Which 32-inch...Toshiba, Mitsubishi, Panasonic? Recommendations, please.
Mark (Min) He
I am in the same process of buying a 32" TV, and I waiting for the new G
models from Toshiba, which will be available soon in July. I like 32G60
the most for its digital comb filter and 2 A/V input. I hope it can be
had for less than $1000. For Panasonic, I heard of their SuperFlat
series, but am not sure how it compares to the new Toshiba's. The
Toshiba CX32F60 will be replaced by the 32G60 very soon.
Hope this helps.
Mark
ra...@unlimited.net wrote:
>
> The choice is between three sets: the Toshiba CX32F60, the Mitsubishi CS-32307,
> and the Panasonic CT-32G22. What are folks opinions on these sets? All of
> these sets have comb filters (analog) and can be had for under $1000. Please
> give me your honest opinion. If you have a recommendation for a differrent
> model, please don't hesitate to let me know!
>
> Thanks in advance -
Dennis Shiley
The Best Buy store here in Delaware has a Toshiba CX32F70. I have not seen
this model in the Toshiba product literature, but the difference is that
the F70 has a "Perfect" tube the same as the CX35F70. I don't remember the
price, but it was right around $1000. If I were buying a 32" this would be
my choice.
Dennis
ra...@unlimited.net wrote in article <5p9375$o...@drn.zippo.com>...
Paul W. Henne
ra...@unlimited.net (ra...@unlimited.net) wrote:
|The choice is between three sets: the Toshiba CX32F60, the Mitsubishi CS-32307,
|and the Panasonic CT-32G22. What are folks opinions on these sets? All of
|these sets have comb filters (analog) and can be had for under $1000. Please
|give me your honest opinion. If you have a recommendation for a differrent
|model, please don't hesitate to let me know!
|
|Thanks in advance -
|
My opinion? I'll likely be labelled as a purist, but my opinion is there
are no watchable 32" sets for under $1000 (USD).
With the larger screen sizes available today just having a comb filter is
not enough. Comb filters are great for detail, but they have some
unfortunate side effects. These side effects weren't a problem at the 25"
screen size, but become very visible on larger screens. I refer to "dot
crawl", which can best be described as a fixed or moving zipper effect seen
in places where two different colors meet. Analog comb filters have this
problem, and on a 32" screen it will be quite visible. You may not notice
it at first, but after a while it becomes very annoying [to me anyways,
even on a 27" set].
Many modern sets now use a digital comb filter, which helps a lot, but
that's only the beginning. There is more than one kind of digital comb
filter; 2D and 3D are what you hear about the most here (maybe that's all
there is - I'm no expert on comb filters). Even with the 2D there is some
dot crawl, but much less than with an analog comb filter. 3D digital comb
filters are the best (in consumer gear - I dunno about professional), but
they are very expensive, and usually only found on top of the line models.
I own a 27" Panasonic (CT-27SF23) which has a digital 2D comb filter and I
am very happy with it. You might consider the Panasonic CT-31SF23 model, a
31" size very similar to mine, that can usually be had for not much more
than $1000(USD).
Of the 3 sets you mention, sight unseen, I'd be tempted to go with the
Mitsubishi, although there was one Mits. that got a very bad review here a
while back and I'm not sure if it was the one you mentioned.
Stay away from Sony in this price range (unless it says XBR on it) and
since Louis Carliner hasn't been around recently I will also counsel you to
avoid any RCA/Proscan products (I trust his opinion - and he says "Hold
your nose and run!"). :)
Paul
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Paul W. Henne (p...@clark.net-no.soliciting) wrote:
: ra...@unlimited.net (ra...@unlimited.net) wrote:
: |The choice is between three sets: the Toshiba CX32F60, the Mitsubishi CS-32307,
: My opinion? I'll likely be labelled as a purist, but my opinion is there
: are no watchable 32" sets for under $1000 (USD).
: Many modern sets now use a digital comb filter, which helps a lot, but
: that's only the beginning. There is more than one kind of digital comb
: filter; 2D and 3D are what you hear about the most here (maybe that's all
: there is - I'm no expert on comb filters). Even with the 2D there is some
: dot crawl, but much less than with an analog comb filter. 3D digital comb
: filters are the best (in consumer gear - I dunno about professional), but
: they are very expensive, and usually only found on top of the line models.
: I own a 27" Panasonic (CT-27SF23) which has a digital 2D comb filter and I
: am very happy with it. You might consider the Panasonic CT-31SF23 model, a
: 31" size very similar to mine, that can usually be had for not much more
: than $1000(USD).
: Paul
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The Buzz work is "digital comb filter" which does help a lot,
but it is not the only thing. The CRT is one major component
that most people over-look. Best electronic circuit does no
good without great CRT.
Panasonic Super Flat, and Toshiba FST perfect tube are great,
probably the best tubes around.
For the $1000 the toshiba cx32e70 is the best, the Panasonic
31'' Super flat Gaoo is another best but cost $400 more.
In my opinion, buy the best tv that you can afford, and
also buy one size larget than you think you need.
For 32'' or larger, get the set with digital comb filter
and a great tube.
Duc
ra...@unlimited.net
In article <5pe6ml$jn...@ocean.cup.hp.com>, dt...@cup.hp.com says...
