Re: Pinnacle Studio 10.5 - still a piece of crap.
TonyP
> http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=3
> 7763
>>The nagging question I kept asking at this point was, how could a
>>company ship a piece of software that had such severe stability problems?
Gee.. thanks for the link. While I agree with you on the introduction of
Studio 10 being such a "dog", it seems that Charlie White things it is
now "ok". There are some bugs (as if any software does not have them),
but he seemed to like it. And I got it from *your* link.
http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=37763&afterinter=true
Susan
The inside word at Pinnacle is that it will take 3-4 months to get
Studio 10 stable, another couple of months to get the infernal mess it
makes of your system sorted out in new installs, but that does not
mean that the mess from earlier installs will be cleaned up.
BE SURE TO MAKE A FULL BACKUP OF YOUR SYSTEM BEFORE YOU INSTALL AND
CREATE LOTS OF RECOVERY POINTS ALONG THE WAY!
Charlie White is a professional reviewer with a lot of experience,
help and systems to tinker with. If he could barely get Studio 10 to
run, what SHOULD that tell you?
The wonderful effects he is so enthusiastic about cost extra.
He was paid to write the review.
At least Charlie got Studio 10 to install and run. A recent glowing
review in a consumer video magazine was written by a reviewer who
could not even get it installed. He "Wrote the review based on
material from Pinnacle and a PROMISE that the PROBLEMS would soon be
resolved."
He was paid by Pinnacle also. Does that mean anything?
My advice, wait six months before trying Pinnacle Studio 10.
Hope this helps.
Susan
TonyP
> TonyP <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote:
>>nappY Si wrote:
>>>http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=3
>>>7763
>>
>>>>The nagging question I kept asking at this point was, how could a
>>>>company ship a piece of software that had such severe stability problems?
>>Gee.. thanks for the link. While I agree with you on the introduction of
>> Studio 10 being such a "dog", it seems that Charlie White things it is
>>now "ok". There are some bugs (as if any software does not have them),
>>but he seemed to like it. And I got it from *your* link.
>>
>>http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=37763&afterinter=true
> The inside word at Pinnacle is that it will take 3-4 months to get
> Studio 10 stable, another couple of months to get the infernal mess it
> makes of your system sorted out in new installs, but that does not
> mean that the mess from earlier installs will be cleaned up.
>
> BE SURE TO MAKE A FULL BACKUP OF YOUR SYSTEM BEFORE YOU INSTALL AND
> CREATE LOTS OF RECOVERY POINTS ALONG THE WAY!
>
> Charlie White is a professional reviewer with a lot of experience,
> help and systems to tinker with. If he could barely get Studio 10 to
> run, what SHOULD that tell you?
Oh without a doubt, 10 is a work in progress. A "not ready for prime
time" program. He did have caveats at the end of his review concering
the program. And being marketed as you say, for beginners, it should be
an install and go program.
> The wonderful effects he is so enthusiastic about cost extra.
I thought he complained about those that cost, not the ones included.
> He was paid to write the review.
True. Who paid him. And.. was he sincere and honest in his review.
> At least Charlie got Studio 10 to install and run. A recent glowing
> review in a consumer video magazine was written by a reviewer who
> could not even get it installed. He "Wrote the review based on
> material from Pinnacle and a PROMISE that the PROBLEMS would soon be
> resolved."
At least he told you he was basing his review on a press release. Not a
personal review. Buyer beware.
> He was paid by Pinnacle also. Does that mean anything?
So, you are saying Pinnacle paid Charlie and this other guy?
> My advice, wait six months before trying Pinnacle Studio 10.
That would be mine also.
Steve Guidry
But it sounds like this is just another in a long line of failures by
Pinnacle. I've had a number of Pinnacle products, none of them ever worked
right, even after numerous calls to tech support.
Anyone want a DVD 500 system ? It's still on the shelf.
Steve
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TonyP
> OK - - here's my caveat : I don't own it, and I didn't review it.
>
> But it sounds like this is just another in a long line of failures by
> Pinnacle. I've had a number of Pinnacle products, none of them ever worked
> right, even after numerous calls to tech support.
I would have to disagree with you. I have had success with Pinnacle's
DV500 (from 2.0-4.5 in various computers), Studio 8-9Plus, Liquid 5.5 to
now, Avid Liquid 7.1. But then, I am more computer savy than the average
"dell" user. The forums have been a wealth of info and help. Most of my
problems were "me" related (not fully knowing "how to").
Doing computer repairs has showm me that a lot of the public just don't
maintain their computers, and that could be a cause of a lot of
problems. But after experiencing "hey, why is my computer running so
slow", and finding out that Systemax sold them an XP computer with only
96megs of free ram (128 stick with video taking up 32 megs), what could
you expect?
You can drop by any NLE forum and read about problems that people are
having. And, you can also read about the successes. When you are the
largest (as Pinnacle was), you will have more than your share of
complaints. And yes, there will be some that will never be resolved. I
had a Matrox RT2500 that would never work after building the recommended
computer. Matrox tech support was stellar, but neither they nor I could
get it to work. Exchanged the RT2500 for a DV500 (bought thru
Videoguys), and it worked the very first time. I just stuck it in an
empty PCI slot and was good to go.
But you will hear about the complaints more than the successes.
> Anyone want a DVD 500 system ? It's still on the shelf.
How much and what version?
justin case
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>
> But you will hear about the complaints more than the successes.
Still trying to defend a train wreck?
nappy
Alpha
>
>> OK - - here's my caveat : I don't own it, and I didn't review it.
>>
>> But it sounds like this is just another in a long line of failures by
>> Pinnacle. I've had a number of Pinnacle products, none of them ever
>> worked
>> right, even after numerous calls to tech support.
>
> I would have to disagree with you. I have had success with Pinnacle's
> DV500 (from 2.0-4.5 in various computers), Studio 8-9Plus, Liquid 5.5 to
> now, Avid Liquid 7.1. But then, I am more computer savy than the average
> "dell" user.
Get a grip. You are NOT more savy than I am by a few advanced degrees. I
have Dell computers.
xeagl...@att.net
I guess I will jump in here. I am still using the last update to Studio
9. It had all the problems that everyone is having with Studio 10.
Yes, Studio is a piece of crap for most people, and I have experienced
most of the problems that everyone complains about at one time or
another. But they eventually get 'most' of the bugs out.
However, I still use it every day, and love it. The only problem I am
currently having is the 'crash' bug that it has. The best thing to do
is save after any major edits. The only problem is that is when Studio
like to crash.
I solve that problem by doing my major editing in the album rather that
the timeline. If Studio does crash, those edits are saved automatically
when you make them, and no work is lost.
