Sony Camcorders: DCR-PC1, PC-3, PC-10
newtothegame
Which is better - price for performance wise.
Does Canon, JVC and Panasonic have camcorders that rival these 3 Sony
products?
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Bill Davis
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A) Each has a different price point and a different feature set. All of
that information is easily obtained on Sony's web site.
B) the one you have in your hands when something interesting happens that
you want to videotape.
C) Yes.
I don't mean to be abrupt, but answering 1 and 3 requires that you do
research - someone else may feel like doing that for you, but it's kind of
like school - you learn best if you do your own work.
As to B. It's a matter of opinion. And a matter of what YOU need. I might
REQUIRE manual focus, you might never use it. See the problem?
Honestly, if you're looking for assistance, it's always better to study a
bit first, then you can ask questions that the folks here can respond to
with MEANINGFUL answers.
Good Luck.
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Dave!
>
> A) Each has a different price point and a different feature set. All of
> that information is easily obtained on Sony's web site.
No, actually, it's not. Info on the PC1 and the PC10 are easy to find,
but there's not any info on the PC3 on Sony's site. At least not that
I could easily find. And since I'm debating whether or not to buy a PC1
now or wait for the PC3, it's a legit question.
> I don't mean to be abrupt, but answering 1 and 3 requires that you do
> research - someone else may feel like doing that for you, but it's kind of
> like school - you learn best if you do your own work.
And if you're own work doesn't turn up anything, it's OK to ask for
help... gosh Bill, ease up on the guy. :)
Seriously though, has anyone seen any *reliable* specs from *Sony*
on the PC3?
-Dave!
Andy
The bigger the better (for light requirements) generally but the problem
arises with the small size camera where you have to use the smaller one.
They all have similar resolution just the size is different. The pc-1/3 are
similar size to one another. pc-3 has still via memory stick option but
this is a moot point in my oppinion becuase 1) it doesn't use progressive
scan therefore you get a jagged image and 2) if you have an editing card,
you can simply grab the image from tape. I was looking into the pc100 for
it's megapixel photos but I determined that to be an extra feature that
wasn't worth the added cost (35 mm and a scanner are better and cheaper,
just not as convenient).
Look into Canon with their elura. Slightly larger than the pc-1/3 cams but
loaded with features! AV i/o with rca and svhs connectors (pc3 has this
too). optical stabilization (sony' are digital) is better and it provides
the progressive scan option that the sony's lack. This allows you to take
as many stills as you want from video via firewire card and they don't have
the problem of showing jagged edges. The elura from onecall.com is $1260
shipped (bought mine yesterday) and is a better value than Sony IMO. The
elura has the ability to do manual control which is another nice feature (I
don't know what the ony's have with respect to this.
Hope this helps,
Andy
newtothegame <hf...@email.com> wrote in message
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Bill Davis
> Bill Davis wrote:
> >
> > A) Each has a different price point and a different feature set. All of
> > that information is easily obtained on Sony's web site.
>
> No, actually, it's not. Info on the PC1 and the PC10 are easy to find,
> but there's not any info on the PC3 on Sony's site. At least not that
> I could easily find. And since I'm debating whether or not to buy a PC1
> now or wait for the PC3, it's a legit question.
Okay, Dave. Point taken. I've never heard of the PC3 and haven't spent
more than 30 seconds reading up on the PC1 and PC10 since I don't use that
type of camcorder.
However, I've seen so many "tell me what's the best ___ " posts lately
that I'm getting kind of tired of them.
Who knows what's best? Following the general discussion will generally
tell lurkers what works best amoung the typical models, but it will also
clearly demonstrate that no matter how respected a model is, a few folks
will get lemons and yell about them here. And what exactly do we learn
from that?
> > I don't mean to be abrupt, but answering 1 and 3 requires that you do
> > research - someone else may feel like doing that for you, but it's kind of
> > like school - you learn best if you do your own work.
>
> And if you're own work doesn't turn up anything, it's OK to ask for
> help... gosh Bill, ease up on the guy. :)
No argument here. But why does everyone want "guesses" about stuff that's
not been released yet? WHY THIS EQUIPMENT OBSESSION! Here's a flash - in a
year, it'll ALL be "old technology." Even if it still works great. The
ONLY way to hit a moving target is to move with it. For my money, that
means buy NOW, start learning NOW, then move up as soon as you can afford
it.
Everyone seems to be holding their breath waiting for what's NEXT rather
than buying and using what's HERE. It's seems NUTS to me in the face of
the FACT that a one month delay in purchasing means you're putting
yourself a month BEHIND your competitors.
Any modern camera will take great pictures. Any camera also can easily
make you enough money to buy the next model, once you learn how to make
"sale-able" videos.
Cameras (with rare exceptions at the top of the food chain) have about a 1
year model life span. Assuming $1-2,000 in investment and a 50% profit
margin, that means your camera will take you a maximum of eight small $500
jobs to repay. If you're a hobbyist, that may be significant, but if
you're trying to actually make money with your gear, that's NOT a big
deal.
