Two Houston questions - Referring to the Astros and NASA
MC
in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at the
Ballpark for $60 pn.
Anyway a couple of quick questions.
1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a taxi
rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be, approximately.
2. We are thinking about going to see the Astros at the Minute Maid (when in
Rome...). Now we have never seen a baseball game and had no idea of the
rules (sorry, but I am British :)) until I read a brief rundown of the rules
this evening.
My question is this:
Approximately, how long does a game last and will it be easy to pick up
what's going on?
Thanks in advance for any feedback to my questions.
MC
Mark Brader
> 1. Is it easy to get to NASA [from Houston] via public transport.
I looked first at <http://www.jsc.nasa.gov> and the subsidiary site
<http://www.spacecenter.org>, and they don't seem to even mention the
possibility.
However, the city transit site <http://www.hou-metro.harris.tx.us> shows
a "commuter bus" route 246 connecting downtown Houston and the NASA site
(Johnson Space Center). It's a 25-mile trip one way, takes about an hour
and a quarter, and runs on an irregular schedule roughly once an hour --
*weekdays only*. It's obviously designed for people who work there, so
it might not go near the visitor entrance -- I don't know.
Schedule in PDF (for this and two other routes, so read the right page)
at <http://www.hou-metro.harris.tx.us/pdf/Routes/gulfcorridor.pdf>.
System maps in PDF, in two sections at:
<http://www.hou-metro.harris.tx.us/pdf/smapa.pdf> (city center)
<http://www.hou-metro.harris.tx.us/pdf/smapb.pdf> (suburbs, including NASA)
I don't know if there are long-distance bus companies competing with this.
--
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Paul E. Lehmann
> Firstly, thanks to those who answered my previous post, re. Finding a
> hotel
> in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at the
> Ballpark for $60 pn.
>
> Anyway a couple of quick questions.
>
> 1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a
> taxi rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be,
> approximately.
No, at least not that I am aware of. I Left Houston 10 years ago but I
still visit there a couple times a year to see family and friends. Houston
is HORRIBLE when it comes to public transport. Most Houstonians perfer to
drive a car - even if they are the only occupant. The Gulf Freeway which
you will need to travel on to get to NASA can get VERY congested so be
prepared for slow traffic and traffic jams. In my opinion Houston is a
TERRIBLE city built on mosquito infested swamp land and was part of a land
deal rip off by the Allen Brothers years ago. Why on earth would you want
to visit there? It is hot and EXTREMELY HUMID and summer is NOT the best
time to visit there. There are only two saving graces about Houston.
Houston has some of the best food and the most beautiful women to be found
anywhere.
> 2. We are thinking about going to see the Astros at the Minute Maid (when
> in
> Rome...). Now we have never seen a baseball game and had no idea of the
> rules (sorry, but I am British :)) until I read a brief rundown of the
> rules this evening.
> My question is this:
> Approximately, how long does a game last and will it be easy to pick up
> what's going on?
Games depend on how many innings are played. Most games end in 9 innings so
it should last several hours. To me it is extremely boring - sort of like
watching grass grow. Since you are in the area, I would suggest you visit
Galveston. The Boardwalk in Kemah (near Galveston) is also sort of nice
with arcade games and other amusements and a very good selection of
restaurants. It too, can get quite crowded. If you really want to get a
flavour of Texas, visit the hill country around and near Austin -
especially the Fredricksburg, San Saba and Llano area.
Frank F. Matthews
> Firstly, thanks to those who answered my previous post, re. Finding a hotel
> in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at the
> Ballpark for $60 pn.
At those prices it looks as though the city has another white elephant
on it's hands.
> Anyway a couple of quick questions.
>
> 1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a taxi
> rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be, approximately.
There is a bus service for $3.50 each way.
http://www.hou-metro.harris.tx.us/pdf/routes/gulfcorridor.pdf
Notice that the last returning bus appears to be just before 3 pm so you
need to make it a morning trip. If you miss it you can take a taxi to
the local park & ride where there is later service on that route. The
origination isn't too far from your hotel.
> 2. We are thinking about going to see the Astros at the Minute Maid (when in
> Rome...). Now we have never seen a baseball game and had no idea of the
> rules (sorry, but I am British :)) until I read a brief rundown of the rules
> this evening.
> My question is this:
> Approximately, how long does a game last and will it be easy to pick up
> what's going on?
I suppose that the answer is that it varies. I'd expect a game to be
about 3 hours but they can be very extended if the score is tied. The
rules are fairly simple but as with most contain lots of unusual exotic
parts. Hint: if anyone starts discussing "infield fly rule" hit them
with an umbrella. Don't try to damage them just startle them and try to
bring them to their senses.
Patty Winter
MC <notinc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a taxi
>rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be, approximately.
Given the pretty unencouraging answers that the Houston locals have
provided, perhaps you might want to consider a bus tour? You might
be able to find one that would pick you up at or near your hotel,
take you to JSC for a tour, and then bring you back. I don't know
how the price would compare to a taxi, but it might be worth investigating.
>My question is this:
>Approximately, how long does a game last and will it be easy to pick up
>what's going on?
As someone else mentioned, as long as no one hits any infield fly
balls, you'll be okay. ;-) (There was even a scene about this on
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine once, proving that people will still be
confused by the rule hundreds of years from now. ;-) )
Yes, it's a slow-moving game, but that gives you time to chat and
look around and take in the atmosphere. Give it a try!
Patty
me
[snip]
> 2. We are thinking about going to see the Astros at the Minute Maid (when in
> Rome...). Now we have never seen a baseball game and had no idea of the
> rules (sorry, but I am British :)) until I read a brief rundown of the rules
> this evening.
> My question is this:
> Approximately, how long does a game last
3 - 4 hours.
> and will it be easy to pick up what's going on?
[snip]
In the sense that it is a very slow moving game, yes. When the action
is happening, you may not know where to look, nor what to expect.
Your tendency will be to "follow the ball" but the ball is rarely where
the "action" is. In essence, the object of the "offense" is to get the
ball away from where the action is, and the object of the defense is
to get the ball TO where the action is. Baseball is one of the few sports
where the ball does not do the scoring and the further away the ball
is from the goal, the more likely points will be scored. The ball comes
to the action, which can be at any one of 4 points on the field (the
bases) and the hard part for a novice is anticipating to which base the
ball will come. There no hard and fast rules on this, but the closest
is that the ball will move towards the "lead" runner (but not always
so....)
I don't know if you have seats yet, or if you do where they are, but
for the novice the best seats are actually probably out behind one of
the "fields" (left, center or right). You can see the whole field of
play at once that way. You could try to sit behind "home plate" but
those are often difficult, or expensive, seats to obtain.
The essence of the game is moving players around the bases. As such,
the astute novice will pay alot of attention to the bases.Understanding
how, and when, a player may advance on the bases is really the key.
When the ball is struck, pay attention to the motion of the
players on the bases, their motion will tend to tell you what is
going on. They move most aggressively when there is little
chance of them getting "out" by doing so, least aggresively in the opposite
condition. They will hesitate when there is an impending decision to
be made about their ability to advance.
Nile
>>>how long does a game last and will it be easy to pick up what's going
on?
Count on three hours. Nine innings are required, and standard. Could be
less time, could be more, i.e., they keep playing until a tie is broken.
I attended a 17-inning college game once. I left at 11:30 p.m. and it
was still going.
Yes, it is easy to pick up the basics. The point, of course, is to hit
the ball and make it around the three bases back to home plate (where
the batter stands), thereby scoring a run.
"Inning" = both sides at bat until each team has three outs.
"Out" = (1) batter can't hit the ball after three tries ("3 strikes,
you're out")(a "ball" doesn't count); (2) ball is caught by opposing
team after it's hit, but before ball reaches the ground (known as a "pop
fly" when it goes high before falling back down); (3) ball is thrown to
a base before the runner gets there, or (4) variations on # 3.
"Ball" = ball is thrown above batter's chest or below knees, or he hits
and it goes out of the foul lines. A foul ball may well fly over to
your seating area.
Scoring is by "runs" ("R" on the scoreboard) i.e., a man makes it back
to home. ("Home run" = batter hits ball beyond the walls and thereby
makes it home on one ball; a run is also scored for any other batter on
a base who can get home by another batter's hit.) On the scoreboard you
will also see "H" for "hits" = batter makes it to first base at least,
and "E" for error = a defense player should have done something he
didn't. Hits and errors are for information only; they have no effect
on the score itself.
You will have a great time! Get good seats low enough that you can see
what's going on; I'm not familiar with the Houston park so can't help
you with specifics but along the first base line is always where most of
the action takes place. Don't sit too far beyond first base. The
famous Houston players to look for are Roger Clemens and Andy Pettite
(both pitchers), Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio, and Orlando Palmeiro. The
proper edibels at a baseball game are hot dogs and beer.
Oh yeah, the "umpire" is the fat bastard standing behind the batter.
Now I guarantee, somebody is bound to tell you something I forgot!
MTV
> Firstly, thanks to those who answered my previous post, re. Finding a hotel
> in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at the
> Ballpark for $60 pn.
>
That's a great deal. The hotel is new and probably offering introductory rates.
> Anyway a couple of quick questions.
>
> 1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a taxi
> rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be, approximately.
