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tod....@gmail.com

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Sep 15, 2007, 2:11:29 AM9/15/07
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I have a Panasonic SDR-H18 video camera that outputs interlaced
704x480 widescreen mpeg2 files of moderate quality. I am trying to
import them into Sony Vegas Movie Studio 8. I set the project settings
to NTSC DV Widescreen (720x480, 1.2121 pixels). I then drag one of my
video files from the camera and drop it on the timeline. I then right
click on the clip in the timeline, click properites and set it to
1.2121 pixels (DV Widescreen), for some reason they default to 0.9091
(NTSC DV) and the picture is obviously distorted at the default
setting.

At this point, things look pretty good. I can play the timeline and
the preview window on the bottom right shows the video as I expect it
to be with small black bars on the left and right (704 video in a 720
project). The picture is not distorted and it is widescreen (as the
camera outputs). I've tried setting the project to 704, and while it
does get rid of the small black bars on the left and right and
otherwise seems to work fine, it does not change the problem that I am
now going to describe:

When I go to render the video, things fall apart. Depending on the
settings I choose in the renderer, I get either large black bars on
the left and right, or large black bars on the top and bottom.

For example, if I click make movie, select save it to my hard drive
and pick WMV, I can see in the settings description on that window
that the video is set to output at 720x480, which is what I expect,
however, when I click to start the render output, the preview window
shows black bars on the top and bottom and none on the left and right;
it basically stretched the video horizontally to make it fill the
width but then it also compressed the video vertically to insert some
black bars on the top and bottom. I've tried various other settings
but then sometimes I will get large black bars on the left and right,
where the video is compressed horizontally.

What settings should I use to get the aspect ratio to so that my
704x480 video gets rendered and burned to a DVD at 720x480 so I end up
with small side bars (8 pixels each) and full fill vertically?

You can download a sample video from my camera here:
http://cid-7f55142c23185f8a.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/MOV005a.mpg

Jukka Aho

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Sep 15, 2007, 3:07:06 AM9/15/07
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tod....@gmail.com wrote:

> What settings should I use to get the aspect ratio to so that my
> 704x480 video gets rendered and burned to a DVD at 720x480 so I end up
> with small side bars (8 pixels each) and full fill vertically?

Since I'm not a Vegas user I'm not able to answer your actual question,
but just in case you wouldn't happen to be aware of this, 704×480 is one
of the legal resolutions for a DVD-Video disc:

<http://dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html#3.4>

Thus, unless you specifically need to mix both 704×480 and 720×480
material in the same project, perhaps you could create a separate
"704×480 only" project template in Vegas for working on your camcorder
files?

--
znark

TJ

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Sep 15, 2007, 8:18:03 AM9/15/07
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Do everythign you are doing BUT when you open up the render window, select
all your settings to render to and THEN click on the custom button, then on
the video tab and then select 16:9, by default Vegas does 4:3 then click ok
and render out.


tod....@gmail.com

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Sep 17, 2007, 1:48:23 AM9/17/07
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On Sep 15, 3:07 am, "Jukka Aho" <jukka....@iki.fi> wrote:

> tod.de...@gmail.com wrote:
> > What settings should I use to get the aspect ratio to so that my
> > 704x480 video gets rendered and burned to a DVD at 720x480 so I end up
> > with small side bars (8 pixels each) and full fill vertically?
>
> Thus, unless you specifically need to mix both 704×480 and 720×480
> material in the same project, perhaps you could create a separate
> "704×480 only" project template in Vegas for working on your camcorder
> files?
>
I tried that but I still get the same result.

tod....@gmail.com

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Sep 17, 2007, 1:48:57 AM9/17/07
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> Do everythign you are doing BUT when you open up the render window, select
> all your settings to render to and THEN click on the custom button, then on
> the video tab and then select 16:9, by default Vegas does 4:3 then click ok
> and render out.
>
I don't see any such option in VMS 8...

TJ

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Sep 17, 2007, 2:53:52 AM9/17/07
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<tod....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Your header and post says your using Vegas 8, your not your using Vegas
Media Studio 8!!! theres a difference.

tod....@gmail.com

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Sep 21, 2007, 1:33:27 AM9/21/07
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On Sep 16, 11:53 pm, "TJ" <T...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Your header and post says your using Vegas 8, your not your using Vegas
> Media Studio 8!!! theres a difference.
>
Sorry about that. Any idea for VMS 8?

888eight888

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Sep 21, 2007, 7:54:57 PM9/21/07
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On Sep 15, 2:11 am, tod.de...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a Panasonic SDR-H18 video camera that outputs interlaced
> 704x480 widescreen mpeg2 files of moderate quality. I am trying to
> import them into Sony Vegas Movie Studio 8. I set the project settings
> to NTSC DV Widescreen (720x480, 1.2121 pixels). I then drag one of my
> video files from the camera and drop it on the timeline. I then right
> click on the clip in the timeline, click properites and set it to
> 1.2121 pixels (DV Widescreen), for some reason they default to 0.9091
> (NTSC DV) and the picture is obviously distorted at the default
> setting.

So, your Sony program reads the MOD files from the camera?
Did you try importing the files from the camera, to the Panasonic
Image Mixer 3 software library (which will make it mpg) and then
import the mpg file into the Sony editor? (Instead of drag/drop from
the camera into the edit software.)

NJKir...@gmail.com

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Sep 27, 2007, 2:20:24 PM9/27/07
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> So, your Sony program reads the MOD files from the camera?
> Did you try importing the files from the camera, to the Panasonic
> Image Mixer 3 software library (which will make it mpg) and then
> import the mpg file into the Sony editor? (Instead of drag/drop from
> the camera into the edit software.)

Please check out http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/archive/index.php/t-125932.html

or simply search for the sdcopy utility that will copy your .mod files
to any location (including over itself) change the extension to .mpg
and fix the issue of retaining the 16:9 aspect ratio. I am currently
trying to convince the people at Pixela to add this fix to their
software since the software is targeted to the panasonics that have
this issue. the Problem is that the real problem is on the firmware on
the camcorder, but it is much easier to put this fix into a piece of
downloadable software on the PC.

Personally after the customer service I've gotten from panasonic, i'm
not sure I'll buy again from them.

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