Your milage may vary.
Bill
Tom
Plus. I hung in there and now use 10.5 Plus. It was very trying to get
it running. I believe that loading it after a reformat and OS install
with minimal programs loaded was my saving grace. It is now a great
pleasure to use and burns great also. Never thought I'd be a happy
Studio user.
Tom
justin case
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'savvy'
You got to be able to spell it to be it.
nap
TonyP
Ah.. the one who has not used the products chimes in with useful,
insightful information.
Again, have you actually used any of the products mentioned? I thought
not....
TonyP
I have a grip. It appears you don't, or are a little sensitive about
owning Dell's. My wife has one. I know what they are "made" of, and any
semi-competant person can put together a computer of greater value and
performance than buying the equivalent Dell.
As for my education, you know not anything about it.
I used Dell because they are the biggest. They sell tons of their $399
computers to who....
And for my experience with the DV500. It has been in 4 different
computer configurations and is still working today.
TonyP
>>>I would have to disagree with you. I have had success with Pinnacle's
>>>DV500 (from 2.0-4.5 in various computers), Studio 8-9Plus, Liquid 5.5 to
>>>now, Avid Liquid 7.1. But then, I am more computer savy than the average
>>>"dell" user.
>>
>>Get a grip. You are NOT more savy than I am by a few advanced degrees. I
>>have Dell computers.
> 'savvy'
>
> You got to be able to spell it to be it.
And thank you for the spelling correction.
justin case
Let's assume I was in a position where I was searching for a cheap
editing app. I would do some research first. If I did any research on how
people felt about Pineapple gear and what they were experiencing I would be
scared away from the product. But since I have used their gear, DV500,
DC2000, DC1000, and seen countless people in Pineapple Hell come through
this NG in the last whatever, 5 or 6 years I don't think it would make sense
that I would be using it. Would it Tony? Savvy?
You are one of the rare.. Actually maybe the ONLY vociferous defender of
Pinnaple gear I have ever seen here. makes you a rare bird Tony.
Gordon Abbot
I have Ulead, Sony, Nero, NTI, Adobe, VDub, and other video editing
software on my computer and all work fine. I have an older version of
Pinnacle in the box after trying to make it work.
I have been helping a friend who foolishly bought 10.5 and it refused to
load. Got him through that, but it takes forever to boot and crashes
often. I bought Adobe Premier Elements for him so he can get through a
project.
Reading the defenders here, so to make 10.5 work, all you need to do is
do a clean install of windows and have no other programs on your machine
and you are fine? Talk about arrogance. None of my other editing
programs have caused the problems Pinnacle has. Even a beta of most
software is fairly stable. 10.5 is worse than a beta. Just Google it and
you will see the problems people have with it.
GA
--
My address is spoofed, so do not reply directly.
xeagl...@att.net
> The best thing people could do when travelling by Electra
> was to sit near a door and wear a parachute.
>
Personally, I would have sat in the rear of the Electra. I have
never heard of a airplane backing into a mountain!
And I have created at least 486 DVD's using Studio 9. How many
have you made using all the other editing programs?
Michael
happier. Took a while to learn it but now that I know my way around there
is no way I'd go back. If someone doesn't need Premiere they could check
out Premiere Elements which is cheaper although scaled down.
spikemike
stone to premiere pro...!.
I started with Pinnacle Studio 6....... WHAT A LOAD OF TOSH...! tried
the free download of premiere 6.5 from adobe and it baffled me to F++k,
tried Premeire Elements 1.5 and adjusted realy easily, so simple and
stable it's GREAT.... after that it was just a matter of time until i
started on Premiere Pro, trust me take the plunge and don't look
back... 'pinacle for pussies' it amazed me that they make such high end
video editing for broadcasting yet produce trash for joe public.
TonyP
> Let's assume I was in a position where I was searching for a cheap
> editing app. I would do some research first. If I did any research on how
> people felt about Pineapple gear and what they were experiencing I would be
> scared away from the product. But since I have used their gear, DV500,
> DC2000, DC1000, and seen countless people in Pineapple Hell come through
> this NG in the last whatever, 5 or 6 years I don't think it would make sense
> that I would be using it. Would it Tony? Savvy?
No doubt that v10.x of Studio was a bomb. I even said that. There was a
"cheap" upgrade price for me that I turned down. Too many people with
problems. Sure. Do the research yourself. As I have stated before, you
can go into *any* forum and read about problems and disasters. Does that
mean you stay away from the product? If that were the case, most of us
wouldn't be using Windows. Yet, we still do in spite of it's short
comings. As for *your* experiences, they are yours, just as *mine* are
mine. I have very positive results with Pinnacle. Many have. And there
aer those that have not. I have posted my experience with Matrox, yet,
you don't see me bashing the product because *I* could not get it to
work. It was apparent in their forum that there were happy people using
it with no problem.
Why you invested so much money in Pinnacle if you were having so many
problems is beyond me. Speaks volumes for you.
> You are one of the rare.. Actually maybe the ONLY vociferous defender of
> Pinnaple gear I have ever seen here. makes you a rare bird Tony.
Not a defender of anything. Just putting my experiences in there along
with the rest. But is seems that that is unacceptable to a lot of
people. All they want to see is negative experiences. All you would have
to do is go the the Liquid forums and reas for yourself. Same with
Premiere, Canopus, etc.. You will read the same type of stories.
Successes and problems. Pinnacle (since it isn't bundled as Premiere is)
Studio has sold more software.
I liked Premiere 6.5, but after the learning curve of Liquid, I can't go
back. Now, using Avid Liquid with pretty good success as are many others.
TonyP
> Reading the defenders here, so to make 10.5 work, all you need to do is
> do a clean install of windows and have no other programs on your machine
> and you are fine? Talk about arrogance. None of my other editing
> programs have caused the problems Pinnacle has. Even a beta of most
> software is fairly stable. 10.5 is worse than a beta. Just Google it and
> you will see the problems people have with it.
If a program doesn't work then it is broken and should not have been
released. Everyone knows that about Studio 10. It looked awesome on
paper and the price is more than "right". But, it has caused a ton of
headaches for the buyers. Why it was released like this? I don't know.
Will it be "fixed"? Only time will tell. They are putting out fixes and
updates, but I think the damage may be too deep.
muzic...@yahoo.com
nappY Si wrote:
> Lockheed used to make a commercial airliner called the Electra.
> The only problem it had was it kept on crashing and killing all
> the passengers and crew - but otherwise it was a fine aircraft.
>
> > The best thing to do is save after any major edits.
>
> The best thing people could do when travelling by Electra
> was to sit near a door and wear a parachute.
