Burn from VOB files?
Terry Pinnell
it's now 22:01 GMT Saturday), but I've forgotten how to do something
that I'm sure I should know. I have a DVD made (not by me) from a Sky+
TV recording). But it won't open on either my standalone DVD player or
on my PC. However, to my surprise, I was able to use Isobuster to
'extract' its two VOB files. Successfully, because I can play those in
various players, like PowerDVD etc. But how do I now make a DVD from
those please? I have TDA 1.6, Magix Movie Edit Pro 15 Plus, Womble DVD
Wizard, VideoRedo, Image Burner...
--
Terry, East Grinstead, UK
Brian
It's Goggle (www.gioogle.com)to the rescue in these situations
Try this site
http://www.isobuster.com/tips.php?tips_page=4
Regards Brian
Frank
in article <Re: Burn from VOB files?>,
Brian <bcl...@es.co.nz> wrote:
Terry, when you've completed all of the steps described on the above
Web page, my suggestion for what to do next is as follows:
Go get a copy of ImgTool Classic 0.91.7 from the following URL.
http://coujo.crion.de/Classic_0.91.7.zip
Then run ImgTool Classic 0.91.7. It will read in the AUDIO_TS and
VIDEO_TS directories from your hard disk drive (that you created by
following the instructions on the IsoBuster tips page) and create an
.iso file for you.
The next and final step is to use ImgBurn to burn your DVD-Video disc
from the .iso file that ImgTool Classic 0.91.7 created for you.
Good luck! Just for reference, I've used this procedure more than once
to create DVDs and it has always worked flawlessly for me.
--
Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
[Please remove 'nojunkmail.' from address to reply via e-mail.]
Read Frank's thoughts on HDV at http://www.humanvalues.net/hdv/
(also covers AVCHD and XDCAM EX).
Ken Maltby
"Terry Pinnell" <terr...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> Probably because I'm on a rushed deadline (i.e. within next 12 hours -
> it's now 22:01 GMT Saturday), but I've forgotten how to do something
> that I'm sure I should know. I have a DVD made (not by me) from a Sky
> on my PC. However, to my surprise, I was able to use Isobuster to
> 'extract' its two VOB files. Successfully, because I can play those in
> various players, like PowerDVD etc. But how do I now make a DVD from
> those please? I have TDA 1.6, Magix Movie Edit Pro 15 Plus, Womble DVD
> Wizard, VideoRedo, Image Burner...
>
> --
> Terry, East Grinstead, UK
I take it TDA 1.6 won't extract the DVD using the "Add DVD video"
button. The same for VideoReDo on the DVD or the .vob files to
create good .mpg files for TDA?
Did IsoBuster show AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS folders in the
box on the right? or was it just a list of files, your .vobs?
If the VIDEO_TS folder was shown, did you try extracting that?
If you can extract the folder, try TDA's "Add DVD video" button on
that.
Luck;
Ken
Terry Pinnell
Brian, Frank, Ken:
Thanks guys, appreciate the fast replies. I'm up early to tackle this.
I've never used IsoBuster enough to get comfortable with it, so it's
possible that when I hastily used it to get those extracts I didn't
complete the procedure correctly. Because I now see that all I have in
C:\Docs\My Videos\IsoBuster Extracts are:
AUDIO_TS
Track 01.tao
VTS_01_1.VOB
VTS_01_2.VOB
No VIDEO_TS. So ImgTool wouldn't work.
And TDA couldn't use Add Video. It did accept VTS_01_1.VOB (1024 MB)
but for VTS_01_2.VOB (570 MB) it gave its red message:
'This is an illegal video file.'
So I'm now looking at those IsoBuster instructions. Wow - that looks
complicated. And means I need to get those extra two programs IfoEdit
and VOBEdit. Reckon I'll have breakfast first and then have another
crack at the IsoBuster extraction. As a last resort, guess I'll just
have to step through all those complex steps ;-(
Terry Pinnell
Possibly good news! Seconds after hitting the Send key I realised I'd
not tried Ken's other suggestion, VideoRedo. That looks like it's
accepted *both* VOBs ;-)
I'll work further on that and report back if/when I end up with a new
DVD. I suppose I could find that it still won't play the entire
VTS_01_2.VOB and/or will fail at some later hurdle when I try saving,
but looks promising.
BTW, is VideoRedo noted for being more tolerant in this way?
Frank
in article <Re: Burn from VOB files?>,
I've never used VideoRedo, so I can't answer that question for you,
but there are lots of other programs that will play .vob files. I'm
sure that you have a few of them. I would try playing just the second
.vob file to see whether it will play to completion without error. If
it does, then I think that you're basically in good shape as far as
completing this project is concerned.
