Americans Harassed While Visiting Europe - Avoid
Johnny Hallyday
France< Germany and the UK. They said as soon as someone finds out
you are an American they rush over and tell you off and start yelling
at you. Some people ran up to them and spit at their feet.
Just awful. The wife after a week of this is almost in tears. They
are cutting their trip short. I told them to go to Switzerland,
Norway, Finland and Denmark where the people are more civilized.
Avoid Europe.
topcat
"Johnny Hallyday" <johnny_ha...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:f0223dcc.03031...@posting.google.com...
I wouldn't go to their swarmy socialist countries anyway, war or no war.
TC
JohnT
"Johnny Hallyday" <johnny_ha...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Define "civilised"? Better still, just stop trolling.
JohnT
Arwel Parry
Hallyday <johnny_ha...@yahoo.com.au> writes
PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLL
--
Arwel Parry
http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/
Da Parrot-chick
"JohnT" <johnhillr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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These are outright lies and fabrications from a troll. And you know what
happens to trolls:
*plonk*
Frank Matthews
miss that I'm from the US. When I got myself trapped in the back
streets of Toledo a bunch of folks from a small hotel there went way out
of their way to help me get myself out without more damage to the rental
car than I had already caused. They didn't speak much english but
communicated fine and spent a bunch of time getting me unwound. Maybe
they just didn't want me cluttering up the neighborhood until I could
rent a large crane. You would think that a car could go out where it
has gotten in but it doesn't seam to work that way.
As usual folks all around were nice.
My only problem, other than my driving, was the crowds on the flights.
Both ways they were full or almost full.
Frank Matthews
Patrick Finucane
> > Avoid Europe.
>
> I wouldn't go to their swarmy socialist countries anyway, war or no war.
Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrpp! <scratch balls, looks out the single-wide
window>
Desmond Coughlan
Ha, ha, ha !!
I am willing to bet a month's wages that the above is invented.
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
DBL
On 11 Mar 2003 07:44:03 -0800, johnny_ha...@yahoo.com.au
John Stolz
DBL <dbl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1c6s6v8vmd1dt6r70...@4ax.com...
doesn't seem to realise that Switzerland, Norway, Finlansd and Denmark are
in Europe.
Nobody belives you, why do you bother
topcat
Magda Carta wrote:
> ...
> ... I wouldn't go to their swarmy socialist countries anyway, war or no
war.
> ...
> ... TC
>
> One less !!! :-)))
>
> (The propaganda is *working*, folks !... :-))
>
See, PROOF they don't like us!
TC
mrtravel
Aren't Norway, Finland, and Denmark in Europe?
Be realistic, do you think the average person walking down the street on
their way to the cafe or work in Rome are going to bother with whether
you are an American or not? BTW, what do you care, your email address
says you are in .au?
Barbara Vaughan
Of course it's invented. I've found that people here in Italy hesitate
to even mention the war in my presence for fear that they'll hurt my
feelings. I have to assure them that I feel no need to defend GW.
Barbara
topcat
Magda the socialist from Europe or Canada wrote:
> ...
> ... See, PROOF they don't like us!
>
> They don't like a certain kind of you - *your* kind.
>
> (Il faut tout leur expliquer, zut !)
>
Yes, you gave up liking capitalists quite some time ago, eh?
TC - such intolerance from the left
ThrashATL
"Johnny Hallyday" <johnny_ha...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:f0223dcc.03031...@posting.google.com...
If there's a country that needs a dose of biological terrorism, France
is it. I think they should take all their French wine back to their own
country and stuff it back into the horses from which it came.
Johnny Hallyday
> I had no problem last week in Spain & Portugal. It would be hard to
> miss that I'm from the US. When I got myself trapped in the back
> streets of Toledo a bunch of folks from a small hotel there went way out
> of their way to help me get myself out without more damage to the rental
> car than I had already caused. They didn't speak much english but
> communicated fine and spent a bunch of time getting me unwound. Maybe
> they just didn't want me cluttering up the neighborhood until I could
> rent a large crane. You would think that a car could go out where it
> has gotten in but it doesn't seam to work that way.