I definitely won't be flying Pinnacle Airlines...
justin case
> justin case wrote:
> Why you invested so much money in Pinnacle if you were having so many
> problems is beyond me. Speaks volumes for you.
Oh.. go fuck yourself you idiot. NONE of it was my money. I was pulling
people out of jams who were trying to get work done for their clients. I
have been using Premiere since before Version 4. Along with the Avid and
FCP rigs around here. I don't play with toys. You really have to stop trying
to get personal about Pinnacle gear. Makes you look bad you dumbshit.
spikemike
the aviation industry, just go and ask Channel Express here in the UK
they run a fleet of them and you NEVER see them buried in a mountain so
go and get your facts right, if pinnacle was an airline then you would
use them once and never again...!
TonyP
Did I hit a nerve? I must have judging by you ad homenim reply. As for
the "toy" comment, again, it speaks volumes of you. But then you know
that it is the editor that makes the video. The equipment is only the
tool. As for being personal about Pinnacle gear, geez... let's see. I
first had an Amiga with a SuperGen genlock. Then Amiga Video Toaster
(still have it), then DPS Editbay (geez... if I were so *personal*, I
would have the Velocity right now), then Matrox RT2500, then a fully
functional great piece of gear, the DV500. That is when I started using
Pinnacle for editing. It worked for me and countless others. Upgraded to
software based NLE with Liquid, and now Avid Liquid. It works fine for
me and many others. You just refuse to hear about it for whatever biases
you (and others) have.
nappy
> Justin case wrote:
>
>> "TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
>> news:voKQf.807$Gb4...@fe10.lga...
>>>justin case wrote:
>
>>>Why you invested so much money in Pinnacle if you were having so many
>>>problems is beyond me. Speaks volumes for you.
>
>> Oh.. go fuck yourself you idiot. NONE of it was my money. I was pulling
>> people out of jams who were trying to get work done for their clients. I
>> have been using Premiere since before Version 4. Along with the Avid and
>> FCP rigs around here. I don't play with toys. You really have to stop
>> trying to get personal about Pinnacle gear. Makes you look bad you
>> dumbshit.
>
> Did I hit a nerve?
no.. you're simply an asshole. Don't flatter yourself Tony. Makes you look
like a dumbshit. NO reason to go round and round with you about Pinnacle.
They deserve their reputation and you need to get off your soapbox.
nappy
PS..
You had plenty of opportunities to show us how fine this Pinnaple crap
is when people came through here with problems. You posted zip to help them.
So you are simply a leaking gas bag. .
Gordon Abbot
I also started with Pinnacle but Studio 7. It was not worth my time and
effort.
My friend, who bought 10.5 finally got it to load, but it will not
capture his video. He has worked with Studio 9 at school which is why he
bought 10.5, so he is an experience Pinnacle user. But 10.5 has been a
disaster. He needs to get a video made soon, so shifted to Elements.
I cannot believe posts by Pinnacle defenders whose solution is to
reformat your drive to make it work. Just plain arrogance. I have never
had to reformat my drive for any software (except an OS) and that is
with win 3.1, 98, 98se and XP. If that is what is required to use a
Pinnacle product, then do not buy it.
J. Clarke
It would help if you quoted some context. Nappy's post doesn't seem to be
on my server and he's got it x-no-archived (one of the marks of a troll
IMO) so it will disappear from Google Groups shortly.
He's a bit confused about the Electra though. There were two crashes, one
in 1959 and one in 1960, after which they figured out what the problem was,
redesigned the part that was causing it, and there haven't been any
structural failures since. A large number of Electras have been flying in
military service (they fill it with electronics and 20,000 pounds of
weapons and call it a "P3" and it's being used by more than a dozen
different navies around the world including the US, Canadian, and
Japanese--the Brits have their own equivalent built on a Comet airframe
that isn't as popular for some reason) for more than 40 years without any
significant problems--the US Navy isn't going to retire them until the
2010-2013 timeframe when the P8 starts going into service--wouldn't
surprise me if there weren't some still in service with other Navies 100
years after the first one rolled off the line.
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Steve Guidry
> do a clean install of windows and have no other programs on your machine
> and you are fine? Talk about arrogance. None of my other editing
> programs have caused the problems Pinnacle has.
No, that didn't even work for my DV500. After 2 tries on my own with clean
installs, I decided to do it right. So I did another clean install, and
then called Pinnacle tech support. After about 3 hours on the call, they
were stumped as well. And this was with a machine that was on their
"approved systems" list.
It's on the shelf. Never again for me . . .
Steve
nappy
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> spikemike wrote:
>
>> FACT the electra is probably one of the most competent workhorses of
>> the aviation industry, just go and ask Channel Express here in the UK
>> they run a fleet of them and you NEVER see them buried in a mountain so
>> go and get your facts right, if pinnacle was an airline then you would
>> use them once and never again...!
>
> It would help if you quoted some context. Nappy's post doesn't seem to be
> on my server and he's got it x-no-archived (one of the marks of a troll
> IMO) so it will disappear from Google Groups shortly.
>
> He's a bit confused about the Electra though.
Nappy never mentioned the Electra.
J. Clarke
My apologies--Google Groups shows it as being someone calling himself "nappY
Si".
TonyP
Must have hit another nerve. You can't stand it when someone disagrees
with you. You also don't like when you are shown to be not so truthful
with your current experience with Pinnacle products.
I posted my experiences, yet you continue to denounce them. I asked you
what products have you used, and you remained silent on answering, but
come back with your usual ad homenim. Typical, and expected.
Again, my experiences with Pinnacle products (DV500, Studio 9+, Liquid
5.5-6.1, and now Avid Liquid) have been positive. Very positive. I have
said that Studio 10 was a Pinnacle product I personally would not buy or
recommend because of the problems it has. I have not owned soley
Pinnacle products. I have owned and used others. If Pinnacle products
caused me grief, I would look elsewhere. There is a lot to choose from.
Now, grow up little boy and take your school yard mouth somewhere else.
Your replies speak volumes about you. I suggest you stop, if you can.
nappy
> I posted my experiences, yet you continue to denounce them. I asked you
> what products have you used, and you remained silent on answering, but
> come back with your usual ad homenim. Typical, and expected.
Tony.. you're confused. I never mentioned your experiences. Don't really
care. And you already know which tools I use.
> If Pinnacle products caused me grief, I would look elsewhere. There is a
> lot to choose from.
great! But no one gives a shit. They don't post their problems here in order
to find out if you are happy or not.
>
> Now, grow up little boy and take your school yard mouth somewhere else.
> Your replies speak volumes about you. I suggest you stop, if you can.
Aw Tony.. fuck off already. This is usenet.. don't come here and get
personal if you can't take it.
