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Erik Johnson

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Jul 8, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/8/96
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I posted here a week or so ago about not being
able to get Miro DC20 to work. I've tried a lot
more since then...

only shows black window in both Premiere 4.2's
capture and Vidcap32 that comes with dc20 drivers.

i'm using Win95 (though get similar results in
NT with beta drivers)

got 1.4 drivers from website which got me past my
initial problems with 1.1 drivers

installs okay, tests out okay in config program,
looks to be okay in system and multimedia areas
of win95 control panel

Yes, the cables are plugged in properly and the
vcr works and my video source is set to composite
and NTSC. Yes, DC20 control is running. I've tried
all the possible check box combinations (all 4).

I can see the pass-through video on my tv connected
to dc-20 video out.

If I try to capture using either Premiere or
Vidcap32, it seems to work fine capturing the
black screen, but when you stop capturing it
reports something like "could not capture any
frames check vsynch interrupt" (not sure exactly,
my i'net connection and news is setup in NT).

The irq selected for the DC20 by my bios (Intel
triton chipset, ami bios) doesn't conflict with
any other cards. Originally at 15, I've changed
the pool of available irqs so it ends up as 10.

I've tried putting the card in different slots.

I've tried booting with plain vanilla vga drivers
in case video card (pci #9 Motion 771) had anything
to do with it.

In case it might matter...
DPT Smartcache III pci scsi controller
soundblaster 16
ne2000 compatible network card
48M

I've spent at least an hour on the phone with Miro
tech support 3 or 4 times... they tend to take the
position that if it doesn't work I'm doing something
wrong. Gets kind of annoying to have to spend a
number of minutes each call convincing them that
I've got the cables plugged in correctly and am not
totally clueless.

Also, does anybody out there use their DC20 in
conjunction with a #9 Motion 771? The last suggestion
their tech support could give me was to try a different
video card, and it will be a few days before I can get
my plain vanilla vga card back from a friend. The only
other suggestion was to get 1.3 drivers from their bbs
instead of using 1.4 drivers from web... I haven't tried
that *yet*, but it seems unlikely.

Any suggestions from anybody would be greatly
appreciated.

And can anybody recommend a card that competes with
DC20 in the same price range?

Argh. I long for a future when *everything* will just
work smoothly the first time for *everyone*.

-Erik Johnson
er...@phidias.colorado.edu
http://phidias.colorado.edu/vgallery.html

David Longley

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Jul 9, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/9/96
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Have a look at www.miro.com for their rather long trouble shooting guide.
It *may* be a RAM conflict. I only know how to check that out under W95.

My DC20 default to IRQ9/2.....
--
David Longley

Rob Phillips

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Jul 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/10/96
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Erik,

Welcome to the growing club of disgruntled DC20 users!!! I too have problems
with my system, mainly random "freezing" or jerking during playback of
AVI's after 2 to 3 minutes. I have called Miro at least 6 times!

I have tried everything suggested to me. Nothing helped. Spent 1 hr on the
phone with Microsoft today. It is not Win95, verfied by disabling DC20 in
Win95 and recreating AVI using Intel 1[32] in Premiere. Plays back fine to
the PC monitor. Put Miro back in the system and problems begin.

I cannot offer you any real help, other than I blasted Miro Tech. Support
today. I explained what I did, and he says "Well, I can see how you would
assume that the DC20 or the drivers are causing the problems but it most
likely is something else". YEA RIGHT!!!!

Anyway, the DC20 is going back to Miro for an exchange. He said it may be a
bad board??? I doubht it. If the new one dosen't work, I am demanding my money
back and will look for something new.

I am fed up with Miro support, and as you, I got the opinion they think
everyone that calls couldn't find the power switch on their PC!!

All I can suggest is to raise some hell, and send it back!! They told me they
have very few complaints, and I know this is not true based on the complaints
I have seen all over the net.

