Re: Simple Video Edtitng Software ?
Arny Krueger
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> Ok this may be a slightly (ahem) dumb question, but I am
> just looking for a very simple video editing program that
> will allow me to merely re-sync out of sync video /
> audio.
> I know that if I have a video clip, and I pull it into
> Final Cut Pro, and/or Adobe Premiere I can adjust the
> audio track in the time line to sync up.
> The problem is, FCP has compatibility issues with certain
> file types , and Premiere does as well (occasionally) and
> it is a resource hog at times.
All true. At the current juncture of hardware and software technology,
basically you either spend an extraordinary amount of money for performance
hardware, or you end up with lethargic performance particularly at the
beginning and end.
> And with either one - exporting out and rendering imported
> files takes FOREVER.
Right now the standard seems to be rendering time = run time. Depending on
your investment in technology, you can get rendering time down to a
medium-sized fraction of run time. I'm pretty happy with 1 minute of
rendering time for every 2 minutes of run time. Others may do better or
worse. But, that means 1 hour of rendering for a 2 hour program. Arrrgggh!
> I'm just wondering if there is a very "simple" or scaled
> down Video Editing Application that will allow me to
> import in video files (of all type - MPG, MP4, MOV, AVI
> - etc) and sync up audio with video and export out into
> various formats.....without needed to be a full blown
> professional video editing suite/application
At this juncture, it can't exist, rendering times being what they are.
Most video editing software does no actual editing of video while you are
"editing". All serious work is deferred the rendering step.
The majority of the resource use, and it can be massive, goes into creating
some kind of real-time, scaled-back visual display environment. There could
be 1 editing command or 100, the resource use would be about the same.
> That's all I really want.
First, I want world peace.
Then, I want cheap and easy video editing. ;-)
Seriously, I think the cheap and easy video editing is a lot closer than
world peace.
mkuj...@gmail.com
> Ok this may be a slightly (ahem) dumb question, but I am just looking
> for a very simple video editing program that will allow me to merely
> re-sync out of sync video / audio.
>
> I know that if I have a video clip, and I pull it into Final Cut Pro,
> and/or Adobe Premiere I can adjust the audio track in the time line to
> sync up.
>
> and Premiere does as well (occasionally) and it is a resource hog at
> times.
>
> FOREVER.
>
> I'm just wondering if there is a very "simple" or scaled down Video
> all type - MPG, MP4, MOV, AVI - etc) and sync up audio with video and
> export out into various formats.....without needed to be a full blown
> professional video editing suite/application
>
>
>
> Thanks
Download the trial version of Sony Vegas Movie Studio and see if it
does what you need.
Details at http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/moviestudio
Mike
David Ruether
<mkuj...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The Sony tutorials are excellent, but this program does not support
HDV, if that is of interest to the OP. Other inexpensive programs,
like Sony Movie Studio Platinum, Adobe Premiere Elements 4,
Ulead VideoStudio 11.5+, and Magix, do. All have trial versions,
as do the "fancier spreads"...;-)
--David Ruether
www.donferrario.com/ruether
d_ru...@hotmail.com
Ken Maltby
> Ok this may be a slightly (ahem) dumb question, but I am just looking
> for a very simple video editing program that will allow me to merely
> re-sync out of sync video / audio.
>
> I know that if I have a video clip, and I pull it into Final Cut Pro,
> and/or Adobe Premiere I can adjust the audio track in the time line to
> sync up.
>
> The problem is, FCP has compatiblitiy issues with certain file types ,
> and Premiere does as well (occasionally) and it is a resource hog at
> times.
>
> And with either one - exporting out and rendering impoted files takes
> FOREVER.
>
> I'm just wondering if there is a very "simple" or scaled down Video
> Editing Application that will allow me to import in vvideo files (of
> all type - MPG, MP4, MOV, AVI - etc) and sync up audio with video and
> export out into various formats.....without needed to be a full blown
> professional video editing suite/application
>
> That's all I really want.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions/ideas would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks
>
Re-syncing is most often a matter of re-muxing the audio
and video streams, adding a delay into one or the other as
needed. This requires no "rendering".
The audio and video appears to be all one thing when you
play one of the file types you mention, but those are container
files that can contain audio and video streams of a number of
different types. Files with .mpg and .mov have a limited
number of audio and video types that they can typically
contain. For .mp4 and especially .avi, almost any audio and
video type could be used.
Video can become "out of sync" due to errors in either
stream that effect playback of that stream. There is one
program that is very good at both correcting the effect of
those errors an re-muxing MPEG streams of all kinds;
www.VideoReDo.com ; with an automatic process.
For the other formats, you may need to clean up the
effects of the error(s) that caused the problem, manually.
There are a number of free tools that will do the job
without effecting the quality of the sound or video, or
require any lengthy processing or rendering.
http://virtualdubmod.sourceforge.net/ and the other
versions of Virtual Dub, have "Direct Stream Copy"
mode. The "Audio skew correction" controls work
in that mode.
If you have a serious need for MPEG especially .mp4,
you might consider the Elecard XMuxer Pro.
Luck,
Ken
Richard Crowley
> Ok this may be a slightly (ahem) dumb question, but I am just looking
> for a very simple video editing program that will allow me to merely
> re-sync out of sync video / audio.
