CFV: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated moderated
David Bostwick
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
Newsgroups line:
rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Direct broadcast satellite discussion. (Moderated)
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1996.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Scott Anguish <sang...@digifix.com>
Votetaker: David Bostwick <david.b...@chemistry.gatech.edu>
RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
The group rec.video.satellite.dbs has been growing steadily with
growing popularity of Direct Broadcast Satellite. Daily traffic
flow now often tops 100 postings making it difficult to
maintain technical discussions, and a burden on the users who
receive the group via the gated mailing list.
The existing rec.video.satellite.dbs group has become difficult to
navigate due to a high-incidence of intrusive commercial advertising,
the resulting flames, and anonymous, abusive posts and trolls. By
augmenting the existing group with the proposed moderated group it
will be possible to again hold technical discussions.
The group has also been subject to a high incidence of commercial
advertising by satellite dealers, some posting as many as 3 or more
copies of their ads each day, forged 'testimonials' and anonymous
referrals. It is this traffic, along with the arguments and abuse
that is generated by the response to these posts that has spurred
this reorganization.
The group would be moderated to ensure that the postings are kept
on charter, and would allow for discussion without harassment.
CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
The goal of this group is to allow discussion of DBS technology
and services without the current level of abuse and off charter noise
that the existing rec.video.satellite.dbs newsgroup is home to.
Advertising of products and promotions would be allowed on a limited
frequency basis, and with proper identification as advertising.
Making this group moderated would ensure that that the group will
be kept spam and abuse free.
- Commercial ads would be limited to a frequency of one post per
company over a two week period
- Commercial ads would properly identified, and have Followup set
to Poster.
- Anonymous posting would be prohibited
- Crossposting to other newsgroups would be prohibited.
- Binary postings of any kind are prohibited.
Moderation Policy
The philosophy of moderation is to be light-handed and to offer
extra help behind the scenes for new participants, who may be
experiencing problems with e-mail addresses or net customs or the
like.
Upon their initial group submission, each user will be sent a copy
of the groups charter, and a mini FAQ containing pointers to
additional information. Assistance will be offered privately, in
response to first time posts which, judging from past experience,
are likely to be objected to by at least some other participants
(e.g. personal attacks, questions fully covered in a FAQ file,
items which were intended to be personal e-mail; incomplete questions;
etc).
The Charter and mini FAQ will be posted to the group weekly.
Rejected posts would be available via FTP/WWW and pointers to that
location would be included in each newsgroup with its weekly charter
posting.
A three member moderation panel will be available for those who
feel their posts have been incorrectly rejected. The moderation
panel would become involved ONLY in the case where the rejection
of a post is disputed. Currently we have the following volunteers
for the initial panel
- Mike Knight <mikn...@wabash.net>
- Mike Kunda <ku...@execpc.com>
- Charles E. "Rick" Taylor, IV <cha...@hubcap.clemson.edu>
It is expected that the majority of the moderation duties can be
accomplished through auto-moderation.
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
Moderator: sang...@digifix.com (Scott Anguish)
Administrative contact address: dbs-modera...@digifix.com
Article submission address: dbs-mo...@digifix.com
END MODERATOR INFO.
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David Bostwick
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
Moderation Policy
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MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
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rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Bounce List - No need to revote
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an...@rocky.tntn.gtegsc.com Andrew Busa
b...@outbacksat.com Robert Eaton
o...@apollo.bv.net John Thiers
David Bostwick
School of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Georgia Institute of Technology
Atlanta, GA 30332-0400
Voice: (404) 894-4061 FAX: (404) 894-7452
david.b...@chemistry.gatech.edu
David Bostwick
RESULT
moderated group rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated fails 114:28
There were 114 YES votes and 28 NO votes, for a total of 142 valid votes.
There were 2 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may
not be voted on again for six months.
Newsgroups line:
rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Direct broadcast satellite discussion. (Moderated)
The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 18 Dec 1996.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about
RATIONALE: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
CHARTER: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
Moderation Policy
END CHARTER.
MODERATOR INFO: rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated
END MODERATOR INFO.
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rec.video.satellite.dbs.moderated Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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add...@cc.tacom.army.mil Jeff Addis
al...@kay-elec.com Alan Aldredge
an...@rocky.tntn.gtegsc.com Andrew Busa
ari...@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva
asm...@hpb11079.boi.hp.com Adam Smith
August....@etc.mn.pubnix.net August Abolins
ba...@rockdal.aud.alcatel.com David E. Bath
bke...@odo.elan.af.mil Cedric Brent Kelly
b...@outbacksat.com Robert Eaton
bon...@edcsgw4.cr.usgs.gov Wayne C. Boncyk
Broc...@worldnet.att.net B. Hennen
bruce_m...@sr.hp.com Bruce McPherran
cbb...@tcac.com Clifford B. Brown III
cha...@hubcap.clemson.edu Charles E. Taylor, IV
chin...@gate.net Douglas Chinault
Chu...@ix.netcom.com Chuck Kohlenberg
cu...@CNSI.COM Curt Lindner
cwe...@basinlink.com Charles Wells
dani...@istar.ca Daniel Sabourin
dan...@sky.net Danny Porter
d...@ix.netcom.com Don Root
d...@4u.net Don Currie
do...@ft-b.isc-br.com Doug Hockin
dsm...@sprynet.com Dave Smart
dy...@mailzone.com Dylan Ginsburg
fmcg...@michiana.org Patricia McGuire
fox...@qtm.net Roland W. Fox
gar...@ibm.net Gareth Jones
ge...@panix.com Andy Finkenstadt
gr...@grady.mv.com Dick Grady
gro...@denali.cc.uky.edu Jerry Grooms
gu...@lanart.com Guy A. Wadsworth
hal...@luna.icons.net Basil R. Halhed
hof...@pitt.edu Michael W J Hordijk
holl...@brightok.net Lance Hollister
j...@levin.mv.com Joel B. Levin
j...@rahul.net John David Galt
jke...@his.com Jeff Keene
joe_b...@hp.com Joe Brooks
jos...@purestuff.com Joshua M. Burgin
jpb...@internetwis.com john paul bauer
j...@drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark
jsha...@csrlink.net Jim Shaffer, Jr.
