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magic...@magicboxes.com

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Aug 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/24/98
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***We have included source code to the T2 on our website under the "Technology
Awareness" section ***

August 14,1998.


4-wire test chips for dpbb/cft descramblers are failing everywhere as cable
companies have become savvy to the default DSN used by T2s,RFTs, and the
QuickBOard/4-wire test chip.

We said that would be happening to T2 customers but it seems to be taking
out alot of DPBBs/CFTs with the 4-wire test chip. The end-users are getting
messages like "Your converter is disconnected" to Illegal Site code.

Magicboxes HAS NEVER developed a test chip which changes the DSN inside the
box to E0 BF 7F 3E. The E0 BF 7F 3E has caused customer problems throughout
the world.

To Dealers: As you spend upwards of $100US/CFT it would be a real serious
(and expensive problem) to cover returns due to the Quickboard/4-wire test
chip. We have a series of testchips which do not change the DSN and are very
system SAVVY. If you are looking for a solution to your area or a global chip
then contact us. We have developed special testchips for the UK, Ireland,
Hong Kong, and many high-secure areas.

We currently offer several different models:


3-wire for non CFT2200/ICFT2100 areas $8US ea/Qty 10

Solves: Channel map problems (snow holes from 53-61), A/B switch, instant
access


CFT2200 test board - NO SERIAL NUMBER ENTRY! Only type on the planet.
Supports areas WITHOUT changing DSN to E0 BF 7F 3E. DSNs are chosen after
"looking" at the areas packets. Box initialization is instant and area
information is collected over a couple of minutes rendering your box
"borrowing" a site code and happy DSN. This test board is unquestionally the
most powerful test board of its kind utilizing DUAL MICROPROCESSORS. These
modules work everywhere. Period. Check our website August 20,1998 for
complete specs. Please e-mail for samples. This board is a true "Data
Bridge".


Jim Borden
magicboxes.com

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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*** THIS IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT FROM MAGICBOXES ***

Jim, Since you are so fond of trying to bullshit people with technicalities :-

A 4 wire testchip is one in which the cable companies data stream is allowed
to reach the box via going through the testchip. This is used for multimode
commands / channel names / time etc. In order to stop the cable company
shutting down the box like any normal box, the testchip MUST FILTER THE DATA
TO REMOVE SHUTDOWN COMMANDS. THEREFORE IT IS IRRELEVANT WHICH DSN IS USED BY
THE TESTCHIP AS IT SIMPLY REMOVES ALL COMMANDS TO IT. Secondly WRT
"MAGICBOXES HAS NEVER DEVELOPED A TESTCHIP THAT CHANGES YOUR DSN TO E0 BF 7F
3E" If you change the DSN AT ALL YOU REQUIRE THE SERIAL NUMBER - THIS IS EVEN
STATED IN YOUR OWN LITERATURE (and is one of the few things correct). Yet you
continuosly state "NEVER USE A DEVICE THAT CHANGES YOUR DSN/NEVER ENTER A
SERIAL NUMBER". So what you are saying is your own products - if they exist -
actually start changing DSN's inside the boxes !

In article <6rqlpf$fo2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,


magic...@magicboxes.com wrote:
> ***We have included source code to the T2 on our website under the "Technology
> Awareness" section ***

YES BUT IT HAS A F^CKING GREAT ERROR IN IT ! IF ANYBODY TRIES TO USE THE DATA
STREAM YOU PROVIDE IT WILL DO NOTHING. BECAUSE YOU HAVE DELIBERATELY CHANGED
THE COMMANDS.

>
> August 14,1998.
>
> 4-wire test chips for dpbb/cft descramblers are failing everywhere as cable
> companies have become savvy to the default DSN used by T2s,RFTs, and the
> QuickBOard/4-wire test chip.
>
> We said that would be happening to T2 customers but it seems to be taking
> out alot of DPBBs/CFTs with the 4-wire test chip. The end-users are getting
> messages like "Your converter is disconnected" to Illegal Site code.

ONLY IF THE TESTCHIP IS STUPID ENOUGH TO NOT FILTER OUT THE SITECODES

>
> Magicboxes HAS NEVER developed a test chip which changes the DSN inside the
> box to E0 BF 7F 3E. The E0 BF 7F 3E has caused customer problems throughout
> the world.