>
On a previous web site I mentioned there's info on bus tours to the Space
Center and Galveston. The Metro bus to NASA would be ok since they're
express down the freeway. It's definitely worth seeing: where the
astrounauts live and train, Mission Control, IMAX, etc. If you go to
Galveston there're guided trolley tours, Moody Gardens with three large
areas (rain forest, aquarium, and Discovery for kids), plus IMAX movies,
plus shopping "On The Strand" next to the waterfront cruise ship terminals.
Also harbor tours morning and afternoon, the old Elissa tall ship, movie on
the 1900 hurricane that swept the island. Beaches are not much - no
boardwalks like on the East Coast.
> 2. We are thinking about going to see the Astros at the Minute Maid (when in
> Rome...).
Astros will be town except July 21st and 22nd.
http://houston.astros.mlb.com/
Cathy Kearns
in
> Rome...). Now we have never seen a baseball game and had no idea of the
> rules (sorry, but I am British :)) until I read a brief rundown of the
rules
> this evening.
> My question is this:
> Approximately, how long does a game last and will it be easy to pick up
> what's going on?
Yep, it is about 3 hours long. I have had the pleasure of going to games
with fellow engineers who were raised on cricket, and no, the game
isn't as easy to pick up as I would have thought. (And teaching them
to play softball, the recreational version for adults, was also quite
an experience....) That said, most game goers are very friendly and
more than happy to explain the game to novices. The other interesting
thing about baseball games is taking in the environment. The peanut
sellers are a show on their own. The organist and score boards keep
little ones entertained for hours. And if you are lucky there are sausage
races... So you may not be able to walk away ready to coach a local
little league team, but if you are looking for an American experience,
a base ball game can't be beat.
Peter L
"Paul E. Lehmann" <pleh...@fred.net> wrote in message
news:Z3KEc.12$vP6....@news.abs.net...
> MC wrote:
>
> > Firstly, thanks to those who answered my previous post, re. Finding a
> > hotel
> > in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at
the
> > Ballpark for $60 pn.
> >
> > Anyway a couple of quick questions.
> >
> > 1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a
> > taxi rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be,
> > approximately.
>
> No, at least not that I am aware of. I Left Houston 10 years ago but I
> still visit there a couple times a year to see family and friends.
Houston
> is HORRIBLE when it comes to public transport. Most Houstonians perfer to
> drive a car - even if they are the only occupant. The Gulf Freeway which
> you will need to travel on to get to NASA can get VERY congested so be
> prepared for slow traffic and traffic jams. In my opinion Houston is a
> TERRIBLE city built on mosquito infested swamp land and was part of a land
> deal rip off by the Allen Brothers years ago. Why on earth would you want
> to visit there? It is hot and EXTREMELY HUMID and summer is NOT the best
> time to visit there. There are only two saving graces about Houston.
> Houston has some of the best food and the most beautiful women to be found
> anywhere.
My son lives in Houston and we visited a couple of times. I agree with
everything you said except the end. Houston has probably the worst dining
scene for any major city we've experienced. LA, NY, and Chicago all beat
Houston hands down. Even many medium sized cities (notably SF) has much
more to offer in terms of restaurants.
As to the women, I'll leave the judgement to others. I am married, what do
I know about beautiful women?
Peter L
hotel
> in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at the
> Ballpark for $60 pn.
>
> Anyway a couple of quick questions.
>
> 1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a
taxi
> rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be, approximately.
Don't know. Texas is the land of cheap gasoline/petrol (slightly more
expensive than Iraq), so everyone drives.
>
> 2. We are thinking about going to see the Astros at the Minute Maid (when
in
> Rome...). Now we have never seen a baseball game and had no idea of the
> rules (sorry, but I am British :)) until I read a brief rundown of the
rules
> this evening.
> My question is this:
> Approximately, how long does a game last and will it be easy to pick up
> what's going on?
The game can be mind numbingly long, or mercifully short. I would say count
on 3 hours. But it's ok to walk out early. Think of it as criket where the
players are allowed to spit.
Peter L
"MTV" <NoSpam...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:KMVEc.3141$mY2...@fe1.texas.rr.com...
> MC wrote:
> > Firstly, thanks to those who answered my previous post, re. Finding a
hotel
> > in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at
the
> > Ballpark for $60 pn.
> >
>
> That's a great deal. The hotel is new and probably offering introductory
rates.
>
Summer time in Houstong. That explains it.
MTV
>
>
>
> My son lives in Houston and we visited a couple of times. I agree with
> everything you said except the end. Houston has probably the worst dining
> scene for any major city we've experienced. LA, NY, and Chicago all beat
> Houston hands down. Even many medium sized cities (notably SF) has much
> more to offer in terms of restaurants.
>
>
Excuse me! That's absolutely false!
Huge variety, Most "dining out" city in the country, etc. etc. Unless your
son doesn't live "in the city" and is out in one of the Ex-urbs.
You can check out "Houston.Eats" newsgroup for discussions and answers to
questions.
Marvin
Frank F. Matthews
price to dump you at NASA. If you keep to the Metro schedule referenced
previously it should work just as well. A taxi would be out of sight.
Frank F. Matthews
> "MC" <notinc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:108864368...@nnrp-t71-01.news.uk.clara.net...
>
>>Firstly, thanks to those who answered my previous post, re. Finding a
snip
>
> Don't know. Texas is the land of cheap gasoline/petrol (slightly more
> expensive than Iraq), so everyone drives.
snip
Actually gasoline in Houston isn't cheap despite the large number of
refineries. It's almost always less in Atlanta or South Carolina.
Everyone drives because there isn't any other way to get around except
for special cases.
Fortunately for the OP Downtown to NASA is one of the special cases.
Peter L
> Peter L wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > My son lives in Houston and we visited a couple of times. I agree with
> > everything you said except the end. Houston has probably the worst
dining
> > scene for any major city we've experienced. LA, NY, and Chicago all
beat
> > Houston hands down. Even many medium sized cities (notably SF) has much
> > more to offer in terms of restaurants.
> >
> >
>
> Excuse me! That's absolutely false!
> Huge variety, Most "dining out" city in the country, etc. etc. Unless your
> son doesn't live "in the city" and is out in one of the Ex-urbs.
My son lives right in downtown. You can disagree all you want. I don't
know where that "most dining out city" moniker comes from. But for being
the 4th largest city in the US, it's dining scene is extremely poor.
>
> You can check out "Houston.Eats" newsgroup for discussions and answers to
> questions.
I don't have any questions. I was there and my son being single, eats out a
lot. It's our impression and his impression also.
>
> Marvin
>
Paul E. Lehmann
> My son lives in Houston and we visited a couple of times. I agree with
> everything you said except the end. Houston has probably the worst dining
> scene for any major city we've experienced. LA, NY, and Chicago all beat
> Houston hands down. Even many medium sized cities (notably SF) has much
> more to offer in terms of restaurants.
You gotta understand; I grew up in Pontiac, Illinois.
THE ethnic restaurant was a Pizza Pan that only opened about a year before I
graduated from High School.
>
> As to the women, I'll leave the judgement to others. I am married, what
> do I know about beautiful women?
Hmmmm - What is your wife's email address. I smell a chance for blackmail -
ha ha
Julie
daughter-in-law in Houston for a week or so in April, 2003. It certainly
isn't the place to visit for a holiday. We went solely to see our family.
Very hard to get around with out a car - but for us Aussies who drive on the
other side of the road - I wouldn't attempt to drive on your freeways.
We used a small company with a minibus a couple of times to take us to see
NASA one day and to see City of Houston and then on to San Jacinto. Sorry
can't remember the name but there must be many of them to choose from.
Julie
Melbourne, Australia
Lou Minatti
>
> > Firstly, thanks to those who answered my previous post, re. Finding a
> > hotel
> > in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at the
> > Ballpark for $60 pn.
> >
> > Anyway a couple of quick questions.
> >
> > 1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a
> > taxi rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be,
> > approximately.
>
> No, at least not that I am aware of. I Left Houston 10 years ago but I
> still visit there a couple times a year to see family and friends. Houston
> is HORRIBLE when it comes to public transport. Most Houstonians perfer to
> drive a car - even if they are the only occupant.
As do citizens of just about every other city in the US outside of
NYC, Boston and perhaps Chicago and San Francisco proper.
> The Gulf Freeway which
> you will need to travel on to get to NASA can get VERY congested so be
> prepared for slow traffic and traffic jams.
Compared to traffic on the Capital Beltway, Houston's traffic is a
piece of cake.
America's Worst Traffic
http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/01/pf/traffic_worse/
1 Los Angeles, CA
2 San Francisco, CA
3 Denver, CO
4 Miami, FL
5 Phoenix, AZ
6 Chicago, IL
7 San Jose, CA
8 Washington, DC
9 Portland, OR
10 Boston, MA
> In my opinion Houston is a
> TERRIBLE city built on mosquito infested swamp land and was part of a land
> deal rip off by the Allen Brothers years ago. Why on earth would you want
> to visit there? It is hot and EXTREMELY HUMID and summer is NOT the best
> time to visit there.
As we all know, Washington DC is an absolute paradise in the
summertime. And wasn't Washington DC also built on a swamp?
> There are only two saving graces about Houston.
> Houston has some of the best food and the most beautiful women to be found
> anywhere.
That's odd. I wonder why the Places Rated Almanac ranked Houston #8
out of 354 metropolitan areas for good places to live? Seems to me
that if Houston was as horrible as you claim, its population would be
shrinking, like it is in Washington, DC. Yet Houston added 20% to its
population between 1990-2000. Your claims about Houston being a
horrible place appear to be at odds with the 640,000 or so who moved
here recently.