Check out these sites for more info. on desktop video cards, forums etc. The
first one is excellent!!

http://www.cris.com/~videoguy/
http://www.videomaker.com/

Good luck! Rob

----------------------------------------------------
Rob Phillips rphi...@dreamscape.com
http://www.dreamscape.com/hotrod/
"Do not follow where the path may lead..............
Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail"
----------------------------------------------------

tpe...@pcmvisual.com

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Jul 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/10/96
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I wasn't going to say anything about Miro's tech support here in the U.S. since my card is working well enough.
But on two of three occasions when I called for help one of their technicians fed me the snotty treatment. His
attitude was that any problem or lack of performance with my DC20 was due to other components, drivers or my
incompetance. The card's performace is questionable and the level of tech support (atleast from this one tech)
does little to improve the Miro reputation.

Myron B. Achtman

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Jul 11, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/11/96
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>Welcome to the growing club of disgruntled DC20 users!!! I too have problems
>with my system, mainly random "freezing" or jerking during playback of
>AVI's after 2 to 3 minutes. I have called Miro at least 6 times!

>I cannot offer you any real help, other than I blasted Miro Tech. Support

>today. I explained what I did, and he says "Well, I can see how you would
>assume that the DC20 or the drivers are causing the problems but it most
>likely is something else". YEA RIGHT!!!!

Thank goodness for newsgroups. I was seriously thinking about getting
a MIRO DC20 as a secondary non-linear editor (NLE). Our primary NLE is
the AMIGA-based Video Toaster Flyer from NewTek which is awesome. With
all the negative feedback I've seen on MIRO, I will certainly look at
alternatives for my PC-based platform.


Myron B. Achtman
Vice President
ADITA Video Inc.

email: ad...@adita.com

Visit us at http://www.adita.com


Rolf Ernst

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Jul 12, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/12/96
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On Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:02:12 -0700, tpe...@pcmvisual.com wrote:

>I wasn't going to say anything about Miro's tech support here in the U.S. since my card is working well enough.
>But on two of three occasions when I called for help one of their technicians fed me the snotty treatment. His
>attitude was that any problem or lack of performance with my DC20 was due to other components, drivers or my
>incompetance. The card's performace is questionable and the level of tech support (atleast from this one tech)
>does little to improve the Miro reputation.
>
>Rob Phillips wrote:
>>
>> Erik,
>>

>> Welcome to the growing club of disgruntled DC20 users!!! I too have problems
>> with my system, mainly random "freezing" or jerking during playback of
>> AVI's after 2 to 3 minutes. I have called Miro at least 6 times!

I also (used to) have the board. Maybe (very few) people disagree, but
I basically think these guys are crooks. There are just too many
people that (like me) never got the board to work.Maybe a little extra
info to substantiate this:

For a couple of years they used to sell video cards. They no longer
do. They also don't or no longer sell monitors in the US. For a number
of their video boards they never supplied WIN95 drivers (PV 20, PV40,
PV20 AVI etc.). Something is fishy there ....
Regards

Rolf Ernst

Erik Johnson

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Jul 15, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/15/96
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Well, I've given up on Miro DC-20. I've tried everything under the sun short
of replacing my entire computer. All I get is black windows even though it
passes all its tests. Perhaps the card is defective, I just am fed up and
don't want to go through all this again.

I've had a lot of experience getting a variety of hardware to work, and this
is the first time I've failed. Which will make it harder to justify the huge
phone bill I'm going to get from my time talking to Miro tech support.

So, I welcome any recommendations of a card that is <= price of Miro that works.
I really just need to capture video for cd-rom playback and don't need the full
capabilities of the DC-20.

Tom Talley

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Jul 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/19/96
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In article <31EA78...@phidias.colorado.edu>, Erik Johnson
<er...@phidias.colorado.edu> wrote:

All I get is black windows even though it

Howdy Erick, Seems like I had that problem...you get the video recorded,
but then the clips appear black....the problem for me was that I had
selected the video output to go out the back of the card instead of to the
screen. It's been a while so I don't remember exactly which selection it
was, maybe print to video?....If you do that all works, except, none of
the data is saved in the clips and stuff...Good luck...I wound up buying a
mac...

