Betacam SP vs 1" Type-C
Raphael Rosenthal
Hello!
Wich is better: Betacam SP or 1" Type-C?
A friend of mine told me that 1" is *much* better for multi-generation
editing (multi-layer). Is this correct?
1" has more life time than Beta?
Raphael Rosenthal
raphael....@bbs.centroin.com.br
Larry Jandro
In article <32cd6d41...@news.centroin.com.br>, raphael....@bbs.centroin.com.br (Raphael Rosenthal) wrote:
>Hello!
>
>Wich is better: Betacam SP or 1" Type-C?
>
>A friend of mine told me that 1" is *much* better for multi-generation
>editing (multi-layer). Is this correct?
If you're careful, yes. Type-C has better SNR and full bandwidth chroma.
However, if you're doing chromakey or other effects which require decoding,
Betacam might be a better choice.
>1" has more life time than Beta?
Explain "more life"...
Larry Jandro, [edit header to reply via e-mail]
* LJ Video Engineering * Mountain home for sale *
* near San Francisco * near San Diego, CA *
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KSettle551
1" will look better than SP (to anal retentive video pixle counters like
me) but I suggest you check into repair and parts costs for the 1"
format.Sp will probably become much better looking after you do your
research.
Larry
Raphael Rosenthal
Hello! I received no answer in more than one month. I am posting this
again, can anyone help me?
Wich is better: Betacam SP or 1" Type-C?
A friend of mine told me that 1" is *much* better for multi-generation
editing (multi-layer). Is this correct?
1" has more life time than Beta?
Raphael Rosenthal
raphael....@bbs.centroin.com.br
Robert Moore
Raphael Rosenthal wrote:
>
> Hello! I received no answer in more than one month. I am posting this
> again, can anyone help me?
>
> Wich is better: Betacam SP or 1" Type-C?
Generally speaking, 1" has better resolution than BetaSP.
> A friend of mine told me that 1" is *much* better for multi-generation
> editing (multi-layer). Is this correct?
Probably true, but D1, D2, and Digital Betacam are the champs when it
comes to Multi generation editing
Larry VanHoy
In article <ljvideoE...@netcom.com>,
lar...@ljvideo.com**REMOVE.THIS.TO.REPLY** (Larry Jandro) wrote:
><USELESS INFO>
>The old IVC-9000, 2-inch helical VTR was the hands-down champ at multiple
>generation recording. It could go 16 generations deep without real
>noticable loss.
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>
>But then reality sets in... The one-inch, type "C" machines have far
>superior SNR and bandwidth when compared to Betacam. Unfortunately, they
>are now considered dinosaurs because of their size, cost, cost of tape,
>maintenance, etc.
>
>Larry Jandro, [edit header to reply via e-mail]
>* LJ Video Engineering *
>* near San Francisco *
>* www.ljvideo.com *
All above is true and if you are interested the prices are unbelievably low
on these "dinosaurs". i have some at http://members.aol.com/bmvideo
larry v.
Steven Bradford
Roy wrote:
>
> Just how expensive is 1" Tape? Where/how available is it? Do these
> "dinosaurs" have "bad" maintenance track records or are they just
> getting hard to service?
Actually the tape isn't that bad, after Beta SP came out, an hour of 1"
was cheaper than an Hour of Beta SP. That may have changed, I haven't
bought any in a while. It depends on packaging. The cardboard boxes were
cheaper.
They have good maintenance records, and the heads last a long time. The
sony 2000 series is very good. They're just large, and the tape is
large, etc. requires a trained operator. 3 machines take up a lot of
space, make a fair amount of noise. I don't think anyone would say they
are hard to service. Actually probably easier, since everything is
larger and more accesible.
--
Steven Bradford
Film / Video cameraman
Seattle
http://www.seanet.com/~bradford/
Roy
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:27:47 GMT, Larry VanHoy <lva...@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
>>>> Wich is better: Betacam SP or 1" Type-C?
>>>
>>>Generally speaking, 1" has better resolution than BetaSP.
>>>
>>But then reality sets in... The one-inch, type "C" machines have far
>>superior SNR and bandwidth when compared to Betacam. Unfortunately, they
>>are now considered dinosaurs because of their size, cost, cost of tape,
>>maintenance, etc.
> All above is true and if you are interested the prices are unbelievably low
>on these "dinosaurs". i have some at http://members.aol.com/bmvideo
Just how expensive is 1" Tape? Where/how available is it? Do these
"dinosaurs" have "bad" maintenance track records or are they just
getting hard to service?
Roy
Daniel L. Conklin
> Just how expensive is 1" Tape? Where/how available is it? Do these
> "dinosaurs" have "bad" maintenance track records or are they just
> getting hard to service?
>
> Roy
Believe it or not, Radio Shack sold 1" tape up until a few years ago.
You can get all the 1" tape you want for free from your local TV station
if they still get commercial spots in that format. Most dub to Beta for
use in their BetaCart players and then discard the 1" stuff.