San Antonio, Corpus Cristi and Fredricksburg are the good tourist
destinations in Texas. Houston is not a tourist town, doesn't pretend
to be one, and I doubt it ever will be. But Houston is a great place
to work, start a business and raise a family.
Paul E. Lehmann
> "Paul E. Lehmann" <pleh...@fred.net> wrote in message
> news:<Z3KEc.12$vP6....@news.abs.net>...
>> MC wrote:
>> Houston
>> is HORRIBLE when it comes to public transport. Most Houstonians perfer
>> to drive a car - even if they are the only occupant.
> As do citizens of just about every other city in the US outside of
> NYC, Boston and perhaps Chicago and San Francisco proper.
For a City its size Houston probably ranks WORST for public transportation.
>
>> The Gulf Freeway which
>> you will need to travel on to get to NASA can get VERY congested so be
>> prepared for slow traffic and traffic jams.
>
> Compared to traffic on the Capital Beltway, Houston's traffic is a
> piece of cake.
I now live in the DC area. Your statement is NOT true.
> As we all know, Washington DC is an absolute paradise in the
> summertime. And wasn't Washington DC also built on a swamp?
Yes, it was but - the mass transit it DC is pretty damn good - Houston's is
almost non existent.
>> There are only two saving graces about Houston.
>> Houston has some of the best food and the most beautiful women to be
>> found anywhere.
>
> That's odd. I wonder why the Places Rated Almanac ranked Houston #8
> out of 354 metropolitan areas for good places to live?
Beats me. Maybe the raters make money the good ole fashion Houston way -
they are easily bribed or bought outright.
> Seems to me
> that if Houston was as horrible as you claim, its population would be
> shrinking, like it is in Washington, DC. Yet Houston added 20% to its
> population between 1990-2000. Your claims about Houston being a
> horrible place appear to be at odds with the 640,000 or so who moved
> here recently.
There are suckers born every moment. Some people are attracted because
Texas doesn't have a state income tas - YET. It won't belong,however,
before they are forced to have one. Houston also APPARENTLY has
inexpensive housing - UNTIL one finds out the cost of house insurance
because of the so called toxic mold problems AND the very high cost of
electricity to cool their homes in a near HELL like environment.
Have we talked air quality yet? Houston has some of the WORST in the nation
and has even beat Los Angeles for unhealthy air. Of course, the die hard
Houston lovers call it "The smell of money".
Have we talked about very high cancer incidence rates yet? Look at a
incidence map for the United States.
I am glad you love Houston so much. STAY THERE.
Frank F. Matthews
> Lou Minatti wrote:
>>"Paul E. Lehmann" <pleh...@fred.net> wrote in message
>>news:<Z3KEc.12$vP6....@news.abs.net>...
>>
>>>MC wrote:
>>>Houston
>>>is HORRIBLE when it comes to public transport. Most Houstonians perfer
>>>to drive a car - even if they are the only occupant.
>>As do citizens of just about every other city in the US outside of
>>NYC, Boston and perhaps Chicago and San Francisco proper.
> For a City its size Houston probably ranks WORST for public transportation.
There are some other candidates. Phoenix comes to mind.
>>>The Gulf Freeway which
>>>you will need to travel on to get to NASA can get VERY congested so be
>>>prepared for slow traffic and traffic jams.
>>Compared to traffic on the Capital Beltway, Houston's traffic is a
>>piece of cake.
> I now live in the DC area. Your statement is NOT true.
Both are subject to serious delay during rush hour. It appears that the
average delay for congestion in Houston is at worst moderate.
Interestingly congestion delays on mass transit can be higher than with
automobiles as capacity is reached. Autos do have alternate routes.
>>As we all know, Washington DC is an absolute paradise in the
>>summertime. And wasn't Washington DC also built on a swamp?
> Yes, it was but - the mass transit it DC is pretty damn good - Houston's is
> almost non existent.
It is nice to be on the federal gravy train. And to not have to fight
the Roach Killer.
>>>There are only two saving graces about Houston.
>>>Houston has some of the best food and the most beautiful women to be
>>>found anywhere.
>>
>>That's odd. I wonder why the Places Rated Almanac ranked Houston #8
>>out of 354 metropolitan areas for good places to live?
> Beats me. Maybe the raters make money the good ole fashion Houston way -
> they are easily bribed or bought outright.
Silly twit. One can argue with the categories of data they use but their
analysis is usually reasonable.
>>Seems to me
>>that if Houston was as horrible as you claim, its population would be
>>shrinking, like it is in Washington, DC. Yet Houston added 20% to its
>>population between 1990-2000. Your claims about Houston being a
>>horrible place appear to be at odds with the 640,000 or so who moved
>>here recently.
> There are suckers born every moment. Some people are attracted because
> Texas doesn't have a state income tas - YET. It won't belong,however,
> before they are forced to have one. Houston also APPARENTLY has
> inexpensive housing - UNTIL one finds out the cost of house insurance
> because of the so called toxic mold problems AND the very high cost of
> electricity to cool their homes in a near HELL like environment.
> Have we talked air quality yet? Houston has some of the WORST in the nation
> and has even beat Los Angeles for unhealthy air. Of course, the die hard
> Houston lovers call it "The smell of money".
>
> Have we talked about very high cancer incidence rates yet? Look at a
> incidence map for the United States.
Yes, providing much of the US with its chemicals does have penalties.
We're thinking of putting a significant tax so you all can help fund the
hospitals.
> I am glad you love Houston so much. STAY THERE.
I will for a while.
MTV
> Lou Minatti wrote:
>
>
>>
>
> I am glad you love Houston so much. STAY THERE.
My, what a grouch! I hope you're happy wherever you live.
I lived in DC for 17 years, until being transferred here in 1986. I just
fell in love with the friendly people, "can-do" attitude, lack of "winters"
with green and flowers all year around, and the low cost of living. It does
take a while to get one's body acclimated, just like visiting Colorado in
February, but that's why we have A/C and the 10 mile tunnel system downtown
(just like the skyways in Minnesota). The climate is no different here than
all along the Gulf Coast and Southern Florida. I was also smart enough to
drop any "where I came from" type nonsense and become involved with my new
home. People are the same everywhere.
I still visit my children in DC/Virginia and can only say that Springfield
and the Woodrow Wilson bridge, in my humble opinion, are the worst traffic
bottlenecks I've ever seen. There is also more smog over Reagan Nat'l
Airport than you'll ever see in Houston. We do have ozone, but it's
transparent, not like Eastern particulate smog.
The increase in Houston's "standing" was in part to the hundreds of
thousands who came for the Super Bowl in February, had a wonderful time,
and spread the word. Stereotypes have a way of dissipating when personal
experiences take over. And, we did suffer from the 2001 presidential
campaign when the DNC kept trashing Houston and Texas. And we had Enron,
while the D.C. area had WorldCom. So?
Just my two cents worth. I'm glad that most travelers like to experience
different sights, people, and are adventurous at heart. It's all in a
person's attitude - being negative, or positive. Finding fault because it's
not "like home" - the Ugly American and East Coast sophisticate, or being
open to enjoy new things.
Marv
Paul E. Lehmann
> Paul E. Lehmann wrote:
>> Lou Minatti wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
> diblble snipped
>>
>> I am glad you love Houston so much. STAY THERE.
>
> My, what a grouch! I hope you're happy wherever you live.
Yes, I am happy where I live - in north central Maryland.
>
> I lived in DC for 17 years, until being transferred here in 1986.
I lived in Houston for 24 years before moving here. I live the first 21
years of my life in north central Illinois.
>I just
> fell in love with the friendly people, "can-do" attitude, lack of
> "winters" with green and flowers all year around, and the low cost of
> living.
I just fell in love with the reduced percentage of "Bubbas and Red Necks",
four seasons instead of hot and hotter, humid and more humid. I also enjoy
the QUALITY of living here and the fact that I don't have to drive 50 miles
in any direction to get away from concrete, buildings and the "Land of
Flat" which is featureless and extremely depressing.
> It does take a while to get one's body acclimated, just like
> visiting Colorado in February, but that's why we have A/C and the 10 mile
> tunnel system downtown (just like the skyways in Minnesota).
Body acclimated, most people I know in Houston area get their body
"Acclimated" to being inside their air conditioned home or car most of
their existence there.
> The climate
> is no different here than all along the Gulf Coast and Southern Florida.
True, It sucks the entire stretch.
> I still visit my children in DC/Virginia and can only say that Springfield
> and the Woodrow Wilson bridge, in my humble opinion, are the worst traffic
> bottlenecks I've ever seen.
I still visit my daughter, grandson and family in Houston and can only say
that you must not have to commute in Houston because if you had to drive
the North freeway, Southwest Freeway, Interstate 10 or loop 610 you would
know what REAL congestion is all about.
> There is also more smog over Reagan Nat'l
> Airport than you'll ever see in Houston.
NOT TRUE. What on earth made you make such a rediculous statement.
>We do have ozone, but it's
> transparent, not like Eastern particulate smog.
Rediculous statement. The next time you fly look outside the window as you
are leaving or coming into Houston. That greenish yellowish brownish crap
in the air is not transparent. Tell me, how many days did the Houston
schools have to keep kids inside because the air was to unhealthy to breath
outside for PE or recess?
> The increase in Houston's "standing" was in part to the hundreds of
> thousands who came for the Super Bowl in February, had a wonderful time,
> and spread the word.
Yep, great place for booze and hookers.
