RFD: rec.travel.cruises
John Davis
rec.travel.cruises (unmoderated) Travel by cruise ship
PURPOSE OF GROUP
This newsgroup is intended to serve as a forum for the discussion of travel
by cruise ship.
RATIONALE
Cruise ship travel, like air travel, is highly specialized and typically
does not have a lot in common with the topics discussed in the Usenet
newsgroup rec.travel. The high cost of taking a cruise makes a newsgroup
specializing in discussing the costs and relative merits of the various
ships and cruise lines very beneficial to people planning such travel. In
addition, the establishment of rec.travel.cruises would also benefit the
members of rec.travel itself in that it would reduce the number of postings
on rec.travel which already has a very high message volume.
CHARTER
Rec.travel.cruises is a forum whose purpose is to provide information and
support to cruise ship travellers. Discussion might include (but not be
limited to) the relative merits of the various cruise ships and lines,
ports of embarkation, ports of call, shore excursions, cruise ship
activities, cuisine, entertainment, cruise ship personnel, cruise ship
management and the future of cruise ship travel. Discussions related to
getting the best deals on cruises will be highly welcome. Such discussions
might include early vs. late bookings, money back guarantees, cruise
protection insurance, the use of general vs. cruise specific travel
agencies and strategies for booking your own cruises. Any topic that
relates to cruise ship travel and the cruise industry itself could be
subject for discussion. In addition, discussion will be allowed on the
history of cruise ship and ocean liner travel.
Rec.travel.cruises will:
1) Help the traveller make an informed decision in how to book a
cruise without the pressure of a travel agent (travel agents are
welcome to the group and are encouraged to participate in the
discussion provided that there shall be no overt solicitation of
business within postings).
2) Provide the new cruiser with the benefit of the experience of
veteran cruises.
3) Provide the new cruiser with information as to what to expect
once he or she actually arrives on the ship ready to sail. Such
topics as cruise ship dress codes, dining room traditions,
shopping, booking shore excursions and tipping are all topics
that the first time cruiser needs to be familiar with.
An FTP site will be maintained for related rec.travel.cruise files. These
files will include a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ's). Members of
the newsgroup who go on cruises will be asked to write reviews of their
experiences. These cruise reviews will be stored at the FTP site and will
serve as a very valuable resource to anyone looking into sailing on the
same ship or itenarary. In addition, a comprehensive listing of all cruise
ships and lines will be maintained as part of the FAQ's.
In summary, rec.travel.cruises encourages the free and open discussion on
all aspects of cruise ship travel. Justifiable critism of specific cruise
ships and lines will be welcome up to the point of becoming personal
vendettas against a specific ship or line. Users are strongly urged to
keep messages of a confrontational or argumentative nature to a minimum.
Finally, it is requested that articles posted to rec.travel.cruises not be
crossposted to rec.travel or the other travel newsgroups.
DISTRIBUTION
This RFD is being posted to the following groups: news.announce.newgroups,
news.groups, rec.travel, rec.travel.air and rec.travel.marketplace.
DISCUSSION
Discussion regarding the creation of the proposed newsgroup
rec.travel.cruises should be posted to news.groups. Discussion will take
place for a period of 30 days after the posting of this RFD.
Andrew Solovay
unmoderated group rec.travel.cruises
[[ news.announce.newgroups moderator's note: due to a typo in the
submission of the call for votes by the vote taker, the first
posting of this article did not appear in news.announce.newgroups.
This technically means that the vote did not "officially" begin,
and to remain consistent with past handling of this sort of
situation it must be restarted. Votes submitted before the
appearance of this article in news.announce.newgroups are
technically not valid and must be resubmitted. The vote taker will
be contacting the people who have already voted. -- tale ]]
Newsgroups line:
rec.travel.cruises Travel by cruise ship.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT,322 April 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact asol...@geoworks.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact John Davis <j...@osbm.state.nc.us>.
CHARTER
Rec.travel.cruises will:
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: vo...@geoworks.com
Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing
list, and if your newsreader honors the "reply-to" line. Double-check
the address before sending your ballot.
Your mail message should contain one of the following statements:
I vote YES on rec.travel.cruises
I vote NO on rec.travel.cruises
You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the
outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting
program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a
personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within
several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your
vote is registered correctly.
Each person may vote only once, no matter how many accounts he or she
may have. Also, only one ballot will be accepted from any account, no
matter how many people may share it. If more than one vote is received
from any person or any account, only the last vote received will be
counted.
Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final
voting results list. All ballots received are kept in the UVV archives
(including "cancelled" and invalid ballots). The vote files are made
available to the moderator of news.announce.newgroups on request. They
may also, at the discretion of the UVV, be made more widely available
if there is a controversy concerning the vote.