You're just one guy.. You're not going to change the concensus about
Pinnacle here. Especially if you never bother to help any Pinnacle users in
Pinnaple hell.
Thanks for the suggestion.
>
TonyP
> spikemike wrote:
> My friend, who bought 10.5 finally got it to load, but it will not
> capture his video. He has worked with Studio 9 at school which is why he
> bought 10.5, so he is an experience Pinnacle user. But 10.5 has been a
> disaster. He needs to get a video made soon, so shifted to Elements.
So I guess that 9 worked ok at the school.
> I cannot believe posts by Pinnacle defenders whose solution is to
> reformat your drive to make it work. Just plain arrogance. I have never
> had to reformat my drive for any software (except an OS) and that is
> with win 3.1, 98, 98se and XP. If that is what is required to use a
> Pinnacle product, then do not buy it.
I've done it when trying to get a Matrox product to work, but to no
avail. No big deal. I had an extra hard drive to do it. But with a
program like Studio, it does seem to be "overkill" to get a budget
product to work. But then, you don't know what he had on his system that
could have caused problems with the program.
Most people that would buy Studio aren't necessarily the most computer
*savvy* people out there as far as maintaining their computers.
TonyP
> "TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
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>>I posted my experiences, yet you continue to denounce them. I asked you
>>what products have you used, and you remained silent on answering, but
>>come back with your usual ad homenim. Typical, and expected.
> Tony.. you're confused. I never mentioned your experiences. Don't really
> care. And you already know which tools I use.
Sorry bud... you are the confused. And if you don't really care, then
why reply??? HUH???? I think you have a fixation problem.
>>If Pinnacle products caused me grief, I would look elsewhere. There is a
>>lot to choose from.
> great! But no one gives a shit. They don't post their problems here in order
> to find out if you are happy or not.
You seem to give a *shit*. Always replying. As if you have any
suggestions besides your limited responses. Me, I'm happy with my stuff.
Yep... happy with Pinnacle stuff. Works fine for me. As for people
with problems with Pinnacle products, I don't see providing anything
helpful. Nothing. I always suggest that they go to the Pinnacle forums
and ask there. They would stand a better chance of getting help there
than here. But then, you aren't really about helping anyone with a
problem with Pinnacle software, are you. And you really can't help
because you have no experience with them.
>
>>Now, grow up little boy and take your school yard mouth somewhere else.
>>Your replies speak volumes about you. I suggest you stop, if you can.
> Aw Tony.. fuck off already. This is usenet.. don't come here and get
> personal if you can't take it.
Oh, I can take it and give it. You are the one that has the problems
when faced with facts. Now... why don't you take your own advice and
stop replying. Can't?
> You're just one guy.. You're not going to change the concensus about
> Pinnacle here. Especially if you never bother to help any Pinnacle users in
> Pinnaple hell.
Never tried to change anyone's mind. Just offer another voice to all the
naysayers with no real experience (such as yourself) with the current
Pinnacle line.
> Thanks for the suggestion.
We'll see.
Gordon Abbot
> Gordon Abbot wrote:
Thanks for clearing it up. So do not buy Pinnacle products if you are
not computer savvy, a definition set by who? Pinnacle?
The problem is, when I googled 10.5 to find out what issues there were
with it, the posts, both by reviewers and users were uniformly bad. One
reviewer of a computer mag liked it but could only get it to work on one
of three computers. Obviously, he was only 1/3rd computer savvy.
As far as using 9 at school, from what I have read on the net, 10.5 is
not a simple upgrade of 9, but 9 stripped down and re-written, so it is
actually version 1 (beta, from the problems so far).
You are one data point. It is nice that you did go through things that I
and many others, deem unacceptable for a program to make it work.
Especially, as you say, "Most people that would buy Studio aren't
necessarily the most computer *savvy* people out there as far as
maintaining their computers". So the program is not the right one for
the people it is designed for. If it is designed only for computer savvy
people, that does limit its use, since most of those would recognize it
as an inferior product.
Just that fact, that you had to do so much to make it work, takes it out
of the computer savvy world and into the world where you check the name
of the company and stay away from their products. Especially when there
are so many excellent programs that do just as well, are easy to use
and, most of all, are stable.
nappy
>> great! But no one gives a shit. They don't post their problems here in
>> order to find out if you are happy or not.
>
> You seem to give a *shit*. Always replying. As if you have any suggestions
> besides your limited responses.
No.. Tony.. we don't give a shit if you are happy or not..geez.. you're
kinda thick Tony
I love replying.. It's like fishing.. And you bite every time. !
Here's a hint tony.. When you see someone who has gone through hell with a
piece of software.. it really does them NO good for some nut to chime in
and tell them how happy he is with his software.. that really isn't
relevant. ie: no one gives a shit.
TonyP
> TonyP wrote:
>
>> Gordon Abbot wrote:
>>> My friend, who bought 10.5 finally got it to load, but it will not
>>> capture his video. He has worked with Studio 9 at school which is why
>>> he bought 10.5, so he is an experience Pinnacle user. But 10.5 has
>>> been a disaster. He needs to get a video made soon, so shifted to
>>> Elements.
>> So I guess that 9 worked ok at the school.
>>> I cannot believe posts by Pinnacle defenders whose solution is to
>>> reformat your drive to make it work. Just plain arrogance. I have
>>> never had to reformat my drive for any software (except an OS) and
>>> that is with win 3.1, 98, 98se and XP. If that is what is required to
>>> use a Pinnacle product, then do not buy it.
>> I've done it when trying to get a Matrox product to work, but to no
>> avail. No big deal. I had an extra hard drive to do it. But with a
>> program like Studio, it does seem to be "overkill" to get a budget
>> product to work. But then, you don't know what he had on his system
>> that could have caused problems with the program.
>> Most people that would buy Studio aren't necessarily the most computer
>> *savvy* people out there as far as maintaining their computers.
> Thanks for clearing it up. So do not buy Pinnacle products if you are
> not computer savvy, a definition set by who? Pinnacle?
Oh, you can buy any product you want, but if you computer does not meet
the requirements, chances are, that it may not work. Simple. How many
computers have you serviced that have not be defragged? Reg cleaned?
Temp files removed? Me... plenty. Affects the performance of the
computer. Most people don't know how to do this. They buy a computer,
plug it in, and away they go until it slows to a crawl or ceases to boot
up. Does this make it "clearer" for you?
> The problem is, when I googled 10.5 to find out what issues there were
> with it, the posts, both by reviewers and users were uniformly bad. One
> reviewer of a computer mag liked it but could only get it to work on one
> of three computers. Obviously, he was only 1/3rd computer savvy.