> Just my two cents worth. I'm glad that most travelers like to experience
> different sights, people, and are adventurous at heart.
Me too, otherwise I would have thought everyplace was as depressing as
Houston. I have traveled to all forty eight states and numerous foreign
countries. Houston remains one of my LEAST favorite places. I am truly
glad you enjoy it there but I think people on this newsgroup should know
the downside of the place before makeing travel plans and spending a lot of
money to go somewhere that may be a lot worse than where they came from.
Lou Minatti
> Lou Minatti wrote:
>
> > "Paul E. Lehmann" <pleh...@fred.net> wrote in message
> > news:<Z3KEc.12$vP6....@news.abs.net>...
> >> MC wrote:
> >> Houston
> >> is HORRIBLE when it comes to public transport. Most Houstonians perfer
> >> to drive a car - even if they are the only occupant.
>
> > As do citizens of just about every other city in the US outside of
> > NYC, Boston and perhaps Chicago and San Francisco proper.
>
> For a City its size Houston probably ranks WORST for public transportation.
That's because Houston is a low-density city. Houston put its transit
dollars into buses and HOV lanes rather than subways and heavy rail.
Urban planners don't like low-density cities, but the people who live
in such places generally do.
> >> The Gulf Freeway which
> >> you will need to travel on to get to NASA can get VERY congested so be
> >> prepared for slow traffic and traffic jams.
> >
> > Compared to traffic on the Capital Beltway, Houston's traffic is a
> > piece of cake.
>
> I now live in the DC area. Your statement is NOT true.
It is true. Why did you delete my cite? (I know why. It utterly
debunks your claim!)
America's Worst Traffic
http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/01/pf/traffic_worse/
1 Los Angeles, CA
2 San Francisco, CA
3 Denver, CO
4 Miami, FL
5 Phoenix, AZ
6 Chicago, IL
7 San Jose, CA
8 Washington, DC
9 Portland, OR
10 Boston, MA
> > As we all know, Washington DC is an absolute paradise in the
> > summertime. And wasn't Washington DC also built on a swamp?
>
> Yes, it was but - the mass transit it DC is pretty damn good - Houston's is
> almost non existent.
Washington DC has trains. OK. You keep pointing that out. So what does
that have to do with the fact that Washington DC is not a paradise in
the summertime and it was built on a swamp? If you lived in San Diego
or San Francisco I could understand you putting down the summertime
weather in Houston. But you don't.
> >> There are only two saving graces about Houston.
> >> Houston has some of the best food and the most beautiful women to be
> >> found anywhere.
> >
> > That's odd. I wonder why the Places Rated Almanac ranked Houston #8
> > out of 354 metropolitan areas for good places to live?
>
> Beats me. Maybe the raters make money the good ole fashion Houston way -
> they are easily bribed or bought outright.
Have you approached any law enforcement agencies with your brilliant
theory?
> > Seems to me
> > that if Houston was as horrible as you claim, its population would be
> > shrinking, like it is in Washington, DC. Yet Houston added 20% to its
> > population between 1990-2000. Your claims about Houston being a
> > horrible place appear to be at odds with the 640,000 or so who moved
> > here recently.
>
> There are suckers born every moment. Some people are attracted because
> Texas doesn't have a state income tas - YET. It won't belong,however,
> before they are forced to have one. Houston also APPARENTLY has
> inexpensive housing - UNTIL one finds out the cost of house insurance
> because of the so called toxic mold problems AND the very high cost of
Splat! goes your theory.
http://www.accra.org/media/q1housing.htm
> electricity to cool their homes in a near HELL like environment.
Doop! http://www.accra.org/media/q1utilities.htm
There goes yet another theory.
Put them all together, and Houston has the lowest cost of living for
all major metro areas. Don't snip my cite like you did earlier, read
it for yourself.
http://www.accra.org/media/q1composite.htm
> Have we talked air quality yet? Houston has some of the WORST in the nation
> and has even beat Los Angeles for unhealthy air. Of course, the die hard
> Houston lovers call it "The smell of money".
Another one of your bizarre theories debunked:
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=50752
> Have we talked about very high cancer incidence rates yet? Look at a
> incidence map for the United States.
Good idea. You shouldn't draw hasty conclusions based
on cancer statistics. For instance, Marin County,
California leads the US in women's breast cancer.
Yet by just about every account I've seen, Marin County
isn't polluted much at all. Diet, tobacco use and genetics
also play a part.
Nonetheless, the cancer mortality statistics compiled
by the federal government prove that your assertion
about Houston is flat-out wrong. Here are the maps you
want us to look at:
http://www.dceg2.cancer.gov/atlas/download/pdf2/acc-maps.pdf
"Red counties" in these maps are those with the highest 10%
cancer mortality rate. The Northeastern US is a sea of "red"
counties. For women, there is an enormous swatch of "red"
counties, from the Northeast to the Midwest, plus a "cluster"
in northern California and Nevada. Boston, NYC, Philly, DC, all
red.
Houston's smack dab right in the middle of the cancer
mortality statistics.
Do you have anything else to fib about?
> I am glad you love Houston so much. STAY THERE.
Here's the really weird thing. I don't particularly care for
Detroit (fine people, I find the place rather depressing), but
I don't hate it. I don't go spouting off on Usenet inventing
statistics about what a horrible place it is. Most people
don't behave like that. You do for some strange reason.
So what's the real scoop behind your bizarre hatred for my town?
MC
> MTV wrote:
>
> I have traveled to all forty eight states and numerous foreign
> countries. Houston remains one of my LEAST favorite places. I am truly
> glad you enjoy it there but I think people on this newsgroup should know
> the downside of the place before makeing travel plans and spending a lot
of
> money to go somewhere that may be a lot worse than where they came from.
>
I am from the UK (not too far from London) and I consider that there are not
many places much worse than here. Then again I am bound to say that as I
see it with warts and all. When you are a visitor for only a week you are
normally spared the bad bits.
We have chosen to stay in Houston for several reasons.
1. It has a direct flight from the UK with my chosen Frequent Flier
airline and is within easy reach of New Orleans, which is where we are
staying for our second week.
2. We enjoy visiting different types of city and have chosen to take a "two
city" break rather than fly straight on to New Orleans.
3. As Houston is not a "tourist destination" then maybe there will not be
too many "tourist traps" and we will be able to experience "real" America :)
We have been all over the world, visited nearly all the continents, and have
stayed in many many cities, some bad, some good. We have experienced nearly
every type of extreme weather effect and dangerous flora and fauna that
nature has thrown at us. We consider ourselves, therefore, semi-hardened
travellers. We can only judge Houston on one seven night stay and if all we
experience in that time is good so be it. If our experience is bad, so be
it. Whichever way you look at it, a short visit to anywhere will only be
what you make it. In other words, if you go with the attitude that you will
have a good time you are are more likely to have just that.
Cities are often criticised, more so, by those who stay for extended periods
of time and experience them from the inside. As travellers we are not that
interested in knowing what makes a city tick, how bad the commuter traffic
is or even whether the climate does not suit the locals, as long as we, as
visitors, have the opportunity to make the most out of the good bits.
Thanks for the input though :)
MC
Miriam -Jewett
MC wrote:
Firstly, thanks to those who answered my previous post, re. Finding a hotel
in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at the
Ballpark for $60 pn.
On a recent visit to Houston, we saw this new hotel across the street from the
baseball park. Our guide point this hotel out to us, and mentioned that there a great
seafood restaurant on the top floor. This a great rate for such a new hotel. Downtown
Houston is a great place to stay, in the evening we when to the entertainment district.
And had a very good time.
On out trip to Houston we stay at the brand new Hilton Hotel just
about three block away from the
ball park and we got a fantastic nightly rate of $49.00 per night,
we called the hotel direct for our reservations.
Anyway a couple of quick questions.1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a taxi
rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be, approximately.
We inquired about going to N A S A at the hotel .......
taxis wanted to charge us $ 60.00 each way.
There was NO public transportation connecting to NASA.
NASA is about 30 miles from the heart of the city.
Then we were told by a front desk agency at the Hilton about a gentleman
that offers tours of Houston
and trips to NASA. So we call him, and him was wonderful.
He picked the four of us up at our hotel at
9 am, and he drove us to NASA, we were there for four hours and
he waited for us the entire time.
Then he give a great tour of this huge city of Houston. This
fellow has a great deal of information
to offer. We felt like we had known him all of our lives.
He charges a flat rate, whether there
was 1 or 8 people.
2. We are thinking about going to see the Astros at the Minute Maid (when in Rome...). Now we have never seen a baseball game and had no idea of the rules (sorry, but I am British :)) until I read a brief rundown of the rules this evening.
We're Canadians.
Depending on when your going to Houston I suppose ........... they may not be playing in Houston on those dates that you there. But if you do get an opportunity, do go. From what I understand from our tour guide, the ball park is only about 3-4 years old. I am sure your hotel can assist you with a schedule of game dates and tell you about getting tickets.
My question is this: Approximately, how long does a game last and will it be easy to pick up what's going on?
Thanks in advance for any feedback to my questions.
We did not go to a baseball game, but a game is about 3 hours in duration. And fun.
If I can assist you with information I learned about Houston, Texas.
And if your interested in
going to N A S A and a great personal tour, write me and I will
forward you this the information.
Good luck.
Miriam
miriam...@yahoo.com
MC
Ray Boudreaux
Maybe this why Houston is doing so well. People with negative attitudes like
Paul have moved out.