Your Name

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Jul 23, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/23/96
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In article <31EA78...@phidias.colorado.edu>,
er...@phidias.colorado.edu says...

>
>Well, I've given up on Miro DC-20. I've tried everything under the sun
short
>of replacing my entire computer. All I get is black windows even though
it
>passes all its tests. Perhaps the card is defective, I just am fed up
and
>don't want to go through all this again.
>
>I've had a lot of experience getting a variety of hardware to work, and
this
>is the first time I've failed. Which will make it harder to justify the
huge
>phone bill I'm going to get from my time talking to Miro tech support.
>
>So, I welcome any recommendations of a card that is <= price of Miro
that works.
>I really just need to capture video for cd-rom playback and don't need
the full
>capabilities of the DC-20.
>
>-Erik Johnson
>er...@phidias.colorado.edu
>http://phidias.colorado.edu/vgallery.html

MIRO is guilty of having one of the ten worst product support systems I
have experienced in 12 years of computing.

They are also guilty of not advertising how powerful the system needs to
be to do real video editing.....at least a PENTIUM 133 with Ultra SCSI
wide and 32 Meg RAM is needed for SVHS quality. You can to CD-ROM
video with much less.

For the money, it is an OK card.....far less buggy that others I've
tried. I have a PENTIUM 120 with 24 Meg RAM and a 4 Gigabyte Seagate
Ultra SCSI. I could do the low resolution, compressed NTSC editing only
after moving to Windows95. CD-ROM Video resolutions are no problem.

Yes....MIRO buries the facts real deep in the poor manuals. They don't
seem to know a lot when you call (and have to listen to a bad rock radio
station while you are on hold).

Good luck to all that have the card! Of all the cards I investigated in
its class, the MIRO still was superior for the price category.

Bud Clark
charle...@mvs.udel.edu
University of Delaware, Department of Music

Jasmin Roman

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Jul 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/25/96
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> Rolf ErnstDitto! Still haven't gotten our DC 20 to work properly and their support
sucks whoppingly! First it was our graphics card, then problem with
driver (of course they recommended getting their card). Spoke to a few
dealers and very few have gotten the board to work properly, if at all.

tvtromso

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Jul 26, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/26/96
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Well....I must me one of the few who had no problems getting the
DC20 to work.Oh yes, I encountered a few problem at first, with
jerky playback and all that, but after adding some serious hardware,
(faster disks, faster CPU...)and consulting others who had the DC20 and
reading the tips&trics page on Miro's WEB-site, the problems
vanished. Here at Tvtromsoe Television, we're so now so impressed
with the DC20, that we will probably buy two more....

It works very well indeed, delivering crisp video at 6,2:1 compression
at 720x540 in 16bit Stereo. That's VEEERY close to the professional
BetaCam-machines we use here, at least after a generation or two.

My system:

P166 64MB RAM
Quantum Atlas 4GB Wide Scsi HD
Adaptec UW2490 SCSI-controller
Miro DC20
Turtle Beach Tahiti Soundcard
21" Panasonic Monitor.
ForA Digital TBC
Sony Trinitron Video Preview monitor.

Steve Kristiansen
TvTromsoe Norway

Rolf Ernst

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Jul 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/27/96
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The point is:

Using a board like the AV Master you get better quality video (1:4.5
compression in my case) with less hardware (slower CPU, slow HD).

Rolf

On Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:56:59 +0200, tvtromso <tvtr...@telepost.no>
wrote:

Regards

Rolf Ernst

Jasmin Roman

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Jul 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/27/96
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tvtromso wrote:
> "snipped for efficiency"