>
> I know that if I have a video clip, and I pull it into Final Cut Pro,
> and/or Adobe Premiere I can adjust the audio track in the time line to
> sync up.
>
> The problem is, FCP has compatiblitiy issues with certain file types ,
> and Premiere does as well (occasionally) and it is a resource hog at
> times.
>
> And with either one - exporting out and rendering impoted files takes
> FOREVER.
>
> I'm just wondering if there is a very "simple" or scaled down Video
> Editing Application that will allow me to import in vvideo files (of
> all type - MPG, MP4, MOV, AVI - etc) and sync up audio with video and
> export out into various formats.....without needed to be a full blown
> professional video editing suite/application
There are several popular "simple video editing applications"
out there. They have all been discussed here over the past
months and years.
However, note that re-synchronizing audio and video is NOT
generally a function comprehended by the "simple applications".
Note further that handling the wide variety of file formats as
you have specified is also NOT something comprehended in
most "simple video editing applications".
Fast rendering times is also something probably not the highest
priority by those designing the "simple video editing applications".
You MIGHT find a "simple video editing application" that meets
your requirements, but I certiainly wouldn't hold my breath.
Note that because Google is the major source of spam these
days, messages posted from GoogleGroups and/or from
people with gmail addresses are being filtered out by many
Usenet users.
Smarty
Your computer calendar is set to December 2008 and therefore all of your
posts show up out of sequence on my newsreader.
Smarty
Gene E. Bloch
Weirdly, Rick's pot is seemingly in the right place in my newsreader,
with the displayed date 7/21/2008, time 00:00.
His headers show Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:36:28 -0500.
I suspect that my NR, on seeing a future date, sorts it at midnight of
the date received (or something).
It makes up for the occasional split thread - where later posts are
displayed as a second (or third, ...) thread starting with "Re:
whatever".
I use MesNews.
--
Gene E. Bloch (Gino) letters617blochg3251
(replace the numbers by "at" and "dotcom")
Smarty
news:mn.139a7d888...@nobody.invalid...
apparently uses the header date and time, and thus puts Rick's message at
the very top of my date sorted list. Stupidly, it overlooks the fact that
the actual, current date (which it could get from the Internet, or use
directly from my local clock/calendar, says it is months before the header
date. Your MesNews reader makes a more intelligent choice.
Oh there I go again......accusing Microsoft of doing something stupid in
Vista...........!
Smarty
Gene E. Bloch
Clearly you are making a mistake with such an accusation :-)
I have a Windows Pocket PC, and I upgraded the ActiveSync software.
Spent an afternoon getting my partnership and data back onto the PDA...
Just for updating the synching software :-(
Smarty
I spent countless hours with Compaq iPaqs, Dell Axims, and a couple
'Smartphones" also PocketPC-based. Altogether impressive stuff but just
loaded with many little problems. I still loved these little PDAs.
I used to call it "ActiveStink" rather than 'ActiveSynch'. You obviously
understand what I mean.......
Smarty
"R&B"
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> for a very simple video editing program that will allow me to merely
> re-sync out of sync video / audio.
>
> I know that if I have a video clip, and I pull it into Final Cut Pro,
> and/or Adobe Premiere I can adjust the audio track in the time line to
> sync up.
>
> The problem is, FCP has compatiblitiy issues with certain file types ,
> and Premiere does as well (occasionally) and it is a resource hog at
> times.
>
> And with either one - exporting out and rendering impoted files takes
> FOREVER.
>
> I'm just wondering if there is a very "simple" or scaled down Video
> Editing Application that will allow me to import in vvideo files (of
> all type - MPG, MP4, MOV, AVI - etc) and sync up audio with video and
> export out into various formats.....without needed to be a full blown
> professional video editing suite/application
>
>
>
>
> Any suggestions/ideas would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks
Sony Vegas will ingest darn near any video format. It may be overkill for
what you need to do. But I'd bet it would accept whatever format you're
dealing with.
Randy
Mike Fields
""R&B"" <noneofyou...@all.com> wrote in message
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Take a look at Sony Vegas Movie Studio (the "lite" version of the full
blown Vegas). It
does lots of stuff and works quite well. The "Platinum" version
includes the AC3 codec
for audio.
mikey
Gene E. Bloch
Thanks - I'll use that word in the future :-)
Maybe I'll tell my friend in the next county over. He often uses their
paratransit service for handicapped people; it's officially called
"Outreach", but he calls it "Outrage" - he'll appreciate your renaming
techniques :-)
Smarty
I seldom coin new words, but Microsoft provokes a strange and unusually
strong urge for me to get snarly and sarcastic. They just do so many things
poorly.....virtually all of the apps in Vista which had been reasonably
stable and debugged have been replaced with new and often outrageously poor
replacements, including the new replacement newsreader, Windows Mail, which
I cited earlier in this thread. How they can take good working apps like
Outlook Express and turn them into such mangled and buggy products defies
imagination... Outlook is also just full of problems and the new Office
suite is a huge step backwards, not so much in terms of bugs as the
replacement 'ribbon' interface. Enuff ranting.....sorry Gino!
Smarty
Gene E. Bloch
Can't really blame ya for ranting :-)
I'm sticking with XP for a bit longer...And Office 2003...
I'm running on a Parallels VM in OS X 10.4, so I'm even more suspicious
of Vista than if I was running directly on the hardware (and I haven't
upgraded the Mac OS to 10.5 either!).