FINALLY A BIT OF TRUTH AMONGST THE BULLSHIT :-
"Magic boxes HAS NEVER developed a test chip"... Period.

>
> To Dealers: As you spend upwards of $100US/CFT it would be a real serious
> (and expensive problem) to cover returns due to the Quickboard/4-wire test
> chip. We have a series of testchips which do not change the DSN and are very
> system SAVVY. If you are looking for a solution to your area or a global chip
> then contact us. We have developed special testchips for the UK, Ireland,
> Hong Kong, and many high-secure areas.
>
> We currently offer several different models:
>
> 3-wire for non CFT2200/ICFT2100 areas $8US ea/Qty 10
>
> Solves: Channel map problems (snow holes from 53-61), A/B switch, instant
> access
>
> CFT2200 test board - NO SERIAL NUMBER ENTRY! Only type on the planet.
> Supports areas WITHOUT changing DSN to E0 BF 7F 3E. DSNs are chosen after
> "looking" at the areas packets. Box initialization is instant and area
> information is collected over a couple of minutes rendering your box
> "borrowing" a site code and happy DSN. This test board is unquestionally the
> most powerful test board of its kind utilizing DUAL MICROPROCESSORS. These
> modules work everywhere. Period. Check our website August 20,1998 for
> complete specs. Please e-mail for samples. This board is a true "Data
> Bridge".

Just how incapable are your programmers if they can't program a simple filter
into a PIC ! Dual Microprocessors ??? next you'll be claiming twin 1Ghz
Pentium Zeon's.

Yet another lie. IF YOU CHANGE THE DSN YOU MUST USE THE SERIAL NUMBER. END OF
STORY. TO CHANGE THE SITECODE ALSO REQUIRES THE SERIAL NUMBER.


Every time you attempt this bullshit in future, I will expose your technical
lies.

John Wigley

magic...@magicboxes.com

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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Not even close, look below:

In article <6ruki5$5s6$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,


johnw...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>
> *** THIS IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT FROM MAGICBOXES ***
>
> Jim, Since you are so fond of trying to bullshit people with technicalities :-

Technicalities, NO, major malfunctions YES!


>
> A 4 wire testchip is one in which the cable companies data stream is allowed
> to reach the box via going through the testchip. This is used for multimode
> commands / channel names / time etc. In order to stop the cable company
> shutting down the box like any normal box, the testchip MUST FILTER THE DATA
> TO REMOVE SHUTDOWN COMMANDS.

Correct, it uses the default Jerrold DSN. The 4-wire boards I have seen allow
a hell of lot more commands through than that!

Static multi-mode areas DON'T work at ALL!


THEREFORE IT IS IRRELEVANT WHICH DSN IS USED BY
> THE TESTCHIP AS IT SIMPLY REMOVES ALL COMMANDS TO IT. Secondly WRT
> "MAGICBOXES HAS NEVER DEVELOPED A TESTCHIP THAT CHANGES YOUR DSN TO E0 BF 7F
> 3E" If you change the DSN AT ALL YOU REQUIRE THE SERIAL NUMBER - THIS IS EVEN
> STATED IN YOUR OWN LITERATURE (and is one of the few things correct).

No one of MANY things are correct. And, yes IF YOU DO OWN YOUR BOX THEN
PLEASE USE A SERIAL NUMBER AND MAKE IT WORK AS THE CABLE COMPANY DOESN'T HAVE
ACCESS TO IT.

People like you selling those fricking cubes T2,RFT changing the DSN and
promising no problems is the bullshit I am tired of.


Yet you
> continuosly state "NEVER USE A DEVICE THAT CHANGES YOUR DSN/NEVER ENTER A
> SERIAL NUMBER". So what you are saying is your own products - if they exist -
> actually start changing DSN's inside the boxes !

We sure do, but NOT IN SOMEONES RENTAL LIKE THE CUBES OUT THERE!


By the way, on our 2200 chip version we change the DSN without ENTERING THE
SERIAL NUMBER! Plug and play!

>
> In article <6rqlpf$fo2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> magic...@magicboxes.com wrote:
> > ***We have included source code to the T2 on our website under the
"Technology
> > Awareness" section ***
>
> YES BUT IT HAS A F^CKING GREAT ERROR IN IT ! IF ANYBODY TRIES TO USE THE DATA
> STREAM YOU PROVIDE IT WILL DO NOTHING. BECAUSE YOU HAVE DELIBERATELY CHANGED
> THE COMMANDS.
>

What error?????

