Help - Old tie-on boom to mast connection
Mark
doesn't have a modern clamp arrangement. Instead it has a system of holes, a
cleat and some line to tie it on to the mast with, which I guess was the old
way of doing it.
Is there a good way of tieing it to the mast or is it just a case of trial
and error until I get it tight?
Any advice greatly appreciated...
Mark
dubois
Once the mast is in the sail and you placed the mast foot, lay the sail
on the floor, place the boom on top along the mast (the rear of the boom
towards the mast foot). Now is the tricky part because of the knots
system but I remember that the rope had to go around the mast twice
(really tight) and come back in the front of the boom and do some kind
of knot which can be untied quite easily once you finished sailing. Once
the boom is tied to the mast in this position, you have to grab the rear
of the boom, pass the mast foot within the boom and bring the boom up to
the clew and attache it. This will cause tension on the rope at the
front of the boom and should hold it quite well.
Once you get the trick it is quite simple.
Hope this helps,
Francois
RFJmail
>Is there a good way of tieing it to the mast or is it just a case of trial
>and error until I get it tight?
>
>Any advice greatly appreciated...
>
Yeah, stop being so cheap and buy a new boom. Aside from the pain in the butt
of attaching the old boom, the boom grip on the old booms will tear up your
wife's hands. New booms ain't that expensive, and you'll avoid a lot of hassels
and pain. IMHO, of course.
Bob Jacobson
NLW TFW NM
AWAY and buy a real boom, sail, and carbon mast. .
Mike \m/
Carsten B
If she thinks you are spending to much money on windsurfing gear, then buy
her some flowers. It's amazing how much goodwill a bucket of flowers to $10
can give!!!!
Regards,
Carsten B
Mark <m...@wiggins-t.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I've just bought an old F2 lightning for my wife to learn on, but the boom
> doesn't have a modern clamp arrangement. Instead it has a system of holes,
a
> cleat and some line to tie it on to the mast with, which I guess was the
old
> way of doing it.
>
> Is there a good way of tieing it to the mast or is it just a case of trial
> and error until I get it tight?
>
> Any advice greatly appreciated...
>
> Mark
>
>
Roger Nightingale
together properly, the fit is almost as good as a clamp-on.
Take the extensions off and lay the boom on the mast so that the
outhaul end points towards the mast tip. Take the inhaul line and
double it over on itself to form a loop. Pass the free ends of the
line underneath and around the mast and then through the loop. The
line should be on the section of mast between the boom head and the
base extension. Now, take the 2 free ends of the line and pass them
thru the holes in the boom head from the underside. Tie them together
using a square knot. Swing the booms down to their normal position,
but be careful. Doing this tightens the line, and on a well designed
boom head, you can damage the mast. If you feel its too tight, loosen
the square knot and try again. Put your extensions back on, and you're
good to go. You can also use the bottom-up method, where you don't
have to take off the extension, but that generally results in a much
less secure fit.
Have fun - you're ahead of the industry - tie-ons will come back, just
like everything else has :) Now if I could just find my old Rocket
103, I'd be wide styling.
Roger
--
Roger Nightingale
Duke University
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Dave Oltman
Roger Nightingale wrote in message <37206DE2...@acpub.duke.edu>...
>The best sailor I know still swears by his tie-on booms, and when put
>together properly, the fit is almost as good as a clamp-on.
Gee. "Almost as good" as a clamp-on and ten time the hassle (not to mention
the potential for damaging the mast.) That doesn't sound like much of a
testimonial.
Dave O
Steven Slaby
Roger Nightingale (r...@acpub.duke.edu) writes:
> The best sailor I know still swears by his tie-on booms, and when put
> together properly, the fit is almost as good as a clamp-on.
>
> Have fun - you're ahead of the industry - tie-ons will come back, just
> like everything else has :) Now if I could just find my old Rocket
> 103, I'd be wide styling.