Smarty
Gino,
XP with Office 2003 and service packs is substantially better than Vista
with Office 2007 in essentially all respects, and I dearly wish I had the
stability and ease of use they provided. This quadcore Dell will NOT allow
XP to install and Dell explicitly disowns any responsibility for running it
with XP, so I am living in Vista hell until Microsoft figures out a way to
make it work reliably. The first 17 months have apparently not been enough
time for them to figure out what is needed and how to fix it, incredible as
that may sound.
My "Teacher and Student" version of Office 2003 had used up all of its
allowed installations, and I stupidly ordered Office 2007 never thinking it
could be such a huge step backward. I now find that buying Office 2003 has
essentially tripled in price since I bought it 5 years ago, presumably
because the only remaining unsold copies are being purchased by users who
are willing to pay a huge premium to avoid the bugs and learning /
re-learning curve of 2007. I actually wound up buying a $30 "add-in" which
replaces 2007 menus/ribbon with the older 2003 menus, and this has been a
real improvement. I still do wonder why Microsoft never offered an emulation
of their older version menus as a user-selected option rather than force all
users to embrace a profoundly different and far more complex user interface.
The costs to corporate users in wasted time and re-learning has to be
staggering.
Parallels with Tiger and XP is the last configuration I ran on my MacPro,
and it was quite solid as was XP under Bootcamp. I would not suggest a Vista
switch under any circumstances until Microsoft gets to at least Service Pack
2, possibly 3, and I can't imagine any good reason why I would want to
switch the OS given how well Parallels unifies the two environments of OSX
and Windows. Having both the Dock and Taskbar show up together and mixing
both worlds is still a bit of magic I am very impressed with.
Smarty
David Ruether
"Smarty" <nob...@nobody.com> wrote in message
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> XP with Office 2003 and service packs is substantially better than Vista
> with Office 2007 in essentially all respects, and I dearly wish I had the
> stability and ease of use they provided. This quadcore Dell will NOT allow
> XP to install and Dell explicitly disowns any responsibility for running
> it with XP...
Good to know, before buying it or recommending it...:-(
> ...so I am living in Vista hell until Microsoft figures out a way to make
> it work reliably.
At least on a Dell dual core, with the latest updates, Vista appears to
run well on a friend's computer.
> The first 17 months have apparently not been enough time for them to
> figure out what is needed and how to fix it, incredible as that may sound.
Maybe they finally have...?
> My "Teacher and Student" version of Office 2003 had used up all of its
> allowed installations, and I stupidly ordered Office 2007 never thinking
> it could be such a huge step backward. I now find that buying Office 2003
> has essentially tripled in price since I bought it 5 years ago, presumably
> because the only remaining unsold copies are being purchased by users who
> are willing to pay a huge premium to avoid the bugs and learning /
> re-learning curve of 2007. I actually wound up buying a $30 "add-in" which
> replaces 2007 menus/ribbon with the older 2003 menus, and this has been a
> real improvement. I still do wonder why Microsoft never offered an
> emulation of their older version menus as a user-selected option rather
> than force all users to embrace a profoundly different and far more
> complex user interface. The costs to corporate users in wasted time and
> re-learning has to be staggering.
Yes. We were lucky to find a sealed copy of Office 2000 at a used
computer store, for $1. The same day, I found an SB sound card that
*did* work with my MIDI keyboard, unlike my expensive previous
card, and it was also a "whopping" $1.
> Parallels with Tiger and XP is the last configuration I ran on my MacPro,
> and it was quite solid as was XP under Bootcamp. I would not suggest a
> Vista switch under any circumstances until Microsoft gets to at least
> Service Pack 2, possibly 3, and I can't imagine any good reason why I
> would want to switch the OS given how well Parallels unifies the two
> environments of OSX and Windows. Having both the Dock and Taskbar show up
> together and mixing both worlds is still a bit of magic I am very
> impressed with.
>
> Smarty
XP was very solid for me until I ran into the problems with HDV and
Vegas, since solved with the new .dll file for Vegas.
--DR
Smarty
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David,
The absolute height of irony just occurred.....
I typed a lengthy reply to you itemizing a list of 10 reasons I hate Vista,
specifically relating my continuing set of bugs and issues, and hit the
"Send" button on my newsreader, Windows Mail.
The program froze, the send never happened, and the Windows Task manager
announced that the program needed to be closed.
Although I was pissed at wasting 5 or 10 minutes of typing time, I had to
laugh out loud. This operating system even knows when it is being
criticized, and prevents such messages...............
I won't try to repeat the same lengthy reply again, but I will summarize by
saying that Vista now at Service Pack 1 is well behind XP in all respects,
and Microsoft should be ashamed of this product.
Smarty
Gene E. Bloch
Well, now I'm afraid to reply to this, on the off-chance I might sound
critical of MS :-)
I just yesterday had occasion to run my (slightly aged) Windows XP
laptop. I hadn't used it in a couple of months, so I let it upgrade to
SP3. It took only 90 minutes.
Example: It took ten minutes for the "Preparing for download" progress
bar to reach 100%, but it still went on "preparing" for four more
minutes before the download actually started. Download took only two
minutes, followed by 10 minutes of "Verifying Download". Then we went
back to "Preparing for download" again. There's more, but you get the
picture...