I dumped that data DIRECT from a T2, no filtering, nothing... I didn't change
the commands. I don;t think you like the data coming out of the T2 to become
public knowledge!


Well, I'll call your bluff. Check my website out next week. You will see a
"T2.obj" file on it, and that will contain SOURCE CODE to the T2.

Anyone want to start CORRECTING the T2 code and start knocking them out?


> >
> > August 14,1998.
> >
> > 4-wire test chips for dpbb/cft descramblers are failing everywhere as
cable
> > companies have become savvy to the default DSN used by T2s,RFTs, and the
> > QuickBOard/4-wire test chip.
> >
> > We said that would be happening to T2 customers but it seems to be taking
> > out alot of DPBBs/CFTs with the 4-wire test chip. The end-users are getting
> > messages like "Your converter is disconnected" to Illegal Site code.
>
> ONLY IF THE TESTCHIP IS STUPID ENOUGH TO NOT FILTER OUT THE SITECODES


to illegal site code meaning OTHER ERRORS, LIKE -> E5, (address cleared).


Further, from the 4-wire boards I have seen either you have to cut the battery
(BAD - JUST LOST ALL THE OTHER FREQUENCIES THAT BOX USE TO SUPPORT)

or

(WAIT A LONG TIME FOR THE BOX TO CYCLE THROUGH CLEAR ADDRESS COMMANDS
(1.5hrs).

Ours takes a total of a few seconds for setup. And NO CUT BATTERY.

>
> >
> > Magicboxes HAS NEVER developed a test chip which changes the DSN inside
the
> > box to E0 BF 7F 3E. The E0 BF 7F 3E has caused customer problems throughout
> > the world.
>
> FINALLY A BIT OF TRUTH AMONGST THE BULLSHIT :-
> "Magic boxes HAS NEVER developed a test chip"... Period.


Nope, we have. We put out a cube this spring WHEN EVERY CUBE/TEST CHIP
DEVELOPER SAID "Its IMPOSSIBLE TO ADDRESS A 2200 WITHOUT A SERIAL NUMBER"

WE did it!

Were the only ones who did it!

The shit storm was flying for ther guys who were flogging the crap out there.


If I designed THE ONLY BOX to address a 2200 without a serial number then I am
sure you can see that design a test chip is second nature.

BULLSHIT. Site code changes do not need a serial number.

If thats the case then your 4-wire test mod can't even map the site code can
it????????


>
> Every time you attempt this bullshit in future, I will expose your technical
> lies.
>
> John Wigley
>

You forgot to discuss my price.

My chips do it the right way, for $8. in small quantities.

What is your test chip selling for???

Do you return all lost revenues to a dealer who uses your test chip in good
faith?

nospam

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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Really?

And exactly how would you know this unless you are a cable operated
sting?

You say you have NEVER sold a product susceptible to this problem,
then how else would you know "dpbb/cft descramblers are failing
everywhere"?

Ah, I see. All these people (you don't sell to) who's descramblers
have stopped working are calling you (where's that again?) and telling
you this?

I bet you used to be a used car salesman before this, huh? (Did you
throw away those white belts and shoes though?)

On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 03:13:51 GMT, magic...@magicboxes.com wrote:

>***We have included source code to the T2 on our website under the "Technology
>Awareness" section ***
>

Steve

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Aug 25, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/25/98
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Why are you 2 still playing with this garbage when most of the systems
are going digital? What a waste of time and money to play with the old
equipment that the customers can't use any more or at least not for
long!

johnw...@my-dejanews.com

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Aug 26, 1998, 3:00:00 AM8/26/98
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In article <6rurkf$f4a$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

magic...@magicboxes.com wrote:
> Not even close, look below:
>
> In article <6ruki5$5s6$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> johnw...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > *** THIS IS YET ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT FROM MAGICBOXES ***
> >
> > Jim, Since you are so fond of trying to bullshit people with technicalities
:-
>
> Technicalities, NO, major malfunctions YES!

What the hell does this mean ? I said you like to bullshit people with
technicalities, and you reply NO, You like to bullshit people with MAJOR
MALFUNCTIONS !!!