> It works very well indeed, delivering crisp video at 6,2:1 compression
> at 720x540 in 16bit Stereo. That's VEEERY close to the professional
> BetaCam-machines we use here, at least after a generation or two.
>
> My system:
>
> P166 64MB RAM
> Quantum Atlas 4GB Wide Scsi HD
> Adaptec UW2490 SCSI-controller
> Miro DC20
> Turtle Beach Tahiti Soundcard
> 21" Panasonic Monitor.
> ForA Digital TBC
> Sony Trinitron Video Preview monitor.
>
> Steve Kristiansen
> TvTromsoe Norway

what video graphics card are you using? Tried their tips & tricks.
What OS system? Glad you've gotten yours to work. Had no luck (since
late Nov. '95) getting it to work. Miro support has been useless. If we
can get it to capture (even with dropped frames) then I could tweak or
upgrade ram/hd or whatever to improve the capture quality but still no
luck. We've been to a few dealers, specialized computer configuration
shops, still no luck. John & George were the reps that gave us "tech
support" fr. Miro and they couldn't figure out what was going on.

Jasmin Roman

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Jul 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/29/96
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tvtromso wrote:
> My graphics card is a Diamond Stealth 64 Video VRAM. The entire thing
> is running Win95 and I'm using Premiere 4.2 for editing.
> What are your system specs?same graphics board using Win for Workgroups 3.11 & 4.0a Premiere. 120mhz
16mb ram. Miro's last return call indicated a problem with driver,
downloaded the driver from their site and still nothing. I kinda got the
run around from the reps I spoke with (and one was the tech mgr.).
Overall, even if we can get it to work with dropped frames and can work
on tweaking and upgrading my hardware/increasing memory I would be
somewhat satisfied. But, the driver won't even load. Most of all, I'm
disappointed with the service we received and the "intolerant" attitude
from the tech dept.

tvtromso

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Jul 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/29/96
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LBartone

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Jul 30, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/30/96
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I'm looking for someone experienced in medical animation to help with
about 4 minutes of animation for a surgery/lasar project. Email me.
Bartone

Ron van Wier

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Aug 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/1/96
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iva...@pacific.net.sg (Ivan Kok) wrote:

| ther problem is I can
| capture video very well but, it got drop frames when playback the
| captured video clips. This problem can be solved by increase
| the compression ratio when capture video, but the video quality......
| And there is another major problem that I can't solve for quite
| a long time since bought DC20, the audio delay, after playback
| the video for few mins, the video run faster than the audio!!!

| Although it can capture good video, it can't be a
| editing tools for me if I want to output back to video!!! X''(

| So I really want to know, how fast that my computer need to make it
| work!!!

Maybe your problem is related to software settings, what do you use?

I have a very much underpowered PC, only P90/16M + non-AV E-IDE disk but after
much fiddling around I found settings in Premier 4.2 to create a usable video.
I own a V8 camera and a VHS recorder so my quality expectations are not that
high.

One thing I did notice that the video player in Premiere seems to get out of
sync (video/audio) but the W95 mediaplayer doesn't.

Another one was that miro recommends 1/2 sec. interleave setting for
audio/video, on my PC 1 frame gave me a much better result.


Ron van Wier
------------------------------------------------------------------------
ronv...@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~ronvwier/

Ivan Kok

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Aug 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/1/96
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Hi Steve,

>Well....I must me one of the few who had no problems getting the
>DC20 to work.Oh yes, I encountered a few problem at first, with
>jerky playback and all that, but after adding some serious hardware,
>(faster disks, faster CPU...)and consulting others who had the DC20 and
>reading the tips&trics page on Miro's WEB-site, the problems
>vanished. Here at Tvtromsoe Television, we're so now so impressed
>with the DC20, that we will probably buy two more....

>It works very well indeed, delivering crisp video at 6,2:1 compression


>at 720x540 in 16bit Stereo. That's VEEERY close to the professional
>BetaCam-machines we use here, at least after a generation or two.

>My system:

>P166 64MB RAM
>Quantum Atlas 4GB Wide Scsi HD
>Adaptec UW2490 SCSI-controller
>Miro DC20
>Turtle Beach Tahiti Soundcard
>21" Panasonic Monitor.
>ForA Digital TBC
>Sony Trinitron Video Preview monitor.

May I know your previous system system specs that cost you problems
with miroDC20? And what problem was it?

Since I don't have any problem with setting up the miroDC20,
it is really "Plug and Play" (For me).