I have no idea - none at all - what "preparing for download" can
possibly mean and why it should take so long.
I used to like Windows more than I now do :-)
...And this is still XP.
Smarty
No doubt that people like you and me who have used Macs as well as Windows
know and understand that the Windows environment has far too many delays,
inconveniences, user 'insults', and bugs. Some of us even hoped / imagined
that Vista was going to be a really fresh re-thinking of how to make a truly
excellent operating system, and borrow from Apple's clear strategic
advantage in keeping the updates and a lot of other things simple and
straight-forward. No doubt some of my personal disappointment comes from
this comparison, as well as seeing how very badly they have botched this
opportunity.
Your XP experience is much the same as mine, and 'preparing for download' is
just another way of saying "go get a cup of coffee" or a 6 pack, cause this
is gonna' take a while.....
A couple of my other PCs are running a video server and distribution system
here in the house (called Sage TV) and I delight in the fact that all of the
automatic updates, virus software, and other BS has been disabled since
these machines are not exposed to the Internet. It is remarkable how fast
and reliable they are, and they literally run for months without an issue or
reboot using XP Home with the latest Service Pack. It's a shame that an
external device / software shell cannot be implemented which reliably and
inexpensively isolates the operating system entirely, leaving one box to do
all the IP filtering, virus detection, spyware elimination, firewalls, etc.,
and segregates the OS from all of this frequent updating and attendant
problems.
Smarty
CLicker
I have 3 WinXP systems at hand - all casual home use, none is
also a Mac. I download each SP to commit to optical disc, in
the likely event that I'll need to restore the system - although
I keep images of each OS immediately after major installs. The
SP3 download file, which can be saved and written to disc,
begins to download virtually instantly. Installing from disc is
no different than from any other MS disc. Quick, painless, and
"reversible."
My last PC purchase was from DELL, just shortly after Vista
became their delivery standard. I ran it for less than 8 hours
before reverting to XP (SP0 of the retired system) with approval
from India. I applied SP2, which was on hand, and later SP3 on
the same day as the other systems, when it became available.
My principal reason for updating XP by disc is the probability
that MS will cease caring for XP. It's unlikely they'll declare
Vista the utter disaster which it is.
I've helped a few friends initialize their newly purchased
systems which came preinstalled with Vista. Not being a Vista
user myself does not make it a simple matter, but I try to keep
my cool while eliminating the lawyer nags and the other trash
provided by the hardware vendors, so as not to reveal to my
friends how sad I feel for them. I get called often by one or
another of these friends and usually have to visit to overcome
whatever problem they may be facing, which is usually anomalous.
If Smarty's right about quad-core being ruled out without Vista,
I guess I'll just have to settle for lower priced dual-core PCs
until sanity returns.
For some time DELL had this to say
http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/winxp_inspndt?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&redirect=2
Now it appears the customize links are dead.
Smarty
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Clicker,
Just to clarify, I do not believe that quad core is ruled out for XP, and
actually ran XP on both a quad core as well as an 8 core MacPro Xeon for
quite a while. What I did (mean to) say is that Dell will only ship my
specific model, the XPS420, with Vista, does not (and never has) offered XP
as an option, and has no drivers offered for several specific hardware
components including their BluRay drive if one wishes to abandon the Dell
warranty and "downgrade" to XP on their own. (My BluRay burner, Dell
supplied, is made by Hitachi, and is not sold either retail or OEM except
via a Dell-installed system, and thus can only work with Dell supplied
drivers which are Vista compliant but not XP. Same for my 7.1 channel
digital sound hardware onboard.)
As your link correctly showed, dual boot "Bonus" is / was a Dell option for
some of their models, but alas, not for mine.
Some intrepid souls have, despite all of this, migrated my hardware to XP,
with a lot of compromises in the process. I decided to keep Vista, live with
its many annoying and very troublesome quirks, and hope that eventually
Microsoft will get it right (or at least get it more debugged.) It is still
a long way from XP however in terms of stability.
Also, I too rely heavily on imaging my disks for backup, and can not see the
value of "reinstalling XP" as some other recent post here discusses. Ghost
and Acronis TrueImage have saved me countless hours of restore / install
effort.
Smarty
CLicker
Thanks, Smarty, for clarifying. Yes, many of the systems I've
had since DELL arrived on the scene have come from them. Looks
as if they've lost me for any future sales - as long as they
remain a Vista only shop. I've only ever built one system for
myself - a decade ago with help from a much more experienced
hardware person - I now deem myself too old, or too lazy, to
consider that as an option for the next one. There are still
some custom shops (on line and off) which will supply XP in a
beefy system; that's probably the avenue which I'll pursue next
time, which may be year-end or thereabouts.
When I up-graded my last DELL purchase from Vista to XP, I kept
an image of the Vista install (and the restore disc they
supplied). But I've never taken a DELL extended warranty. This
one, if not already out of warranty, will soon be.
TrueImage is also my choice for backup. It can't see my add-on
eSATA drives from the bootable recovery program however. Thus I
need to pull the single target disc and reimage it using another
machine (no USB2 enclosures handy). I guess it's a necessity
for me to have more than one PC;-)
At any rate, I commiserate with your Vista pain.