And those one week wonders who come to visit their son.
Why the hell is their son doing living in Houston ? Why didn't he stay home with
mommie and daddie ?
He's in Houston because he couldn't get a decent job in those all those wonders
cities with great restaurants
and public transit systems where your force to seat next to and smell the crap
sitting next to you. No Thanks.
Their sons and daughters are in Houston because of LOW cost of living, high
quality of LIFE. LOW, LOW
unemployement.
Screw you restuarants and public transportation.
I know that in the one week you spend in Houston visiting you visited the 24,000
eating establisment
which is issue a license from the city.
Frank F. Matthews
that they could be that ignorant.
There is a bus service for $3.50 each way.
http://www.hou-metro.harris.tx.us/pdf/routes/gulfcorridor.pdf
Miriam -Jewett wrote:
snip
> We inquired about going to N A S A at the hotel ....... taxis wanted
> to charge us $ 60.00 each way.
> There was NO public transportation connecting to NASA.
> NASA is about 30 miles from the heart of the city.
snip
> Miriam
Ray Boudreaux
Mark Brader
> > We inquired about going to N A S A at the hotel ....... taxis wanted
> > to charge us $ 60.00 each way.
> > There was NO public transportation connecting to NASA.
Frank Matthews:
> Wrong! If you got that from the hotel then they lied. It is unlikely
> that they could be that ignorant.
Or they were that ignorant. Or it was a weekend, when that bus doesn't run.
--
Mark Brader "Could you please continue the petty bickering?
Toronto I find it most intriguing."
m...@vex.net -- Data ("Haven", ST:TNG, Tracy Torme)
Julie
the world. Get on some public transport and see something instead of
sitting in your car and smelling the emissions.
Houston may be a great place to live and work - What I said and I will say
again - It is not a place to go for a holiday.
You don't know what high quality of life is if you think Houston's is high.
And believe me the cost of living is not low.
And please don't comment on why you think he is working there. You wouldn't
know, it is none of your business.
"Ray Boudreaux" <raybou...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40E98496...@yahoo.com...
Lou Minatti
> in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at the
> Ballpark for $60 pn.
It's a very nice hotel for $60/night! Big on baseball decore. I've had
out of town relatives stay there. Downtown Houston, like many American
sunbelt cities, is slowly reawakening. There are a couple of good
restaurants and bars near your hotel, but most of the action is about
6 blocks west, on Main St. The light rail line is on Main, from there
it's a quick ride to the museums and Hermann Park.
As I mentioned in another message, Houston's not really geared for
tourists (we're glad you're here anyway!), but San Antonio is. If you
have a car, San Antonio is a quick 4-hour drive down I-10. If you
don't want to drive that far, there are many tiny, interesting towns
just west of Houston, places like Fayetteville, Round Top and Shiner.
These are nice little towns with people of German and Czech descent,
and they've done a pretty good job maintaining what rural, working
towns in Texas looked like decades ago. In fact, since you'll be here
for a few days I think you'd be foolish not to see these places! Here
are some links:
http://www.fayettevilletx.com
http://www.shinertx.com
http://www.festivalhill.org
> Anyway a couple of quick questions.
>
> 1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a taxi
> rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be, approximately.
Others have addressed this. You can get there via Metro bus. NASA is a
worthy visit for a few hours, but I'd rent a car for a day rather than
take the bus due to the time involved. The Kemah Boardwalk is nearby
(great place for lunch), and Galveston is right down the road. The
beaches on Galveston Island aren't much to speak of (we call it the
Gulf of YooHoo because the water is warm and brown due to the silt
coming down off the rivers), but Galveston is a fascinating place to
visit for historical reasons. In Galveston, there are free ferries
that take you across the Bolivar Roads, and you can frequently see
dolphins and pelicans alongside the ferry. Galveston's a great place
for a day trip.
> 2. We are thinking about going to see the Astros at the Minute Maid (when in
> Rome...). Now we have never seen a baseball game and had no idea of the
> rules (sorry, but I am British :)) until I read a brief rundown of the rules
> this evening.
> My question is this:
> Approximately, how long does a game last and will it be easy to pick up
> what's going on?
Minute Maid Park, where the Astros play, is interesting in itself if
you've never been to such a stadium. If you're here in the summer,
games typically start in the early evening. The roof will be closed
due to the heat, but betwen 8:30 and 9:00, they will open the roof.
That in itself is interesting to see. It's a BIG roof! As far as
ballparks go, it's a great place to watch a game. Much better than the
Astrodome, which is now a pathetic derelict awaiting the wrecking
ball, sitting off the 610 Loop.
The game is fairly simple, although for many people it's a rather
boring sport. It's my favorite game, but I can understand why many
find it dull. True fans are into the nuances and statistics. If you're
bored, just tell someone sitting near you that you're a visitor from
overseas and you don't understand the game. I guarantee you that
you'll soon have a lively conversation, whether you want to or not.
Don't be shy, people are friendly at ballgames. :-) If you decide that
you like it, make sure to see a game at Wrigley Field in Chicago,
regarded by many as the Mecca of American baseball.
Ray Boudreaux
What a pathetic little man you are. Get out of Houston and see the rest of
the world. Get on some public transport and see something instead of
sitting in your car and smelling the emissions.
What the hell do you think that someone on public transportation
will "SEE" that I can't see from my car.
And for as smelling emission, thanks, but we all have air conditioning
and ride in the privacy and able to listen
to the music we chose. As for as smelling the emission, you stupid
ass, your going to sit or stand in a bus
or a train and not have to smell the emissions. Or standing on a
corner or station wasting time and smelling your emission.
I guess your one of this people who likes having their nose up a homeless
person's ass,
waiting for then to fart.
Houston may be a great place to live and work - What I said and I will say
again - It is not a place to go for a holiday.
I don't recall anyone laying claim that Houston is a holiday city.
You don't know what high quality of life is if you think Houston's is high.
And believe me the cost of living is not low.
How little do really know! Name another major city in the U.S.
with a lower cost of living?
And name another large city with a higher quality of life ?
And please don't comment on why you think he is working there. You wouldn't know, it is none of your business.
While this city is growing and growing with the lowest un employement
in the nation, you whiney bastards
in D.C., New York and San Francisco and other screwed up cities
are crying about lost of job, and a poor encomy. You need you get asses
off the bus and ride an S U V to work and see what the rest of are enjoying.
We can afford S U V in Houston because gasoline is selling for $1.67
a gallon. And we park our S U V's in downtown parking lots and downtown
garages for $6.00 a day.
And please bitch don't comment on any of this. Because don't know
shit.
Miriam Jewett
about.
We were inquiring about a Saturday visit to N A S A.
How often do you take the public transit from downtown Houston to N A S A or
any other part of your city?
When was the last time you when to N A S A ?
When was the last time you went to a restaurant, club, theater, sporting
event or a hotel downtown Houston ?
You probably don't know as much as you would like the rest of the readers
in the newsgroup to believe you do.
Julie
We only spent a week or two in Houston but our family lives there.
I wonder why they can't wait for the weekends to get out of the city and go
somewhere more interesting with decent restaurants and far more things of
interest to visitors.
"Ray Boudreaux" <raybou...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40EA2F7B...@yahoo.com...
Lou Minatti
> Typical Houston resident I see.
No, he's not a typical Houstonian, any more than Charles Manson is a
typical Californian.
> We only spent a week or two in Houston but our family lives there.
>
> I wonder why they can't wait for the weekends to get out of the city and go
> somewhere more interesting with decent restaurants and far more things of
> interest to visitors.
For the same reason people in cities all over the world get on
airliners and fly to other cities. Houston's never claimed to be a
tourist town, but one thing we are is a great restaurant town. I don't
buy your comment about Houston's restaurants, nor would people who
live here.
raybou...@yahoo.com
Typical Houston resident I see.
We only spent a week or two in Houston but our family lives there.
And your an expert I see. You so full of shit.
Go to the another room and wipe you ugly ass.
Now you have NO crediablity, if you don't know from one to two weeks.
I wonder why they can't wait for the weekends to get out of the city and go somewhere
Because They Can !
more interesting with decent restaurants and far more things of interest to visitors.
Who give a crap about interesting you or they think.
With 22,000 restaurants in this Houston, someone is eating in them..
With their taste, they really don't have to go so far to find a McDonalds.
If they so F--kin's unhappy in Houston, why in the hell are they doing in Houston?
Why don't tell us where you and your jobless children were before
they moved
their broke asses to Houston.
And if I were you, I would sent them your money and let them visit
you,
so you don't have to visit such a dis-interesting city.
Julie
<raybou...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:40EAE5C4...@yahoo.com...
Frank F. Matthews
excellent restaurant scene. The average food is among the best I've
found around and it certainly is among the least expensive.
Frank F. Matthews
poorly then. Since I did manage to give you a reference to the Metro
web site that should suffice to be knowledgeable.
As to knowing the downtown area I like most locals have gotten into the
habit of avoiding it given the construction mess of the last five years.
Since I live not too far away I do wander there on occasion.
I rarely take public transit to Clear Lake since my source location and
destination mean about a 2 1/2 hour trip and a long walk at the end.
Before Metro gave up on the Clear Lake bus service and made it
exclusively park & ride oriented I rode occasionally. A 45 minute drive
is much simpler.
Whenever I have to go downtown during the day I do ride the bus, mostly
for jury duty.
MTV
> You have such a turn of phrase. Your command of the language is
> magnificent and your writing is so articulate.