But until now, I still can't make it work, ther problem is I can


capture video very well but, it got drop frames when playback the
captured video clips. This problem can be solved by increase
the compression ratio when capture video, but the video quality......
And there is another major problem that I can't solve for quite
a long time since bought DC20, the audio delay, after playback
the video for few mins, the video run faster than the audio!!!

Although it can capture good video, it can't be a
editing tools for me if I want to output back to video!!! X''(

So I really want to know, how fast that my computer need to make it
work!!!

Here is my computer config now :


P133
32MB RAM
256K Pipeline Cache
Seagate 850MB and 2.1GB HD for programs
Seagate ST32550W Barracuda Wide-SCSI HD
Micropolis 4.3G AV Gold Fast SCSI HD
Adaptec AHA-2940W Wide-SCSI controller card
VideoLogic GrafixStar 700 VGA Card with 4MB Video RAM
VideoLogic MPEG Player MPEG Card
Turtle Beach MultiSound Montery Sound Card
Panasonic 574 4X IDE-CDROM
YAMAHA CDR-100 CD Writer
(Connect to the computer only when write CD ROM)
Apple 17' MultiScan Monitor

All running under Windows 95


Thanks!!

Regards,
Ivan Kok
Rock'n Roll

Regards,
Ivan Kok
Rock'n Roll


tvtromso

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Aug 2, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/2/96
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Subject:
Re: still can't get Miro DC20 to work...
Date:
Thu, 01 Aug 1996 20:29:52 GMT
From:
ronv...@xs4all.nl (Ron van Wier)
Organization:
familie van Wier
Newsgroups:
rec.video.desktop
References:
1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7


iva...@pacific.net.sg (Ivan Kok) wrote:

| ther problem is I can
| capture video very well but, it got drop frames when playback the
| captured video clips. This problem can be solved by increase
| the compression ratio when capture video, but the video quality......
| And there is another major problem that I can't solve for quite
| a long time since bought DC20, the audio delay, after playback
| the video for few mins, the video run faster than the audio!!!

| Although it can capture good video, it can't be a
| editing tools for me if I want to output back to video!!! X''(

| So I really want to know, how fast that my computer need to make it
| work!!!

>Maybe your problem is related to software settings, what do you use?

>I have a very much underpowered PC, only P90/16M + non-AV E-IDE disk
>but after
>much fiddling around I found settings in Premier 4.2 to create a usable
>video.
>I own a V8 camera and a VHS recorder so my quality expectations are not
>that
>high.

>One thing I did notice that the video player in Premiere seems to get
>out of
>sync (video/audio) but the W95 mediaplayer doesn't.

>Another one was that miro recommends 1/2 sec. interleave setting for
>audio/video, on my PC 1 frame gave me a much better result.


>Ron van Wier

Well, your systems really seems fast enough....Although I've heard
some complaints about the Seagate disk.....something about the
settings....check out the SCSI-conference on "comp.perhps.scsi".

This sounds more like a software problem...My problems were much
like yours...I was capturing just fine, but the playback was
jerky. Now, what I did (this may not work on all drives...) was
to: - adding the line "ForceLazyOff=C" (not a : after C)
- adding the line "VERIFY=OFF" in autoexec.bat
- Disabling all caches in Windows95...ALL...
- removing the PLUSPACK (!YUP)
- enable :Properties of MyComputer,
Filesystem,Errorcorrection....and clicking on
the lowest checkbox (sorry..have the norwegian
version of Win95...can't translate...)
- Disabling Virtual Memory in the properties of
mycomputer,Virtual Memory....

Now...after a reboot...the most amazing thing happended....I could
playback video in 6,2:1 compression, 16bit Stereo and it wasn't
jerky at all....Try this..and if it doesn't work, it may be due
to some of the problems people have experienced with the Seagate
harddisks.....although it's supposed to be AV-RATED.
In any case, check if you have turned on both the WRITE and READ
cache of your disk (with e.g. EZ-SCSI 4.0).
Also...don't connect more than one device to the "video" disk.
This could cause problems...