Richard Crowley
> No doubt that people like you and me who have used Macs as well as Windows
> know and understand that the Windows environment has far too many delays,
> inconveniences, user 'insults', and bugs. Some of us even hoped / imagined
> that Vista was going to be a really fresh re-thinking of how to make a
> truly excellent operating system, and borrow from Apple's clear strategic
> advantage in keeping the updates and a lot of other things simple and
> straight-forward. No doubt some of my personal disappointment comes from
> this comparison, as well as seeing how very badly they have botched this
> opportunity.
To be fair(?) to MS, the Apple people have it relatively
easy with such a closed system. Their OS (and layered
apps, and hardware, for that matter) only has to work
on the hardware *they* built, not on the hardware built
by 1000 other companies, (none of which they have any
control over.)
Not to mention that MS is the big bruiser who gets all the
attention from the virus purveyors, relieving Apple of being
"point man" on the trek through the infectious online jungle.
Someone could really bring the smug Mac crowd down a
notch or two, but what fun is there in cratering 9% of the
world's computers when for the same amount of effort, you
can hit 85%?
OTOH, MS brought much of it on themselves, by running
for years and years with no attention at all to secure coding
practices. There are still thousands of vulnerabilities like
buffer overrun exploits, etc that they should have trained
their programmers to prevent, and require them to meet
some minimum security standards.
And then they added insult to injury by making the mgmt
and/or marketing decision that the Vista eye-candy would
distract people from actual performance and reliability.
Oh, yea, and distract them from all the DRM stuff they
added so MS could make nice with the Hollywood crowd.
But it would appear that Vista is off to the worst start of any
major OS generation. Huge segments of the market (including
many big instutional/corporate users) are just saying "No"
and sticking with XP until MS releases something reasonable.
I recently bought a new Sony VAIO subnotebook portable
which came loaded with Vista. But it included a pair of DVD
data discs which would re-blast it with XP (including all the
layered apps installed, etc.) I really like the convenience of
the system. (I'm reading/replying to Usenet right now with it
down at the beach.)
But Vista lasted <48 hours before I gave up on it and reverted
it back to XP. The cost/benefit ratio was just strongly negative.
Too many things just different apparently to be different. I could
not find many of the UI things I needed, and then many of my
apps wouldn't install on Vista, so I just pulled the plug on it.
Even though my employer is one of the largest and most well-
known high-tech companies on the planet, and we work as
closely with Microsoft as anybody, we're still using XP in the
office with no plans to switch to Vista anytime soon.
> Your XP experience is much the same as mine, and 'preparing for download'
> is just another way of saying "go get a cup of coffee" or a 6 pack, cause
> this is gonna' take a while.....
Annother pet peeve: They keep dumbing down the messages
(ostensibly to make them "user friendly"). But in so many cases
they have turned what could have been a valuable debugging
clue into useless mush. For example, I still can't find any way
to turn off the "friendly error messages" in IE7. You can read an
account of my quest recently in the internet explorer newsgroup.
I finally had to remove IE7 (not easy) and revert back to IE6.
> A couple of my other PCs are running a video server and distribution
> system here in the house (called Sage TV) and I delight in the fact that
> all of the automatic updates, virus software, and other BS has been
> disabled since these machines are not exposed to the Internet. It is
> remarkable how fast and reliable they are, and they literally run for
> months without an issue or reboot using XP Home with the latest Service
> Pack. It's a shame that an external device / software shell cannot be
> implemented which reliably and inexpensively isolates the operating system
> entirely, leaving one box to do all the IP filtering, virus detection,
> spyware elimination, firewalls, etc., and segregates the OS from all of
> this frequent updating and attendant problems.
Indeed. I keep only one machine patched for battle with the internet,
and all the rest of my systems just sit there and run because I never
"update" them or connect them online. It keeps my video and audio
NLE workststions nice and stable.
Smarty
Thanks for the comments Clicker and you have raised a very interesting point
which I had never considered, namely, whether TrueImage's bootable restore
program can or cannot seem my external eSATA port. I had just assumed that
it could but never tried it. Sounds like I should check it out just in
case......
I have been saving images on two local internal drives (F: and G:) and very
occasionally hook up my external eSATA port to one of my external
enclosures, always using the Windows TrueImage to do the image. It had not
occurred to me that the restore program may need a driver which it presently
lacks..... Worst case may be that my enclosure, having a USB 2 port as well,
could, in a pinch, do the restore, but slowly.
I've also have given up on building my own PCs. With this QX9650 CPU chip
alone selling for $1249 when my machine was manufactured by Dell in April, I
had no desire to screw around with electrostatic charges, thermal grease, or
warranty hassles. I've built dozens of electronics kits, including color TV,
audio gear, ham gear, oscilloscopes, etc. but my eyes and my patience are
not at all what they used to be either.
Thanks again for the comments.
Smarty
Smarty
news:aridnap9g8gI1AfV...@posted.pcez...
> and sticking with XP until MS releases something reasonable.
>
> I recently bought a new Sony VAIO subnotebook portable
> which came loaded with Vista. But it included a pair of DVD
> data discs which would re-blast it with XP (including all the
> layered apps installed, etc.) I really like the convenience of
> the system. (I'm reading/replying to Usenet right now with it
> down at the beach.)
>
> But Vista lasted <48 hours before I gave up on it and reverted
> it back to XP. The cost/benefit ratio was just strongly negative.
