Paris: What are they building at ...
Steven&Cindy
ago.
On both occasions I walked along the Seine on the left-bank side (with the
river on my right) heading towards the Eiffel tower and I noticed some
construction works on my left hand side. I didn't pay enough attention back
then so I don't remember the exact location, it was somewhere near the Pont
de l'Alma.
Given the high importance and value of that area I'm now curious about what
they could be building over there.
Thanks!
Eugene
Bernard T. Higonnet
Museum of African Art
http://www.quaibranly.fr/sommaire.php3?id_rubrique=20&R=2
Bernard Higonnet
Steven&Cindy
there are slim I guess)
I didnt remember it so close to the Eiffel tower, but I guess I was
distracted.
I am happy to find is going to be such a nice project.
Thanks a lot for your prompt answer!!
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Mxsmanic
> On both occasions I walked along the Seine on the left-bank side (with the
> river on my right) heading towards the Eiffel tower and I noticed some
> construction works on my left hand side. I didn't pay enough attention back
> then so I don't remember the exact location, it was somewhere near the Pont
> de l'Alma.
> Given the high importance and value of that area I'm now curious about what
> they could be building over there.
It's yet another museum.
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Mxsmanic
> I am happy to find is going to be such a nice project.
It would be even nicer with better architecture. But there are no good
architects in France, it seems.
certsnsearches
"Mxsmanic" <mxsm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It would be even nicer with better architecture. But there are no good
> architects in France, it seems.
You're right, they peaked too soon.
:0)
Brian
Mxsmanic
> In your humble opinion, of course.
Of course. But I don't often hear French names when asking others about
their favorite architects. And the name I hear most often is Frank
Lloyd Wright.
Steven&Cindy
invalides bridge?
The thing is, I though it was before the american church, but maybe im just
plainly confused :)
Thanks!
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Mxsmanic
> So there hasn't been a decent American architect for decades?
Nobody like FLW, that's for sure. But American architects are better
than French architects, IMO. The French are still stuck in the
Hoover-Dam-and-Iron look inspired by the talent-free Le Corbusier.
Frank F. Matthews
Mxsmanic wrote:
> nit...@privacy.net writes:
>
>
>>So there hasn't been a decent American architect for decades?
>
>
> Nobody like FLW, that's for sure. But American architects are better
> than French architects, IMO. The French are still stuck in the
> Hoover-Dam-and-Iron look inspired by the talent-free Le Corbusier.
>
Thank god we haven't had one like FLW for a while. We cannot afford so
many collapsing buildings.
Go Fig
<mxsm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> nit...@privacy.net writes:
>
> > In your humble opinion, of course.
>
> Of course. But I don't often hear French names when asking others about
> their favorite architects. And the name I hear most often is Frank
> Lloyd Wright.
I've spent time in 3 of his houses, they are getting old now, but they
were never user friendly...but very cool spaces.
jay
Tue Nov 23, 2004
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Tim Challenger
>> In your humble opinion, of course.
>
> Of course.
As you said elsewhere :
"I don't claim to know more than I do, but I don't affect false modesty,
either."
Just checking that this is *real* modesty.
--
Tim C.
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk
mxsm...@hotmail.com (Mxsmanic) wrote:
> nit...@privacy.net writes:
>
> > In your humble opinion, of course.
>
> Of course. But I don't often hear French names when asking others about
> their favorite architects. And the name I hear most often is Frank
> Lloyd Wright.
I imagine you are asking mostly Americans, though? Do you follow up the
question by asking what other architects they can name? Do you ask them
what their favourite /buildings/ are, and then count how many are actually
designed by FLW?
If you asked the question of Brits stopped on the street, probably a large
number would say Christopher Wren, because he's the first name who would
come to mind for many people who'd never thought about the question.
I'm not sure this kind of question and answer says anything very useful
about American, or British, or French architecture.
bogus address
>> Of course. But I don't often hear French names when asking others about
>> their favorite architects. And the name I hear most often is Frank
>> Lloyd Wright.