>
> Plonk
>
> message news:40EAE5C4...@yahoo.com...
>
The Cajuns are invading from Louisiana? Ah, but I love zydeco music.
MTV
raybou...@yahoo.com
jjp
> MTV wrote:
>
> > Paul E. Lehmann wrote:
> >> Lou Minatti wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> diblble snipped
> >>
> >> I am glad you love Houston so much. STAY THERE.
> >
> > My, what a grouch! I hope you're happy wherever you live.
>
> Yes, I am happy where I live - in north central Maryland.
>
> >
> > I lived in DC for 17 years, until being transferred here in 1986.
>
> I lived in Houston for 24 years before moving here. I live the first 21
> years of my life in north central Illinois.
>
> >I just
> > fell in love with the friendly people, "can-do" attitude, lack of
> > "winters" with green and flowers all year around, and the low cost of
> > living.
>
> I just fell in love with the reduced percentage of "Bubbas and Red Necks",
Houston is a very large, ethnically and culturally diverse city. The
"bubbas and rednecks" are few, and mostly out in the outskirts.
> four seasons instead of hot and hotter, humid and more humid. I also enjoy
No, it's hot, moderate, and very moderate -- i.e. no ice/snow.
> the QUALITY of living here and the fact that I don't have to drive 50 miles
> in any direction to get away from concrete, buildings and the "Land of
This is what often happens in a very large city.
> Flat" which is featureless and extremely depressing.
I wouldn't consider numerous bayous and lots of trees as
"featureless."
> > It does take a while to get one's body acclimated, just like
> > visiting Colorado in February, but that's why we have A/C and the 10 mile
> > tunnel system downtown (just like the skyways in Minnesota).
>
> Body acclimated, most people I know in Houston area get their body
> "Acclimated" to being inside their air conditioned home or car most of
> their existence there.
5-6 months of the year is not "most of their existance." You forget
about the the rest of the year, when half the rest of the country is
piled up with snow while Houston is in the 50's and sunny.
> > The climate
> > is no different here than all along the Gulf Coast and Southern Florida.
>
> True, It sucks the entire stretch.
>
> > I still visit my children in DC/Virginia and can only say that Springfield
> > and the Woodrow Wilson bridge, in my humble opinion, are the worst traffic
> > bottlenecks I've ever seen.
>
> I still visit my daughter, grandson and family in Houston and can only say
> that you must not have to commute in Houston because if you had to drive
> the North freeway, Southwest Freeway, Interstate 10 or loop 610 you would
> know what REAL congestion is all about.
The DC area is at least comparable. Houston is not significantly
worse.
> > There is also more smog over Reagan Nat'l
> > Airport than you'll ever see in Houston.
>
> NOT TRUE. What on earth made you make such a rediculous statement.
Maybe not, but there is more smog in several other cities -- Houston
is hardly alone in its air pollution problems. And particle pollution?
Houston doesn't even make that list.
> >We do have ozone, but it's
> > transparent, not like Eastern particulate smog.
He's right -- several other cities have problems with particle
pollution... Houston does not.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/05/01/smoggy.skies.ap/index.html
".... 1999-2001 EPA data, do not take into account a pollutant that's
considered more dangerous than smog -- tiny particles of soot
that can lodge deep in the lungs and cause heart problems and even
death."
http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=50752
Metropolitan Areas Most Polluted by Year-Round Particle Pollution
1 LOS ANGELES-LONG BEACH-RIVERSIDE, CA
2 VISALIA-PORTERVILLE, CA
3 BAKERSFIELD, CA
4 FRESNO-MADERA, CA
5 PITTSBURGH-NEW CASTLE, PA
6 DETROIT-WARREN-FLINT, MI
7 ATLANTA-SANDY SPRINGS-GAINESVILLE, GA
8 CLEVELAND-AKRON-ELYRIA, OH
9 HANFORD-CORCORAN, CA
9 BIRMINGHAM-HOOVER-CULLMAN, AL
(Houston is not on the list of 26 cities)
> Rediculous statement. The next time you fly look outside the window as you
> are leaving or coming into Houston. That greenish yellowish brownish crap
> in the air is not transparent. Tell me, how many days did the Houston
> schools have to keep kids inside because the air was to unhealthy to breath
> outside for PE or recess?
>
> > The increase in Houston's "standing" was in part to the hundreds of
> > thousands who came for the Super Bowl in February, had a wonderful time,
> > and spread the word.
>
> Yep, great place for booze and hookers.
There were countless people who had a great time and loved Houston...
and it didn't have a thing to do with booze or hookers.
> > Just my two cents worth. I'm glad that most travelers like to experience
> > different sights, people, and are adventurous at heart.
>
> Me too, otherwise I would have thought everyplace was as depressing as
> Houston. I have traveled to all forty eight states and numerous foreign
From what I can see, that seems to be YOUR personal problem.
jjp
>
> We only spent a week or two in Houston but our family lives there.
>
> I wonder why they can't wait for the weekends to get out of the city and go
> somewhere more interesting with decent restaurants and far more things of
> interest to visitors.
Uh, Esquire magazine and The Wine Spectator have more than once named
Houston as the fourth best restaurant city in the nation, just behind
New York, San Francisco and Chicago.
It also has excellent museums (and ranks third in amount of fine arts
museum space in the country) and top-notch arts (theater district is
second in size only to New York's Broadway).
Obviously you did very, very little exploring in Houston on your
visit.
jjp
> > MC wrote:
> >
> > > Firstly, thanks to those who answered my previous post, re. Finding a
> > > hotel
> > > in Houston. I went on priceline.com and got 7 nights at the 4* Inn at
> the
> > > Ballpark for $60 pn.
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. Is it easy to get to NASA via public transport. If we were to get a
> > > taxi rather than a bus (or whatever) what would the fare be,
> > > approximately.
> >
> > still visit there a couple times a year to see family and friends.
> Houston
> > is HORRIBLE when it comes to public transport. Most Houstonians perfer to
> > you will need to travel on to get to NASA can get VERY congested so be
> > TERRIBLE city built on mosquito infested swamp land and was part of a land
> > deal rip off by the Allen Brothers years ago. Why on earth would you want
> > to visit there? It is hot and EXTREMELY HUMID and summer is NOT the best
> > time to visit there. There are only two saving graces about Houston.
> > Houston has some of the best food and the most beautiful women to be found
> > anywhere.
>
> everything you said except the end. Houston has probably the worst dining
> scene for any major city we've experienced. LA, NY, and Chicago all beat
> Houston hands down. Even many medium sized cities (notably SF) has much
> more to offer in terms of restaurants.
Both of you are clueless. Houston consistently ranks well on many
"best places to live" lists.
And Esquire magazine and The Wine Spectator have more than once named
Gregory Morrow
jjp wrote:
> Uh, Esquire magazine and The Wine Spectator have more than once named
> Houston as the fourth best restaurant city in the nation, just behind
> New York, San Francisco and Chicago.
No one in NYC, SF, or Chicago (or many other large places) is going to
Houston for it's dining. But many travel to NYC, SF, and Chicago
*specifically* to partake of the dining possibilites that these cities
possess....
> It also has excellent museums (and ranks third in amount of fine arts
> museum space in the country) and top-notch arts (theater district is
> second in size only to New York's Broadway).
Which is like saying "Asheville has more azaleas than Buffalo..."
--
Best
Greg
Gregory Morrow
jjp wrote:
> Both of you are clueless. Houston consistently ranks well on many
> "best places to live" lists.
Name some and include URL's.
--
Best
Greg
.
Paul E. Lehmann
............
>
> I wouldn't consider numerous bayous and lots of trees as
> "featureless."
Tell us more about Houston's CONCRETE lined Bayous.
Tell us about Hershey Park, for example, with a walking / biking trail along
Buffalo Bayou AND the STENCH from the sewar treatment plants to wake you up
on your morning walk.
Tells us about the CONCRETED Braes Bayou and the walking / biking trail
there. Tell us about the number of people who have their cars broken into
while they are out for their walk or bike.
Trees??? I hardly call what Houston has as real trees. You should get
around the US more to see what REAL trees look like.
jjp
> jjp wrote:
>
> > Both of you are clueless. Houston consistently ranks well on many
> > "best places to live" lists.
>
>
> Name some and include URL's.
Places Rated Almanac, Relocate America, HomeStore, Cityrating.com....
you can do your own research.
jjp
> jjp wrote:
>
> ............
>
> >
> > I wouldn't consider numerous bayous and lots of trees as
> > "featureless."
>
> Tell us more about Houston's CONCRETE lined Bayous.
I've lived near two of them, and neither are concrete lined.
> Tell us about Hershey Park, for example, with a walking / biking trail along
> Buffalo Bayou AND the STENCH from the sewar treatment plants to wake you up
> on your morning walk.
I don't know about that park, there are plenty of others I go to that
are very nice.
> Tells us about the CONCRETED Braes Bayou and the walking / biking trail
> there. Tell us about the number of people who have their cars broken into
> while they are out for their walk or bike.
>
> Trees??? I hardly call what Houston has as real trees. You should get
> around the US more to see what REAL trees look like.
So the massive oaks around Rice and West U are not real trees? The
tall pines in Memorial Park are not real trees? What a load of crap.
I've been around the US and the world. I'm not a Houston or even a
Texas native. It is obvious you have some weird vendetta against
Houston -- that's not my problem, that's yours.
jjp
> jjp wrote:
>
> > Uh, Esquire magazine and The Wine Spectator have more than once named
> > Houston as the fourth best restaurant city in the nation, just behind
> > New York, San Francisco and Chicago.