All I'm suggesting is that whatever camera you wait a couple of months to
buy will put you a couple of months BEHIND everyone who didn't obsess on
the model and went out and started making videos and building client
relationships with whatever unit(s) they settled on.
My advice - take whatever money you can budget, go out and buy the camera
closest to that dollar figure TODAY and start making videos. Then everyone
who waits until tomorrow will be BEHIND YOU in the experience line. Which
is the ONLY line that really counts when it comes to making money with a
video camera.
I suppose all of this has NOTHING to do with what the original poster
wanted to know... oh well, it makes me feel better just to publicly say
it.
End of rant.
Happy holidays everyone.
News Chang
with this Second Generation DV Camera
DCR-PC3 DIGITAL VIDEO CASSETTE CAMCORDER
* SONY'S SMALLEST DV CAMERA
* CARL ZEISS ® LENS (VARIO-SONNAR) WITH 10X OPTICAL
* 2.5" SWIVELSCREENT PRECISION COLOR LCD (180K PIXELS)
* PRECISION COLOR VIEWFINDER (180K PIXELS)
* 1/4" CCD WITH 680K PIXELS
* SUPER STEADYSHOT ® IMAGE STABILIZATION
* I.LINK DV INTERFACE (IEEE 1394)
* PHOTO MODE
* 12 BIT OR 16 BIT PCM STEREO WITH AUDIO DUB @ 12 Bit
* 7 MODE PROGRAM AUTO EXPOSURE
* LP MODE FOR UP TO 120 MINUTE RECORDING (Pana 80Y)
* SMALL, LIGHTER INFOLITHIUM ® BATTERY (ACCUPOWER)
* INDEX TITLER
* 14 PICTURE EFFECTS (6 DIGITAL)
* 5 MODE A/V FADER
* MAGNESIUM ALLOY BODY
* EDIT SEARCH
* PAL PLAYBACK ON NTSC
DCR-PC3 FEATURES
Audio/Video Performance
* SONY'S SMALLEST DV CAMCORDER to date. This unique, ultra-compact
design is approximately 27% smaller than the DCR-PC10. Despite the small
size,
this camera is feature packed and provides excellent picture quality.
* DIGITAL VIDEO RECORDING: 1/4" 680k pixel CCD imager designed specifically
for DV picture quality.
* CARL ZEISS LENS: Professional quality, precision lens system provides
unparalleled
detail and clarity.
* 10X OPTICAL ZOOM/120X DIGITAL brings the action up close from far away.
* PCM DIGITAL STEREO AUDIO WITH AUDIO DUB: Capable of recording 12 bit
or 16 bit digital stereo audio. Audio dub allows you to add an additional 12
bit stereo track
to your original recording(with optional RK-G128)
* LP RECORDING: Allows recording 120 minutes of mini DV on a 80 min DV tape
* SUPER STEADYSHOTT PICTURE STABILIZATION: image stabilization system
that uses motion sensors that compensate for camera "shake" without
compromising picture
quality. Super SteadyShot will also eliminate high frequency vibration for
smooth video.
* 7 MODE PROGRAM AE: Soft Portrait, Beach & Ski, Sports Lesson, Landscape,
Spotlight,
Sunset & Moon, and Low Light. Allows for exposure and image quality in a
variety of situations.
* 5 LUX MINIMUM ILLUMINATION
* MANUAL FOCUS RING: Allows added control of focus.
* MANUAL EXPOSURE CONTROL: Allows variable exposure control
Convenience
* 2 1/2" SWIVELSCREEN LCD: Active Matrix LCD provides brilliant images and
you can
swivel the screen angle, up to 270°, even adjust it to the popular 'mirror'
mode. This LCD has
anti-glare and anti-fingerprint treatments that will help to eliminate
smudges & offer easier cleaning.
* PRECISION COLOR VIEWFINDER: with 180k pixels provides excellent viewing
clarity.
* INFOLITHIUM BATTERY SYSTEM WITH ACCUPOWER: Sony's smallest Lithium Ion
battery to date will show you the remaining battery power in minutes in the
LCD or the viewfinder.
with BUILT-IN SPEAKER WITH VOLUME CONTROL
Special Features
* DIGITAL PICTURE EFFECTS: New digital picture effects allow you to get
creative.
* PHOTO MODE: You can store 700 individual still photos with audio on a 60
mintape in LP.
* DIGITAL AUDIO/VIDEO FADER: Select from 5 different fader modes to
transition from
scene to scene: Black, Mosaic, Overlap, Bounce, and Monotone.
Editing:
* I.LINKT DV INTERFACE (IEEE 1394): The i.LINK interface allows for direct
digital
communication between your camcorder and your PC with optional DV Capture
card(s).
* INDEX TITLER: Custom titles (22 characters), 8 pre-set titles, 2 sizes, 9
positions using 4k
CM found in select Sony Mini DV cassettes, lets you add or change titles at
any time.