> I imagine you are asking mostly Americans, though? Do you follow up the
> question by asking what other architects they can name? Do you ask them
> what their favourite /buildings/ are, and then count how many are actually
> designed by FLW?
> If you asked the question of Brits stopped on the street, probably a large
> number would say Christopher Wren, because he's the first name who would
> come to mind for many people who'd never thought about the question.
Round here I think the first name that would come to mind for most
people would be Enric Miralles, with Robert Adam a distant second.
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Mxsmanic <mxsm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So there hasn't been a decent American architect for decades?
>
> Nobody like FLW, that's for sure. But American architects are better
> than French architects, IMO. The French are still stuck in the
> Hoover-Dam-and-Iron look inspired by the talent-free Le Corbusier.
I thought Corbusier was born in Switzerland? Or maybe somebody else I'm
thinking of.
What has been the impact of Mitterand's Grands Travaux? Probably
reinvigorated tourism to Paris?
The signature piece of the Grands Travaux would be I.M Pei's pyramids
and the new Louvre, n'est-ce pas? An American architect of Chinese
descent.
Who designed the Institut du Monde Arabe?
The other architect getting a lot of pub would be Gehry. People
declared Bilbao the last great architectural work of the 20th century
and that was in the late 90s they said that.
He was suppose to be doing another Guggenheim for the southern tip of
Manhattan. But this was all before 9/11.
Meanwhile, a lot of Italians and Germans getting commissions over
various parts of the US. Can't recall the last French architect
associated with a big high-profile project.
Mxsmanic
> I thought Corbusier was born in Switzerland? Or maybe somebody else I'm
> thinking of.
Possibly. He seems to have had a lot of influence on France, though.
> What has been the impact of Mitterand's Grands Travaux?
They keep his memory alive.
> Probably reinvigorated tourism to Paris?
Tourism was doing just fine before he came along, and there wasn't any
real change that I'm aware of.
> The signature piece of the Grands Travaux would be I.M Pei's pyramids
> and the new Louvre, n'est-ce pas? An American architect of Chinese
> descent.
Yes, but nobody comes to Paris to see that.
> Who designed the Institut du Monde Arabe?
I don't know. It's really ugly, though.
> The other architect getting a lot of pub would be Gehry.
Gehry is a really sorry excuse for an architect.
> Meanwhile, a lot of Italians and Germans getting commissions over
> various parts of the US. Can't recall the last French architect
> associated with a big high-profile project.
Eiffel.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
nit...@privacy.net wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 06:42:14 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsm...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Steven&Cindy writes:
>>
>>
>>>I am happy to find is going to be such a nice project.
>>
>>It would be even nicer with better architecture. But there are no good
>>architects in France, it seems.
>
>
> In your humble opinion, of course.
Having read his posts for several years, I'm quite sure
there is nothing "humble" about Mxmanic's opinions!
devil
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 18:02:49 -0000, "certsnsearches"
> <certsns...@ireland.com> wrote:
>
>>You're right, they peaked too soon.
>>
>>:0)
>
> No peaking!
Now what are you guys talking about?
Mxsmanic
> Having read his posts for several years, I'm quite sure
> there is nothing "humble" about Mxmanic's opinions!
Thanks.
Tee Doubleyou
<frankfm...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>Thank god we haven't had one like FLW for a while. We cannot afford so
>many collapsing buildings.
Can you name maybe one "collapsing building" designed by FLW?
Tee
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po...@kfu.com (poldy) wrote:
> I thought Corbusier was born in Switzerland?
Yes, he was. I'm not sure without looking it up where he actually lived,
but certainly he worked in France from the very beginning of his career.
> Meanwhile, a lot of Italians and Germans getting commissions over
> various parts of the US. Can't recall the last French architect
> associated with a big high-profile project.
Didn't Spoerry do something big in New York harbour?
> Who designed the Institut du Monde Arabe?
Jean Nouvel.