>
> >
> > A 4 wire testchip is one in which the cable companies data stream is allowed
> > to reach the box via going through the testchip. This is used for multimode
> > commands / channel names / time etc. In order to stop the cable company
> > shutting down the box like any normal box, the testchip MUST FILTER THE DATA
> > TO REMOVE SHUTDOWN COMMANDS.
>
> Correct, it uses the default Jerrold DSN. The 4-wire boards I have seen allow
> a hell of lot more commands through than that!
>
> Static multi-mode areas DON'T work at ALL!

Then you have very badly screwed the design of your testchip, my testchips
work perfectly in static multimode areas by configuring the box from an
intercepted boot sequence.


> People like you selling those fricking cubes T2,RFT changing the DSN and
> promising no problems is the bullshit I am tired of.

It is quite incredible that you postulate so often on how shit everyone elses
products are, yet MY PRODUCTS ACTUALLY WORK IN AN ALMOST IDENTICAL WAY TO THE
VAPOURWARE THAT YOU ADVERTISE.

BUT the primary difference being :

Unlike yourself I HAVE MY DESIGNS FOR BOTH CUBES AND TESTCHIPS IN REAL LIFE
ACTUAL USE BY HAPPY CUSTOMERS. AND I CAN DELIVER SAMPLES AND PRODUCTION
QUANTITIES NOW AS IN TODAY !


>
> Yet you
> > continuosly state "NEVER USE A DEVICE THAT CHANGES YOUR DSN/NEVER ENTER A
> > SERIAL NUMBER". So what you are saying is your own products - if they exist
-
> > actually start changing DSN's inside the boxes !
>
> We sure do, but NOT IN SOMEONES RENTAL LIKE THE CUBES OUT THERE!
>
> By the way, on our 2200 chip version we change the DSN without ENTERING THE
> SERIAL NUMBER! Plug and play!

Well done :) You've found the FD 49 load default logical address command, you
must be very proud. EXCEPT that if you try this on a CFT 2100 / 22xx you will
leave the box in ERROR E5 UNTIL you hit it with the SERIAL NUMBER in a FD 5F
load LA from serial number command.


>
> >
> > In article <6rqlpf$fo2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > magic...@magicboxes.com wrote:
> > > ***We have included source code to the T2 on our website under the
> "Technology
> > > Awareness" section ***
> >
> > YES BUT IT HAS A F^CKING GREAT ERROR IN IT ! IF ANYBODY TRIES TO USE THE
DATA
> > STREAM YOU PROVIDE IT WILL DO NOTHING. BECAUSE YOU HAVE DELIBERATELY CHANGED
> > THE COMMANDS.
> >
>
> What error?????

You PRICK you know damn well that the PPV activation commands :-

08 FD B0 LA LA LA LA

should read 09 FD B0 E8 LA LA LA LA
and 09 FD B1 E9 LA LA LA LA
etc. up to 09 FD BF F7 LA LA LA LA

You have made it obvious that you have tampered with the commands by CHANGING
THE LENGTH BYTE TO 08 from 09. There is no way by accident that this could
have happened.

Maybe someone else can verify this as I have never seen a T2. BUT THE COMMANDS
AS LISTED CERTAINLY WILL * NOT * ACTIVATE A CFT21/2200.

>
> I dumped that data DIRECT from a T2, no filtering, nothing... I didn't change
> the commands. I don;t think you like the data coming out of the T2 to become
> public knowledge!

I couldn't give a sh*t about the T2! I have never even seen a T2, and don't
ever want to. I agree with you that they are an extremely bad design - That's
why I developed my own systems from scratch.


>
> Well, I'll call your bluff. Check my website out next week. You will see a
> "T2.obj" file on it, and that will contain SOURCE CODE to the T2.

You can't even get the terminology right can you !
You call what is already on your website the "FULL SOURCE CODE" to the T2,
what you actually mean is that it is the output command stream.
The source code is the PROGRAM that generates that output stream.