>
> As usual folks all around were nice.
>
> My only problem, other than my driving, was the crowds on the flights.
> Both ways they were full or almost full.
>
> Frank Matthews
The Spainards and Portuguese are our allies and they are charming
people. You were in "New" Europe.
topcat
Magda wrote:
>
> I have never liked the idiots - regardless of their beliefs.
>
> Hope you have a wonderful time wrapping your house in plastic.
>
I'm not wrapping anything, I'm not stocking food and water, I'm not hiding
from the terrorists or the leftists of the socialists or the communists or
any other ist you can think of.
TC
Desmond Coughlan
Hide from the right-wingers. They're the real danger.
poopoo
"topcat" <top...@aboy.com> wrote in message
news:b4l0e7$17v$1...@news.monmouth.com...
I think everyone would prefer if you, topcat, would just remain in your
closet.
Trolls for trolls
poopoo
More PROOF that you are an asshole.
Trolls for trolls
poopoo
Tolerance is for those who have reasonable arguments. For you, tolerance is
a measure of how much bullshit one can dish out.
Trolls for trolls
gibbonsc
Yeah, I hard about an American couple who visited a small hotel in
Torquay. They had the audacity to ask for Waldorf salad at dinner, even
though it wasn't on the menu. You wouldn't have believed what happened
after that! :)
Be careful, everyone.
Lennart Petersen
"gibbonsc" <gibb...@mcmaster.ca> skrev i meddelandet
news:3E6E4B89...@mcmaster.ca...
Durran
"Barbara Vaughan" <bvau...@opr.princeton.edu> wrote in message
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Gregory Morrow
AJC wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:58:03 GMT, Frank Matthews
> <MATT...@MATH.CL.UH.EDU> wrote:
>
> >I had no problem last week in Spain & Portugal. It would be hard to
> >miss that I'm from the US. When I got myself trapped in the back
> >streets of Toledo a bunch of folks from a small hotel there went way out
> >of their way to help me get myself out without more damage to the rental
> >car than I had already caused. They didn't speak much english but
> >communicated fine and spent a bunch of time getting me unwound. Maybe
> >they just didn't want me cluttering up the neighborhood until I could
> >rent a large crane. You would think that a car could go out where it
> >has gotten in but it doesn't seam to work that way.
> >
>
>
> LOL. That reminds me of our driving in remote Andalucian villages last
> summer, thinking we would never squeeze our way out again.
>
Oh, at first reading I thought Frank was referring to Toledo, OHIO....
--
Best
Greg ;----)
Gregory Morrow
gibbonsc wrote:
> Yeah, I hard about an American couple who visited a small hotel in
> Torquay. They had the audacity to ask for Waldorf salad at dinner, even
> though it wasn't on the menu. You wouldn't have believed what happened
> after that! :)
Why yes, and the innkeeper's wife even expressed a keen desire to go to
California!
--
Best
Greg
topcat
"Magda" <pikro...@noos.fr> wrote in message
news:n1ms6vcjre9v7vrif...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:24:56 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "Durran"
<rmon...@hotmail.com>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... You dont have to defend him. He hasn't doen aything wrong.
>
> Killing people is right now ??
>
> Shrubbie is game, then.
>
Killing the *right* people is just fine, or would you have defended Hitler,
Stalin and Mussolini along with Saddam?
TC
Devil
>
> If there's a country that needs a dose of biological terrorism, France
> is it. I think they should take all their French wine back to their own
> country and stuff it back into the horses from which it came.
?
I must say I miss the connection between wine and horses.
(Although anything that keeps prices low has a good side to it.)
Devil
What about zero tolerance?
I thought these guys like that? Have they changed their mind?
:-)
Devil
> You dont have to defend him. He hasn't doen aything wrong.
Well, he certainly seems unable to do anything right.
Anyway, it does seem to me that there is at least one well-known case of
an American who got harrassed while in Europe.
Very publically at that. Rumsfeld being lectured by Joschka (sp) looked
downright wonderful.