Frank F. Matthews
Tee Doubleyou wrote:
Falling Water outside Pittsburgh
They have managed to stabilize it pretty well but it would have fallen
long ago if the contractor hadn't had the sense to ignore FLWs
instructions and about triple the reinforcement in the concrete.
Mxsmanic
> Falling Water outside Pittsburgh
FLW did the architecture, not the engineering. A lot of architects seem
to dream up things that are rather questionable from an engineering
standpoint.
A few years ago the outside of the Centre Pompidou in Paris had to be
refurbished because it didn't occur to the original architect that
putting all the building's infrastructure on the outside would expose it
to the elements and cause it to deteriorate far more quickly.
Go Fig
<mxsm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews writes:
>
> > Falling Water outside Pittsburgh
>
> FLW did the architecture, not the engineering. A lot of architects seem
> to dream up things that are rather questionable from an engineering
> standpoint.
>
> A few years ago the outside of the Centre Pompidou in Paris had to be
> refurbished because it didn't occur to the original architect that
> putting all the building's infrastructure on the outside would expose it
> to the elements and cause it to deteriorate far more quickly.
But that was the theme of this structure, infrastructure on the
outside, color coded. I'm sure they had an understanding of the
exposure to the elements... they were probably just off... maybe global
warming ;-)
jay
Sun Nov 28, 2004
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Frank F. Matthews
Mxsmanic wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews writes:
>
>
>>Falling Water outside Pittsburgh
>
>
> FLW did the architecture, not the engineering. A lot of architects seem
> to dream up things that are rather questionable from an engineering
> standpoint.
>
> A few years ago the outside of the Centre Pompidou in Paris had to be
> refurbished because it didn't occur to the original architect that
> putting all the building's infrastructure on the outside would expose it
> to the elements and cause it to deteriorate far more quickly.
>
He went from design to construction and assumed engineering
responsibility. The instructions he gave to the contractors were quite
specific as to the reinforcement he wanted. The contractor cheated and
provided significantly more reinforcement and thus the building lasted
for a while until it began to collapse.
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk
Doubleyou) wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:03:00 GMT, "Frank F. Matthews"
> <frankfm...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Thank god we haven't had one like FLW for a while. We cannot afford
> so >many collapsing buildings.
>
> Can you name maybe one "collapsing building" designed by FLW?
I'm not sure any have actually collapsed. But there is a FLW college
campus I visited (in Florida, I think; I'm sorry, I can't recall the name)
that had severe problems with water ingress. Seems he wasn't very good on
the practical aspects of roofs!
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk
mxsm...@hotmail.com (Mxsmanic) wrote:
> Frank F. Matthews writes:
>
> > Falling Water outside Pittsburgh
>
> FLW did the architecture, not the engineering. A lot of architects seem
> to dream up things that are rather questionable from an engineering
> standpoint.
That's certainly true. It raises the question, of course, of whether an
architect can be "good" if they design buildings that don't work.
meurgues
Probably because none of those who have so far participated to this
thread know much about european architecture, Mxmanics included,
despite his engineering studies (sorry). I'm not a specialist but I'm
amased to see that the only names who come to your minds are Miralles,
Nouvel + Adam, Wren, Eiffel, Le Corbusier + the american, Pei, Gehry
and Wright.
Believe it or not, the european architects count among the most
imaginative FORMAL creators of CONTEMPORARY architecture (I'm not
going back to the 17th c. of course). But I'm wondering if you have
ever seen their creations in american reviews. Look the japanese one
GA DOCUMENT for a fair report. I'm not a specialist but among those
who have REINVENTED since the early 80ies (1) the MODERN architecture
FORMAL concepts (coming from Bauhaus, etc...) wich are triumphing
today worldwide ("neo-modernism" if you want) thanks to the influence
notably of japanese, dutch and even partly the Grands projects in
France (Tschumi, Portzamparc), the presence and influence of european
architects was and is still major. [(1) at a time when square glass
towers, postmodernism and "neo-historicism" were instead triumphing
in the US (Venturi, Graves) and even Europe (Bofill, Krier) with the
only but effectively notable exceptions of Meier and the singularity
of Pei and later Gehry]. Then, I remember very well the tone of
anglo-saxons architectural reviews which were turning up their nose to
this new movement until the middle of the 90ies when they finally
recognised its interest. Now these reviews are presenting this
renaissance of the modern movement architectural concepts frenetically
notably after Tony Blair millenium projects.