OTOH, you stated in the post that began this thread that the disc in
question was a television recording not made by you. I'm wondering,
given that there may be a problem with the second .vob file, whether
perhaps the recording device was turned off prematurely, or the disc
was removed from the recording device prematurely, or the disc needs
to be finalized, or something along those lines. If that's the case,
you'll probably want to perform a test/repair operation on that second
.vob file before proceeding further.
The steps described on that IsoBuster help Web page aren't as complex
as you might think. Really. You can do it. And using ImgTool Classic
0.91.7 to create the .iso file is simplicity itself. Then all that you
have to do is burn the .iso file with ImgBurn (which reminds me that I
should update; I'm still running 2.4.2.0 and 2.5.0.0 is current).
Good luck!
Terry Pinnell
Thanks Frank. You must be up late?
The VideoRedo render appeared to work fine, so I was all set to report
success. But on importing it into TDA 1.6 I got an unfamiliar error
message:
'You cannot use 16:9 video aspect ratio for resolution 352x576.
You can only use this aspect ratio for the following resolutions.
704x480 720x480 pixels (NTSC format only)
704x576 720x576 pixels (PAL format only)'
Pressing 'Details' added:
'The video aspect ratio 16:9 cannot be used with the resolution
AAAxBBB.
This aspect ratio can only be used with the following resolutions:
704x480 720x480 pixels (NTSC format only)
704x576 720x576 pixels (PAL format only)
For a DVD standard, only the above-mentioned resolutions are allowed
for 16:9.
Using other resolutions will result in nonstandard DVD and we cannot
guarantee that they will play correctly on your DVD player.
When you make a nonstandard DVD, whether it will be playable on your
DVD player differs from the various brands of DVD players.
You should check which resolutions your DVD player supports before
making nonstandard DVD-Videos.'
Now, I'm definitely going to breakfast!
(I will for sure tackle that IsoBuster method, but ideally not when
I'm in such a hurry.)
Ken Maltby
"Frank" <fr...@nojunkmail.humanvalues.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:30:43 ?, in 'rec.video.desktop',
VideoReDo is very tolerant and adaptable working with most
types of SD and HD MPEG 1&2.
> I've never used VideoRedo, so I can't answer that question for you,
> but there are lots of other programs that will play .vob files. I'm
> sure that you have a few of them. I would try playing just the second
> .vob file to see whether it will play to completion without error. If
> it does, then I think that you're basically in good shape as far as
> completing this project is concerned.
>
> OTOH, you stated in the post that began this thread that the disc in
> question was a television recording not made by you. I'm wondering,
> given that there may be a problem with the second .vob file, whether
> perhaps the recording device was turned off prematurely, or the disc
> was removed from the recording device prematurely, or the disc needs
> to be finalized, or something along those lines. If that's the case,
> you'll probably want to perform a test/repair operation on that second
> .vob file before proceeding further.
>
VideoReDo has a "Quickstream Fix..." function that might be
used on the second .vob file to make it more aceptable to TDA.
Ken Maltby
> Frank <fr...@nojunkmail.humanvalues.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:30:43 ?, in 'rec.video.desktop',
That sounds like what you might have from your original use of
IsoBuster, what do you see if you start IsoBuster then put the
DVD your DVD drive? That tells you what the structure of the
files are on the disk. You can then select from a number of ways
to extract what you want from the DVD disk.
OK, I think I see the problem, let me do a quick test and I'll
post right back.
Luck;
Ken
Ken Maltby
"Ken Maltby" <kma...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:u6-dnYCdK81x9lXX...@giganews.com...
I used VideoReDo to extract a 1/2 D1 episode .vob from an old
DVD and saved it as a .mpg using the option to change the
display aspect ratio to 16:9 from 3:4. I then tried that in TDA and
got the same error message you had. Next I opened the .mpg
in VideoReDo and checked the aspect ratio in the "Show Video
Program Info..." Tool. It was 16:9 and it was still 1/2 D1.
So I then had the same as the .mpg that your VideoReDo had
made from your 1/2 D1 .vob. Now all I needed to do was to use
the "Save As" option to change the aspect ratio to 4:3 and make
a new .mpg that TDA had no problem with.
This will let you make a DVD with 4:3 aspect video from what
you were provided, using TDA. I can go into how to get it to a
a DVD with 16:9 video, but I'll post this first, as you are in a rush.
Luck;
Ken
Terry Pinnell
Thanks Ken, really grateful for your detailed practical help on this.
I'll try that asap and report back.