IF you have been following this thread at all, you would have read my
reply concerning Studio 10. But since you seem to not have read my
reply, let me re-state it hear briefly. I did not upgrade to 10 because
of what seemed to be a lot of problems with it. It should not have been
released in it's initial and current form. OK?
> As far as using 9 at school, from what I have read on the net, 10.5 is
> not a simple upgrade of 9, but 9 stripped down and re-written, so it is
> actually version 1 (beta, from the problems so far).
It isn't 9 at all. It's code is based upon Liquid. And yes, I too would
consider it a v1.0.
> You are one data point. It is nice that you did go through things that I
> and many others, deem unacceptable for a program to make it work.
> Especially, as you say, "Most people that would buy Studio aren't
> necessarily the most computer *savvy* people out there as far as
> maintaining their computers". So the program is not the right one for
> the people it is designed for. If it is designed only for computer savvy
> people, that does limit its use, since most of those would recognize it
> as an inferior product.
You know not what I go through with a program. When I say it is running
well, I mean just that. Don't try to re-word my post. And don't try to
make up your own straw man to knock it down. And, again, most people
that would buy Studio aren't computer savvy. There are incompatibility
issues for people with every program. I guess you NEVER ever had Windows
crash on you. Yet, you still use it (if a PC user. I know Macs crash
too). When someone says a particular program does not work for them, you
would have to diagnose the computer to even see if it is running
properly. Then if it is, meets the program requirements, and the program
still doesn't work, well, time to move on and find something similar.
> Just that fact, that you had to do so much to make it work, takes it out
> of the computer savvy world and into the world where you check the name
> of the company and stay away from their products. Especially when there
> are so many excellent programs that do just as well, are easy to use
> and, most of all, are stable.
Mind you, you only hear of the problems, very rarely of the successes.
And yes, move to something else. I went from Matrox to Pinnacle because
the Matrox didn't work for me and my "recommended" computer. Life was
great then, and, I didn't feel the need to rag Matrox about it.
>
> GA
>
TonyP
> "TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
> news:hHoRf.794$gr4...@fe12.lga...
>>>>great! But no one gives a shit. They don't post their problems here in
>>>order to find out if you are happy or not.
>>You seem to give a *shit*. Always replying. As if you have any suggestions
>>besides your limited responses.
> No.. Tony.. we don't give a shit if you are happy or not..geez.. you're
> kinda thick Tony
Gee.. can't stay away. Predictable.
> I love replying.. It's like fishing.. And you bite every time. !
Sure. It is you that takes the bite.
> Here's a hint tony.. When you see someone who has gone through hell with a
> piece of software.. it really does them NO good for some nut to chime in
> and tell them how happy he is with his software.. that really isn't
> relevant. ie: no one gives a shit.
Then take the hint for yourself. My replies aren't to the person with
the problem, it is to you. Someone that has not used the product, yet
speaks as an authority of it. And when dragged across the carpet on it,
still insists that you know what you are talking about. All the while,
providing no useful information on possibly solving the problem at hand.
But again, you can't. You know nothing about the product. Nothing.
And.. you are easy to get to jump through my hoops.
Now SIT nappy, before I get a roll of newspaper to whack you on the nose
with.
Gordon Abbot
> IF you have been following this thread at all, you would have read my
> reply concerning Studio 10. But since you seem to not have read my
> reply, let me re-state it hear briefly. I did not upgrade to 10 because
> of what seemed to be a lot of problems with it. It should not have been
> released in it's initial and current form. OK?
Which is the subject of this thread- "Pinnacle Studio 10.5 - still a
piece of crap".
Nice we agree.
nappy
> Then take the hint for yourself. My replies aren't to the person with the
> problem, it is to you. Someone that has not used the product, yet speaks
> as an authority of it.
Man.. you truly are thick. If you're such an authority why haven't you
solved a single Pinnacle problem here?
I know this might be hard for you Tony.. so I will patiently explain it
again.
I do have experience using Pinnacle products. It WAS a bad experience. It
continues to be so for most Pinnacle users. You are the lone Pinnacle
supporter in this NG. And you come off like a rank amateur.
I do enjoy pulling your chain though.
>Now SIT nappy, before I get a roll of newspaper to whack you on the nose
>with.
You poor desperate idiot.
nappy
"Gordon Abbot" <gab...@mmo.net> wrote in message
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> TonyP wrote:
>
>> IF you have been following this thread at all, you would have read my
>> reply concerning Studio 10. But since you seem to not have read my reply,
>> let me re-state it hear briefly. I did not upgrade to 10 because of what
>> seemed to be a lot of problems with it. It should not have been released
>> in it's initial and current form. OK?
>
> Which is the subject of this thread- "Pinnacle Studio 10.5 - still a
> piece of crap".
>
> Nice we agree.
He's a Pinnacle disciple.. Like a Scientologist.. or an Islamic radical. He
comes around once in a while only to tell us how much he love his Pinnaple
gear.. and how well it works.. never see him when someone comes through with
problems though..
TonyP
> TonyP wrote:
>
>> IF you have been following this thread at all, you would have read my
>> reply concerning Studio 10. But since you seem to not have read my
>> reply, let me re-state it hear briefly. I did not upgrade to 10
>> because of what seemed to be a lot of problems with it. It should not
>> have been released in it's initial and current form. OK?
>
>
> Which is the subject of this thread- "Pinnacle Studio 10.5 - still a
> piece of crap".
>
> Nice we agree.
On Studio 10, yes. I never disagreed if you have been following the
thread. It is the other comments that I have a problem with. Not so much
that some people that actually use the product have problems, but those
that have never used it, or any current Pinnacle product have only
"opinions". They are not based on actual use.
TonyP
> "TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
> news:5WKRf.3653$9M3....@fe12.lga...
>>Then take the hint for yourself. My replies aren't to the person with the
>>problem, it is to you. Someone that has not used the product, yet speaks
>>as an authority of it.
> Man.. you truly are thick. If you're such an authority why haven't you
> solved a single Pinnacle problem here?
Sort of hard to solve a problem that you have not personally
experienced, isn't it. So, what I do (and this is something that you
don't do) is send them to a place where they stand a better chance of
getting help (help, which is something that you don't do).
> I know this might be hard for you Tony.. so I will patiently explain it
> again.
> I do have experience using Pinnacle products. It WAS a bad experience. It
> continues to be so for most Pinnacle users. You are the lone Pinnacle
> supporter in this NG. And you come off like a rank amateur.
Err... what was the last product you claim to have used?? How long ago
was it? I said *current* products. Have you used DV500 (now legacy),
Liquid or Studio 8-10? No. Yet, you have an opinion on them based not on
actual usage, but what you have heard or experienced in the past.
> I do enjoy pulling your chain though.