* DROP FRAME TIME CODE: for frame accurate editing
* CONTROL L(LANC): connects Sony VCR's and editing controlling for accurate
editing
* CRYSTAL CLEAR STILL/SLOW MOTION PLAYBACK
* EDIT SEARCH review the last several seconds of video without leaving the
camera mode.
* 16:9 WIDE MODE (FULL): Allows recording & playback in a 'widescreen'
aspect ratio.
SPECIFICATIONS
IMAGING DEVICE: 1/4" Color CCD 680k Pixels
LENS: 10x variable (1.45-22.5 sec. zoom lens) f(focal distance)=3.33-33mm
F=1.7-
2.22 f(35mm conversion)=42-420mm
FILTER DIAMETER: 30mm
FOCUSING: Full range inner focus-auto with manual focus ring
MINIMUM ILLUMINATION: 5 Lux
SHUTTER SPEED: 1/60-1/4000
VIEWFINDER: Precision color 180k pixels
ACCESSORY SHOE: Yes (cold)
VIDEO/AUDIO RECORDING SYSTEM: Helical scan system
AUDIO RECORDING: PCM audio 12 or 16 bit
DV IN/OUT (I.LINK-IEEE1394): Yes
AUDIO/VIDEO OUTPUTS: Yes (special)
AUDIO/VIDEO INPUTS: Yes (special) ????
S-VIDEO OUT: Yes
EXTERNAL MIC INPUT: Yes (stereo plug-in power)
HEADPHONE JACK: yes (stereo)
CONTROL L (LANC): yes
WHITE BALANCE: Auto
EXPOSURE: Auto
POWER CONSUMPTION (VIEWFINDER/LCD): 3.2W/4.5W
DIMENSIONS (WHD): 2" x 4 2 Ú3 " x 3 2 Ú3 "
SUPPLIED ACCESSORIES: AC Adaptor, NP-F10, Remote (RMT808),
Stereo A/V Mini,
Lens Cap, Lithium (clock-installed), AA Battery x 2
The DCR-PC3 is expected to be available in late April 2000 for $1899 MSRP.
Max
Am I missing something?? Are these products really available in the US??
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"Dave!" <dgul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bill Davis wrote:
> >
> > A) Each has a different price point and a different feature set.
All of
> > that information is easily obtained on Sony's web site.
>
> No, actually, it's not. Info on the PC1 and the PC10 are easy to
find,
> but there's not any info on the PC3 on Sony's site. At least not that
> I could easily find. And since I'm debating whether or not to buy a
PC1
> now or wait for the PC3, it's a legit question.
>
The PC2 and PC3 have been available in Europe for a few months and info
can be found at Sony's European site (try www.sony.de, but it's in
German, maybe sony.uk?). In short: the PC2 is equivalent to the PC1
with better lowlight capabilities and an horrible touch screen menu
concept. The PC3 adds the memory stick.
I posted a review at http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/ some time ago.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Max
By the way, I saw your review on the 100. It was very good!
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"Max" <max...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> And how does the PC-100 stack up against the PC3?
>
> By the way, I saw your review on the 100. It was very good!
>
>
Have you? I thought I was clear in the review that the PC-3 and PC-2
give the same results and that the PC-100 video is much similar to
either one. ;-)
John Glantz
http://www.sony.co.jp/sd/ProductsPark/Consumer/Tourist/DCR-PC3/index.html
John Glantz
GLANTZ TRACKS Productions
Max wrote in message <821rps$hqa$1...@nntp1.atl.mindspring.net>...
Mr Explosion
> A) Each has a different price point and a different feature set. All of
> that information is easily obtained on Sony's web site.
In all fairness, Sony's web site sucks. The navigation is almost entirely
through graphics. One page on the way to the camcorder information has something
like 35 different graphics that have to download before you can see all the menu
choices. Since they don't also have text links, you can't just bypass the
graphics. Also, their server can be very slow sometimes. Yesterday, when I was
trying to show a coworker some information on dv camcorders, we spent half an
hour before we gave up, and still didn't have the info we were trying to get.
Sony could definately learn a lesson from Canon's web site, which is fast and
easy to navigate. It also gives much more detailed specs and information on each
product.
Just my two cents.
nos...@altavista.net
Andy a écrit :
> pc-10 =1/3" ccd where as the other two are 1/4".
PC-10 was also featuring a dichroic prism to separate the 3 primary colors,
similar (?) to 3-CCD cameras.
Since PC-10 was a 1-CCD camera, I wonder how that was used to (allegedly)
improve picture quality? Was the CCD of the camera divided into 3 separate areas
(RGB) instead of the standard pixel-color arrangement typical of 1-CCD cameras?
he...@my-deja.com
looking to buy a new pc for editing.
recommendations --- mac/windows? v-ram?
firewire? thanks!
Dean Sensui
about it that gave it favorable reviews. Simple system that works nicely.
DV cameras plug directly into the firewire port on the side. Total
package, complete with software, runs about $1500 I think.
Dean.