If I except the great japanese (ANDO, ISOSAKI, MAKI, Tange, Ito,
Kurokawa, Hara, Ban, etc...), at least I know the most influential
europeans since the 80-90ies, much numerous than their 3 american
counterparts of the time, but I've not followed the post-1995
explosion of talents notably among the young SPANISH architects and I
have forgotten some names and nationalities of many (see my possible
errors) since I don't follow the architectural scene (reviews) since
several years :
KOOLHAAS, MVRDV and OMA for the dutch, FOSTER, ROGERS, Grimshaw, for
the british, PIANO, FUKSAS, Rossi for the italians, CALATRAVA, MONEO,
Miralles, Gallego, XXXXXXXez (forgotten) for the spanish, SIZA for the
portuguese, Botta, TSCHUMI, HERZOG & DE MEURON for the swiss, Hollein
for the austrian, Himmelb(l)au (?), Ungers (?), Lubeskind (or is he US
?) for the germans and for the scandinave of whom I unfortunately
can't remember the complex (for me) names and a forgotten hungarian
too. Concerning the french : NOUVEL, DE PORTZAMPARC, PERRAULT,
Architecture studio, Aymeric & Zublena (Stade de France), Reichen &
Robert (restorations), Valode & Pistre and many talented "more local"
ones like Brenac & Gonzales, Gazeau, Stinco, Lion, Gaudin, Ciriani,
Chemetoff, Dusapin & Leclerc, etc... As far as the french were
concerned by this thread, Nouvel is the most important (contextualist
and varied), but de Potzamparc is the most balanced and subtle and
Perrault is one of the earliest and most radical figure of the recent
branch of "neo-modern minimalism" in architecture (the cabale against
the BNF is IMO totally unfair and ridiculous). They have recently and
are all still building important projects in Lucern, New-York (LVMH
tower, Ground zero), Sydney, Madrid, Tokyo, Barcelona, Luxembourg,
etc... Nouvel is building a Gugenheim museum in Brazil, in Rio I
think. You have probably noticed that the most remarquable hotel in
Disneyland Paris is Sequoia lodge (with the green roof). Did you know
that it was built by a french : Antoine Grumbach. He doesn't build
much but that's just an example. Do you remember too when Mrs Hadid
was presented in the late 90ies as the champion of deconstructivism by
a well organised "millenium media campaign" at a time when she had
build virtually nothing... except ironically in Germany (Vitra
buildings) and... France (Strasbourg) ? I don't want to minimise the
talent of the new Pritzker price (see how it worked well !) but, then,
on the contrary and for example, a young french architect had already
built since several years, in real this time..., some of the most
interesting deconstructed buildings in Europe : Frederic Borel,
notably bvd de Belleville (1989), RUE OBERKAMPF (1994) and rue
Pelleport (1999) in Paris. These very interesting formal inventions
were then royaly ignored by the same medias and are still totally
ignored by them. Have you ever heard of Borel in a US review ? That
doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. See also Himmelb(l)au in Germany.
In fact deconstructivism was born in Germany with the Berlin
philarmony I think (can't remember again... the architect's name...).
I've been recently to Cologne and Berlin in Germany and I've been
amased by the quality and daring of recent projects. I don't want to
undermine the constance of the sense of composition and harmony among
most of local and great american architects of whom WRIGHT is of
course the greatest (notably on the East coast that I have visited)
but you should recognise that local projects generally don't take many
risks there at the difference of Europe. And after all that's perhaps
not so bad at such a level. You perfectly know that most local new
developments are still built with wood structures in the style of the
middle of the XIX th c... (with horizontal boards, ex. next to Salem
station, Ma) and even in older styles (ex. Annapolis georgian capitole
offices). This is obviously charming and allows to unlarge US heritage
with new buildings which look like much older than they really are,
but don't tell please to an european that all formal creativity comes
today from the US just because one of its greatest representant is
Gehry. In fact Meier has a more european approach than you think.