> Too many things just different apparently to be different. I could
> not find many of the UI things I needed, and then many of my
> apps wouldn't install on Vista, so I just pulled the plug on it.
>
> Even though my employer is one of the largest and most well-
> known high-tech companies on the planet, and we work as
> closely with Microsoft as anybody, we're still using XP in the
> office with no plans to switch to Vista anytime soon.
>
>> Your XP experience is much the same as mine, and 'preparing for download'
>> is just another way of saying "go get a cup of coffee" or a 6 pack, cause
>> this is gonna' take a while.....
>
> (ostensibly to make them "user friendly"). But in so many cases
> they have turned what could have been a valuable debugging
> clue into useless mush. For example, I still can't find any way
> to turn off the "friendly error messages" in IE7. You can read an
> account of my quest recently in the internet explorer newsgroup.
> I finally had to remove IE7 (not easy) and revert back to IE6.
>
>> A couple of my other PCs are running a video server and distribution
>> system here in the house (called Sage TV) and I delight in the fact that
>> all of the automatic updates, virus software, and other BS has been
>> disabled since these machines are not exposed to the Internet. It is
>> remarkable how fast and reliable they are, and they literally run for
>> months without an issue or reboot using XP Home with the latest Service
>> Pack. It's a shame that an external device / software shell cannot be
>> implemented which reliably and inexpensively isolates the operating
>> system entirely, leaving one box to do all the IP filtering, virus
>> detection, spyware elimination, firewalls, etc., and segregates the OS
>> from all of this frequent updating and attendant problems.
>
> Indeed. I keep only one machine patched for battle with the internet,
> and all the rest of my systems just sit there and run because I never
> "update" them or connect them online. It keeps my video and audio
>
Really good comments and very much consistent with my own experiences
Richard. I particularly resonated with the Apple statement since I have been
watching and experiencing with great interest the immense confusion which
Apple is now dealing with on 3rd party software for the iPhone. Since July
11th, when the "AppStore" went live, Apple has been at the epicenter of a
huge amount of legitimate consumer backlash, since they tried valiantly to
position themselves between the end users of iPhone and the 900+ developers
who have released code for the iPhone. Having been an iPhone user from a
year ago and personally witnessing only recently a "melt-down" of my iPhone
with an incredible array of bugs, hangs, crashes, slow-downs, etc. after
installing some 3rd party apps, I can confidently say that Apple would be
literally unable to ever attempt to orchestrate an OS release even remotely
as complex as XP or Vista, given the vast array of 3rd party drivers, apps,
and hardware issues, to say nothing of the increased exposure you very
correctly refer to from the hacker community. The OSX and Leopard and the
Mac would last for maybe a few nanoseconds until its first crash or hang if
they "went public" with their architecture. I appreciate that their kernel
and open source / Unix environment has tons of developers, but Apple has
been very deliberate (and wise) to not attempt to make OSX and the Mac into
another Unix box. ( I'm sure Steve Jobs' experience at NeXt was largely
responsible...)
I really do wish that a Vista to XP downgrade path were technically
supported, since re-installing all the programs and settings and so on is
just such a total chore. Your quick exodus to XP on the Vaio was extremely
smart and one I wish I had an option to imitate, even now.....
The whole topic of "dumbing down" really concerns and fascinates me, and
most of all scares me for future generations here in the U.S. If you have
seen the movie "Idiocracy", you will see where my concern lies, since I view
it as being mostly realistic in describing what is happening here. The
trends will regrettably continue to make error messages and other debugging
more vague, less explicit, and ultimately less able to provide corrections.
Smarty
Richard Crowley
> I've also have given up on building my own PCs. With this QX9650 CPU chip
> alone selling for $1249 when my machine was manufactured by Dell in April,
> I had no desire to screw around with electrostatic charges, thermal
> grease, or warranty hassles. I've built dozens of electronics kits,
> including color TV, audio gear, ham gear, oscilloscopes, etc. but my eyes
> and my patience are not at all what they used to be either.
Same here. I used to enjoy assembling PCs, but it is too much
of an annoyance anymore. But not for the same reason as yours.
I get my CPUs for free (non-salable parts out of the life-test
ovens), so the cost of the CPU isn't the issue. :-)
Rather, it is the hassle of trying to take back a non-functional
mother board or a video card, or whatever and trying to convince
them that you aren't a ham-handed neophyte who broke it out
of the box.
I am lucky that my neighborhood shop (www.enuinc.com)
will assemble a system for you, from their parts (or yours),
for $20 THEY can go through the headache when the thing
won't boot. They have an "unlimited" supply of replacement
parts they can swap out to get the thing running, and it is
very much worth $20 to let them do it. At least IMHO.
Ken Maltby
Smarty;
It's been a long time since I was drooling over Heathkit's
computer offerings. Slapping a PC together now a days is
nothing like building a S-100 Bus computer, in the old days.
Now, I find it a breeze to assemble the hardware, and
things only get annoying when the software comes into play.
Richard;
I guess I've been very lucky, as I rarely have to return an
item, but then my hard drives haven't failed over time while
stored in filing cabinets, either. In fact the only major
return hassle that I can remember, was with ATI in Canada,
over a Radeon 9700 Pro back in '03.
Of course, making this post has probably jinxed my next
build.