>
> Anyone want to start CORRECTING the T2 code and start knocking them out?
>
> > >
> > > August 14,1998.
> > >
> > > 4-wire test chips for dpbb/cft descramblers are failing everywhere as
> cable
> > > companies have become savvy to the default DSN used by T2s,RFTs, and the
> > > QuickBOard/4-wire test chip.
> > >
> > > We said that would be happening to T2 customers but it seems to be
taking
> > > out alot of DPBBs/CFTs with the 4-wire test chip. The end-users are
getting
> > > messages like "Your converter is disconnected" to Illegal Site code.
> >
> > ONLY IF THE TESTCHIP IS STUPID ENOUGH TO NOT FILTER OUT THE SITECODES
>
> to illegal site code meaning OTHER ERRORS, LIKE -> E5, (address cleared).
>
> Further, from the 4-wire boards I have seen either you have to cut the battery
> (BAD - JUST LOST ALL THE OTHER FREQUENCIES THAT BOX USE TO SUPPORT)
>
> or
>
> (WAIT A LONG TIME FOR THE BOX TO CYCLE THROUGH CLEAR ADDRESS COMMANDS
> (1.5hrs).
>
> Ours takes a total of a few seconds for setup. And NO CUT BATTERY.

So what are you doing extracting the serial number from the CFT's ram, or
reading it from the remote control perhaps ?

YOU HAVE TO GET THE SERIAL NUMBER IN SOME FORM IN ORDER TO OPERATE YOUR
TESTCHIP IN THE CLAIMED MANNER OF DSN "HOPPING".

>
> >
> > >
> > > Magicboxes HAS NEVER developed a test chip which changes the DSN inside
> the
> > > box to E0 BF 7F 3E. The E0 BF 7F 3E has caused customer problems
throughout
> > > the world.
> >
> > FINALLY A BIT OF TRUTH AMONGST THE BULLSHIT :-
> > "Magic boxes HAS NEVER developed a test chip"... Period.
>
> Nope, we have. We put out a cube this spring WHEN EVERY CUBE/TEST CHIP
> DEVELOPER SAID "Its IMPOSSIBLE TO ADDRESS A 2200 WITHOUT A SERIAL NUMBER"
>
> WE did it!
>
> Were the only ones who did it!

Nope So have I, As said before the SourceCode to mine is actually for sale
here and now !


>
> The shit storm was flying for ther guys who were flogging the crap out there.
>
> If I designed THE ONLY BOX to address a 2200 without a serial number then I am
> sure you can see that design a test chip is second nature.

YES - If you designed a non SN needing cube then developing the testchip would
be easy. HOWEVER very few people in these newsgroups actually believe that you
have designed / manafactured / sold ANYTHING.

Lets end all these lies and accusations with some solid evidence.

Send me a sample of ANY of your products. I will take a look at it and report
back with an honest technical review. If your products exist I will gladly
apologise for accusing you of bullshitting, and will happily testify to anyone
else that you do exist for real.

Failing that let me order 250 of your UK testchips at the $8 price. I will
sell them off in one's to anybody interested on these newsgroups at the cost
price.

Now there is an offer you cannot refuse. Either deliver me the testchips or
shutup and go away !

YOU WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR NOT SELLING THE TESTCHIPS TO ME. IF YOU
CANNOT DELIVER THE CHIPS THEN I WILL HAVE PROVED YOU TO BE THE FRAUD WE ALL
THINK YOU ARE.

You will also be shit out of luck if you think you are going to give my name
to authorities if I buy these chips off you, 1) I don't have cable tv
installed in my house, 2) I am outside the legal juristiction of the USA. 3)
I require a signed contract that my customers will not use products I sell
for illegal purposes.

Here is my phone number +44 7010 700949 give me a call to arrange delivery.

You might get a few more orders if you tried giving your phone number away.
TOGETHER WITH THE FACT THAT YOU COULD THEN OFFER TECHNICAL SUPPORT, but I
don't suppose your great expertise covers evading fraud charges that your
clients are probably facing.

> > Just how incapable are your programmers if they can't program a simple
filter
> > into a PIC ! Dual Microprocessors ??? next you'll be claiming twin 1Ghz
> > Pentium Zeon's.
> >
> > Yet another lie. IF YOU CHANGE THE DSN YOU MUST USE THE SERIAL NUMBER. END
OF
> > STORY. TO CHANGE THE SITECODE ALSO REQUIRES THE SERIAL NUMBER.
>
> BULLSHIT. Site code changes do not need a serial number.


Go on then teach me something how do you set the site code without the serial
number, the only method I know of is to set it when you set the DSN in FD 5F
commands ?

prove you know another method, I'll test it, If it works then I'll acknowledge
you with full credit for it.

You can't claim it is a critical trade secret as it is not needed for ANY
thing in a decently programmed testchip or cube.


>
> If thats the case then your 4-wire test mod can't even map the site code can
> it????????

I simply remove it - like you would be able to do IF you had an active filter
in your chips.