>Paul W. Henne (p...@clark.net-no.soliciting) wrote:
>: ra...@unlimited.net (ra...@unlimited.net) wrote:
>: |The choice is between three sets: the Toshiba CX32F60, the Mitsubishi
>CS-32307,
>
>: My opinion? I'll likely be labelled as a purist, but my opinion is there
>: are no watchable 32" sets for under $1000 (USD).
Ok, purist :) Seriously, tho', I'd like to get a VCR as well and available
budget is a limitation, unfortunately.
>
>: Many modern sets now use a digital comb filter, which helps a lot, but
>: that's only the beginning. There is more than one kind of digital comb
>: filter; 2D and 3D are what you hear about the most here (maybe that's all
>: there is - I'm no expert on comb filters). Even with the 2D there is some
>: dot crawl, but much less than with an analog comb filter.
Well, you've just introduced a new wrinkle here. I was under the impression
that there were analog comb filters (glass) and digital comb filters. Where am
I failing in the understanding of this concept? Which type (2D or 3D) is found
at the $1000 (USD) mark?
>: You might consider the Panasonic CT-31SF23 model, a
>: 31" size very similar to mine, that can usually be had for not much more
>: than $1000(USD).
I've seen this set for around $1300 which is more than I can afford.
Furthermore, I didn't care for the way the edges of the display curled in.
Another question. How's is the quality and customer service from Toshiba,
Panasonic, and Mitsubishi?
Arun K. Subramanya
In article <5prhav$b...@drn.zippo.com>, <ra...@unlimited.net> wrote:
>Well, you've just introduced a new wrinkle here. I was under the impression
>that there were analog comb filters (glass) and digital comb filters. Where am
>I failing in the understanding of this concept? Which type (2D or 3D) is found
Please check out excellent articles on this subject at www.cybertheater.com
>at the $1000 (USD) mark?
Most definitely 2D filters. I think the only direct view set with the
3D type is the Sony XBR100, but I'm not too sure. Heck you can buy
the best existing SVHS VCR with a tuner (AG-1980) that does have the
3D filter, and one of the better TVs with 2D filters and still be
within the price range of the XBR100!
>>: You might consider the Panasonic CT-31SF23 model, a
>>: 31" size very similar to mine, that can usually be had for not much more
>>: than $1000(USD).
>
>I've seen this set for around $1300 which is more than I can afford.
>Furthermore, I didn't care for the way the edges of the display curled in.
Could you kindly describe this problem, since I too am considering a
Panasonic superflat TV.
Thanks,
Arun
Michael D. Porter
> I've seen this set for around $1300 which is more than I can afford.
> Furthermore, I didn't care for the way the edges of the display curled in.
>
> Another question. How's is the quality and customer service from Toshiba,
> Panasonic, and Mitsubishi?
I own a Mits CS-32507, and would not purchase another mitsubishi product.
The Panasonic sets do look very nice, and they supposedly have accurate
color decoders.
--Mike
Paul W. Henne
nojunk@mdporter (nojunk@mdporter) wrote:
>In article <5prhav$b...@drn.zippo.com>, ra...@unlimited.net wrote:
>
>
>> I've seen this set for around $1300 which is more than I can afford.
>> Furthermore, I didn't care for the way the edges of the display curled in.
I thought I saw someone here report a 31" Panasonic GAOO for about $1100
(probaby on special and via mail order), but I could very well be mistaken.
I also wonder what the display curling is..? I don't notice anything that
could be described as curling on my 27" set.
Also, just this weekend one of my friends remarked at how he could see all
of the picture, easily, even at extreme angles from front and center. He
said normally if he sits too far to the side he ends up seeing very little
of the picture, but not on my set. I hadn't really noticed before, but now
that he mentioned it he is right. Another feature of the flat tube I
guess?
>> Another question. How's is the quality and customer service from Toshiba,
>> Panasonic, and Mitsubishi?
>
>I own a Mits CS-32507, and would not purchase another mitsubishi product.
>The Panasonic sets do look very nice, and they supposedly have accurate
>color decoders.
Not accurate from the factory, but they can be adjusted to be very
accurate. A big advantage over most others, which provide for very little,
if any adjustments at all (usually only board-level mods). To me, the
ability to adjust color decoders is a significant plus. Unless you don't
mind your reds being slightly orange (I do - if reds are not red, things
like blood just don't look quite right). See http://www.tru-line.com under
the FAQ section for a much more involved discussion of color (chroma)
decoder accuracy, and why the factory settings just don't cut it.
Robert McJimsey
> Most definitely 2D filters. I think the only direct view set with the
> 3D type is the Sony XBR100, but I'm not too sure. Heck you can buy
> the best existing SVHS VCR with a tuner (AG-1980) that does have the
> 3D filter, and one of the better TVs with 2D filters and still be
> within the price range of the XBR100!
The 1980 does NOT have a 3-D comb in it.
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In article <01bc8bda$ff6d0f00$0100007f@toshiba>,
Robert McJimsey <McJi...@Tru-line.com> wrote:
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>The 1980 does NOT have a 3-D comb in it.
It most definitely DOES! Could you kindly elaborate as to why you
think otherwise? Have you had a chance to hook it up to the 32XBR100
and do a comparison? Even assuming that my eyes are deceiving me,
every possible review of the machine I have read and tests by Videomaker
and Video cannot be wrong!
Regards,
Arun
Paul W. Henne
I must agree with Arun. I have seen many undisputed (until now) posts here
stating the AG-1980 has a 3-D comb, and the Panasonic Web site specifically
states:
o 3-D Y/C separation
Is it possible you were thinking of a different model..?
Paul
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