.avi files on DVD player
klb...@neo.rr.com
onto a DVD and play it in a standard DVD player. Is this possible?
Please help -- I can't find a straight forward answer anywere and it's
driving me crazy! Thanks a lot.
Larry Johnson
video. AVI is a container for the digital video when captured to the hard
drive. You can use 1394 to capture these digital videos to your hard drive,
but those AVI files must be transcoded to MPEG-2 files before they can be
used by a DVD authoring program to create a playable disc. These MPEG-2
files from your original AVI files are then put through a process in
authoring called "remux and demux". This then creates special files called
VOB and IFO which are read by your DVD player and then shown as video on
your television.
The simplest way for your to record your digital video from the camcorder to
DVD is to purchase a standalone DVD recorder with a 1394 link on it. There
are several models to choose from, and many can be found at Best Buy,
Circuit City, CompUSA, WalMart, Kmart, Target, Sears, Penny's, and just
about any other place selling DVD players and recorders.
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Funprice
Yes it is very much possible. Easiest thing to do is look-up the site
of Pegasys-inc and try there software: very straight forward to begin
with. Good luck.
Kill Bill
Normal DVD players are NOT avi players.. that's why it's called a DVD
player, and not an AVI player.
However, there are hy-brid DVD players arriving on the market every day now.
I just got back from a JVC demonstration of this one:
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL101546
It did play DivX, Xvid, AVI, MPG-1,Mpeg-2, and versions of HD media
files.. Pretty awesome.
Keep in mind that if your planning on distributing your video (or create
a DVD), you'll have to transcode that AVI to Mpeg-2 to make it play on a
regular DVD player
-bill
David McCall
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David
Bob
<david-...@techshop.net> wrote:
>> I just got back from a JVC demonstration of this one:
>> http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL101546
>> It did play DivX, Xvid, AVI, MPG-1,Mpeg-2, and versions of HD media
>> files.. Pretty awesome.
>> Keep in mind that if your planning on distributing your video (or create a
>> DVD), you'll have to transcode that AVI to Mpeg-2 to make it play on a
>> regular DVD player
>Whoa!! Now, that's a really nice DVD player, and only $399 US at list
The ILO DVDR05MU1-6.10, $99 at WalMart, will play XviD AVIs.
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Kill Bill
> On Wed, 31 May 2006 20:39:30 GMT, "David McCall"
> <david-...@techshop.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>I just got back from a JVC demonstration of this one:
>>>http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL101546
>
>
>>>It did play DivX, Xvid, AVI, MPG-1,Mpeg-2, and versions of HD media
>>>files.. Pretty awesome.
>
>
>>>Keep in mind that if your planning on distributing your video (or create a
>>>DVD), you'll have to transcode that AVI to Mpeg-2 to make it play on a
>>>regular DVD player
>
>
>>Whoa!! Now, that's a really nice DVD player, and only $399 US at list
>
>
> The ILO DVDR05MU1-6.10, $99 at WalMart, will play XviD AVIs.
A couple of things to note on this player...
1) It doesn't have an Eithernet jack, so no network play
2) It doesn't have an Optical sound out, just Coxal.
3) It's not DivX certified, so it's iffy if it plays DivX or Xvid.
4) Reviews are mixed, with many reports on the internet about taking
the unit back due to it simply just not operating.
5) This is more of a cheap DVD recorder, and not a format player.
Other than those. good price. Be warned though, most el cheapo players
have lots of complaints of drawer breaking, no playing, lockups, bad
remotes, and a very low lever of usability at best.
This is also a personal opinion, but I most watch DivX files for TV
shows. Whether I missed the show or my VCR didn't record it, getting
DivX files are a gray area.. but the way I look at it is that once it's
broadcast 'on-air', it's free game. Just like a friend recorded a VCR
tape and loaned it too you..
Anyway.. Most of these DivX TV shows I'm only going to be watching ONCE!
If you don't get one that plays over the network, be prepared to be
making endless copies of DivX DVD's that you simply just going to start
stacking up, and never watched again, ending up in the trash..
A network player allows you to watch anything in your library, while not
creating a landfill of DVD's! :)
-bill
David McCall
"Kill Bill" <billc...@NOSPAM88.com> wrote in message
> Bob wrote:
>> The ILO DVDR05MU1-6.10, $99 at WalMart, will play XviD AVIs.