>
>
> No one in NYC, SF, or Chicago (or many other large places) is going to
> Houston for it's dining. But many travel to NYC, SF, and Chicago
> *specifically* to partake of the dining possibilites that these cities
> possess....
Are people from NY going to go specifically to SF or Chicago for
dining? I kind of doubt it. I have family and friends in both NYC and
SF.
So no surprise they wouldn't go specifically to Houston for dining
either.
And none of that changes the original statement anyway -- that Houston
is recognized for being a pretty good restaurant city.
> > It also has excellent museums (and ranks third in amount of fine arts
> > museum space in the country) and top-notch arts (theater district is
> > second in size only to New York's Broadway).
>
>
> Which is like saying "Asheville has more azaleas than Buffalo..."
No it's not. It shows that the arts in Houston are big -- that is
something meaningful.
Paul E. Lehmann
> "Paul E. Lehmann" <pleh...@fred.net> wrote in message
> news:<YpOIc.1$fS2...@news.abs.net>...
>> jjp wrote:
>>
>> ............
>>
>> >
>> > I wouldn't consider numerous bayous and lots of trees as
>> > "featureless."
>>
>> Tell us more about Houston's CONCRETE lined Bayous.
>
> I've lived near two of them, and neither are concrete lined.
You said you are NOT a Houston(ian) or even a Texas and yet you have lived
near two to them - mind telling us where you lived.
>
>> Tell us about Hershey Park, for example, with a walking / biking trail
>> along Buffalo Bayou AND the STENCH from the sewar treatment plants to
>> wake you up on your morning walk.
>
> I don't know about that park, there are plenty of others I go to that
> are very nice.
It is one of THE longest hiking / biking trails in Houston and you don't
know about it and YET you are telling ME all about Houston. Dah - I think
your credibility is slipping.
BTW - Go to Memorial near Eldridge - it is in that neighborhood.
>
>> Tells us about the CONCRETED Braes Bayou and the walking / biking trail
>> there. Tell us about the number of people who have their cars broken
>> into while they are out for their walk or bike.
>>
>> Trees??? I hardly call what Houston has as real trees. You should get
>> around the US more to see what REAL trees look like.
>
> So the massive oaks around Rice and West U are not real trees? The
> tall pines in Memorial Park are not real trees? What a load of crap.
Yep, Houston and the country side around Houston has PINES and LOTS and LOTS
of pines - They are the tree of preference for "Tree Farmers" who have cut
down the native forest and replanted the forest in tree farms.
Yep, the oaks around Rice and West U are nice - For Houston - but do not
compare to areas that have real trees everywhere. Amazing what the "Money
People" in the Rice and West U can buy. What about the poor slobs in the
majority of Houston neighborhoods who have "Arizona Ash" and call them
trees.
>
> I've been around the US and the world.
So have I.
>I'm not a Houston or even a
> Texas native.
I LIVED in Houston for 17 years.
>It is obvious you have some weird vendetta against
> Houston -- that's not my problem, that's yours.
Not my problem - I don't live there anymore. - Nor do you - nor did you by
your own admission.
cop...@usa.net
on your bicycle.
Them you need to stay in faggotland !
Paul E. Lehmann
> Paul, are you one of those tight pants Jew faggots, that like to show
> your ass on your bicycle.
>
> Them you need to stay in faggotland !
Nope, quite happy as a heterosexual and btw, I am not a jew.
Now, about your comments:
Typical of the Bubba, Redneck, mindset found in Houston
d b
about the city of Houston.
Go back to your cage.
djb
cop...@usa.net
You still think you have to show your ass!
Paul E. Lehmann
> Don't know where you are from asshole but you obviously do not know a
> thing about the city of Houston.
>
> Go back to your cage.
>
Originally from Pontiac, Illinois.
Lived in Houston for 17 years.
Now live in Maryland
And now where do YOU live to make you an expert on Houston?
Paul E. Lehmann
> Chicago, thank you.
>
> You still think you have to show your ass!
>
Your really hung up on this "Ass" thing. What is YOUR problem?
Like I said, I am straight, not gay. I never even considered becoming gay.
The thought of my having sex with another male is disgusting for me.
Now for YOU. A lot of gay bashers, perhaps yourself included, think that
homosexuality is a "Choice". Tell us when you had to make that all
important decision in your life of whether you were going to be gay or
straight. Tell us about the anguish you must have gone through to make
YOUR CHOICE. Perhaps your trials and tribulations with this gut wrenching
decision would be helpful for others who are struggling with this issue.
Maybe you can tell them how you finally resolved your inner conflict. Do
you still have to supress your inner urges on a daily basis? How do you do
it - with prayer? Please tell us.
If homosexuality is not a choice and you believe it is a sin, why does god
single out some individuals and curse them with this sin? Are they the
ones god is punishing or is his punishment for the sins of their parents?
d b
there-----not that I feel I have to justify facts to you.
djb
jjp
> jjp wrote:
>
> > "Paul E. Lehmann" <pleh...@fred.net> wrote in message
> > news:<YpOIc.1$fS2...@news.abs.net>...
> >> jjp wrote:
> >>
> >> ............
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I wouldn't consider numerous bayous and lots of trees as
> >> > "featureless."
> >>
> >> Tell us more about Houston's CONCRETE lined Bayous.
> >
> > I've lived near two of them, and neither are concrete lined.
>
> You said you are NOT a Houston(ian) or even a Texas and yet you have lived
> near two to them - mind telling us where you lived.
I said I was not a NATIVE -- meaning I've lived other places first.
> >> Tell us about Hershey Park, for example, with a walking / biking trail
> >> along Buffalo Bayou AND the STENCH from the sewar treatment plants to
> >> wake you up on your morning walk.
> >
> > I don't know about that park, there are plenty of others I go to that
> > are very nice.
>
> It is one of THE longest hiking / biking trails in Houston and you don't
> know about it and YET you are telling ME all about Houston. Dah - I think
> your credibility is slipping.
>
> BTW - Go to Memorial near Eldridge - it is in that neighborhood.
I'm not talking about out in the 'burbs. There are plenty of other
parks that are closer in.
> >> Tells us about the CONCRETED Braes Bayou and the walking / biking trail
> >> there. Tell us about the number of people who have their cars broken
> >> into while they are out for their walk or bike.
> >>
> >> Trees??? I hardly call what Houston has as real trees. You should get
> >> around the US more to see what REAL trees look like.
> >
> > So the massive oaks around Rice and West U are not real trees? The
> > tall pines in Memorial Park are not real trees? What a load of crap.
>
> Yep, Houston and the country side around Houston has PINES and LOTS and LOTS
> of pines - They are the tree of preference for "Tree Farmers" who have cut
> down the native forest and replanted the forest in tree farms.
Houston is on the outer edge of a large pine forest, idiot. East
Texas? Piney Woods? Not all of those pines were planted.
> Yep, the oaks around Rice and West U are nice - For Houston - but do not
No, they're nice for anywhere -- you just can't admit that.
I've also lived in New Orleans, which has plenty of "real" oaks in the
area.
> compare to areas that have real trees everywhere. Amazing what the "Money
> People" in the Rice and West U can buy. What about the poor slobs in the
> majority of Houston neighborhoods who have "Arizona Ash" and call them
> trees.
>
> >
> > I've been around the US and the world.
>
> So have I.
>
> >I'm not a Houston or even a
> > Texas native.
>
> I LIVED in Houston for 17 years.
Yeah, and Houston is a little different than it was a decade or two
ago.
And it is obvious you have a bizarre hatred for it... and have issues
of your own.
Lou Minatti
Paul, why did you run away from our little discussion last week? You
remember: You posted a whole bunch of nasty falsehoods about Houston. I
debunked each and every one of your claims. Why did you slink away from my
rebuttal, only to return with more falsehoods?
> jjp wrote:
>
> ............
>
> >
> > I wouldn't consider numerous bayous and lots of trees as
> > "featureless."
>
> Tell us more about Houston's CONCRETE lined Bayous.
Some bayous were lined during flood control projects, most are not.
Concrete lining was done on some bayous in the 40s and 50s, when government
engineers liked big concrete projects. But as I mentioned, most Houston
bayous aren't lined. Those that are lined are certainly more attractive
than LA's concrete ditches.
> Tell us about Hershey Park, for example, with a walking / biking trail along
> Buffalo Bayou AND the STENCH from the sewar (sic) treatment plants to wake you up
> on your morning walk.
Well, considering what they contain I would imagine that just about all
sewage plants are stinky, even the ones in DC. Believe it or not, even your
sh** stinks, Paul. However, I go to Hershey Park all the time and I've
never detected a problem.
> Tells us about the CONCRETED Braes Bayou and the walking / biking trail
> there.
It's a great place to walk, jog or ride a bike, as thousands do every day.
Why do you ask?
> Tell us about the number of people who have their cars broken into
> while they are out for their walk or bike.
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/insurance/theft-cities1.asp
The 10 worst auto theft capitals of America:
1. Phoenix, Ariz.
2. Fresno, Calif.
3. Modesto, Calif.
4. Stockton-Lodi, Calif.
5. Las Vegas, Nev.
6. Miami, Fla.
7. Sacramento, Calif.
8. Oakland, Calif.
9. Seattle, Wash.
10. Tacoma, Wash.
Why do you continue to make claims that are so easy to debunk, Paul?