Donna L. Haberly
Donna Haberly
dh...@virginia.edu
UVA
Box 168
Charlottesville, VA 22908
Clin. Mirco
Andrew Solovay
unmoderated group rec.travel.cruises
Newsgroups line:
rec.travel.cruises Travel by cruise ship.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 GMT, 23 April 1994.
CHARTER
Rec.travel.cruises will:
HOW TO VOTE
Send MAIL to: vo...@geoworks.com
BOUNCES
The following people have submitted valid ballots, but my
acknowledgement EMail to them bounced. They need not revote.
rec.travel.cruises Bounce List
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mitc...@msuces.canr.msu.edu
INVALID VOTES
The following people sent invalid ballots, and have not superseded
them with valid ones. They must revote if they want their votes to be
counted.
Votes in error
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bha...@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu BRETT JAMES HARRIS
! No vote statement in message
gr...@kenyon.edu JENNIFER @5145
! Conflicting votes
it...@jove.acs.unt.edu Newman Hilary Helen
! Ballot sent too early
lge...@fre.fsu.umd.edu
! No vote statement in message
LWJE...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Les Jennings
! Conflicting votes
pig...@netcom.com Pigdog of SF Bay Area
! No vote statement in message
rol...@uwovax.uwo.ca GARY ROLLMAN
! Conflicting votes
THOM...@mail.loc.gov BETTY J THOMPSON
! No vote statement in message
Wild Jack
Andrew Solovay
unmoderated group rec.travel.cruises passes 244:23
There were 244 YES votes and 23 NO votes, for a total of 267 valid votes.
There were 9 invalid ballots.
For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO)
votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes.
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of
news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter.
Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 23 April 1994.
The vote was conducted by a neutral third party.
Vote-taker's address: asol...@geoworks.com (Andrew Solovay)
Group proponent's address: j...@osbm.state.nc.us (John Davis)
Newsgroups line:
rec.travel.cruises Travel by cruise ship.
CHARTER (culled from the Call for Votes):
Rec.travel.cruises will:
rec.travel.cruises Final Vote Ack
Voted Yes
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dhtu...@spd.dsccc.com Doug Tucker
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d...@wang.com David Weinstein
dm...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Donna M Cox
dm...@moose.uvm.edu Diane I. Muhr
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ei...@netmarket.com Eiji Hirai
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GDO...@delphi.com
ge...@informix.com Geeta Kamarkar
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hal...@cs.rpi.edu
ham...@wam.umd.edu Mike Chu
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hiel...@aragorn.csee.lehigh.edu Frank Hielscher
hnr_4...@emunix.emich.edu
hoo...@doublon.unice.fr Hooghe Muriel
il...@niwot.scd.ucar.edu Ilana Stern
ja...@tektronix.tek.com Jane F. Elliott
JBA...@umdacc.umd.edu Juancho B. Baino
j...@osbm.state.nc.us John Davis
j...@qualcomm.com Jeff Gehlhaar
jch...@leland.stanford.edu James Alexander Chokey
jcno...@cca.rockwell.com
jc...@wang.com John Cole
je...@admin.ldgo.columbia.edu Jean Beagan
je...@unify.com Jeff Mischkinsky
j...@cbcosmos.att.com John Krebs
jfo...@dorsai.dorsai.org Joseph Fortt
j...@tdat.elsegundoca.ncr.com John Graas
j...@netcom.com John H. Barlow
ji...@sol.asl.hitachi.com Jill Boyce
jim.an...@fi.gs.com Jim Anderson
jim...@acpub.duke.edu James Battista
jl...@andrew.cmu.edu Joseph C. Lappa
jml...@vnet.ibm.com Janet Leake ((444) 254-0284)
j...@s1.gov
j...@phx.mcd.mot.com Jim Nielsen
j...@us.dynix.com Jebb N. Stewart
joe...@teleport.com Joseph L. Todd
Joe_C...@sgate.com Joe Collins
john...@uncecs.edu John Coan
jo...@hpuerca.atl.hp.com John Pezzano
jos...@smerdis.ccqc.uga.edu Joseph Evan Fowler
jpr...@dpw.com Janice Price
junix!tha...@sinkhole.unf.edu Terry Hashey
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jw...@soda.berkeley.edu Jonathan W. Lin
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ke...@dstc.edu.au Kerry Raymond
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kiam...@oakton.edu Carol Kiamelis