Luck;
Ken
CLicker
<snip>
> Annother pet peeve: They keep dumbing down the messages
> (ostensibly to make them "user friendly"). But in so many
> cases
> they have turned what could have been a valuable debugging
> clue into useless mush. For example, I still can't find any
> way
> to turn off the "friendly error messages" in IE7. You can read
> an
> account of my quest recently in the internet explorer
> newsgroup.
> I finally had to remove IE7 (not easy) and revert back to IE6.
>
This could be some interesting reading, Richard, but "internet
explorer newsgroup" doesn't exactly narrow it down for me.
Could you be more specific, or preferably provide a link to the
top of the thread please? I can't find you having this
discussion via my cursory attempts with Google:-(
Gene E. Bloch
very cogent comments here, except to the paragraphs below (which turn
out to be Smarty's).
On 8/06/2008, Smarty posted this:
> "Richard Crowley" <rcro...@xp7rt.net> wrote in message
> news:aridnap9g8gI1AfV...@posted.pcez...
>> "Smarty" wrote...
[...]
>> To be fair(?) to MS, the Apple people have it relatively
>> easy with such a closed system. Their OS (and layered
>> apps, and hardware, for that matter) only has to work
>> on the hardware *they* built, not on the hardware built
>> by 1000 other companies, (none of which they have any
>> control over.)
I'd bet that the number 1000 above is a gross underestimate
(underguess?), so yes, let's be fairer then we were :-)
>> Not to mention that MS is the big bruiser who gets all the
>> attention from the virus purveyors, relieving Apple of being
>> "point man" on the trek through the infectious online jungle.
>> Someone could really bring the smug Mac crowd down a
>> notch or two, but what fun is there in cratering 9% of the
>> world's computers when for the same amount of effort, you
>> can hit 85%?
Still, the problems that we are talking about in this thread seem to
relate to uninfected Windows, so the above vulnerability is kind of
moot.
Although we could argue this: how many people are having problems
created by the antivirus software that they have to run? If Windows was
such an attractive target we wouldn't need to run these problem
programs...
[...]
I'm going to bow out of this thread to keep the bandwith down (but I'll
continue to lurk for learning purposes!).
Gene E. Bloch
> I have 3 WinXP systems at hand - all casual home use, none is also a Mac. I
> download each SP to commit to optical disc, in the likely event that I'll
> need to restore the system - although I keep images of each OS immediately
> after major installs. The SP3 download file, which can be saved and written
> to disc, begins to download virtually instantly. Installing from disc is no
> different than from any other MS disc. Quick, painless, and "reversible."
...OK, one more post ;-)
Thanks for this idea, CLicker.
I also saw it referred to elsewhere recently, but only after I upgraded
the three relevant systems the hard way.
It's probably time to D/L the upgrade anyway, just in case :-)
Gino
Richard Crowley
> Richard Crowley wrote:
>> ...For example, I still can't find any way to turn off the "friendly
>> the internet explorer newsgroup.
>> I finally had to remove IE7 (not easy) and revert back to IE6.
>
> This could be some interesting reading, Richard, but "internet explorer
> newsgroup" doesn't exactly narrow it down for me. Could you be more
> specific, or preferably provide a link to the top of the thread please? I
> can't find you having this discussion via my cursory attempts with
> Google:-(
Newsgroup: microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general
Subject: "Turn OFF friendly error message in IE7"
Richard Crowley
> I'd bet that the number 1000 above is a gross underestimate (underguess?),
> so yes, let's be fairer then we were :-)
Yes, I likely should have put annother "0" in the guestimate.
> Although we could argue this: how many people are having problems created
> by the antivirus software that they have to run?
I finally dumped McAfee. The "cure" was worse than the disease.
I can't remember EVER being infected (at least as reported by
any anti-virus program). OTOH, my computer frequently
slowed to a crawl and even became non-responsive for minutes
at a time while the virus-scan software was doing its daily update
and/or scan of my hard drive. I'm now using (free) AVG and
am MUCH happier.
> If Windows was such an attractive target we wouldn't need to run these
> problem programs...
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. Is it a typo?
Windows IS an attractive target, and we DO need to run
anti-virus programs to protect it.
Richard Crowley
>> I have 3 WinXP systems at hand - all casual home use, none is also a Mac.
>> I download each SP to commit to optical disc, in the likely event that
>> I'll need to restore the system - although I keep images of each OS
>> immediately after major installs. The SP3 download file, which can be
>> saved and written to disc, begins to download virtually instantly.
>> Installing from disc is no different than from any other MS disc. Quick,
>> painless, and "reversible."
>
> ...OK, one more post ;-)
>
> Thanks for this idea, CLicker.
>
> I also saw it referred to elsewhere recently, but only after I upgraded
> the three relevant systems the hard way.
>
> It's probably time to D/L the upgrade anyway, just in case :-)
Yes, this is an excellent suggestion. I am doing this myself with my
new sub-notebook computer. I'm saving ALL the install files in a
growing collection of data DVDs which I can use to rebuild the
system whenever I want.
Gene E. Bloch
Typo. Read it thus: "if Windows *wasn't* such an attractive target".
You should see what my text looks like before I run the spell checker.
Now all I need is a logic checker :-)
Thanks for catching that.