I only see drawbacks to tie-on:
- takes longer to do
- fit *almost* as good
- possibility of crushing the mast is the line is too tight
- cannot adjust the height of the boom on the water
I think I will stay behind with clamp-on ;-)
Steve.
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Charles Livaudais
This can't be emphasized enough, so I'll
repeat what several others have already said:
throw that boom away and get your wife
something that's easy to use. You'll both
be glad you did.
> Mark <m...@wiggins-t.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:7fo5ek$vrf$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > I've just bought an old F2 lightning for my wife to learn on, but the boom
> > doesn't have a modern clamp arrangement. Instead it has a system of holes,
> a
> > cleat and some line to tie it on to the mast with, which I guess was the
> old
> > way of doing it.
> >
> > Is there a good way of tieing it to the mast or is it just a case of trial
> > and error until I get it tight?
> >
> > Any advice greatly appreciated...
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
>
>
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Georges Boyer
an old diagram of how to do it. I'll try to find it this weekend and fax
you a copy if you like. the basic idea is to tie a figure eight knot in one
end of the line, lay the boom parallel to the mast, wrap the line around the
mast a couple of times, take it down to the cleat on the boom, and then
bring the boom down until it's roughly perpendicular to the mast. Be
careful not to get the line too tight, or you can damage the mast. Back in
the old days, we used to develop stress fractures on our Windsurfer masts
when the connection was too tight. On the other hand, if it's too loose,
she'll hate you, if you get my drift. What I sometimes do is use a long
enough piece of line to go around the mast above the boom a couple of times,
then down and aroud the mast under the boom a couple of times, then back up
to the cleat.
Mark wrote in message <7fo5ek$vrf$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...
sail...@interpath.com
wrote:
>I've just bought an old F2 lightning for my wife to learn on, but the boom
>doesn't have a modern clamp arrangement. Instead it has a system of holes, a
>cleat and some line to tie it on to the mast with, which I guess was the old
>way of doing it.
Mark:
I could tell you how to tie that boom on, but I won't.
Why?
Becuase when you tie on that 6-7 lb boom, on the 7-8 lb fiberglass
mast, and rig up that old sail, you will be giving your wife about 100
excuses not to like windsurfing.
The 3 most significan ( out of 100) are:
#1 The gear is too heavy and my back hurts!
#2 The rig is too complicated and I don't have the strength to rig it
myself!
#3 All this rigging stuff takes the fun out of it. Windsurfing
is not fun, especially all this rigging stuff.
The above are my version of the most significant 3 reasons why there
are so many "windsurf widows"!
Had they been given the proper instruction, light easy to rig, user
friendly gear, and a lot of love and encouragement, they most likely
would be out there sailing right beside their husbands/boyfriends.
Get some modern gear for her, the board is probably ok, but an >18
lb. rig, with a tie on boom is definitely not OK!
A modern all carbon trainer rig weighs about 8-9 lbs.
That's a 50% reduction in weight,!
Oh, while you are at it, get her a small diameter boom, carbon is
better, but in a small boom, not as important as the grip diameter.
Women have smaller hands, and the reduced grip diameter can be very
important to overall sailing comfort.
AND
Why not give your wife, and your relationship the best possible chance
to co-exist with your windsufing.
Get her professional lessons, on state of the art trainer gear,
hopefully at some place with ideal beginner conditions (warm
water/lite (6-10 knot) winds.
Given the above advantages, she will most likely enjoy the sport and
may even take it up as something "she liikes to do".
You only get one shot at this, so if you really want to see your wife
out on the water, spend a few dollars wisely now, and anticipate a
terrific outcome.
If you blow this opportunity, by saving a few bucks, or trying to
teach her yourself, there's still the possiblity she will like WS and
become avidly interested in it.