jul...@fwb.gulf.net Jules DUbois
k...@yensid.ICS.UCI.EDU Kathryn Fielding
k...@hpctl52.cup.hp.com Kevin D. Ball
ki...@netcom.com Kim DeVaughn
kim...@sol.utu.fi Kimmo Ketolainen +358 40 555 5508
Kjcot...@aol.com Kenny Cottrell
krdr...@mindspring.com Keith Drabik
ku...@execpc.com Mike Kunda
lesp...@gs.net Louis E. Sparks Jr.
lob...@huitzilo.tezcat.com Orin A. Day
mar...@ibm.net Marshall Williams
mar...@netins.net Perry Martin
m...@teleport.com Mike Northam
mfe...@funb.com Michael Feinstein
m...@netins.net Mark Frank Stevenson
mgr...@mail.state.mo.us Mike Gray
mg...@micro.ti.com Mike Guenther
mhwe...@CCGATE.HAC.COM Mason Wexler
mikn...@aol.com Mike Knight
milton.m...@lerc.nasa.gov Milton Moskowitz
mil...@arraytech.com Milton Scritsmier
m...@fast.net Michael Weber
mnas...@onr.com Mike Nassour
mrd...@earthlink.net David P. Robinson
mtp...@isca.uiowa.edu Michael Pins
musi...@accesscom.com DUANE AMADO
m...@proteon.com Matthew L. Martin
na...@mips.pfalz.de Christian Weisgerber
n...@nataa.fr.eu.org MAKAREVITCH Nat
ni...@cimio.co.uk Nick Waterman
o...@apollo.bv.net John Thiers
ollivie...@eurocontrol.fr Ollivier Robert
oo...@cyberg8t.com William H. Oost
p...@extensys.com P D McLellan
pre...@gsc.NRCan.gc.ca Andre Pregent
PSch...@Viaduct.Custom.Net Paul L. Schmidt
RAlex...@aol.com Robert Alexander
Randel...@scala.com Randell Jesup
ri...@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller
rkin...@sprynet.com Richard King
rki...@umbc.edu Robert Kirk
rob...@nmia.com Robert Smathers
Robert_...@ccm.jf.intel.com Robert A. Dunstan
robl...@erinet.com Jay Friedman
ro...@socketis.net Ronald W. Bower
ronnie...@mogur.com Ronnie Grant
ro...@fast.net Rory Orkin
roumb...@am.dow.on.doe.ca Dan Roumbanis
RReed...@aol.com Richard Reed
RR...@cerner.com Rodney Rein
r...@ham.island.net Robert Smits
rx...@servtech.com John Abeel
Ryan_...@netscape.ttgcitn.com Ryan Tucker
sang...@digifix.com Scott Anguish
SClev...@worldnet.att.net Steve Cleverley
Se...@frii.com Sean Stuart
shep...@ix.netcom.com Robert L. Shepherd
sin...@ibm.net John Sinnott
sla...@nac.net Kath Slawson
sta...@stamper.com Chris Stamper
su...@execpc.com Thomas Suzda
tcla...@umich.edu Timothy Claborn
terry.si...@octopus.pgh.wec.com terry signorella
thom...@pacbell.net Tom Morse
tla...@asu.edu Todd C. Lawson
to...@wt.net Tony Storz
ur...@fsl.noaa.gov Arthur Urban
Val...@reddog.modem.xmission.com Val Marti
van...@mindspring.com Garry C. VanPool
wo...@graywolf.tamu.edu Dave Duchscher
z...@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming
Voted No
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aq...@freenet.carleton.ca Ross Anderson
augu...@sprintmail.com Jay Breuer
bo...@datasync.com Martin H. Booda
btr...@primenet.com Brian Trosko
drev...@cherokee.nsuok.edu Charles Dreveskracht
ho...@ridgecrest.ca.us Scot Homer
Howard....@t130.aone.net.au Howard Brandis
jhen...@honlab.nmfs.hawaii.edu John Henderson :
jim...@ix.netcom.com Jim O'Connell
jlow...@pwa.acusd.edu John Lowther
j...@idiom.com Michael Craft
lo...@erols.com GEORGE E. LOWKE
l...@pobox.com Lance Kibblewhite
mar...@pacbell.net Aaron Marquez
mcdo...@smtp.gc.ca Gary K. McDonald
MrGig...@aol.com Jeff Bach
mso...@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57
ni...@inferno.fc.hp.com Nick Ingegneri
ol...@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar
pa...@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
r...@wwa.com Richard H. Derr III
sh...@nyx.net Shrisha Rao
sl...@ix.netcom.com Mike Johansen
sout...@netcom.com Shawn McCullar
stai...@bga.com Dwight Brown
suga...@world.std.com Steven Garman
sw...@boco.co.gov Shane Castle
webm...@keyone.com Carol Scheible
Votes in error
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Drui...@aol.com
! No ballot
ro...@indo.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus
! Invalid addressDavid Bostwick