When I was in Italy - I froze
Justin
It was December so there was snow.
Had an awesome dinner with my family who I haven't seen in 15 years.
I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing
my ass off.
The digital thermostat red three dashes instead of a normal temperature
setting and reading.
Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
certain time even if you own the condo.
Can somebody explain that to me? Is that he cure to global warming?
Italians no longer have the freedom to turn on their heat?
Justin
I didn't ask them.
Giovanni Drogo
> Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
> certain time even if you own the condo.
Italy is divided in "climatic zones", and the law regulates the
maximum number of hours heating can stay on, and the period of the year
heating can be used. In case of exceptional cold outside such period,
the mayor can give permission to keep the heating on.
For instance this site (in italian) gives some general information
http://www.eurometeo.com/italian/read/doc_zone-climatiche
There are 6 zones, most of the north (like Milan) is in zone E. Mountain
places are in zone F (virtually unlimited heating). Zone A includes just
some places in the southernmost part of Sicily and some islands. It is
true that supposedly "warm" places (for instance the Ligurian Riviera is
zone C) can be sometimes colder inside than a nominally colder area (say
zone E) because the heating stays one for a short time even if it is
cold outside.
This other one allows to find the zone of a particular town
http://www.isolparma.it/zone/zonaclimatica.asp
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<alpine.LSU.2.00.0...@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>,
Giovanni Drogo <dr...@rn.bastiani.ta.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Justin wrote:
>
> > Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
> > certain time even if you own the condo.
>
> Italy is divided in "climatic zones", and the law regulates the
> maximum number of hours heating can stay on, and the period of the year
> heating can be used. In case of exceptional cold outside such period,
> the mayor can give permission to keep the heating on.
>
> For instance this site (in italian) gives some general information
> http://www.eurometeo.com/italian/read/doc_zone-climatiche
>
> There are 6 zones, most of the north (like Milan) is in zone E. Mountain
> places are in zone F (virtually unlimited heating). Zone A includes just
> some places in the southernmost part of Sicily and some islands. It is
> true that supposedly "warm" places (for instance the Ligurian Riviera is
> zone C) can be sometimes colder inside than a nominally colder area (say
> zone E) because the heating stays one for a short time even if it is
> cold outside.
>
> This other one allows to find the zone of a particular town
> http://www.isolparma.it/zone/zonaclimatica.asp
What's the rationale for those laws, to save fuel?
Giovanni Drogo
> What's the rationale for those laws, to save fuel?
I think so, they date back to 1993 at least.
Justin
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2009, Justin wrote:
>
>> Apparently it is a law - the heat shuts off in new construction at a
>> certain time even if you own the condo.
>
> Italy is divided in "climatic zones", and the law regulates the maximum
> number of hours heating can stay on, and the period of the year heating
> can be used. In case of exceptional cold outside such period, the mayor
> can give permission to keep the heating on.
>
> For instance this site (in italian) gives some general information
> http://www.eurometeo.com/italian/read/doc_zone-climatiche
>
> There are 6 zones, most of the north (like Milan) is in zone E. Mountain
> places are in zone F (virtually unlimited heating). Zone A includes just
> some places in the southernmost part of Sicily and some islands. It is
> true that supposedly "warm" places (for instance the Ligurian Riviera is
> zone C) can be sometimes colder inside than a nominally colder area (say
> zone E) because the heating stays one for a short time even if it is
> cold outside.
>
> This other one allows to find the zone of a particular town
> http://www.isolparma.it/zone/zonaclimatica.asp
>
>
I now understand.
Even if I have to wear a parka at night during the winter I wouldn't
mind living there! The Summers would be worth it.
J
Justin
Curiosity?
Piero
> Even if I have to wear a parka at night during the winter I wouldn't
> mind living there! The Summers would be worth it.
If you own your heating system, you can forget this law: nobody will
enter your home to see if you have heating on or off...
If you live in a condo with a central heating system, the condo boss
must obey the law to avoid problems...
I prefer at night to have a lower temperature to better breath, and a
thick cover on my bed, but if I want I can heat my home (I have an
heating system on my own...).
Ciao, Piero.
Jesper Lauridsen
Where have I seen that name before ... oh yes:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.travel.europe/msg/54499903b05ec995
> I get to bed at 11pm and I wake up in the middle of the night - freezing
> my ass off.
I froze my ass off in Arizona in March last year. The lodge we were staying
at was built without any kind of insulation, the heating was supplied by
some stupid ceiling based forced-air system, that we had to turn off to be
able to sleep, and they only supplied some thin sheets for coverage.
Luitenant Verkramp
fuckin' cowboys !
Gregory Morrow
Is it still WWII in Italy and so rationing is in force...???
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Gregory Morrow
If you think Italian heating is terrible try Italian air conditioning...
:-)
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
You should visit Arizona in summer, then! (Phoenix temps have been well
over 100F for a couple of weeks now, with no end in sight until autumn,
and the "monsoon" insures much higher humidity than expected in a desert
environment.)