Steve
> Just spoke to friends who are in Rome today. They have been in Italy,
> France< Germany and the UK. They said as soon as someone finds out
> you are an American they rush over and tell you off and start yelling
> at you. Some people ran up to them and spit at their feet.
>
> Just awful. The wife after a week of this is almost in tears. They
> are cutting their trip short. I told them to go to Switzerland,
> Norway, Finland and Denmark where the people are more civilized.
>
> Avoid Europe.
....and blame Mr. Bush for ruining your holiday.
--
Steve
--
President Bush's legitimate power ends at the US territorial 12 mile limit.
Beyond that point, he is just another unelected dictator imposing his will
on people who didn't - and can't - vote for him. If he wants to lead the
world, he must also be accountable to it.
Steve
> Of course it's invented. I've found that people here in Italy hesitate
> to even mention the war in my presence for fear that they'll hurt my
> feelings. I have to assure them that I feel no need to defend GW.
>
> Barbara
If you did defend him, you might find they will avoid further contact as
much as possible.
It isn't that people will abuse you.
They will act as though you aren't there.
They see that as an appropriate response to what they see as the Bush
Administrations's disregard for them.
Steve
> You dont have to defend him. He hasn't doen aything wrong.
You wouldn't adopt such a stance unless you wanted to ensure shitty service
and a bad holiday.
Don't go to Europe with that attitude.
Europe is far more democratic than the US with much greater diversity of
opinion. They are both more open and more tolerant than the American
mainstream.
But don't push it.
Steve
> Well, he certainly seems unable to do anything right.
I've been thinking about this.
Can anyone name ONE thing he has done right?
Seriously......just one.
Follow-ups are set to an appropriate newsgroup.
ronin
The US did in the 80s.
> TC
>
>
Clinton get sucked Bush sucks
> American $$$ are welcome, european are not stupid
>
> On 11 Mar 2003 07:44:03 -0800, johnny_ha...@yahoo.com.au
> (Johnny Hallyday) wrote:
>
>
>>Just spoke to friends who are in Rome today. They have been in Italy,
>>France< Germany and the UK. They said as soon as someone finds out
>>you are an American they rush over and tell you off and start yelling
>>at you. Some people ran up to them and spit at their feet.
>>
>>Just awful. The wife after a week of this is almost in tears. They
>>are cutting their trip short. I told them to go to Switzerland,
>>Norway, Finland and Denmark where the people are more civilized.
>>
>>Avoid Europe.
>
churches too
Devil
Wow, sounds quite attractive. Where can I sign on?
tandp
gibbonsc schrieb:
They weren't staying Fawlty Towers by any chance?
ellie
> ThrashATL wrote:
>
>>
>> If there's a country that needs a dose of biological terrorism, France
>> is it. I think they should take all their French wine back to their own
>> country and stuff it back into the horses from which it came.
>
>
Horses give wine?? Like cows giving milk? Wow! I have two horses and
neither of them has ever produced a drop of wine. Lots of less
desirable stuff, of course....
Desmond Coughlan
Budweiser ?
ThrashATL
"Devil" <de...@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:3E6E59CC...@attglobal.net...
> ThrashATL wrote:
> >
> > If there's a country that needs a dose of biological terrorism, France
> > is it. I think they should take all their French wine back to their own
> > country and stuff it back into the horses from which it came.
>
> ?
>
> I must say I miss the connection between wine and horses.
HORSE PISS!!!
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Da Parrot-chick wrote:
>
>
> These are outright lies and fabrications from a troll. And you know what
> happens to trolls:
Well, on rec.pets.cats.anecdotes, we hold a "troll-b-cue" and roast them
over an open fire. ("Virtually", of course - gives us a chance to
exchange recipes for the accompanying side-dishes.)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
topcat wrote:
>
> Magda Carta wrote:
>
> > ...
> > ... I wouldn't go to their swarmy socialist countries anyway, war or no
> war.
> > ...
> > ... TC
> >
> > One less !!! :-)))
> >
> > (The propaganda is *working*, folks !... :-))
> >
>
> See, PROOF they don't like us!