About your sync problems....As Ron Van Vier wrote, try using the
Windows Mediaplayer. I haven't had this problem myself, but I've
heard of it. I've heard of people who achieve better results both
in playback&sync when choosing the Properties of the video-file
and using the preview-button. Why I don't know, but try it out.
Also, try fiddling with premiere 4.2 interleave settings (I use
1 sec. interleave).


If you having problems to understand this rather goofy english,
please contact me by e-mail. It should be printed on this
posting somewhere....


Steve Kristiansen
TvTromsoe Television Norway

Ivan Kok

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Aug 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/7/96
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ronv...@xs4all.nl (Ron van Wier) wrote:

Thanks for you message!

>Maybe your problem is related to software settings, what do you use?

P133 with 32MB RAM and Micropolis 3243AV Glold Fast SCSI HD

>I have a very much underpowered PC, only P90/16M + non-AV E-IDE disk but after
>much fiddling around I found settings in Premier 4.2 to create a usable video.
>I own a V8 camera and a VHS recorder so my quality expectations are not that
>high.

>One thing I did notice that the video player in Premiere seems to get out of
>sync (video/audio) but the W95 mediaplayer doesn't.

>Another one was that miro recommends 1/2 sec. interleave setting for
>audio/video, on my PC 1 frame gave me a much better result.

I just make it work!! :)
I changed some setting which recommanded by other users here!
And it work, but still not very stable.

Now, I am going to check which setting that I changed to make my
computer work. Since I changed several things at the same time!

Ivan Kok

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Aug 7, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/7/96
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tvtromso <tvtr...@telepost.no> wrote:

>> Here is my computer config now :
>>
>> P133
>> 32MB RAM
>> 256K Pipeline Cache
>> Seagate 850MB and 2.1GB HD for programs
>> Seagate ST32550W Barracuda Wide-SCSI HD
>> Micropolis 4.3G AV Gold Fast SCSI HD
>> Adaptec AHA-2940W Wide-SCSI controller card
>> VideoLogic GrafixStar 700 VGA Card with 4MB Video RAM
>> VideoLogic MPEG Player MPEG Card
>> Turtle Beach MultiSound Montery Sound Card
>> Panasonic 574 4X IDE-CDROM
>> YAMAHA CDR-100 CD Writer
>> (Connect to the computer only when write CD ROM)
>> Apple 17' MultiScan Monitor
>>
>> All running under Windows 95
>>

>Well, your systems really seems fast enough....Although I've heard


>some complaints about the Seagate disk.....something about the
>settings....check out the SCSI-conference on "comp.perhps.scsi".

My Seagate was dead!!! :'(
Now I just left the Micropolis 4.3G and 2 EIDE HD.

>This sounds more like a software problem...My problems were much
>like yours...I was capturing just fine, but the playback was
>jerky. Now, what I did (this may not work on all drives...) was
>to: - adding the line "ForceLazyOff=C" (not a : after C)

Is the "C" represent the drive that I use for record the video?

> - adding the line "VERIFY=OFF" in autoexec.bat
> - Disabling all caches in Windows95...ALL...
> - removing the PLUSPACK (!YUP)
> - enable :Properties of MyComputer,
> Filesystem,Errorcorrection....and clicking on
> the lowest checkbox (sorry..have the norwegian
> version of Win95...can't translate...)
> - Disabling Virtual Memory in the properties of
> mycomputer,Virtual Memory....

>Now...after a reboot...the most amazing thing happended....I could
>playback video in 6,2:1 compression, 16bit Stereo and it wasn't
>jerky at all....Try this..and if it doesn't work, it may be due
>to some of the problems people have experienced with the Seagate
>harddisks.....although it's supposed to be AV-RATED.
>In any case, check if you have turned on both the WRITE and READ
>cache of your disk (with e.g. EZ-SCSI 4.0).
>Also...don't connect more than one device to the "video" disk.
>This could cause problems...

I didn't install EZ-SCSI 4.0, just let the Win95 handle all the things
for me!!