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lb...@andrew.cmu.edu Lorraine Blasik
l...@spaghetti.visus.com Carol Koehler
le...@icus.com Lenny Tropiano
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Line_F...@uqss.uquebec.ca
li...@parcplace.com Lisa Yee
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mile...@hmc.edu Debbie Miles-Devellerez
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muer...@eos.ncsu.edu
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ra...@umr.edu Rawin Raviwongse
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rl...@andrew.cmu.edu Rosa Stipanovic
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r...@cdc.hp.com Roger E. Haaheim
rpo...@telesciences.com Ross S Poppel
r...@sei.cmu.edu Robert Holibaugh
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rtb...@netcom.com Rex Bragaw
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rus...@ae.chalmers.se Rustan Finndin
rwit...@msu.edu Bob Wittick
R_C...@pavo.concordia.ca
sa...@library.calpoly.edu Sandra Beck
sa...@acdca.itt.com Bob Heddles
SCAI...@bms.com
scr...@ingr.com Steve Crooks
shar...@mailer.fsu.edu Shannon B Hartsfield
shi...@rpi.edu Larry Shields
skje...@amoco.com Sandra K. Jensen
sk...@neopath.com Steve Skok
sla...@cs.cmu.edu Stephane Laveau
smus...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Mike Mustaine
ste...@sanders.com Tammy Steeves
STUA472%SAUPM00...@vtbit.cc.vt.edu Mazin Dabbagh
sur...@a1.hanv02.sandoz.com Ali H. Surve
swr...@iplmaster.orl.mmc.com Sandra Wright
tes...@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu
theta....@vt.edu Phil "Theta" Bowden
thewoz!rsw...@netcom.com R Scott Williams
THOM...@mail.loc.gov BETTY J THOMPSON
Tiina.N...@cs.helsinki.fi Tiina Niklander
Timothy.P...@dartmouth.edu Timothy P. Stammers
t...@beta.lanl.gov Tom J Farish
TN...@mansci.watstar.uwaterloo.ca Tim Nye
Tony....@oit.gatech.edu Tony G. Gilmer
u937...@uow.edu.au JAFFAR ANWAR H
usmm...@ibmmail.com Mark B. Mizen
vh...@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov Vernon Hill
vin...@vnet.ibm.com
VLDA...@cc.owu.edu
VP19...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
v...@fct.unl.pt
vuno...@netcom.com Varda Ullman Novick
wa...@solgrp.chi.il.us Walt Pesch
wan...@gdb.org David J. Wang
w...@unity.ncsu.edu
WE...@adl300.vet.uga.edu
wgal...@aol.com
will....@ftl.mese.com
wil...@tif396.ed.ray.com Carol Wilson
wor...@cujo.tc.cat.com Dean A. Worrell
WTHO...@urvax.urich.edu
yada...@gallif.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Dave Shariff Yadallee
zav...@capsrv.jhuapl.edu Dave Zavetz
zur...@ac.wfunet.wfu.edu valerie lynn zuraw
Voted No
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al19...@academ01.mty.itesm.mx JESUS EUGENIO SANCHEZ PENA
an...@world.std.com Andrew R Shulman
b...@generali.harvard.edu Brent Byer
bra...@rintintin.colorado.edu BRANDAUER CARL M
bri...@tfs.com Bridget Dobbins
cit...@cs.colorado.edu Wayne Citrin
crou...@flidh102.delcoelect.com
df...@cleveland.freenet.edu Kregg T Brooks
e...@msc.edu Edward Bertsch
fs...@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu Sean P. Ryan
jem...@relay.nswc.navy.mil Jack Mortimer - E81
jpen...@encore.com Jan Penovich
jul...@bongo.tele.com Julian Macassey
Kari....@fmi.fi Kari E. Hurtta
lmcc...@freya.cs.umass.edu
m...@redbrick.com Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS
mug...@alumni.caltech.edu A. M. Mughal
n...@tub.cs.tu-berlin.de Oliver Laumann
pet...@telerama.lm.com Pete Berger
r...@msc.cornell.edu Rob V.
sma...@turing.toronto.edu Marc Moorcroft
stai...@bga.com Dwight Brown
WA...@ernie.van.forintek.ca Ward F. Bush
Votes in error
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bha...@sun1.iusb.indiana.edu BRETT JAMES HARRIS
! No vote statement in message
gr...@kenyon.edu JENNIFER @5145
! Conflicting votes
it...@jove.acs.unt.edu Newman Hilary Helen
! Ballot sent too early
lge...@fre.fsu.umd.edu
! No vote statement in message
LWJE...@ulkyvx.louisville.edu Les Jennings
! Conflicting votes
PAUSSK/P...@ofs.uwec.edu
! No vote statement in message
pig...@netcom.com Pigdog of SF Bay Area
! No vote statement in message
rol...@uwovax.uwo.ca GARY ROLLMAN
! Conflicting votes
U19652%UI...@uic.edu debbie adrian lhs rockford