BTW, my son's girlfriend recorded this, presumably from her Sky+ HD
onto a DVD recorder, but we can't contact her at present to check that
out. I don't know why it would be in that 'Half D1' format?
Frank
Yes, that's one way to put it. :)
But I'll be quitting in about an hour or so.
>The VideoRedo render appeared to work fine, so I was all set to report
>success. But on importing it into TDA 1.6 I got an unfamiliar error
>message:
>
>'You cannot use 16:9 video aspect ratio for resolution 352x576.
>You can only use this aspect ratio for the following resolutions.
>
>704x480 720x480 pixels (NTSC format only)
>704x576 720x576 pixels (PAL format only)'
>
>Pressing 'Details' added:
>'The video aspect ratio 16:9 cannot be used with the resolution
>AAAxBBB.
>This aspect ratio can only be used with the following resolutions:
>
>704x480 720x480 pixels (NTSC format only)
>704x576 720x576 pixels (PAL format only)
>
>For a DVD standard, only the above-mentioned resolutions are allowed
>for 16:9.
>Using other resolutions will result in nonstandard DVD and we cannot
>guarantee that they will play correctly on your DVD player.
>When you make a nonstandard DVD, whether it will be playable on your
>DVD player differs from the various brands of DVD players.
>You should check which resolutions your DVD player supports before
>making nonstandard DVD-Videos.'
>
>Now, I'm definitely going to breakfast!
Can't say that I blame you. I know _I_ wasn't expecting an aspect
ratio problem on top of you other problem.
>(I will for sure tackle that IsoBuster method, but ideally not when
>I'm in such a hurry.)
Okay, and again, good luck.
Frank
in article <Re: Burn from VOB files?>,
Maybe to get longer recording time on the disc?
Frank
in article <Re: Burn from VOB files?>,
> VideoReDo has a "Quickstream Fix..." function that might be
>used on the second .vob file to make it more aceptable to TDA.
MPEG Streamclip can fix certain errors as well, I believe.
Also VirtualDub (with the MPEG-2 codec installed) and
VirtualDub-MPEG-2, I seem to recall.
Ken Maltby
>
> Thanks Ken, really grateful for your detailed practical help on this.
>
> I'll try that asap and report back.
>
> onto a DVD recorder, but we can't contact her at present to check that
> out. I don't know why it would be in that 'Half D1' format?
>
> --
> Terry, East Grinstead, UK
Actually, 1/2 D1 is nearly perfect as a storage size for the old
SD TV analog video, when converted to MPEG 2. It holds all
the available data from the analog signal in a most efficient
compression format. It is also included in the DVD standard,
but, for the initial standard, only at 4:3 AR.
I don't know why it would be used with an HD source, if that
was where it came from. [ Sorta off topic; but I find much the
same benefits by using Full D1 as the storage and distribution
size for my 720p HD source video, in AVC/H.264.]
There appears to be three ways to make what you have
into a playable 16:9 video DVD:
1. You could re-encode the video stream into the standard
D1 size and set its display AR to 16:9.
2. You could use an authoring program that can author a
DVD using 1/2 D1 16:9 AR source video. (VideoReDo
TV Suite, for instance) Or the authoring app. of MEP should
do it, but I didn't try that out.
3. Would be to change the display AR flags in the .vob
files of an authored DVD, using the edit tools mentioned in
some of the other posts. ( It can be done but it is even more
of a pain that the steps mentioned for making a DVD from
.vob files. )
A fourth method is to just to use VideoReDo to change
the Display AR using the Save As option then save it as
a .vob. That can work, I just tried it, but I'm not sure how
it will play in most players. (It seems to work if the player
reads the AR from the header.)
Luck;
Ken
Terry Pinnell
-------------------------------------
It worked fine, thanks Ken!
Played on my widescreen TV the DVD was bordered by black at the top
and bottom as well as the sides, but presumably that's to be expected?
The actual quality was fine.
All the replies up-thread have given me a lot to think about and I aim
to do some more methodical experiments soon, now that I have the
immediate objective achieved.
Some questions fizzing around in my mind right now are these:
1. Is it normal that in some circumstances a DVD could not be opened
by Windows or various DVD player programs yet *could* be opened by
IsoBuster, as happened in this case?
2. Can I conclude that the originator of the source DVD has a 4:3 TV,
not widescreen?
3. Why would TDA accept VOB1 yet give an error with VOB2?
4. Do all DVDs really have these three different 'file structures'
(ISO, UDF and IFO) that I read about in those pages Frank and Brian
pointed me at?