>
>
> A couple of things to note on this player...
>
> 1) It doesn't have an Eithernet jack, so no network play
>
> 2) It doesn't have an Optical sound out, just Coxal.
>
> 3) It's not DivX certified, so it's iffy if it plays DivX or Xvid.
>
> 4) Reviews are mixed, with many reports on the internet about taking the
> unit back due to it simply just not operating.
>
> 5) This is more of a cheap DVD recorder, and not a format player.
>
> Other than those. good price. Be warned though, most el cheapo players
> have lots of complaints of drawer breaking, no playing, lockups, bad
> remotes, and a very low lever of usability at best.
>
>
> This is also a personal opinion, but I most watch DivX files for TV shows.
> Whether I missed the show or my VCR didn't record it, getting DivX files
> are a gray area.. but the way I look at it is that once it's broadcast
> 'on-air', it's free game. Just like a friend recorded a VCR tape and
> loaned it too you..
>
> Anyway.. Most of these DivX TV shows I'm only going to be watching ONCE!
> If you don't get one that plays over the network, be prepared to be making
> endless copies of DivX DVD's that you simply just going to start stacking
> up, and never watched again, ending up in the trash..
>
> A network player allows you to watch anything in your library, while not
> creating a landfill of DVD's! :)
>
> -bill
>
I used to record stuff from time to time, but then one day I realized
that there was a huge pile of VHS tapes that had never been watched,
and probably never will. Once I've seen a movie I rarely have
an interest in seeing it again.
David
Bob
wrote:
>1) It doesn't have an Eithernet jack, so no network play
Jeez, for $99...
>3) It's not DivX certified, so it's iffy if it plays DivX or Xvid.
If you contact Tech Support and ask for the latest firmware, which
should be 6.10, it will support XviD - but not DivX.
>4) Reviews are mixed, with many reports on the internet about taking
>the unit back due to it simply just not operating.
I had to go thru 3 units before I got it right. The final unit was
DVDR05MU1. Also I had to get the latest firmware for both the control
and servo.
I started with the ZU unit which was junk and then went to the MU unit
which was OK but was superceded by the MU1 unit so I upgraded. A lot
of this was ILO's having to switch vendors from the LiteOn (DVDR04)
fiasco. Also it was around Christmas.
Hey, if you want a cheap DVDR that plays XviDs then try it and if you
don't like it, WM gives you 90 days eval.
>5) This is more of a cheap DVD recorder, and not a format player.
Yes. It is the same as the Cyberhome 1600.
>Other than those. good price. Be warned though, most el cheapo players
>have lots of complaints of drawer breaking, no playing, lockups, bad
>remotes, and a very low lever of usability at best.
>This is also a personal opinion, but I most watch DivX files for TV
>shows. Whether I missed the show or my VCR didn't record it, getting
>DivX files are a gray area.. but the way I look at it is that once it's
>broadcast 'on-air', it's free game. Just like a friend recorded a VCR
>tape and loaned it too you..
>Anyway.. Most of these DivX TV shows I'm only going to be watching ONCE!
> If you don't get one that plays over the network, be prepared to be
>making endless copies of DivX DVD's that you simply just going to start
>stacking up, and never watched again, ending up in the trash..
>A network player allows you to watch anything in your library, while not
>creating a landfill of DVD's! :)
>
>-bill
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My first negative reaction is the limited bit rates supported in any
mode from all file types. I already encode xvid at over 2 mbps and
while my MPEG2 captures are at 12 mbps other capture devices are
supporting 15 mbps right now. This product has no future!
Kill Bill
> I had to go thru 3 units before I got it right. The final unit was
> DVDR05MU1. Also I had to get the latest firmware for both the control
> and servo.
>
> I started with the ZU unit which was junk and then went to the MU unit
> which was OK but was superceded by the MU1 unit so I upgraded. A lot
> of this was ILO's having to switch vendors from the LiteOn (DVDR04)
> fiasco. Also it was around Christmas.
>
> Hey, if you want a cheap DVDR that plays XviDs then try it and if you
> don't like it, WM gives you 90 days eval.
Perhaps you don't value your time, but I buy the best, and only cry once!
My luck.. right after the warrantee runs out, some little small plastic
piece will break off, totaling the player. No thanks. Stay away from
the crap!