>
> >
> > Every time you attempt this bullshit in future, I will expose your technical
> > lies.
> >
> > John Wigley
> >
>
> You forgot to discuss my price.
>
> My chips do it the right way, for $8. in small quantities.
>
> What is your test chip selling for???

I charge $2500 for the full source code to the ONLY automapping chip
available.

As compared to your testchips $8 for a long summer break in Club Fed.

>
> Do you return all lost revenues to a dealer who uses your test chip in good
> faith?

I've never had this problem my test chips / cubes NEVER have had a problem
once they were delivered to the customers in production versions. And NOBODY
has asked for their money back.

Like all developments there were a few bugs to start with but they were
reported located and fixed before ANY release versions were sold to the
public.


expectantly awaiting your response,

John Wigley

John

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Most of what he said is right. The 2200 light up, but you have to Cube them
first. The chip authorizes, accepts input, reads the site code, programs the
unit and lets info in for the Static Multimode changes, and blocks the
shutdown commands. Works very very well.

magic...@magicboxes.com wrote in message
<6s1vfo$93b$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Let me get this right.
>
>You built a test chip using only the smallest PIC family available
(12c509),
>it reads the data in REAL time, able to capture full boot sequences, able
to
>start dead 2100/2200 boxes instantly (without serial number), and drops
site
>codes, corrects channel maps, passes on channel data, date and time and it
>its spare time authorizes channels?
>
>
>The pic12c509 has only 41 bytes of ram, and without a crystal/resontator
runs
>at 4Mhz +/- 7% !
>
>From that your chip drops all site codes but site codes, but sitre codes
are
>ALWAYS sent with time update commands.
>
>So let's look at this:
>
>
>Your test-chip takes in the time command and strips its site code off and
then
>sends it out AFTER changing the packet length AND checksum. All in 41 bytes
of
>RAM , sending a receiving ALL packets coming and going, (while the next
packet
>is ramming in) and is able to update huge compressed commands on the fly.
>
>
>If your test chip does the above and I actually see it work (I will post
>before and after data streams), on a cft2200, and a cft2024 (just to be
>fair)then I will personally take my hat off to you and never post in this
>news group again.
>
>I however don't believe that you can (as you say):
>
>
>Fix 2200s with errors with serial number Fix 2014s (quickly, like 2
minutes,
>NOT 1 1/2 hours) with serial number Completely allow every time, date,
>channel information, multi-mode info to pass. Fix channel maps instantly
even
>if channel map changing is part of the security. Authorize all channels
Turn
>on dead boxes instantly
>
>in 1K of code and only 42 bytes of ram?? No way!
>
>
>Send a testchip to:
>
>Magicboxes - test chip challenge
>1402 Pine Avenue, Suite #63
>Niagara Falls, NY
>14301
>
>
>Just so you know, I will take an actual log of the datastream before and
after
>the testchip and report my findings using the resulting data.
>
>(I can not call your test chip a SCAM until I actually run it through real
>data. We'll see how this thing really fares.
>
>
>Look below for more info:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>In article <6s1csn$heg$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

>Interesting you have enough room in that 41 byte chip (thying to send ALL
>commands, redone) to capture, correct, resend commands all in real time???


>
>
>>
>> > People like you selling those fricking cubes T2,RFT changing the DSN
and
>> > promising no problems is the bullshit I am tired of.
>>
>> It is quite incredible that you postulate so often on how shit everyone
elses
>> products are, yet MY PRODUCTS ACTUALLY WORK IN AN ALMOST IDENTICAL WAY TO
THE
>> VAPOURWARE THAT YOU ADVERTISE.
>>
>> BUT the primary difference being :
>>
>> Unlike yourself I HAVE MY DESIGNS FOR BOTH CUBES AND TESTCHIPS IN REAL
LIFE
>> ACTUAL USE BY HAPPY CUSTOMERS. AND I CAN DELIVER SAMPLES AND PRODUCTION
>> QUANTITIES NOW AS IN TODAY !
>>
>

>So do I. What have I not delivered?
>
>
>I have made the ONLY PD-3 test module. I made the first cube utilizing
>compressed commands on a 2200 when everyone else thought a 2200 could not
be
>addressed with serial number. "Mega Genie", MVT.