5. I actually extracted all three sets, into respective folders:
Countdown IFO structure
Countdown ISO structure
Countdown UDF structure
But I used only the ISO VOBs for my imports into VideoRedo. That was
an arbitrary choice. Is there some rationale for choosing any one in
particular?
Frank
>Some questions fizzing around in my mind right now are these:
>
>1. Is it normal that in some circumstances a DVD could not be opened
>by Windows or various DVD player programs yet *could* be opened by
>IsoBuster, as happened in this case?
In my experience, yes, and it's one of the reasons why I have
IsoBuster. I also use it to confirm the surface condition and file
readability of discs that I burn, especially those that are being
delivered to clients.
>2. Can I conclude that the originator of the source DVD has a 4:3 TV,
>not widescreen?
That I don't know.
>3. Why would TDA accept VOB1 yet give an error with VOB2?
Again, not sure.
>4. Do all DVDs really have these three different 'file structures'
>(ISO, UDF and IFO) that I read about in those pages Frank and Brian
>pointed me at?
Well, .iso files aren't called ISO files for nothing, you know. :)
As in an ISO 9660 file system.
Or the UDF 1.02 file system used on a DVD-Video disc.
Think of these file systems as being different ways to access the data
on the disc.
Here's a reference for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDF_Format
Read the section entitled "Media".
>5. I actually extracted all three sets, into respective folders:
>Countdown IFO structure
>Countdown ISO structure
>Countdown UDF structure
>
>But I used only the ISO VOBs for my imports into VideoRedo. That was
>an arbitrary choice. Is there some rationale for choosing any one in
>particular?
ISO was just fine.
Glad to hear that you got your problem sorted out to your
satisfaction.
Ken Maltby
> On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:29:02 ?, in 'rec.video.desktop',
> in article <Re: Burn from VOB files?>,
> Terry Pinnell <terr...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>>Some questions fizzing around in my mind right now are these:
>>
>>1. Is it normal that in some circumstances a DVD could not be opened
>>by Windows or various DVD player programs yet *could* be opened by
>>IsoBuster, as happened in this case?
>
> In my experience, yes, and it's one of the reasons why I have
> IsoBuster. I also use it to confirm the surface condition and file
> readability of discs that I burn, especially those that are being
> delivered to clients.
>
I second that, and find that it is one of those essential tools
that might not get much use but having it there when you need
it, is worth twice what you pay for it.
>>2. Can I conclude that the originator of the source DVD has a 4:3 TV,
>>not widescreen?
>
> That I don't know.
>
I would think the opposite, but he/she must have a player
that can handle the slightly off standard video. The display
AR was set to 16:9 remember.
>>3. Why would TDA accept VOB1 yet give an error with VOB2?
>
> Again, not sure.
You could try opening the .vob files in VideoReDo and
compairing the Video program information. You could
use the "Copy to Clipboard" button then paste both into
the same .txt file.
>
>>4. Do all DVDs really have these three different 'file structures'
>>(ISO, UDF and IFO) that I read about in those pages Frank and Brian
>>pointed me at?
>
> Well, .iso files aren't called ISO files for nothing, you know. :)
>
> As in an ISO 9660 file system.
>
> Or the UDF 1.02 file system used on a DVD-Video disc.
>
> Think of these file systems as being different ways to access the data
> on the disc.
>
> Here's a reference for you:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDF_Format
>
> Read the section entitled "Media".
>
>>5. I actually extracted all three sets, into respective folders:
>>Countdown IFO structure
>>Countdown ISO structure
>>Countdown UDF structure
>>
>>But I used only the ISO VOBs for my imports into VideoRedo. That was
>>an arbitrary choice. Is there some rationale for choosing any one in
>>particular?
>
> ISO was just fine.
>
> Glad to hear that you got your problem sorted out to your
> satisfaction.
>
> --
> Frank, Independent Consultant, New York, NY
For working with it as a DVD extraction you could
use any of the VIDEO_TS folders (There should
be one under both the IFO and ISO types, there
should be a "+" to click on before the colored box.)
If you right-click on the "VIDEO_TS" you should
have an "Extract" option at the top of those listed.
The VIDEO_TS folder extracted should be one
that TDA can read. You shouldn't normally have to
work with the .vob files. The .vob files are meant
to only function through information in the .ifo file.
Luck;
Ken
Terry Pinnell
>
>"Frank" <fr...@nojunkmail.humanvalues.net> wrote in message
>news:s7chc552hr52fii12...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 14:29:02 ?, in 'rec.video.desktop',
>> in article <Re: Burn from VOB files?>,
>> Terry Pinnell <terr...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Some questions fizzing around in my mind right now are these:
>>>
>>>1. Is it normal that in some circumstances a DVD could not be opened
>>>by Windows or various DVD player programs yet *could* be opened by
>>>IsoBuster, as happened in this case?