-bill
Kill Bill
>
> My first negative reaction is the limited bit rates supported in any
> mode from all file types. I already encode xvid at over 2 mbps and
> while my MPEG2 captures are at 12 mbps other capture devices are
> supporting 15 mbps right now. This product has no future!
9.8 mbps is the maximum mpeg2 bitrate for the dvd spec. Interesting how
your coding outside the norms, and then declare something obsolete
because your doing something that no one else is doing.
-bill
Bill's News
Your failure to have read the spec sheet and/or understand that I
don't produce DVDs but that I do play MPEG2/MP2 (in MPEGISO files
and/or files significantly larger than 8 gig) and XVID/MP3 (in AVI
files) on other stand-alones and via the PC at higher bit rates than
this device
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL101546,
about which I was commenting, supports is even more interesting? ;-0)
There are many machines which support encoding and playback way beyond
what you consider to be the norm of 10 years ago - get current! DVD
is OK, but there are other ways to handle video - as the subject line
queried.
Of particular concern in the spec I referenced is the very low
xvid/divx rate. and lack of support for any x264 - this product has no
future!
Bob
wrote:
>Perhaps you don't value your time, but I buy the best, and only cry once!
Here's the dilemna I found myself in when I finally decided to get a
DVDR last year. The first problem was that alternatives to the ILO
cost in the $300 range and yet they offered nothing more than the ILO.
But the real problem was that the reviews were horrible.
Yes I did have to spend some time exchanging the ILOs - but I am
retired so I have lots of time. But at least I did not have to
exchange $300 units.
If something doesn't come along that I want by the Christmas season,
then I am going to make my own PVR and tell the DVDR industry to shove
their crap. I want two TV recording channels so I can record 2
programs at the same time. Besides a DVD burner I want flash card
disks on IDE for storage except for a very small boot hard disk. I
want CAT5 Ethernet. I want a user-friendly DVDR interface with remote
IR sensor. I want good quality components, both hardware and software.
Is that asking for too much?
Frank
in article <Re: .avi files on DVD player>,
The real purpose of the JVC SRDVD-100U is to support playback of 19.7
Mbps 720p .m2t (MPEG-2 Transport Stream) HDV files, such as produced
by the JVC GY-HD100U HDV camcorder, after they've been burned to a
DVD+/-R or RW disc (30 minutes worth for a single layer disc and 60
minutes worth on a dual layer disc) in data (DVD-ROM) mode.
It was easier and quicker for JVC, once they determined that they
needed to add such a product to their lineup, to contract with I-O
Data to make a modification to one of their existing AVeL Link
products, and to arrange for exclusive U.S. distributorship, than to
develop a player with this capability from scratch on their own.
I do agree that it would be nice if higher DivX and XviD data rates
were supported, as well as MPEG-4, including AVC H.264 video and AAC
audio bitstreams. I suppose that a firmware update could rectify this,
but there's no guarantee that such an update will ever be issued.
--
Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
[Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/
Kill Bill
> Kill Bill wrote:
>
>>Bill's News wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>My first negative reaction is the limited bit rates supported in
>>>any
>>>mode from all file types. I already encode xvid at over 2 mbps and
>>>while my MPEG2 captures are at 12 mbps other capture devices are
>>>supporting 15 mbps right now. This product has no future!
>>
>>9.8 mbps is the maximum mpeg2 bitrate for the dvd spec. Interesting
>>how your coding outside the norms, and then declare something
>>obsolete
>>because your doing something that no one else is doing.
>>
>>-bill
>
>
> Your failure to have read the spec sheet and/or understand that I
> don't produce DVDs but that I do play MPEG2/MP2 (in MPEGISO files
> and/or files significantly larger than 8 gig) and XVID/MP3 (in AVI
> files) on other stand-alones and via the PC at higher bit rates than
> this device
> http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL101546,
> about which I was commenting, supports is even more interesting? ;-0)
So? You produce videos in which no player can play? So what?
> There are many machines which support encoding and playback way beyond
> what you consider to be the norm of 10 years ago - get current! DVD
> is OK, but there are other ways to handle video - as the subject line
> queried.
I guess I missed your point.. other than the fact that your making DVD's
outside the DVD spec??
Are you saying that the DVD video specs that I quoted at 9.8 Mbit/sec
for DVD video are incorrect, and that I should get current??