After all that's with his german museums that his style reached
maturity.
IMO, the actual greatest european architects are by alphabetical order
CALATRAVA, FOSTER, KOOLHAAS, NOUVEL and PIANO. I remember too the
despising "post-war"... articles about the recent exhibition of Nouvel
creations at the Pompidou Center in anglo-saxon medias (which showed
for ex. the contest gathering 4 european architects for the
restoration of the 4 gazometers of Vienna, where his project turns
undoubtedly to be the most successfull). That's perhaps why you don't
know him as he deserves it. The quai Branly museum looks a bit like
its last minimal and colourfull style used recently at Lucern congress
hall in Switzerland, which is a real piece of art (have you ever seen
a picture of it in your architectural reviews ?). but I can't make a
judgment until the museum's achievement. If some consider that the
arab world institute is ugly please make a precise analysis of its
architectual composition.
PPPPFFFFFFFFF... Now I'm cooling down a bit. Next time I'll perhaps
turn 7 times my tongue in my mouth before speaking. :+)
didier Meurgues
meurgues
http://www.parisbalades.com/Autre/defaulte.htm , then clic on
"architect"
(in the french part, more complete, you can make a search by words).
My prefered french architect is in fact Christian de Portzamparc :
http://www.chdeportzamparc.com (website in progress)
http://www.chdeportzamparc.com/c1.html , then click in the rows of
photos
http://www.chdeportzamparc.com/p1.html
http://www.chdeportzamparc.com/t1.html
Jean Nouvel : http://www.jeannouvel.fr (look for Pittsburgh for ex.)
Lucerne congress hall :
http://www.galinsky.com/buildings/luzernkkl/index.htm
http://www.vitruvio.ch/grafica/foto/g_calatravanouvel.jpg
Just to illustrate Frédéric Borel works because he is largely ignored
and because I like him :
Bvd de Belleville 1989 :
http://www.culture2000.tee.gr/paris/dept/75/foto80/20_9foto.jpg
Use the lift below for a larger image in :
http://images.google.fr/imgres?imgurl=http://www.parisbalades.com/PhotoA/a-b-c-d/bd_de_Belleville_Borel_oui_oui.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.parisbalades.com/Cadres/cadres20belleville.htm&h=187&w=250&sz=9&tbnid=ciHDyEgjTKEJ:&tbnh=79&tbnw=105&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dborel%2Bbelleville%26svnum%3D25%26hl%3Dfr%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG
Rue Oberkampf 1994 :
http://www.artnet.com/Magazine/reviews/nahas/Images/nahas12-29-15s.jpg
See also : http://www.vitruvio.ch with many links to other UK and
german architecture websites
didier Meurgues
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Mxsmanic
> Believe it or not, the european architects count among the most
> imaginative FORMAL creators of CONTEMPORARY architecture ...
It is precisely their "imagination" that makes their work so ugly, in
many cases.
poldy
meur...@my-deja.com (meurgues) wrote:
> IMO, the actual greatest european architects are by alphabetical order
> CALATRAVA, FOSTER, KOOLHAAS, NOUVEL and PIANO. I remember too the
> despising "post-war"... articles about the recent exhibition of Nouvel
> creations at the Pompidou Center in anglo-saxon medias (which showed
> for ex. the contest gathering 4 european architects for the
> restoration of the 4 gazometers of Vienna, where his project turns
> undoubtedly to be the most successfull). That's perhaps why you don't
> know him as he deserves it. The quai Branly museum looks a bit like
> its last minimal and colourfull style used recently at Lucern congress
> hall in Switzerland, which is a real piece of art (have you ever seen
> a picture of it in your architectural reviews ?). but I can't make a
> judgment until the museum's achievement. If some consider that the
> arab world institute is ugly please make a precise analysis of its
> architectual composition.
