I pull the
sail down the mast. Waterstarting in a hurry, yanking sail and board
into position, also cause my shoulders to hurt. Now I take my time,
and if the sail is big I lift it near the top first, then work my way
down.
I'm willing to bet that you can work out what causes the problem and
deal with it. Best of luck to you!
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quadzilla41
windsurfing afterward and windsurfing on a high level too. So in your
situation with a diagnosis of non surgery, you should be back on the
water in short order. Like others have said you need to have a PT who
is familar with athletes and sports injury, then you need to do the
work. I would say that in less than 6 weeks you will be at near full
recovery. I had rotator cuff repair plus removal of the end on my
clavicle and I did the work and was released to ski in 13 weeks. I
had the surgery in Oct and didn't feel my shoulder when I started
windsurfing the next spring. Now my shoulder feels great and the only
thing that I can't do with is is heavy weights, windsurfing no
problems.
Paul Braunbehrens
you are doing is making adjustments, mostly to deal with the sail
sheeting out in gusts. At least that's how I was taught.
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Jay Halford
go straps, then harness. Not doing that anymore.
Sometimes get seriously tossed on jibes in high wind too which can't be good
on the shoulders. I have some stuff to work on for sure.
Jay
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Tom Whittemore
is a downhaul crank. Best investment I ever made.
Chuck
As a windsurfer who is facing right shoulder rotor cuff repair
surgery this November, I feel more positive about returning to
windsurfing sooner rather than later after reading your post.
Although I originally injured my shoulder 2 1/2 years ago while high
wind wave sailing I have managed to put off the surgery through
exercies/pt but have finally decided to get it done. There is still
discomfort and limited motion when raising my arm up and out plus I
fear damaging it worse through continued windsurfing.
I was 50 years old when I the rotor cuff injury first occurred and I
believe it was due to not keeping my shoulders and arms in good enough
physical shape and not windsurfing frequently enough to do so without
off the water shoulder exercise to augment the occassional windsurfing
work out. You can do that when you are younger but I have found out
that if you want to keep actively windsurfing beyond 50, and you don't
have time to do it several days a week or more, then you have to have
an ongoing exercise/workout program to avoid injury and keep in good
enough shape to sail.
Chuck
Chesapeake, VA
wind, rock, and snow
you only sailed the big wind days because you brought your own smaller
gear down and missing a lot of quality lesser wind days on bigger
stuff. If I only sail once in while, my old gymnastics shoulders hurt
so I suggest you sail more often with great timing and technique. If
I muscle it, the shoulders rebel. If I technique it and sail often
enough, not a problem. Also do some arm cirles before sailing to warm
up and stretch the shoulder a bit before sailing.
The first three replies to your message by Brian, Paul, and Tom were
great. I think ice and rest, very calculated sailing with great
technique, perfect harness line usage, and maybe a downhaul crank
could help. Very interesting replies when you put the three together
to eliminate shoulder stress and find better shoulder success.
I'm heading back to Cabarete for sure next summer for a week in May
and 2 in July as I can do it all there from big stuff to small stuff
plus continue to learn both kiting and better windsurfing.
Ned
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Peter Berkey
> I think ice and rest, very calculated sailing with great
> technique, perfect harness line usage, and maybe a downhaul crank
> could help.
I agree. Jay, maybe you could sail the Gorge east winds all winter instead
of Baja.... that way you'll get plenty of ice on that shoulder!! ;-)
Jay wrote:
>> Now I will really have to concentrate on harness
> > use in big conditions....
Can't remember now.... are you using a waist harness or a seat harness?
Don't want to turn this into a this vs. that thread, but maybe if you try a
different type of harness it might make a difference?
-- Pete
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quadzilla41
I had my shoulder done when I was 55. The original injury was years
old due to a ski wreck. I was skiing a icy patch of moguls that had
about 4" of powder on top. I kind of tripped over a mogul and next
thing knew I was sailing down the hill head first. I shoulder planted
into another mogul. When I got up there was bad pain and I couldn't
straighten up. I managed to ski down and went to the emergency room.
I had broken the head of my humerus. In time the humerus healed but
my shoulder was not right. I sucked it up for years and the shoulder
progressively got worse and worse and at the end had very little
range of motion. I finally went to a ortho and had a MRI. The scan
showed torn rotator cuff and big bone spurs on the end of my
clavicle. I needed surgery mainly because the spurs were chewing up
my deltoid and the joint itself. Anyway, after all the horror stories
reguarding shoulder surgery, I found out that all in all it wasn't
that bad as far as pain and recovery. I did go to a PT initially, but
I felt it was a waste going to the facility because I could do the
programs at home in my own gym here at my house. After a little over
three months my doc tested my shoulder and said you can ski but no
diggers for 6 months. So I went skiing the next day. I did ski
conservatively for a long time and just stayed on the groomers and a
little XC skiing. Sailing season started and I didn't even notice my
shoulder. I think that the sports I do which is skiing, windsurfing
and biking one doesn't really need a big range of motion. If I was
into golf, tennis or softball, then I know that I probably be
finished, but for what I do my shoulder works good and I am more than
happy with the results. I not only did the work rehabing my shoulder
but I still workout hard on a daily basis in my weightroom doing lots
of reps and specific shoulder building routines. You will be fine!
RON
[/quote]
As a windsurfer who is facing right shoulder rotor cuff repair
surgery this November, I feel more positive about returning to
windsurfing sooner rather than later after reading your post.
Although I originally injured my shoulder 2 1/2 years ago while high
wind wave sailing I have managed to put off the surgery through
exercies/pt but have finally decided to get it done. There is still
discomfort and limited motion when raising my arm up and out plus I
fear damaging it worse through continued windsurfing.
I was 50 years old when I the rotor cuff injury first occurred and
I
believe it was due to not keeping my shoulders and arms in good
enough
physical shape and not windsurfing frequently enough to do so
without
off the water shoulder exercise to augment the occassional
windsurfing
work out. You can do that when you are younger but I have found out
that if you want to keep actively windsurfing beyond 50, and you
don't
have time to do it several days a week or more, then you have to have
an ongoing exercise/workout program to avoid injury and keep in good
enough shape to sail.
Chuck
Chesapeake, VA[/quote]
Jay Halford
PT, and heavy air technique.
Not going back to Cab myself. I don't like sailing light air, and am
physically unable to kite (3 fused vertebrae, can't look up).
Jay
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Jay Halford
my arms, but in big air I muscle it entering (straps first), and my jibes
suck ( I get pulled right off the board at times). The problem is that I am
plenty strong for my weight, so I would just muscle it for the hell of it.
My harness use is quite good when I bother to think about it. BTW, I use
short lines (18"), and a fairly high boom. I can hang on the thing with
ease, but can't enter until I get moving. I don't think I need to change
this.
Jay
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Paul Braunbehrens
shoulders still hurt if I have to sail for a long time in non planing
conditions. If I'm planing BAF I have no problems. I try to always be
hooked in, and making the lines long for slogging really helps.
Also, I find that when I do stuff that hurts my shoulders it NEVER
hurts when I do it. I just think "oh, that was a bad movement", and
hours later it hurts. I've gotten pretty good at not doing those...but
it takes time to figure it out because there is no immediate feedback.
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