> Trees??? I hardly call what Houston has as real trees.
How very odd. I've been living here all this time and I thought these
massive live oaks and magnolias are real. Now you say they are FAKE TREES!
Here are some of the many fake trees around Houston:
http://www.stockyard.com/gallery/Flora/1132_G
http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_pages/0018-0406-2106-5542.html
http://www.stockyard.com/gallery/Flora/3185_G
http://www.stockyard.com/gallery/Parks-Fountains
Paul, much of Houston, including the entire west side, was nothing but open
prairie and rice farms up until 40 years ago. It takes decades for
slow-growing trees like live oaks and magnolias to mature into "real trees"
as you call them. The areas inside the 610 loop contain the many enormous
mature live oaks and magnolias, outside of 610 where the trees were planted
less than 40 years ago the trees are smaller. This is not difficult to
understand.
> You should get
> around the US more to see what REAL trees look like.
Houston has never billed itself as a tourist destination, and while some of
the complaints about my town (heat, humidity, flat terrain) are certainly
valid, I've never seen anyone claim that Houston doesn't have "real trees".
Until now. Do you have the slightest clue as to how absurd and petty you
appear to be, Paul? I don't believe you do. If you did have a clue, you
wouldn't keep coming back here to make a jackass out of yourself.
So what's the real scoop behind your bizarre hatred for my town?
Lou Minatti
> jjp wrote:
>
> > "Paul E. Lehmann" <pleh...@fred.net> wrote in message
> > news:<YpOIc.1$fS2...@news.abs.net>...
> >> jjp wrote:
> >>
> >> ............
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I wouldn't consider numerous bayous and lots of trees as
> >> > "featureless."
> >>
> >> Tell us more about Houston's CONCRETE lined Bayous.
> >
> > I've lived near two of them, and neither are concrete lined.
>
> You said you are NOT a Houston(ian) or even a Texas and yet you have lived
> near two to them - mind telling us where you lived.
Here's a better question: Why did you run away when I debunked each
and every one of your absurd claims about my town?
> >> Tell us about Hershey Park, for example, with a walking / biking trail
> >> along Buffalo Bayou AND the STENCH from the sewar treatment plants to
> >> wake you up on your morning walk.
> >
> > I don't know about that park, there are plenty of others I go to that
> > are very nice.
>
> It is one of THE longest hiking / biking trails in Houston and you don't
> know about it and YET you are telling ME all about Houston. Dah - I think
> your credibility is slipping.
Houston proper is spread out 650 square miles. Counting the suburbs,
it's spread out over 3,500 square miles. He could be living 20 miles
away from Hershey Park. Why would you think it's unusual for jjp not
to have heard of it?
> BTW - Go to Memorial near Eldridge - it is in that neighborhood.
>
> >
> >> Tells us about the CONCRETED Braes Bayou and the walking / biking trail
> >> there. Tell us about the number of people who have their cars broken
> >> into while they are out for their walk or bike.
> >>
> >> Trees??? I hardly call what Houston has as real trees. You should get
> >> around the US more to see what REAL trees look like.
> >
> > So the massive oaks around Rice and West U are not real trees? The
> > tall pines in Memorial Park are not real trees? What a load of crap.
>
> Yep, Houston and the country side around Houston has PINES and LOTS and LOTS
> of pines - They are the tree of preference for "Tree Farmers" who have cut
> down the native forest and replanted the forest in tree farms.
IOW, the northern suburbs are expanding into the East Texas Piney
Woods. (You do know that pines native to the area, right?) Funny
thing, I could have sworn that tree farming occurs all over North
America. I guess it only occurs in Houston, since it's one of your
Reasons To Hate Houston.
So how much virgin forest is left around DC, Paul?
> Yep, the oaks around Rice and West U are nice - For Houston -
How very gracious of you.
> but do not
> compare to areas that have real trees everywhere. Amazing what the "Money
> People" in the Rice and West U can buy. What about the poor slobs in the
> majority of Houston neighborhoods who have "Arizona Ash" and call them
> trees.
Junk trees like Arizona Ash are sold all over the country, and you
only complain about them when they are planted in Houston? As one
of those many "poor slobs" you look down upon from your high horse,
here's the list of trees I have on my property: Bradford pear,
southern pine, red maple, Satsuma orange, live oak, Ein Shemer
apple (2). Some folks consider crepe myrtles to be trees, I have
two that are approaching 20 feet high. No junk trees in my
neighborhood, and I don't live in West U.
> > I've been around the US and the world.
>
> So have I.
Were you obnoxious in those other cities as well?
> >I'm not a Houston or even a
> > Texas native.
>
> I LIVED in Houston for 17 years.
Would you please make up your mind?
"I lived in Houston for 24 years." - Paul E. Lehmann
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E13123EC8
"I lived in Houston for about 20 years." - Paul E. Lehmann
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V56123EC8
Regardless of how long you actually lived here, we're delighted to
know that sentence is in the past tense!
> >It is obvious you have some weird vendetta against
> > Houston -- that's not my problem, that's yours.
>
> Not my problem - I don't live there anymore. - Nor do you - nor did you by
> your own admission.
As jjp pointed out, your vendetta is indeed weird. Lots of us have
cities we'd rather not visit (for whatever reason), but we don't
fabricate phony statistics about those cities and rant about them on
Usenet. So what's the real purpose of your vendetta, Paul?
Lou Minatti
>
> > Uh, Esquire magazine and The Wine Spectator have more than once named
> > Houston as the fourth best restaurant city in the nation, just behind
> > New York, San Francisco and Chicago.
>
>
> No one in NYC, SF, or Chicago (or many other large places) is going to
> Houston for it's dining. But many travel to NYC, SF, and Chicago
> *specifically* to partake of the dining possibilites that these cities
> possess....
All undeniably great restaurant towns, but unless the person is a food
critic I've never heard of anyone dropping a thou or so for airfare
and hotel just to eat in another city's restaurant. If what you claim
is true, surely there are many references in the Usenet archives
discussing this.
Gregory Morrow
Lou Minatti wrote:
Well I will have to confer with Professor vonroach over on houston.eats
about this one....
--
Best
Greg ;---)
d b
djb
d b
to come up with more.
Way to go.
djb
Lou Minatti
Here's a better idea: Don't confer with Professor VonRoach. :-)
Paul E. Lehmann
> You addressed his complaints and falsehoods nicely and he does not
> evidently have the imagination to come up with more.
>
> Way to go.
>
> djb
That's right, I give up. I know when to quit arguing against ignorance and
stupidity.
d b
the hell you are talking about you fool
djb
Paul E. Lehmann
> So do I ----so I will not worry about you any longer. You just do not
> know what the hell you are talking about you fool
>
Keep responding. The more you write the more you show your true colors.
jjp
>
> How very odd. I've been living here all this time and I thought these
> massive live oaks and magnolias are real. Now you say they are FAKE TREES!
> Here are some of the many fake trees around Houston:
>
> http://www.stockyard.com/gallery/Flora/1132_G
> http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_pages/0018-0406-2106-5542.html
> http://www.stockyard.com/gallery/Flora/3185_G
> http://www.stockyard.com/gallery/Parks-Fountains
Hilarious.
Wow, these really had me fooled as being "real" trees:
http://www.stockyard.com/gallery/Memorial-Park/2253_G
http://www.stockyard.com/gallery/Urban-Neighborhoods/NEUN1005
And here's a street (probably in West U) with some really fake, wimpy oaks:
http://www.stockyard.com/gallery/Urban-Neighborhoods/1591_G
ROTFL!!!!
Lou Minatti
> d b wrote:
>
> > You addressed his complaints and falsehoods nicely and he does not
> > evidently have the imagination to come up with more.
> >
> > Way to go.
> >
> > djb
>
> That's right, I give up. I know when to quit arguing against ignorance and
> stupidity.
But Paul, your arguments ARE ignorance and stupidity. You come here
making absurd claims, I debunk your claims, and you don't have the
courtesy to admit that you're wrong. You never took a debate class in
high school, did you?
Paul E. Lehmann
> loumi...@myway.com (Lou Minatti) wrote in message
> news:<fc2fd83e.0407...@posting.google.com>...
>> "Paul E. Lehmann" <pleh...@fred.net> wrote in message
>> news:<YpOIc.1$fS2...@news.abs.net>...
>>
>>
>> > Trees??? I hardly call what Houston has as real trees.
Like I said; it is amazing what the money people can buy.
Why don't you show a "Representative Example" of "trees" in Houston.
d b
keep it up and so will I ---you stop responding and then I will not have
anything to respond to!
Food for thought.
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of thing is juvenile from the start.
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> Ah, lovely. Someone else who should keep their ignorance to themselves.
Um, it's called sarcasm.
Houston is a beautiful town with lots of nice trees. Paul is a fool.
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> Like I said; it is amazing what the money people can buy.
> Why don't you show a "Representative Example" of "trees" in Houston.
Would you like me to photograph the road I take from the freeway to my
neighborhood? Oaks run down both sides of much of it -- not exactly
West U size oaks, but getting there.
The fact that you are still in denial is downright laughable. It's
almost like saying Miami has no beach.
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> Like I said; it is amazing what the money people can buy.
> Why don't you show a "Representative Example" of "trees" in Houston.
Would you like me to photograph the road I take from the freeway to my
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> Houston is a beautiful town with lots of nice trees. Paul is a fool.
With this I can agree totally!
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