Nouvel and Piano are the only names I recognize. But I'm not a real
student of contemporary architecture.
I thought the Institut du Monde Arabe was interesting (I liked how it
jutted into the quai/river and the photovoltaic walls/shell) but it
doesn't seem to have captured the imagination of the tourists nor
Parisians as much as the other buildings/monuments. The one time I
visited, it was pretty empty and my sense was that this was the normal
state.
meurgues
> In article <eed496ff.04113...@posting.google.com>,
> meur...@my-deja.com (meurgues) wrote:
>
> > IMO, the actual greatest european architects are by alphabetical order
> > CALATRAVA, FOSTER, KOOLHAAS, NOUVEL and PIANO. I remember too the
> > despising "post-war"... articles about the recent exhibition of Nouvel
> > creations at the Pompidou Center in anglo-saxon medias (which showed
> > for ex. the contest gathering 4 european architects for the
> > restoration of the 4 gazometers of Vienna, where his project turns
> > undoubtedly to be the most successfull). That's perhaps why you don't
> > know him as he deserves it. The quai Branly museum looks a bit like
> > its last minimal and colourfull style used recently at Lucern congress
> > hall in Switzerland, which is a real piece of art (have you ever seen
> > a picture of it in your architectural reviews ?). but I can't make a
> > judgment until the museum's achievement. If some consider that the
> > arab world institute is ugly please make a precise analysis of its
> > architectual composition.
>
> Nouvel and Piano are the only names I recognize. But I'm not a real
> student of contemporary architecture.
AGAIN, I'm not a specialist, nor an architect. Just curious. And there
are certainly some professionals who could temperate my personal
opinion and correct my possible errors.
I understand you. But you should nevertheless know Foster, at least
for an anglo-saxon (for ex. in France : Nimes carré d'art, Millau
viaduc) since he is considered as one of the greatest architect in the
world or the very gifted Calatrava (in France : Lyon Satolas airport).
Idem for Koolhaas (in France : villa dall'Ava, Lille congress hall).
Make a search in google images.
That's amasing how we are isolated from each others on each side of
the Atlantic.
I deliberatly talked of Salem Ma... because I've also seen there,
during my last trip in the US, an interesting building in this new
"modern style"... now largely in favor : the Peabody museum (new
wing)!
IMO :
It is also true that a certain "renaissance" of french architecture is
in fact rather recent... Timidly inaugurated by de Portzamparc "Hautes
Formes" in the late 70ies it grew only slowly later with the legal
obligation of contests above a certain cost and thanks to the action
of the MIQCP (a national body about architectural quality of public
buildings) and of the RIVP in Paris (equivalent action). The good
architects remained a small but singular minority until rather
recently. The main projects, which appear in french architectural
reviews, like the biggest local ones submitted to contests, which
appear in the paper version of the professional review Le Moniteur
(http://www.lemoniteur-expert.com), are nearly all satisfactory now.
But that's far from being the case for individual constructions...
(since architects are not mandatory in France under 170 m² of
"SHON"...) and since architectural culture is quasi absent from the
french people at the difference of the US, Italy, UK, Germany, etc...
Nevertheless the private dwellings developments which were among the
worst... before the 90ies have largely improved, notably in Paris
region, since the "new-style generation" is taking power : quicker IMO
than in the US where historicism is still important, but perfectly
acceptable too of course, contrary to what french architects learn and
think.
I stopped to read architectural reviews since several years. So I
don't know everyone and everything new. Through http://www.culture.fr
you find some few french links and, in cascade some other french,
british, german, swiss websites, but the french ones are not as
complete as they should be, notably the official IFA website...!! The
IFA buildings are nevertheless concerned by an actual national "grand"
project and I hope... that they will improove their website as well !
http://www.archi.fr/IFA/index.php
http://www.architectes.org
http://www.archifrance.com/DesktopDefault.aspx
http://www.archi.fr
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/da.htm
This one is the Paris website for architecture
http://www.pavillon-arsenal.com
I can't make a complete survey but I've seen other interesting "local"
architects like Decq & Cornette, Ibos, Faloci, Kagan, etc... But
you'll find now the equivalent in every european country, from Spain
to Denmark and UK to Greece.
didier Meurgues
> I thought the Institut du Monde Arabe was interesting (I liked how it
> jutted into the quai/river and the photovoltaic walls/shell) but it
> doesn't seem to have captured the imagination of the tourists nor
> Parisians as much as the other buildings/monuments. The one time I
> visited, it was pretty empty and my sense was that this was the normal
> state.