>>Now SIT nappy, before I get a roll of newspaper to whack you on the nose
>>with.
> You poor desperate idiot.
Ahh.. but you are the one always replying. Now. Answer my above comment
on your current usage of a Pinnacle product.
TonyP
Not a disciple. Not even close. And I don't *love* any gear. Those are
your words, not mine. And yes, it does work for me, and very well. I
know you can't stand that thought, but hey, I did nothing special and it
works fine. On several different computers.
I have yet to see you offer any constructive solutions to a Pinnacle
problem. Oh, that's right, you don't even use it.
Again... and I'll say this for you nappy, I send them to a place where
there is a wealth of help and information. You, well, we read what help
you offer. None.
Keep dancing while I pull your strings.
nappy
> Gordon Abbot wrote:
>
>> TonyP wrote:
>>
>>> IF you have been following this thread at all, you would have read my
>>> reply concerning Studio 10. But since you seem to not have read my
>>> reply, let me re-state it hear briefly. I did not upgrade to 10 because
>>> of what seemed to be a lot of problems with it. It should not have been
>>> released in it's initial and current form. OK?
>>
>>
>> Which is the subject of this thread- "Pinnacle Studio 10.5 - still a
>> piece of crap".
>>
>> Nice we agree.
>
> On Studio 10, yes. I never disagreed if you have been following the
> thread.
oh.. who farted?
nappy
>
> Not a disciple. Not even close. And I don't *love* any gear. Those are
> your words, not mine. And yes, it does work for me, and very well. I know
> you can't stand that thought, but hey, I did nothing special and it works
> fine. On several different computers.
No one cares Tony! No one disputes that YOUR system works..
> I have yet to see you offer any constructive solutions to a Pinnacle
> problem. Oh, that's right, you don't even use it.
> Again... and I'll say this for you nappy, I send them to a place where
> there is a wealth of help and information. You, well, we read what help
> you offer. None.
There is no help for people using Pinnacle gear. Most of them will give up
on it eventually.. That's all we can tell them.
>
> Keep dancing while I pull your strings.
Tony.. you're simply not smart enough to pull anything.
>
nappy
> nappy wrote:
>
>> "TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
>> news:5WKRf.3653$9M3....@fe12.lga...
>
>>>Then take the hint for yourself. My replies aren't to the person with the
>>>problem, it is to you. Someone that has not used the product, yet speaks
>>>as an authority of it.
>
>> Man.. you truly are thick. If you're such an authority why haven't you
>> solved a single Pinnacle problem here?
>
> Sort of hard to solve a problem that you have not personally experienced,
> isn't it. So, what I do (and this is something that you don't do) is send
> them to a place where they stand a better chance of getting help (help,
> which is something that you don't do).
you haven't done squat. The only time you post here is to defend pinnacle.
>
>> I know this might be hard for you Tony.. so I will patiently explain it
>> again.
>> I do have experience using Pinnacle products. It WAS a bad experience. It
>> continues to be so for most Pinnacle users. You are the lone Pinnacle
>> supporter in this NG. And you come off like a rank amateur.
>
> Err... what was the last product you claim to have used?? How long ago was
> it? I said *current* products. Have you used DV500 (now legacy), Liquid or
> Studio 8-10? No.
Hey goofball.. I mentioned the products I used. And yes.. the DV500 was one
of them.. Are you incapable of reading? Or understanding what you read?
Why on earth would I even try another pinnacle product?
Yet, you have an opinion on them based not on
> actual usage, but what you have heard or experienced in the past.
yes.. experience from the future is beyond my grasp as of yet... so it was
experience in the past. and the constant stream of people who hate their
shit. Please Tony.. stop and think for a minute and don't type. Just think.
>
>> I do enjoy pulling your chain though.
>
>>>Now SIT nappy, before I get a roll of newspaper to whack you on the nose
>>>with.
>
>> You poor desperate idiot.
>
> Ahh.. but you are the one always replying. Now. Answer my above comment on
> your current usage of a Pinnacle product.
STOOOOOPID. I don't NEED to stoop to fighting with Pinnacle gear. I have a
professional facility.
Now .. Tony.. don't respond with the same old shit. You got slammed here
because you can't seperate gear from your emotions. You also are not going
to change Pinnacle's reputation by mouthing off on usenet.
>
TonyP
> oh.. who farted?
Was that you, or is your brain off gassing....
TonyP
> "TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
> news:bM3Sf.39$B47...@fe11.lga...
>>Not a disciple. Not even close. And I don't *love* any gear. Those are
>>your words, not mine. And yes, it does work for me, and very well. I know
>>you can't stand that thought, but hey, I did nothing special and it works
>>fine. On several different computers.
> No one cares Tony! No one disputes that YOUR system works..
You seem to. And yes, it works very well thank you.
>>I have yet to see you offer any constructive solutions to a Pinnacle
>>problem. Oh, that's right, you don't even use it.
>>Again... and I'll say this for you nappy, I send them to a place where
>>there is a wealth of help and information. You, well, we read what help
>>you offer. None.
> There is no help for people using Pinnacle gear. Most of them will give up
> on it eventually.. That's all we can tell them.
You are right. There is no help for Pinnacle gear from you. You don't
have the "savvy" to help. Rant. Yes. Rave. Yes. But no help will be
coming from you. Thanks for making that plain.
>>Keep dancing while I pull your strings.
> Tony.. you're simply not smart enough to pull anything.
Smart enough to keep you dancing....
TonyP
> "TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
> news:BJ3Sf.38$B47...@fe11.lga...
>
>>nappy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
>>>news:5WKRf.3653$9M3....@fe12.lga...
>>
>>>>Then take the hint for yourself. My replies aren't to the person with the
>>>>problem, it is to you. Someone that has not used the product, yet speaks
>>>>as an authority of it.
>>
>>>Man.. you truly are thick. If you're such an authority why haven't you
>>>solved a single Pinnacle problem here?
>>
>>Sort of hard to solve a problem that you have not personally experienced,
>>isn't it. So, what I do (and this is something that you don't do) is send
>>them to a place where they stand a better chance of getting help (help,
>>which is something that you don't do).
> you haven't done squat. The only time you post here is to defend pinnacle.
Gee.... I recommend those that need help to go to the forums. A place
where you have not been. A place where people share their successes (in
spite of your juvenile constant ranting about how Pinnacle doesn't
work), problems, and yes, sometimes total failures. But then, you can
read that in any NLE forum.
I don't defend Pinnacle. Have you become so blinded that you can not
comphrend?
>>>I know this might be hard for you Tony.. so I will patiently explain it
>>>again.