>>
>> In my experience, yes, and it's one of the reasons why I have
>> IsoBuster. I also use it to confirm the surface condition and file
>> readability of discs that I burn, especially those that are being
>> delivered to clients.
>>
>
> I second that, and find that it is one of those essential tools
>that might not get much use but having it there when you need
>it, is worth twice what you pay for it.
In that case, I'm darned glad I had it to hand!
>
>>>2. Can I conclude that the originator of the source DVD has a 4:3 TV,
>>>not widescreen?
>>
>> That I don't know.
>>
>
> I would think the opposite, but he/she must have a player
>that can handle the slightly off standard video. The display
>AR was set to 16:9 remember.
But I thought it was 4:3? You do mean the original? This is what
MediaInfo reports for one of the VOBs:
C:\Docs\My Videos\IsoBuster Extracts\Countdown ISO
structure\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
General
Complete name: C:\Docs\My Videos\IsoBuster
Extracts\Countdown ISO structure\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB
Format: MPEG-PS
File size: 1024 MiB
Duration: 12mn 50s
Overall bit rate: 11.2 Mbps
Video
Format: MPEG Video
Format version: Version 2
Format profile: Main@Main
Format settings, Matrix: Standard
Duration: 12mn 49s
Bit rate mode: Constant
Bit rate: 10.1 Mbps
Nominal bit rate: 2130 Kbps
Width: 352 pixels
Height: 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio: 4/3
Frame rate: 25.000 fps
Standard: PAL
Colorimetry: 4:2:0
Scan type: Interlaced
Scan order: Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame): 0.420
Audio
Format: MPEG Audio
Format version: Version 1
Format profile: Layer 2
Duration: 12mn 50s
Bit rate mode: Constant
Bit rate: 256 Kbps
Channel(s): 2 channels
Sampling rate: 48.0 KHz
Resolution: 16 bits
Video delay: -776ms
Menu
Format: DVD-Video
>>>3. Why would TDA accept VOB1 yet give an error with VOB2?
>>
>> Again, not sure.
>
> You could try opening the .vob files in VideoReDo and
>compairing the Video program information. You could
>use the "Copy to Clipboard" button then paste both into
>the same .txt file.
Will do.
Thanks again to you both. This has been an education ;-)
Ken Maltby
Yes, that being the first .vob and it being 4:3, you have your
probable answer to your following question:
>>>>3. Why would TDA accept VOB1 yet give an error with VOB2?
>>>
>>> Again, not sure.
>>
>> You could try opening the .vob files in VideoReDo and
>>compairing the Video program information. You could
>>use the "Copy to Clipboard" button then paste both into
>>the same .txt file.
>
> Will do.
>>
Or you could just compare what MediaInfo shows for both
.vob files. Probably, vob1 is 4:3 and vob2 is 16:9, how that
could happen is beyond me, but it would explain your trouble
getting it to play.
I made a 16:9 DVD using MEP 14+, and it re-encoded my
1/2 D1 16:9 test .mpg to 720x480 (D1) to make the DVD.
I also re-encoded my test.mpg to D1 using TMPGEnc 4.0
XPress and made a DVD folder with TDA. It worked and
the 16:9 video played fine.
Luck;
Ken
Terry Pinnell
Very puzzling, but MediaInfo says VTS_01_2.VOB is also 4:3!
Ken Maltby
> "Ken Maltby" <kma...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Or you could just compare what MediaInfo shows for both
>>.vob files. Probably, vob1 is 4:3 and vob2 is 16:9, how that
>>could happen is beyond me, but it would explain your trouble
>>getting it to play.
>
> Very puzzling, but MediaInfo says VTS_01_2.VOB is also 4:3!
>
So at some point between when it was on the original DVD
and when TDA first saw vob2, it got changed to 16:9.
If I remember the sequence of events you described
correctly, there may have been other problems with the
extracted .vob files that VideoReDo corrected. It is also
possible that VideoReDo changed the AR for vob2, as
it is a program that can do that, in the list of those you
used to prepare vob2 for TDA. I have never had it do
such a thing without being told to, though.
You could go back through the steps you used and
this time checking both file's AR at each step.
Luck;
Ken
Terry Pinnell
Thanks Ken. I suspect user error - mine! But unfortunately I couldn't
keep the original DVD so I can't repeat the exercise more carefully.
All the VOBs I still have are 4:3 according to MediaInfo.
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lq
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Hope it helps
lq
Total Video2Dvd, is a nice dvd burning software