BTW, I tried to add VERIFY=OFF in AUTOEXEC.BAT.
And disable the read ahead cacha from system perfomance menu.

WITHOUT adding the line "ForceLazyOff=C" in SYSTEM.INI

Still use Virtual Memory, cause I don't have enough to use,
I have to switch on the Virtual Memory.

It work, I can't record 8:1 video and play it back without problems!!

The most thing surprise me is, I try to open some other program and
close them several times while playing back the video clip to make the
video drops frames. But no matter how I did, the audio still sync to
the video, even there are a lot of drop frames!!!!

As I remember, I tried this setting before, bur still cound't improve
the performance a lot!!

Don't know why this time everything work fine, I even can't make
it non-sync!!!
Strange, but it is good for me!!! :)

>About your sync problems....As Ron Van Vier wrote, try using the
>Windows Mediaplayer. I haven't had this problem myself, but I've
>heard of it. I've heard of people who achieve better results both
>in playback&sync when choosing the Properties of the video-file
>and using the preview-button. Why I don't know, but try it out.
>Also, try fiddling with premiere 4.2 interleave settings (I use
>1 sec. interleave).

I also found that, using other player is better than playing video
clip directly in Premiere!!!

But there is another problem came out, I found that I can't playback
video clip that captured by DC20 more than (around) 1G, even I
captured a video large than 1 G.
Eg. I tried to capture a 8:1 video clip with 16bit Mono 44.1K audio
for 14mins. File size about 2G.
After that I tried to playback the video clip, the player will still
at around 7min, if try to press the play button again an error message
will come out :

MMSYSTEM296 The file cannot be played on the specified MCI device.
The file may be corrupt, or not in the correct format.

What can I do for solve this problem is import the file into Premiere,
and use Make Movie to out the video clip to another file. Then this
problem can be solve. But must use "1 Frame Interleave" in the Audio
Output Options.
I tried to use "1 Second Interleave", but doesn't make any change,
the problem still there!!!

Any idea what's the problem?

>If you having problems to understand this rather goofy english,
>please contact me by e-mail. It should be printed on this
>posting somewhere....

Thanks a lot!!
Hope my poor english doesn't make you feel a lot of trouble!!! :)

Ivan Kok

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tvtromso <tvtr...@telepost.no> wrote:

>> Here is my computer config now :
>>
>> P133
>> 32MB RAM
>> 256K Pipeline Cache
>> Seagate 850MB and 2.1GB HD for programs
>> Seagate ST32550W Barracuda Wide-SCSI HD
>> Micropolis 4.3G AV Gold Fast SCSI HD
>> Adaptec AHA-2940W Wide-SCSI controller card
>> VideoLogic GrafixStar 700 VGA Card with 4MB Video RAM
>> VideoLogic MPEG Player MPEG Card
>> Turtle Beach MultiSound Montery Sound Card
>> Panasonic 574 4X IDE-CDROM
>> YAMAHA CDR-100 CD Writer
>> (Connect to the computer only when write CD ROM)
>> Apple 17' MultiScan Monitor
>>
>> All running under Windows 95
>>

>Well, your systems really seems fast enough....Although I've heard


>some complaints about the Seagate disk.....something about the
>settings....check out the SCSI-conference on "comp.perhps.scsi".

My Seagate was dead!!! :'(


Now I just left the Micropolis 4.3G and 2 EIDE HD.

>This sounds more like a software problem...My problems were much


>like yours...I was capturing just fine, but the playback was
>jerky. Now, what I did (this may not work on all drives...) was
>to: - adding the line "ForceLazyOff=C" (not a : after C)

Is the "C" represent the drive that I use for record the video?

> - adding the line "VERIFY=OFF" in autoexec.bat


> - Disabling all caches in Windows95...ALL...
> - removing the PLUSPACK (!YUP)
> - enable :Properties of MyComputer,
> Filesystem,Errorcorrection....and clicking on
> the lowest checkbox (sorry..have the norwegian
> version of Win95...can't translate...)
> - Disabling Virtual Memory in the properties of
> mycomputer,Virtual Memory....