>>>I do have experience using Pinnacle products. It WAS a bad experience. It
>>>continues to be so for most Pinnacle users. You are the lone Pinnacle
>>>supporter in this NG. And you come off like a rank amateur.
>>
>>Err... what was the last product you claim to have used?? How long ago was
>>it? I said *current* products. Have you used DV500 (now legacy), Liquid or
>>Studio 8-10? No.
>
> Hey goofball.. I mentioned the products I used. And yes.. the DV500 was one
> of them.. Are you incapable of reading? Or understanding what you read?
> Why on earth would I even try another pinnacle product?
You did? Where. You mentioned about about trying to get some DC1000's or
something like that working for a friend. I don't remember seeing you in
the Pinnacle forums with your posted problems. I was there from v2.0.
> Yet, you have an opinion on them based not on
> actual usage, but what you have heard or experienced in the past.
> yes.. experience from the future is beyond my grasp as of yet... so it was
> experience in the past. and the constant stream of people who hate their
> shit. Please Tony.. stop and think for a minute and don't type. Just think.
The constant stream... where?? Because *you* couldn't get something to
work that others have makes it a bad product? Bad for you only. So when
someone says something positive, you insist that they are wrong and the
product still isn't good. It's good for me and many others. When you
sell the most, you'll have the most complaints for whateve reason. And
without going into detail (as is done on the forums), you aren't going
to get much help.
>>>I do enjoy pulling your chain though.
>>
>>>>Now SIT nappy, before I get a roll of newspaper to whack you on the nose
>>>>with.
>>
>>>You poor desperate idiot.
>>
>>Ahh.. but you are the one always replying. Now. Answer my above comment on
>>your current usage of a Pinnacle product.
> STOOOOOPID. I don't NEED to stoop to fighting with Pinnacle gear. I have a
> professional facility.
And I am soooo happy for you.
> Now .. Tony.. don't respond with the same old shit. You got slammed here
> because you can't seperate gear from your emotions. You also are not going
> to change Pinnacle's reputation by mouthing off on usenet.
Slammed?? By who, you? The one with no experience with Studio. No
experience with Liquid in any of it's versions. And you *say* you had a
DV500 that didn't work. Sure. Right. I'll listen to you for advice.
I state *my* positive experiences. You don't like it because it does not
fit into your little nitch of juvenile loathing for Pinnacle. That is
your problem, and you should get some help for it before it becomes an
all consuming obsession.
And, I will continue to post my positive experiences with Pinnacle
products, while I am sure that you will continue to "mouth off" about
your perceived problems with a product that is now legacy.
doc
congrads to whomever you are nappy si. would love to hve you write an
article for our group :o)
drd
"nappY Si" <an...@comments.header> wrote in message
news:KJOK1J7Z38786.5773611111@twistycreek.com...
>> But they eventually get 'most' of the bugs out.
>
> Great!
>
>> The only problem I am currently having is the
>> 'crash' bug that it has.
>
> Lockheed used to make a commercial airliner called the Electra.
> The only problem it had was it kept on crashing and killing all
> the passengers and crew - but otherwise it was a fine aircraft.
>
>> The best thing to do is save after any major edits.
>
> The best thing people could do when travelling by Electra
> was to sit near a door and wear a parachute.
>
>> I solve that problem by doing my major editing in the album rather that
>> the timeline. If Studio does crash, those edits are saved automatically
>> when you make them, and no work is lost.
>
> Living in denial.
>
>> Your milage may vary.
>
> On an Electra your mileage did vary.
>
>
doc
drd
<xeagl...@att.net> wrote in message news:4412D7...@att.net...
> nappY Si wrote:
>
>> The best thing people could do when travelling by Electra
>> was to sit near a door and wear a parachute.
>>
>
> Personally, I would have sat in the rear of the Electra. I have
> never heard of a airplane backing into a mountain!
>
> And I have created at least 486 DVD's using Studio 9. How many
> have you made using all the other editing programs?
doc
with Studio Ver 9 in it? Or, my extra Studio 9 disk and license?
drd
"Gordon Abbot" <gab...@mmo.net> wrote in message
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> xeagl...@att.net wrote:
>> justin case wrote:
>>
>>>"TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
>>>news:CCYPf.39$Tu1...@fe12.lga...
>>>
>>>>But you will hear about the complaints more than the successes.
>>>
>>>Still trying to defend a train wreck?
>>>
>>>nappy
>>
>>
>> I guess I will jump in here. I am still using the last update to Studio
>> 9. It had all the problems that everyone is having with Studio 10. Yes,
>> Studio is a piece of crap for most people, and I have experienced
>> most of the problems that everyone complains about at one time or
>> another. But they eventually get 'most' of the bugs out.
>>
>> However, I still use it every day, and love it. The only problem I am
>> currently having is the 'crash' bug that it has. The best thing to do
>> is save after any major edits. The only problem is that is when Studio
>> like to crash.
>>
>> I solve that problem by doing my major editing in the album rather that
>> the timeline. If Studio does crash, those edits are saved automatically
>> when you make them, and no work is lost. Your milage may vary.
>> Bill
>
> I have Ulead, Sony, Nero, NTI, Adobe, VDub, and other video editing
> software on my computer and all work fine. I have an older version of
> Pinnacle in the box after trying to make it work.
>
> I have been helping a friend who foolishly bought 10.5 and it refused to
> load. Got him through that, but it takes forever to boot and crashes
> often. I bought Adobe Premier Elements for him so he can get through a
> project.
>
> Reading the defenders here, so to make 10.5 work, all you need to do is do
> a clean install of windows and have no other programs on your machine and
> you are fine? Talk about arrogance. None of my other editing programs have
> caused the problems Pinnacle has. Even a beta of most software is fairly
> stable. 10.5 is worse than a beta. Just Google it and you will see the
> problems people have with it.
doc
comparison to all the rest you listed. :o)
doc
support and are required by our employer to "log" every task and event. i
personally logged 114 hours on studio 9 installs, reboots, clean reboots,
pinnacle installed software and direct links, and when my boss saw the log,
he had to order a new head because his went high over mount st. helen's. he
took the first of three discs and literrally broke it in my presents and
tore the box in about 17 or so pieces (i didn't actually count them, just
scooped them up and tossed them along wit the broken plastic and fall out
from the studio 9 disc) that's how we ended up with two brand new copies
(the AV/DV one) and the lone disc and license that i bet i could get them to
unload on someone reeeeeeeeeeeeeeel cheap :o)
o, can't sell the third one though because it's probably crashing a land
fill somewhere.
drd
"Steve Guidry" <steve...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> Reading the defenders here, so to make 10.5 work, all you need to do is
>> do a clean install of windows and have no other programs on your machine
>> and you are fine? Talk about arrogance. None of my other editing
>> programs have caused the problems Pinnacle has.