>
>
>
>> >
>> > Yet you
>> > > continuosly state "NEVER USE A DEVICE THAT CHANGES YOUR DSN/NEVER
ENTER A
>> > > SERIAL NUMBER". So what you are saying is your own products - if they
>exist
>> -
>> > > actually start changing DSN's inside the boxes !
>> >
>> > We sure do, but NOT IN SOMEONES RENTAL LIKE THE CUBES OUT THERE!
>> >
>> > By the way, on our 2200 chip version we change the DSN without ENTERING
THE
>> > SERIAL NUMBER! Plug and play!
>>
>> Well done :) You've found the FD 49 load default logical address command,
you
>> must be very proud. EXCEPT that if you try this on a CFT 2100 / 22xx you
will
>> leave the box in ERROR E5 UNTIL you hit it with the SERIAL NUMBER in a FD
5F
>> load LA from serial number command.
>>
>

>Don't get smart. Thats an old fricking command. I refuse to use it. I don't
>use oit on 2200s NOR non2200s


>
>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > In article <6rqlpf$fo2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
>> > > magic...@magicboxes.com wrote:
>> > > > ***We have included source code to the T2 on our website under the
>> > "Technology
>> > > > Awareness" section ***
>> > >
>> > > YES BUT IT HAS A F^CKING GREAT ERROR IN IT ! IF ANYBODY TRIES TO USE
THE
>> DATA
>> > > STREAM YOU PROVIDE IT WILL DO NOTHING. BECAUSE YOU HAVE DELIBERATELY
>CHANGED
>> > > THE COMMANDS.
>> > >
>> >
>> > What error?????
>>
>> You PRICK you know damn well that the PPV activation commands :-
>>
>> 08 FD B0 LA LA LA LA
>>
>> should read 09 FD B0 E8 LA LA LA LA
>> and 09 FD B1 E9 LA LA LA LA
>> etc. up to 09 FD BF F7 LA LA LA LA
>

>There are TWO WAYS to activate PPV, if you knew anything at all about the
>Jerrold stream you would know that.
>
>I, in NO way, tampered with that data stream in ANY way. It was a complete,
>unedited, capture from a T2 from power to cycling.
>
>I put out the mega genie in January, and MANY 2200 test chips (my old style
>required a cube first) and NEVER USED your command above. In EVERY area it
>does PPV.


>
>
>
>>
>> You have made it obvious that you have tampered with the commands by
CHANGING
>> THE LENGTH BYTE TO 08 from 09. There is no way by accident that this
could
>> have happened.
>>
>> Maybe someone else can verify this as I have never seen a T2. BUT THE
COMMANDS
>> AS LISTED CERTAINLY WILL * NOT * ACTIVATE A CFT21/2200.
>>
>> >
>> > I dumped that data DIRECT from a T2, no filtering, nothing... I didn't
>change
>> > the commands. I don;t think you like the data coming out of the T2 to
become
>> > public knowledge!
>>
>> I couldn't give a sh*t about the T2! I have never even seen a T2, and
don't
>> ever want to. I agree with you that they are an extremely bad design -
That's
>> why I developed my own systems from scratch.
>>
>

>SO did I.


>
>> >
>> > Well, I'll call your bluff. Check my website out next week. You will
see a
>> > "T2.obj" file on it, and that will contain SOURCE CODE to the T2.
>>
>> You can't even get the terminology right can you !
>> You call what is already on your website the "FULL SOURCE CODE" to the
T2,
>> what you actually mean is that it is the output command stream.
>> The source code is the PROGRAM that generates that output stream.
>>
>

>You ass, I said next week! I am going to post REAL, .obj, I put up that
>Jerrold stream a few weeks ago!

>Damn right.


>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Magicboxes HAS NEVER developed a test chip which changes the DSN
>inside
>> > the
>> > > > box to E0 BF 7F 3E. The E0 BF 7F 3E has caused customer problems
>> throughout
>> > > > the world.
>> > >
>> > > FINALLY A BIT OF TRUTH AMONGST THE BULLSHIT :-
>> > > "Magic boxes HAS NEVER developed a test chip"... Period.
>> >
>> > Nope, we have. We put out a cube this spring WHEN EVERY CUBE/TEST CHIP
>> > DEVELOPER SAID "Its IMPOSSIBLE TO ADDRESS A 2200 WITHOUT A SERIAL
NUMBER"
>> >
>> > WE did it!
>> >
>> > Were the only ones who did it!
>>
>> Nope So have I, As said before the SourceCode to mine is actually for
sale
>> here and now !
>>

>Great, so is the quick board 4-wire. I don't see any dealers re-selling
your
>marvel.