Smarty
Thanks Gino but I wanted to give proper credit to Richard who authored the
original cogent paragraphs you cite. I am also capable of cogent thought but
only on Mondays, and even then, only after drinking generous amounts of
highly caffeinated coffee along with ginkgo biloba tables...
Smarty
Martin Heffels
wrote:
>I have no idea - none at all - what "preparing for download" can
>possibly mean and why it should take so long.
Apparently Microsoft upgraded or is going to upgrade it's update download
servers, because they were slowly overloaded. Hmmm, one could say, if they
write better software, there would be no need for that ;-)
cheers
-martin-
--
Official website "Jonah's Quid" http://www.jonahsquids.co.uk
Martin Heffels
wrote:
>Their OS (and layered
>apps, and hardware, for that matter) only has to work
>on the hardware *they* built, not on the hardware built
>by 1000 other companies, (none of which they have any
>control over.)
Built or _selected_ themselves. They use in a lot of cases in the latest
models the same hardware which can be found in PC's, like the videocards.
>But it would appear that Vista is off to the worst start of any
>major OS generation.
Did you forget Windows ME? ;-) I found that a greater piece of misery than
Vista. With Vista I played 3 months or so before I decided "that's not it",
but ME lasted only 2 weeks or so on my system.
>Even though my employer is one of the largest and most well-
>known high-tech companies on the planet, and we work as
>closely with Microsoft as anybody, we're still using XP in the
>office with no plans to switch to Vista anytime soon.
As was published recently, much to the chagrin of Microsoft. I might even
fall back in love with your employer again :-))
CLicker
Many thanks, Richard!
CLicker
Arguing with a believer has never resulted in a conversion;-)
I agree with you, Richard, that there is a dumbing down of all
things MS, but that began with the introduction of "My Computer"
"My ....," etc. I'll add, perhaps uselessly as you've abandoned
IE7, that I too received the 404 message from
http://blort.com/nosuch.html as posted by Robert Aldwinckle. My
IE7 settings have left "Friendly ..." enabled, though I can't
say that I've experienced any friendly messages.
At a friend's, where I helped set up Vista with IE7 for her dial
up access (no software installed by the ISP, merely instructions
to set up dial up networking) after each disconnect, IE7 would
go to offline state. Next time she tried to dial in she would
get a multi-part "friendly" IE7 message - which did include
"you're working offline" as one of the "possibilities." The
befuddlement arises when one knows that one was working online
when quitting and that no other IE version had ever reset the
condition upon controlled power down, plus the fact that if
"work offline" is checked, it should be the number one and only
reason for not being able to connect, no?
I'm reminded of Paul Simon's "Fifty ways to leave your lover."
An after thought - perhaps only a simple person can conceive of
useful simplicity?
Gene E. Bloch
Point taken. I should have remembered (or read) the thread's history
better :-)
OTOH, what are "ginkgo biloba tables"? Don't answer - I'm just gently
pulling your chain for a mistake anybody could make. E.g., I just now
posted a correction to one of my posts, where I spoke of a "trail
version" of something...The spell checker liked it fine.
Smarty
My major incentive for taking the memory enhancement ginkgo biloba is so
that I don't forgot to take the really important
medication....."Mycoxaflopin"..... (-8
Gene E. Bloch
Oy weh...
Rick Merrill
> Rick,
>
> Your computer calendar is set to December 2008 and therefore all of your
> posts show up out of sequence on my newsreader.
>
> Smarty
Just wanted to give you time to respond;-)
How about now?
Smarty
news:FOidnbirctKWTzzV...@comcast.com...
Excellent!!! Thanks very much Rick. ;-)
Smarty
phtar
> Ok this may be a slightly (ahem) dumb question, but I am just looking
> for a very simple video editing program that will allow me to merely
> re-sync out of sync video / audio.
>
> I know that if I have a video clip, and I pull it into Final Cut Pro,
> and/or Adobe Premiere I can adjust the audio track in the time line to
> sync up.
>
> The problem is, FCP has compatiblitiy issues with certain file types ,
> and Premiere does as well (occasionally) and it is a resource hog at
> times.
>
> And with either one - exporting out and rendering impoted files takes
> FOREVER.
>
> I'm just wondering if there is a very "simple" or scaled down Video
> Editing Application that will allow me to import in vvideo files (of
> all type - MPG, MP4, MOV, AVI - etc) and sync up audio with video and
> export out into various formats.....without needed to be a full blown
> professional video editing suite/application
>
> That's all I really want.
>
> Any suggestions/ideas would be very helpful.
>
> Thanks
Try to use Wondershare WebVideo Author, you can edit your videos
( YouTube included) without programing skills. Also, you can add
credits to it.
http://sameshow.com/webvideo-author.html
Smarty
> jaekriel wrote:
> ...
>> I'm just wondering if there is a very "simple" or scaled down Video
>> Editing Application that will allow me to import in vvideo files (of
>> all type - MPG, MP4, MOV, AVI - etc) and sync up audio with video and
>> export out into various formats...
>
> days to see if it does what you need.
>
> However, if the sync problem is happening because of how you are
> recording, you need to solve that problem first.
Rick,
Your computer is again set to a date 6 weeks from now, and thus your posts
are all out of sequence with the rest of the newsgroup. I know we exchanged
comments once before on this weeks or months ago, and imagine that daylight
savings time ending may have recently forced the old problem to re-occur.
Smarty