>
> No, that didn't even work for my DV500. After 2 tries on my own with
> clean
> installs, I decided to do it right. So I did another clean install, and
> then called Pinnacle tech support. After about 3 hours on the call, they
> were stumped as well. And this was with a machine that was on their
> "approved systems" list.
>
> It's on the shelf. Never again for me . . .
>
> Steve
>
>
doc
the latest version resolves some of the known issues. 6 has been a great
product for us and we don't want to mess it up. got some input?
drd
"TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
news:voKQf.807$Gb4...@fe10.lga...
> justin case wrote:
>
>> Let's assume I was in a position where I was searching for a cheap
>> editing app. I would do some research first. If I did any research on how
>> people felt about Pineapple gear and what they were experiencing I would
>> be
>> scared away from the product. But since I have used their gear, DV500,
>> DC2000, DC1000, and seen countless people in Pineapple Hell come through
>> this NG in the last whatever, 5 or 6 years I don't think it would make
>> sense
>> that I would be using it. Would it Tony? Savvy?
>
> No doubt that v10.x of Studio was a bomb. I even said that. There was a
> "cheap" upgrade price for me that I turned down. Too many people with
> problems. Sure. Do the research yourself. As I have stated before, you can
> go into *any* forum and read about problems and disasters. Does that mean
> you stay away from the product? If that were the case, most of us wouldn't
> be using Windows. Yet, we still do in spite of it's short comings. As for
> *your* experiences, they are yours, just as *mine* are mine. I have very
> positive results with Pinnacle. Many have. And there aer those that have
> not. I have posted my experience with Matrox, yet, you don't see me
> bashing the product because *I* could not get it to work. It was apparent
> in their forum that there were happy people using it with no problem.
> Why you invested so much money in Pinnacle if you were having so many
> problems is beyond me. Speaks volumes for you.
>
>> You are one of the rare.. Actually maybe the ONLY vociferous defender of
>> Pinnaple gear I have ever seen here. makes you a rare bird Tony.
>
> Not a defender of anything. Just putting my experiences in there along
> with the rest. But is seems that that is unacceptable to a lot of people.
> All they want to see is negative experiences. All you would have to do is
> go the the Liquid forums and reas for yourself. Same with Premiere,
> Canopus, etc.. You will read the same type of stories. Successes and
> problems. Pinnacle (since it isn't bundled as Premiere is) Studio has sold
> more software.
> I liked Premiere 6.5, but after the learning curve of Liquid, I can't go
> back. Now, using Avid Liquid with pretty good success as are many others.
>
doc
first get rid of the mac's (G5's) and that alone was a god send. all that
proprietary crap just got under our skin until we felt like we needed to
bend over if we needed anything from apple/mac. so, we went pc and simple
"all in one solution" to Liquid and then to Avid Xpress Pro and all our
worries went away. my 2 or 3 cents.
drd
"justin case" <gos...@yourself.com> wrote in message
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> "TonyP" <arpi...@hooptown.net> wrote in message
> news:voKQf.807$Gb4...@fe10.lga...
>> justin case wrote:
>
>> Why you invested so much money in Pinnacle if you were having so many
>> problems is beyond me. Speaks volumes for you.
>
> Oh.. go fuck yourself you idiot. NONE of it was my money. I was pulling
> people out of jams who were trying to get work done for their clients. I
> have been using Premiere since before Version 4. Along with the Avid and
> FCP rigs around here. I don't play with toys. You really have to stop
> trying to get personal about Pinnacle gear. Makes you look bad you
> dumbshit.
>
TonyP
> Tony, how do you like AL7? we're thinking of updating but waiting to see if
> the latest version resolves some of the known issues. 6 has been a great
> product for us and we don't want to mess it up. got some input?
SmartSound was one of the most requested features, and it was
implemented. With the addition of Commotion compositing (yeah, some of
it is dated), along with some fixes, I figured I would take the plunge.
I also have 6.1 install right along with it. The both work fine on the
same computer.
My system is fairly stable to begin with (I built it). I have not had
major problems with Premiere6-6.5, DV500, Studio 8-9Plus. The same with
AL7. There has been a SP2 update that is recommended even if you have
not experienced the problems that it is to fix.
I have dabbled a bit with AL, while still doing work with 6.1Pro. It
works and I am happy with it. Avid says they are committed to AL. That
is another reason why I upgraded. For me, it wasn't quite the full
revision number, but it is close.
Rick Merrill
Can you tell me more about 'SmartSound' (url?)?
Rick Merrill
Can you tell me more about 'SmartSound' (url?)?
Matthew Zodrow
danielw...@yahoo.co.uk
and unstable. I listened to one guy's advice and downloaded adobe's
premiere elements 2.0. Works a treat and does all I need to do. I don't
understand how pinnacle can survive with such a poor software....
Daniel
GMAN
>I guess this wouldn't be the right place to offer FOR SALE my Studio AV/DV
>with Studio Ver 9 in it? Or, my extra Studio 9 disk and license?
>
>drd
>
how much????
TonyP
> TonyP wrote:
>> SmartSound was one of the most requested features, and it was
>> implemented. With the addition of Commotion compositing (yeah, some of
>> it is dated), along with some fixes, I figured I would take the
>> plunge. I also have 6.1 install right along with it. The both work
>> fine on the same computer.
>> My system is fairly stable to begin with (I built it). I have not had
>> major problems with Premiere6-6.5, DV500, Studio 8-9Plus. The same
>> with AL7. There has been a SP2 update that is recommended even if you
>> have not experienced the problems that it is to fix.
>> I have dabbled a bit with AL, while still doing work with 6.1Pro. It
>> works and I am happy with it. Avid says they are committed to AL. That
>> is another reason why I upgraded. For me, it wasn't quite the full
>> revision number, but it is close.
>>
>
> Can you tell me more about 'SmartSound' (url?)?
Smartsound allows you to edit music according the the video. You can
have any lenght of music with a front middle and end. You need 10
seconds? Easy. Need 1:30? Easy. Choose the style/format that you want,
put in the numbers and there you have it. A 44k wave file. All royalty
free music.
Here is a link to their site. Enjoy the visit.
http://smartsound.com/
TonyP
It is a common consensus that Studio 10 should not have been released in
it's current form. Patching and upgrading it to even make it stable is
something that the consumer should not have to do.
But, Pinnacle does broadcast along with pro-sumer. And now, Pinnacle is
owned by Avid.
Pinnacle (for what it's worth) was the most popular video software out
there. By miles. You have success stories. Horror stories. And
everything inbetween. I have had good success with Pinnacle. So have
others.