Rick Schleyer
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Well, I don't know a LOT about the quality of SP vs. 1", but, having used
both in television production and for 'air', I suppose that if if convenience
is a factor, I'd go with Beta-cam, if you have the choice of either machine
and cost isn't a factor, go with 1".
---
* PowerAccess 1.50 COBOL: Completely Obsolete Boring Old Language
Steve Klotz
>This may be true, but 1" spot reels typically contain only a couple of
>minutes worth of tape. Not much use in program production...
A lot of "station" tape suppliers still sell new 1" tape. Call your
local station's Chief Engineer or Production Manager and find out
where they buy their tape (1", Beta SP, D2 or 3/4", not VHS or SVHS or
DV - typically different suppliers!) - get a company name and phone
number and call for a catalog/price list, if you're interested in the
format. Personally, I'd love to get a couple more 1" machines in
house (a major market WB affiliate). We went the Ampex VPR-80 and
VPR-1B (yes, can you believe, we're still runnin' 1B's!) route. I'm
still a big fan of 1" (mostly Sony 2000's and 3000's)... but then, I
just bought an ADO 3000. 'guess I'm a dinosaur too... but they're all
running happy - real-time effects - no "rendering", and requirin'
nothing but the regular "oil changes".
-- Steve (Production Manager for a really strange - but major things
happenning soon! -- WB affil!)
MediaPulse
Man of people who hate 1" have Ampex VPR-80s like us.
We now master to Digital Betacam. It is a fight just to keep one VPR-80 up
for dubs.
John Stephens
Media Pulse, Inc.
Patrick W. Soileau (KA5NMN)
have to agree with you re:maintenance...
but for its time, it was da stuff!
Sparkie
Wow, are there really people out there still using 1" C . Do you still have
valve radios as well !!! ( a joke by the way .)
Simon Parke
Patrick W. Soileau (KA5NMN) <psoi...@linknet.net> wrote in article
<32ED7E...@linknet.net>...
VideoFlyer
Still using two Sony 3100s. They have had medium to light use in an
independent prod house. Bought them new in 1988. They have each had one
complete overhaul which WAS expensive, but they have been very reliable
and we are still using them to make money!
Video Flyer
CJ Wilson
inch I worked with a station that had VPR2B's remember THOSE things ?
I had a hard time getting an engineer to even LOOK at them things for
repair. . . but one thing I learnded about those machines. . . Them
things would produce a picture if the heads were wore down to nothing. .
and trust me we used them things too. . .
By the way. . . if anyone out there is getting ready to unload some
VPR-80s in non working order please e-mail me let me know what the
probelm with these machines are, I am interested in trying to fix one up
froma bunch of DOA's if possible . . ..
CJM
Covert Operations
PS I willsend a picture to all who help me to show where all the "Good
parts went" =)
Tom
Having used both, 1" looks better. But the audio on 1" is very poor
even with dolby or other noise reduction scheme. For reliability, Beta
SP is great although head wear is a problem. If you want multi
generation, digi beta is the safe (but expensive) bet for the next few
years.
Tom
rick.s...@mailbox.win.net (Rick Schleyer) wrote:
KStebleton
>>Having used both, 1" looks better. But the audio on 1" is very poor
even with dolby or other noise reduction scheme.<<
Video: 1" has more bandwidth than Beta. Beta uses components, which can
look better than 1", especially chroma after a few generations. Beta is
superior in terms of "chroma crawl", IF you stay COMPONENT. Once you go
encoded, 1" is the winner. If you're hoping to pull a blue screen matte
in post, 1" is the worst. The "pseudo component" of "S-VHS" or "Hi-8"
isn't even close to Beta Component!
Audio: 1" linear audio is far superior to beta linear audio, especially
if the 1" uses Dolby SR. Beta "C" is alright. Beta does support AFM
recording in SP formats. However, most people aren't spending the money
on BVW series gear. The PVW and the awful PVV stuff out there don't
support the better audio channels, and if you're editing to Beta, the
linear channels are your only option!
Kevin Stebleton
Jeff Moon Production Services
KSteb...@aol.com
Jeff York
Tom wrote:
>
> Having used both, 1" looks better. But the audio on 1" is very poor
> SP is great although head wear is a problem. If you want multi
> generation, digi beta is the safe (but expensive) bet for the next few
> years.
> Tom
>
> rick.s...@mailbox.win.net (Rick Schleyer) wrote:
I can't believe that someone actually thinks the picture from 1" (type C
or any other type) is better than Beta SP. I'm assuming, of course,
that we're looking at SP off a BVW deck, not a plastic UVW deck. Even
standard Betacam looks better and has a crisper picture except in high
contrast areas (like titles). When I first put my resume reel together,
I chose 1" over standard Beta just for that reason. Also, over time 1"
holds up better. But over SP? No way. Sorry. Now my reel's on SP. I
couldn't imagine dumping it back down to 1".
Besides, are they even still making 1"?
-Jeff York
Jeff...@SNET.NET
Kevin Thomas
1" has less fixed pattern noise than BetaSP. 1" dropouts are overall less
severe than BSP also. BSP is a more convenient format to edit with though.