IMPORTANT DV INFO: Adobe Premiere Topic
bob
3 different people I was transfered to an individual that basically told me
to go screw myself over this question.. I guess Adobe has problems??? I
guess their policy is not to talk to anyone that has any real question about
DV and Premiere?
I found the Information elsewhere and I will be looking into other packages
to edit my video.. With tech support like Adobe - who needs enemies?
HERE IS THE INFO I FOUND:
Applications such as Premiere and Media Studio Pro use the traditional
method of video capture called "Video for Windows". Video for Windows (VFW)
was developed for Windows 3.1 and has been widely used for video capture
boards for many years. The PYRO card is making use of the new "Direct Show"
capture capabilities in Windows 98 and soon, Windows 2000.
We are also making use of the Microsoft DV software codec. The Video Studio
software captures video using Direct Show capture and stores the file in the
DV Type 1 format. Most applications that use VFW capture use the DV Type 2
file format. Even if we convert the captured DV file into a Type 2 format
for use in Premiere, the file is not recognizable by Premiere or Media
Studio because it they must support Direct Show for DV encoding or decoding.
Basically two things need to happen:
The editing applications need to be updated to support Direct Show capture
The applications need to make use of the MS DV codec or some other
compatible DV codec that makes use of Direct Show encoding and decoding.
Once these applications are ported to offer this type of support, the PYRO
board will work with these applications.
What is Direct Show?
With the Introduction of Windows 98, Microsoft introduced new technologies
such as Direct X, the Windows Driver Model (WDM) and Direct Show.
Microsoft® DirectShowT (formerly called Microsoft ActiveMovieT) is a
media-streaming architecture for the Microsoft Windows® platform that
enables high-quality capture and playback of multimedia streams. The streams
can contain video and audio data compressed in a wide variety of formats,
including MPEG, Apple QuickTime, audio-video interleaved (AVI), and WAV
files.
What is the difference between a Type 1 DV file and a Type 2 DV file?
Below is an excerpt from an article written by Microsoft.
For the full article: http://www.microsoft.com/HWDEV/desinit/dvavi.htm
Microsoft is defining two methods of storing DV video data in AVI files,
referred to as type-1 and type-2. You should be aware of two salient points
regarding these respective types to keep in mind when designing multimedia
devices and their respective software drivers and utilities:
Any DV stored as type-1 cannot be used with VfW-based editors.
Microsoft is providing DV encoder and decoder filters for DirectShow only,
and will not provide support for encoding or decoding DV video data for VfW.
Caskydver
Are there any other companies besides ADS and Ulead that offer support for
Direct Show?
Thanks,
C
Blue skies,
Carol
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Bryan Ellinger
get anywhere with the Adobe crew.
On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:43:35 GMT, "bob" <isp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Just called Adobe to ask why they do not support DV Type 1? After talking to
>3 different people I was transfered to an individual that basically told me
>to go screw myself over this question.. I guess Adobe has problems??? I
>guess their policy is not to talk to anyone that has any real question about
>DV and Premiere?
>
>I found the Information elsewhere and I will be looking into other packages
>to edit my video.. With tech support like Adobe - who needs enemies?
>
>HERE IS THE INFO I FOUND:
>
>What is the difference between a Type 1 DV file and a Type 2 DV file?
>
>Below is an excerpt from an article written by Microsoft.
>
>For the full article: http://www.microsoft.com/HWDEV/desinit/dvavi.htm
>
>
>Microsoft is defining two methods of storing DV video data in AVI files,
>referred to as type-1 and type-2. You should be aware of two salient points
>regarding these respective types to keep in mind when designing multimedia
>devices and their respective software drivers and utilities:
>
>Any DV stored as type-1 cannot be used with VfW-based editors.
>Microsoft is providing DV encoder and decoder filters for DirectShow only,
>and will not provide support for encoding or decoding DV video data for VfW.
>
>
>
-Bryan Ellinger
David Winter
Video Studio 3.0 software. Media Studio Pro remains a VfW application.
Adobe is not noted for the excellence of its human interface, unlike
companies like Canopus!
Nonetheless, Premiere and MSP are historic applications that run on multiple
platforms with both digital and analogue source material. VfW is a
cross-platform standard to which they conform.
If this is an issue for some, there are new generation edit products
emerging, and you may wish to evaluate them. Others may wish to post lists
and URLs.
David Winter
Perth
Western Australia
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David Winter
Apple, so the bed's got some strange company in it these days!
Adobe want your money, so they have to meet you on your turf - Windows!
I take your point, the Mac appeals to their vision, Windows to their
accountants!
DW
Bryan Ellinger <spamblock...@vpi.net> wrote in message
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> First off, you use a PC and Adobe are PC bigots. PC users will never
> get anywhere with the Adobe crew.
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:43:35 GMT, "bob" <isp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Just called Adobe to ask why they do not support DV Type 1? After talking
to
> >3 different people I was transfered to an individual that basically told
me
> >to go screw myself over this question.. I guess Adobe has problems??? I
> >guess their policy is not to talk to anyone that has any real question
about
> >DV and Premiere?
> >
> >I found the Information elsewhere and I will be looking into other
packages
> >to edit my video.. With tech support like Adobe - who needs enemies?
> >
> >HERE IS THE INFO I FOUND:
> >
Markus Zingg
Sorry, had to leave your post because my news server does not accept that
much copied text.
The statement you refer to is IMHO not 100% acurate. There is NO problem in
editing DV video using the VfW method. The capture thing is something
different but not really due to DirectShow but more because DV is transfered
using the IEEE1394 bus. There ARE IEEE1394 board makers that deliver drivers
which DO work with Video for Windows. So it's more a question if such
producers want to support VfW (and threby a product like premiere) or not.
Bottom line is it's more a question of having VfW drivers and codecs. If you
have them, premiere is happy.
There is a move towards DirectShow and I think a next version of premiere
will have to support it. DirectShow was made to support some newer
technologies like DV or interlaced video but with the right will to do so
there is almost always a way to do it with VfW. The main difficulty with DV
is that audio is encoded in the video stream where as VfW want's two
streams - a video and an audio stream. What can be done is (this is the
DV2thing) the audio can be encoded in the avi aditionally as a standard
audio stream. You end up storeing the audio twice, but provided you have a
codec that can do so it works ok.
Markus
bob
As I was told.. Adobe will be going to DirectShow in version 6. On
Microsoft's website - Microsoft states
(http://www.microsoft.com/HWDEV/desinit/dvavi.htm) that they no longer give
support for VfW and will move forward with DirectShow only. One card that
seems to have jump the gun and popped up with DirectShow only is the PYRO
card (www.adstech.com). The card works great and costs only $149, but
Premiere will not work at this time. The big question is this: Does one keep
the card and wait for Adobe to get off their A**, or does one dump the card
and go with the Raptor for a little over a $1000???
This is the question..... A $149 one...
>>>SNIP<<<<
Markus Zingg
given the right will it would be not SUCH a deal to support both
technologies. Ok, costs more but hey ther's a such a big base of VfW
software out there and meanwhile also a siginificant number of DirectX based
software that this really would make sense. Besides DirectX is told to be
backward compatible throug wrappers and generic drivers - maybe there only
would be some more testing and bugfixing needed...
Markus
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