Depends upon which "us" you refer to. Most Americans don't like morons
like you, either!
>
> TC
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
mrtravel wrote:
>
>
> Aren't Norway, Finland, and Denmark in Europe?
>
> Be realistic, do you think the average person walking down the street on
> their way to the cafe or work in Rome are going to bother with whether
> you are an American or not? BTW, what do you care, your email address
> says you are in .au?
Good one!
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
topcat wrote:
>
> Magda the socialist from Europe or Canada wrote:
> > ...
> > ... See, PROOF they don't like us!
> >
> > They don't like a certain kind of you - *your* kind.
> >
> > (Il faut tout leur expliquer, zut !)
> >
>
> Yes, you gave up liking capitalists quite some time ago, eh?
Not "capitalists", just assholes! (Of whatever nationality.)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Magda wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:55:59 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "topcat" <top...@aboy.com>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ...
> ... Yes, you gave up liking capitalists quite some time ago, eh?
> ...
> ... TC - such intolerance from the left
>
> I have never liked the idiots - regardless of their beliefs.
>
> Hope you have a wonderful time wrapping your house in plastic.
....And be sure it's air-tight - that way you may suffocate and remove
yourself from the gene pool!
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Desmond Coughlan wrote:
>
> le Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:03:18 -0500, dans l'article <b4lfq0$8fu$1...@news.monmouth.com>, topcat <top...@aboy.com> a dit ...
>
> >> I have never liked the idiots - regardless of their beliefs.
> >>
> >> Hope you have a wonderful time wrapping your house in plastic.
>
> > I'm not wrapping anything, I'm not stocking food and water, I'm not hiding
> > from the terrorists or the leftists of the socialists or the communists or
> > any other ist you can think of.
>
> Hide from the right-wingers. They're the real danger.
No, NOT "hide"! (That's what they're counting on - for sneaking things
like the "Patriot Act" by us while we're trying to convince ourselves
America can do no wrong!)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Durran wrote:
>
> You dont have to defend him. He hasn't doen aything wrong.
That's not everyone's perception - even in his own country! (And our
numbers are growing - if Cheney weren't worse, someone would probably
already have started a move to impeach the shrub.)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
But I've never seen "Waldorf salad" on any menu in California, either!
I'm not even sure I know what it is. (Except that it's some sort of
fruit salad, which I detest on general principles - fruit should end a
meal, not begin it!)
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Steve wrote:
>
>
> ....and blame Mr. Bush for ruining your holiday.
>
> --
> Steve
> --
> President Bush's legitimate power ends at the US territorial 12 mile limit.
> Beyond that point, he is just another unelected dictator imposing his will
> on people who didn't - and can't - vote for him. If he wants to lead the
> world, he must also be accountable to it.
Well, a lot of the folks in his OWN country didn't vote for him either -
roughly 50% of them.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Desmond Coughlan wrote:
>
> le Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:04:44 GMT, dans l'article <3E6E87B0...@attbi.com>, ellie <removetosend...@attbi.com> a dit ...
>
> >>> If there's a country that needs a dose of biological terrorism, France
> >>> is it. I think they should take all their French wine back to their own
> >>> country and stuff it back into the horses from which it came.
>
> > Horses give wine?? Like cows giving milk? Wow! I have two horses and
> > neither of them has ever produced a drop of wine. Lots of less
> > desirable stuff, of course....
>
> Budweiser ?
Well, I've heard it so described!
mga707
>
> Oh, at first reading I thought Frank was referring to Toledo, OHIO....
You mean there's another one?
Oh, wait...it's in Europe. Who cares?
Steve
....25%...and the other 50% don't vote at all.
Maybe we can drag them out to get rid of him in 2004?
ellie
Desmond Coughlan wrote:
> le Wed, 12 Mar 2003 01:04:44 GMT, dans l'article <3E6E87B0...@attbi.com>, ellie <removetosend...@attbi.com> a dit ...