> Of particular concern in the spec I referenced is the very low
> xvid/divx rate. and lack of support for any x264 - this product has no
> future!
There's a player on the market that plays x264? Please give me a link
(other than a Toshiba HD DVD player).
-bill
Bill's News
<snip>
> I guess I missed your point.. other than the fact that your making
> DVD's outside the DVD spec??
>
No, even my repost said that I do not make DVDs. Which does not mean
that I do not write to DVD media. Since I now play all media from a
PC (with access to over 800 gig of storage) to a 1080p screen, I've
really very little need to create media.
> Are you saying that the DVD video specs that I quoted at 9.8
> Mbit/sec
> for DVD video are incorrect, and that I should get current??
>
>
No, I'm suggesting that the DVD spec is ten years old and that there
are newer and better ways to record and display video, at least one of
which has a much higher bit rate than 9.8 (and all of which allow
higher bit rates than the product critiqued). The sum of my critique
is simply that the device has too many bit rate limitations at present
for other than MPEG2-TS, considering it's intended audience will most
likely have HD displays.
>> Of particular concern in the spec I referenced is the very low
>> xvid/divx rate. and lack of support for any x264 - this product has
>> no future!
>
> There's a player on the market that plays x264? Please give me a
> link
> (other than a Toshiba HD DVD player).
>
I did not mean to imply that there is a player which presently handles
264 in any of its X, H, or other flavors (and I used the x as a
generic) - though many PCs are capable of doing so. Once again,
addressing the future usefulness of a player introduced just recently,
its not addressing 264 is not in the best interest of many potential
users here. Note too that the unit is network capable and even though
addressing a PC which is able to play 264, it is not. The Buffalo
LinkTheater is Divx HD capable, which at present is a 720p
implementation - but at least it's a start!
I've only experimented with x264 and after loading up a codec and
creating a playable file, I'm able to play it on my 1080p from the PC.
It is, of course, not what I'd hope for as my source material was an
MPEG2 capture. Never-the-less, the issue of its creation and
playability without hardware modification to my PC is settled. There
are a few sample files, made from better sources, floating about the
web and these are quite good.
Bill's News
Thanks Frank, this may help clarify for other readers.
> It was easier and quicker for JVC, once they determined that they
> needed to add such a product to their lineup, to contract with I-O
> Data to make a modification to one of their existing AVeL Link
> products, and to arrange for exclusive U.S. distributorship, than to
> develop a player with this capability from scratch on their own.
>
Understood. But one (at least this one) wonders why they bothered to
add relatively useless support in the HD arena. A similar limitation
hampers the very cheap, non-HD, Philips divx player - high bit rates
cause a/v synch problems.
> I do agree that it would be nice if higher DivX and XviD data rates
> were supported, as well as MPEG-4, including AVC H.264 video and AAC
> audio bitstreams. I suppose that a firmware update could rectify
> this,
> but there's no guarantee that such an update will ever be issued.
True! Or even that it can be.
Dave
> Kill Bill wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>I guess I missed your point.. other than the fact that your making
>>DVD's outside the DVD spec??
>>
>
>
> No, even my repost said that I do not make DVDs. Which does not mean
> that I do not write to DVD media. Since I now play all media from a
> PC (with access to over 800 gig of storage) to a 1080p screen, I've
> really very little need to create media.
>
>
>>Are you saying that the DVD video specs that I quoted at 9.8
>>Mbit/sec
>>for DVD video are incorrect, and that I should get current??
>>
>>
>
>
> No, I'm suggesting that the DVD spec is ten years old and that there
> are newer and better ways to record and display video, at least one of
> which has a much higher bit rate than 9.8 (and all of which allow
> higher bit rates than the product critiqued). The sum of my critique
> is simply that the device has too many bit rate limitations at present
> for other than MPEG2-TS, considering it's intended audience will most
> likely have HD displays.
I have to agree with kill on this one, this player doesn't have any
limitations that I can see either. In fact, it appears to stick to some
pretty normal bit rates, or at least those within the specs of what its
meant for.
>>>Of particular concern in the spec I referenced is the very low
>>>xvid/divx rate. and lack of support for any x264 - this product has
>>>no future!
>>
>>There's a player on the market that plays x264? Please give me a
>>link
>>(other than a Toshiba HD DVD player).