But the falures outweigh the successes by at least 3:1 if you take the
inexpensive/do it yourself approach.
later
Roger
sailquik (Roger Jackson) US 7011
Cert. WS Instructor (Lvl 1)
F2/MPB/Sailworks/Tectonics/True Ames/Chinook/Kokatat/DaKine
Phones: So. MD (301)872-9459; Avon, NC (252) 995-3204
William Fragakis
> On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:35:41 +0100, "Mark" <m...@wiggins-t.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
I think what Roger was trying to say:
Carbon Mast$200-300
Skinny Boom $150
Trainer Sail (Light Monofilm 3.5 to 5.5 depending on size, ability,
strenght, etc.) $200 max
total bill:$650
Versus
Flowers:$50
Ibuprofen:$30 (the jumbo size at Costco)
Physical Therapy/Massage:$75
Couples Counseling:3 @$110
Broken Rig (yours) when she figures out how much nicer your stuff is than hers:
$800-1000
Flowers (again):$75
Chocolates:$25
Dinner out plus baby-sitter (to make amends and bravely raise the subject
of her trying windsurfing again):$250
At this point, if your smart, you'll wise up and get the lightweight
trainer rig.
If not:
Trip to Aruba: $3000
Embarrassment when she runs off with Enrique, the pool boy, while you're
out windsurfing (which she has no intention of doing because her back
still hurts when she turns just so): $?
Couples counseling:5@$110
Family practice attorney: $2000 (?)
you see where this is going...
Is this the woman whom you've asked (or going to ask) to give birth to
your children? And you want her to use a heavy, tie-on boom...
Yours, in humor,
William
ECavan6070
chance
>to co-exist with your windsufing.
>Get her professional lessons, on state of the art trainer gear,
>hopefully at some place with ideal beginner conditions (warm
>water/lite (6-10 knot) winds.
And if by chance she happens to come up with some mysterious rash or itch on
her inner thighs or in between her breasts, guess which thin, early-planing
instructor will be on hand to apply the papaya!
Dave. #:-))
MTVNewsGuy
wetsuits from. At least the boom will still feel like it's contributing.
Michael
US5613
Roger Nightingale
you've got, I don't see that as being a being a major hinderance for
beginners. My wife learned on *exactly* the same F2 kit that Mark
bought (which, by the way, is one of the best tie-on systems I've ever
seen). Everyone trashing tie-ons in this thread learned on them (I
would hope). Learning to windsurf is difficult and frustrating no
matter what kind of gear is being used. If someone gives up on the
sport because they don't have clamp-on carbon fiber booms and mast,
then, IMHO, they're a lost cause. And I don't think there's any reason
to single out wives and girlfriends here - if they want to learn, they
are every bit as dedicated and tenacious as guys. I haven't seen an
increase in the proportion of female sailors with the advent of clamp
on booms and carbon fiber masts. In fact, most of the windsrufing
women I know learned on tie-ons and Ampros.
Roger
Dave Oltman wrote:
>
> Roger Nightingale wrote in message <37206DE2...@acpub.duke.edu>...
> >The best sailor I know still swears by his tie-on booms, and when put
> >together properly, the fit is almost as good as a clamp-on.
>
> Gee. "Almost as good" as a clamp-on and ten time the hassle (not to mention
> the potential for damaging the mast.) That doesn't sound like much of a
> testimonial.
>
> Dave O
--
Mark
quick update - I have now succeeded in getting the connection tight, and
once rigged it works fine - it is surprisingly slim and light for an old
boom. The major pain, as some of you suggested, is that you can't adjust it.
I'll see how it goes, I guess when I've got some cash I'll have to get a
clamp on model after all...(and definitely a carbon mast).
Cheers for now, and good sailing to all.
Mark
Mark wrote in message <7fo5ek$vrf$1...@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>I've just bought an old F2 lightning for my wife to learn on, but the boom
>doesn't have a modern clamp arrangement. Instead it has a system of holes,
a
>cleat and some line to tie it on to the mast with, which I guess was the
old
>way of doing it.
>
NLW TFW NM
It's almost that time of year, at least on the top half of the globe, for swap
meets.
Used clamp-on booms are down to the price of some movies, if one buys popcorn
and all that stuff.
A used carbon mast might cost more like a tank of gas for your Hummer in
California.
Mike \m/