Piero
> If you think Italian heating is terrible try Italian air conditioning...
As U.S. air conditioning you mean those old boxes under windows, roaring
like farm engines, with as only setup possible the switch 'HI-LO-OFF',
needing a nuclear power plant in the rear of your home to keep them
switched on?
If so, Italian air conditioning, is really different...
P.S. I have'nt yet understood why in US, inside buildings, you need to
wear sweaters in the summer and t-shirts in winter...
Ciao, Piero.
Brian
<pippopap...@NOSPAMtedeschi.it> wrote:
>As U.S. air conditioning you mean those old boxes under windows, roaring
>like farm engines, with as only setup possible the switch 'HI-LO-OFF',
>needing a nuclear power plant in the rear of your home to keep them
>switched on?
>If so, Italian air conditioning, is really different...
>
>P.S. I have'nt yet understood why in US, inside buildings, you need to
>wear sweaters in the summer and t-shirts in winter...
>
>Ciao, Piero.
We were in Italy two years ago and there were many establishments that
we were sweating in even though they were supposedly air conditioned.
Piero
> We were in Italy two years ago and there were many establishments that
> we were sweating in even though they were supposedly air conditioned.
I come in US 4 times, and every time in summer, so I don't know how
works in winter, but in every mall, in every airport, and in every
estabilishment I froze.
Is not uncommon also in other countries: UAE do the same....
I'm sure we have some estabilishment that do the same, but normally in
summer we try to keep 25-26 degrees not 18-19 (Celsius).
I admit that is easier with our air conditioning systems...
Here air conditioning is new: 20 years ago almost no car and very few
homes had air conditioning, so now all devices are very new.
In US the majority of AC devices I've seen are very old and power hungry
'box_under_window' type.
Amost never I've seen the 'Dry' option nor the temp (in degrees) setting.
The trick, at least in my home, is to try to keep 25/26 degrees with low
humidity.
If my AC device would be without the 'Dry' option, to keep the same
humidity level, I would have less than 20 degrees inside...
Where I live, in summer, the bigger problem is humidity, not temp.
Ciao, Piero.
Mister B
> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 12:55:24 +0200, Piero
>
Did you take your sweater off?
B;
Brian
<jeremy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Did you take your sweater off?
>
>B;
What sweater? Always in short sleeves and often in shorts unless we
were going to a nicer restaurant.
Piero
Maybe my dictionary fooled me...
I means the translation of Italian word 'maglione': something casual to
stay warmer (normally in winter, but also on too cooled places).
My dictionary translates 'maglione' as 'sweater'.
Ciao, Piero.
Jesper Lauridsen
>
>
> Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
>>
>> I froze my ass off in Arizona in March last year. The lodge we were staying
>> at was built without any kind of insulation, the heating was supplied by
>> some stupid ceiling based forced-air system, that we had to turn off to be
>> able to sleep, and they only supplied some thin sheets for coverage.
>
> You should visit Arizona in summer, then!
Not in a million years.
Brian
<pippopap...@NOSPAMtedeschi.it> wrote:
>Maybe my dictionary fooled me...
>I means the translation of Italian word 'maglione': something casual to
>stay warmer (normally in winter, but also on too cooled places).
>My dictionary translates 'maglione' as 'sweater'.
>
>Ciao, Piero.
My daughter will sometimes wear a sweater here in the U.S. in air
conditioning because she is cold natured.
Halbert
Normally, when scientists freeze cells, they replace the water in them
with chemicals that do not form crystals, putting the water back when
the cells are thawed. That method allowed investigators to successfully
freeze human embryos. But most cells, including embryos, have membranes
that allow cryoprotectants, the protective chemicals, to enter and
leave. The membranes of unfertilized eggs are nearly impermeable.
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Brian
I don't think anyone is talking about liquid nitrogen in this
discussion.
Justin
there's probably an Eu tax on that.
Brian
<jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
>there's probably an Eu tax on that.
Fortunately I'm not governed by the EU. At least not yet.
Justin
there's probably an EU tax on not being governed by the EU.
Justin
Piero, I think you encountered older AC units that are quite
inefficient. Like you said, A/C has only been in italy for the past 20
or so years; probably because Italy didn't have the electrical
infrastructure to support it. Now they do and only newer efficient
units are available and being installed.
In older buildings I have seen air conditioning units older than 30
years. But there are newer window air conditioning units that are quite
efficient.
What I would like to see if a government program that allows sales tax
to be reimbursed if you replace these aging units.
My relatives bought me a maglione as a parting gift.
Brian
<jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
>there's probably an EU tax on not being governed by the EU.
Or will be within a few months.
Brian
<jus...@nobecauseihatespam.com> wrote:
>What I would like to see if a government program that allows sales tax
>to be reimbursed if you replace these aging units.
There are some incentives this year but I don't know how extensive
they are.