>
>
>> >
>> > The shit storm was flying for ther guys who were flogging the crap out
>there.
>> >
>> > If I designed THE ONLY BOX to address a 2200 without a serial number
then I
>am
>> > sure you can see that design a test chip is second nature.
>>
>> YES - If you designed a non SN needing cube then developing the testchip
would
>> be easy. HOWEVER very few people in these newsgroups actually believe
that you
>> have designed / manafactured / sold ANYTHING.
>>
>> Lets end all these lies and accusations with some solid evidence.
>>
>> Send me a sample of ANY of your products. I will take a look at it and
report
>> back with an honest technical review. If your products exist I will
gladly
>> apologise for accusing you of bullshitting, and will happily testify to
anyone
>> else that you do exist for real.
>

>You want my best product yet?? You can't handle my best product. Take a
look
>at it:
>
>http://www.magicboxes.com/pz1.htm
>
>
>Dual processor, serious key cracking. Only one on the planet. And I mean
ONLY
>ONE to EVER crack it.


>
>
>>
>> Failing that let me order 250 of your UK testchips at the $8 price. I
will
>> sell them off in one's to anybody interested on these newsgroups at the
cost
>> price.
>>
>> Now there is an offer you cannot refuse. Either deliver me the testchips
or
>> shutup and go away !
>>
>> YOU WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE FOR NOT SELLING THE TESTCHIPS TO ME.
IF YOU
>> CANNOT DELIVER THE CHIPS THEN I WILL HAVE PROVED YOU TO BE THE FRAUD WE
ALL
>> THINK YOU ARE.
>>
>> You will also be shit out of luck if you think you are going to give my
name
>> to authorities if I buy these chips off you, 1) I don't have cable tv
>> installed in my house, 2) I am outside the legal juristiction of the USA.
3)
>> I require a signed contract that my customers will not use products I
sell
>> for illegal purposes.
>

>Why the hell would I give your name to the authorities?? No interest.


>
>
>
>>
>> Here is my phone number +44 7010 700949 give me a call to arrange
delivery.
>>
>> You might get a few more orders if you tried giving your phone number
away.
>> TOGETHER WITH THE FACT THAT YOU COULD THEN OFFER TECHNICAL SUPPORT, but I
>

>We don;t give our phone number away here for two reasons:
>
>I'm not painting a bullseye on my head for every anger cable company to
>attack.
>
>Things are different here in the US. A little more lax there in the UK.


>
>
>
>> don't suppose your great expertise covers evading fraud charges that your
>> clients are probably facing.
>

>What charges?


>
>>
>> > > Just how incapable are your programmers if they can't program a
simple
>> filter
>> > > into a PIC ! Dual Microprocessors ??? next you'll be claiming twin
1Ghz
>> > > Pentium Zeon's.
>

>First, our newest 2200 test chip does NOT use dual processors, our old one
>did. Im talking real filters, real time. Like I said let's see it.


>
>> > >
>> > > Yet another lie. IF YOU CHANGE THE DSN YOU MUST USE THE SERIAL
NUMBER. END
>> OF
>> > > STORY. TO CHANGE THE SITECODE ALSO REQUIRES THE SERIAL NUMBER.
>> >
>> > BULLSHIT. Site code changes do not need a serial number.
>>
>> Go on then teach me something how do you set the site code without the
serial
>> number, the only method I know of is to set it when you set the DSN in FD
5F
>> commands ?
>>
>> prove you know another method, I'll test it, If it works then I'll
acknowledge
>> you with full credit for it.
>>
>> You can't claim it is a critical trade secret as it is not needed for ANY
>> thing in a decently programmed testchip or cube.
>

>We do, all the time, its MY test chips priority to change the boxes site
code
>AND DSN to a real one in the system.


>
>>
>> >
>> > If thats the case then your 4-wire test mod can't even map the site
code can
>> > it????????
>>
>> I simply remove it - like you would be able to do IF you had an active
filter
>> in your chips.
>>

>We have better than that - we don;t remove it, we MAKE that box part of the
>system.


>
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Every time you attempt this bullshit in future, I will expose your
>technical
>> > > lies.
>> > >
>

>AN i'll expose your dreams.

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