>>
>
>
> I did not mean to imply that there is a player which presently handles
> 264 in any of its X, H, or other flavors (and I used the x as a
> generic) - though many PCs are capable of doing so. Once again,
> addressing the future usefulness of a player introduced just recently,
> its not addressing 264 is not in the best interest of many potential
> users here. Note too that the unit is network capable and even though
> addressing a PC which is able to play 264, it is not. The Buffalo
> LinkTheater is Divx HD capable, which at present is a 720p
> implementation - but at least it's a start!
The buffalo player also looks good too. If fact, its very similar to
the JVC one, and the specs are pretty much the same.
> I've only experimented with x264 and after loading up a codec and
> creating a playable file, I'm able to play it on my 1080p from the PC.
> It is, of course, not what I'd hope for as my source material was an
> MPEG2 capture. Never-the-less, the issue of its creation and
> playability without hardware modification to my PC is settled. There
> are a few sample files, made from better sources, floating about the
> web and these are quite good.
-dave
Bill's News
<snip>
> I have to agree with kill on this one, this player doesn't have any
> limitations that I can see either. In fact, it appears to stick to
> some pretty normal bit rates, or at least those within the specs of
> what its meant for.
>
> The buffalo player also looks good too. If fact, its very similar
> to
> the JVC one, and the specs are pretty much the same.
>
Dave, thanks for commenting. While I no longer use the BuffaloLT, it
regularly plays MPEGISO of 12 mbps (the highest rate at which I
capture) and home-made xvid/mp3 at 2.192 mbps, as well as an 8 mbps
Divx sample available on the web (a Mars flyby sim, sorry URL not
saved). I've had other players which could not properly handle even
lower than the least of these rates. The JVC does address the 12 mbps
MPEG2 issue (though only via LAN?), but nothing higher - higher rates
are already offered by some capture devices. Some devices which
perform divx capture/conversions on-the-fly use 4 mbps (Pinnacle is an
example using 15 mbps MPEG2 and 4 mbps Xvid - not that it's a
standard). Snazzi may also use a higher bit-rate than the JVC
limitations but I've not read their specs yet. Hauppauge is
apparently supporting 15 mbps MPEG2 capture in non-US models.
My only points, in replying to Kill Bill, were:
1) I do not encode DVDs - I just burn to the media, therefore the DVD
specs do not pertain to the discussion
2) The near future of encoding in MPEG2 (and its varieties) and MPEG4
(and its varieties) way surpass the specs of the JVC player which we
are addressing.
Therefore, I say it has no future!
I used to encode two pass conversions at the MPEG4 (divx/xvid) rates
supported by the JVC, they do not play well (subjective opinion) on a
1080p monitor, while higher bit-rate conversions do. Since the JVC
seems to be addressing an audience with a desire for higher definition
playback (a la MPEG2-TS), it simply strikes me as disingenuous to
offer limited MPEG2 support and these piddling non-MPEG2 rates.
BTW, as an experiment I ran two 640x480, letterboxed DVD movies thru a
2 pass, de-interlaced, xvid conversion using maximum motion precision,
widest quantizer limitations, and a limited max iFrame interval of 60.
The videos chosen were "Hunt for Red October" and "Crimson Tide." The
target video bit rate was 2 mbps. The image was cropped to its actual
size. These are the same specs I use for some HDTV captures, even
though they are captured via S-Video. There is little or no
perceptible difference in quality between either of these conversions
and a DVD of the same brightness levels when scaled to full image on a
1080p monitor. Most remarkable are the underwater images, as there is
no stair-casing of the water and shadows. I was especially pleased in
that the letter-box DVDs, which the Buffalo handled poorly, could be
discarded! Conversion with these parameters takes a tad more than 6x
play time on a 2gp4-512 single core processor using multiple 7200 rpm
HDDs. The HDTV captures via S-Video, when run thru the same process
certainly rival DVD, though are noticeably less sharp than the
original HDTV. Perhaps skipping the de-interlace is worth a try.
According the JVC's spec sheet, these could not be played on its NEW
player. They do play on a BuffaloLT and a LiteOn 2001. A Philips 642
will play the video but can not maintain audio synch. (for any who
have the P642, pressing the REW key once resynchs the sound with
little impact on continuity).