>Now...after a reboot...the most amazing thing happended....I could
>playback video in 6,2:1 compression, 16bit Stereo and it wasn't
>jerky at all....Try this..and if it doesn't work, it may be due
>to some of the problems people have experienced with the Seagate
>harddisks.....although it's supposed to be AV-RATED.
>In any case, check if you have turned on both the WRITE and READ
>cache of your disk (with e.g. EZ-SCSI 4.0).
>Also...don't connect more than one device to the "video" disk.
>This could cause problems...

I didn't install EZ-SCSI 4.0, just let the Win95 handle all the things
for me!!

BTW, I tried to add VERIFY=OFF in AUTOEXEC.BAT.
And disable the read ahead cacha from system perfomance menu.

WITHOUT adding the line "ForceLazyOff=C" in SYSTEM.INI

Still use Virtual Memory, cause I don't have enough to use,
I have to switch on the Virtual Memory.

It work, I can't record 8:1 video and play it back without problems!!

The most thing surprise me is, I try to open some other program and
close them several times while playing back the video clip to make the
video drops frames. But no matter how I did, the audio still sync to
the video, even there are a lot of drop frames!!!!

As I remember, I tried this setting before, bur still cound't improve
the performance a lot!!

Don't know why this time everything work fine, I even can't make
it non-sync!!!
Strange, but it is good for me!!! :)

>About your sync problems....As Ron Van Vier wrote, try using the


>Windows Mediaplayer. I haven't had this problem myself, but I've
>heard of it. I've heard of people who achieve better results both
>in playback&sync when choosing the Properties of the video-file
>and using the preview-button. Why I don't know, but try it out.
>Also, try fiddling with premiere 4.2 interleave settings (I use
>1 sec. interleave).

I also found that, using other player is better than playing video
clip directly in Premiere!!!

But there is another problem came out, I found that I can't playback
video clip that captured by DC20 more than (around) 1G, even I
captured a video large than 1 G.
Eg. I tried to capture a 8:1 video clip with 16bit Mono 44.1K audio
for 14mins. File size about 2G.
After that I tried to playback the video clip, the player will still
at around 7min, if try to press the play button again an error message
will come out :

MMSYSTEM296 The file cannot be played on the specified MCI device.
The file may be corrupt, or not in the correct format.

What can I do for solve this problem is import the file into Premiere,
and use Make Movie to out the video clip to another file. Then this
problem can be solve. But must use "1 Frame Interleave" in the Audio
Output Options.
I tried to use "1 Second Interleave", but doesn't make any change,
the problem still there!!!

Any idea what's the problem?

>If you having problems to understand this rather goofy english,


>please contact me by e-mail. It should be printed on this
>posting somewhere....

Thanks a lot!!


Hope my poor english doesn't make you feel a lot of trouble!!! :)

Regards,

Axel Habermann

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Ivan Kok <iva...@pacific.net.sg> wrote:

[...]
: But there is another problem came out, I found that I can't playback


: video clip that captured by DC20 more than (around) 1G, even I
: captured a video large than 1 G.

[...]

AFAIK there is a limit on the size of AVI files, namely 1 GB.

Microsoft should be working on this.

--
Axel Habermann
ki...@buran.fb10.tu-berlin.de Fon:+49 30 45478986 Fax:4542296

Die Dateien, in denen die Programmdokumentation enthalten ist,
haben normalerweise die Endung ".c", -- Kristian Koehntopp

Ivan Kok

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Aug 10, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/10/96
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Hi,

>[...]
>: But there is another problem came out, I found that I can't playback


>: video clip that captured by DC20 more than (around) 1G, even I
>: captured a video large than 1 G.

>[...]

>AFAIK there is a limit on the size of AVI files, namely 1 GB.

>Microsoft should be working on this.

But how come I can solve it by import the file into Premiere and
export it to an other file?
The new file is also AVI format!!!
I always thought that is a problem from DC20!!!

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