Yes, few people are interested by its rather specialised offer
(library, little museum, auditorium) except for some exhibitions like
the actual one about pharaohs.
meurgues
> meurgues writes:
>
> > Believe it or not, the european architects count among the most
> > imaginative FORMAL creators of CONTEMPORARY architecture ...
>
> It is precisely their "imagination" that makes their work so ugly, in
> many cases.
That's true if this excess of imagination breaks the rules of harmony
: often in case of "surcharge" for ex.
Not on the countrary IMO.
This "new stylish imagination" has already touch the US shores.
particularly when the architects build in Europe. :+)
http://www.murphyjahn.com/english/frameset_intro.htm (Germany)
http://www.tschumi.com/tsch_home.asp?platform=win&browser=ie&ver=6
(France)
didier Meurgues
meurgues
> Mxsmanic <mxsm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<dqqpq0husm9vkin0d...@4ax.com>...
> > meurgues writes:
A LAST ! WORD !!!
Better that way for Tschumi site :
> http://www.murphyjahn.com/english/frameset_intro.htm (works in Germany)
> http://www.tschumi.com (works in France)
I add Perrault to complete the french "trio" :
http://www.jeannouvel.fr
http://www.chdeportzamparc.com
http://www.perraultarchitecte.com
As far as France is concerned, you can find many names in the 6
"subjects", down this page :
http://www.pavillon-arsenal.com/us/permanente/index.html or in :
http://www.parisbalades.com/Autre/defaulte.htm
and then search with "nom de famille" here :
http://www.archifrance.com/DesktopDefault.aspx
I've not done it ! I suppose that there are many other european too
since they talk of 150000 european architects in the directory... ?!!!
Another one among the few french with a website :
http://www.architecture-studio.fr
THE END
didier Meurgues
Barnaby Page
> Probably because none of those who have so far participated to this
> thread know much about european architecture, Mxmanics included,
> despite his engineering studies (sorry). I'm not a specialist but I'm
> amased to see that the only names who come to your minds are Miralles,
> Nouvel + Adam, Wren, Eiffel, Le Corbusier + the american, Pei, Gehry
> and Wright.
I think you missed the point there. Nobody was saying Wright, Wren,
etc. were the only important architects. That bit of the sub-thread
was saying that members of the *general public* have often only heard
of these 'big-name' architects; and so the fact that everybody who
Mxsmanic asks names FLW as the greatest architect is not very
meaningful. (In the same way, probably most people have only heard of
a small number of physicists, so I would not try to identify the most
important physicist by asking people on the street.)
> KOOLHAAS, MVRDV and OMA for the dutch, FOSTER, ROGERS, Grimshaw, for
> the british,
FWIW I find Foster rather predictable - although he is undeniably
influential. Rogers too is perhaps more important as an influence on
urban design these days than as a practitioner. But there is more
exciting stuff IMHO coming from younger architects like Will Alsop and
Rick Mather (who I suppose is not all that young!) and Hadid, who I
think you mentioned in another context.
> PIANO, FUKSAS, Rossi for the italians, CALATRAVA, MONEO,
> Miralles, Gallego, XXXXXXXez (forgotten) for the spanish, SIZA for the
> portuguese, Botta, TSCHUMI, HERZOG & DE MEURON for the swiss, Hollein
> for the austrian, Himmelb(l)au (?), Ungers (?), Lubeskind (or is he US
> ?)
Libeskind is Polish-born, but an American most of his life. Unless you
meant Lubetkin, of course. ;)