>
>
>>>>If there's a country that needs a dose of biological terrorism, France
>>>>is it. I think they should take all their French wine back to their own
>>>>country and stuff it back into the horses from which it came.
>>>
>
>>Horses give wine?? Like cows giving milk? Wow! I have two horses and
>>neither of them has ever produced a drop of wine. Lots of less
>>desirable stuff, of course....
>
>
> Budweiser ?
>
Yep. Shhhhhhh. Don't tell anyone. ;-)
Matthias Melzer
>Just spoke to friends who are in Rome today. They have been in Italy,
>France< Germany and the UK. They said as soon as someone finds out
>you are an American they rush over and tell you off and start yelling
>at you. Some people ran up to them and spit at their feet.
LOL - should we really believe this?
How do they get recognized? Running around with a big flag?
Matthias
Frank Matthews
spread of local foods at the Pousada in Palmela.
Frank Matthews
amp_spamfree
> Johnny Hallyday wrote:
> >
> > Just spoke to friends who are in Rome today. They have been in Italy,
> > France< Germany and the UK. They said as soon as someone finds out
> > you are an American they rush over and tell you off and start yelling
> > at you. Some people ran up to them and spit at their feet.
> >
> > are cutting their trip short. I told them to go to Switzerland,
> > Norway, Finland and Denmark where the people are more civilized.
> >
> > Avoid Europe.
>
>
> Be realistic, do you think the average person walking down the street on
> their way to the cafe or work in Rome are going to bother with whether
> you are an American or not?
Here's a link to an interesting article that describes some first hand
anecdotal accounts.
http://www.vincev.com/int_europe.html
I haven't seen any overt anti-American sentiment at the individual
level first hand but certainly there is plenty at the government
level.
Donna Evleth
Dans l'article <3E6F3838...@MATH.CL.UH.EDU>, Frank Matthews
<MATT...@MATH.CL.UH.EDU> a écrit :
> But I've never seen "Waldorf salad" on any menu in California, either!
>> I'm not even sure I know what it is. (Except that it's some sort of
>> fruit salad, which I detest on general principles - fruit should end a
>> meal, not begin it!)
A Waldorf salad involves lettuce, apples and walnuts slathered with (ugh)
mayonnaise. I hated this salad as a child, and nothing has changed.
Donna Evleth
>>
>>
Juliana L Holm
> A Waldorf salad involves lettuce, apples and walnuts slathered with (ugh)
> mayonnaise. I hated this salad as a child, and nothing has changed.
They have a good Waldorf salad at the Ruby Tuesday chain of restaurants on
the salad bars. Also often has raisins.
Julie
who likes waldorf salad.
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Bill Pittman
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> But I've never seen "Waldorf salad" on any menu in California, either!
> I'm not even sure I know what it is. (Except that it's some sort of
> fruit salad, which I detest on general principles - fruit should end a
> meal, not begin it!)
Apples, raisins, celery, walnuts.
The Reids
>They had the audacity to ask for Waldorf salad at dinner,
not to mention "a screwdriver" :-)
I love the lines (roughly)
US Customer: "couldn't find the dammed freeway, had to come on some
backroad called the M4"
Basil Forte: "Yes well, in this country many cars are equipped with
steering wheels"
something like that.
--
Mike Reid
Land of roast meat "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk/castile.htm"
(see web to email)
Jean Moulin
Hi,
http://www.allianceforamerica.org/counties_won.htm has an interesting
map showing the country in red/blue by county... red gore, blue bush.
--
"But to live outside the law, you must be honest"
Bob Dylan - Absolutely Sweet Marie - 1966
topcat
ronin wrote:
> >
> > Killing the *right* people is just fine, or would you have defended
> Hitler,
> > Stalin and Mussolini along with Saddam?
>
> The US did in the 80s.
I'll assume you mean Saddam and not Hitler, etc.
I take it by this response you would have rather defended the American
hostage taking Ayatollah Khomeini instead of Saddam, is that your position?
TC
topcat
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> >
> > Hope you have a wonderful time wrapping your house in plastic.
>
> ....And be sure it's air-tight - that way you may suffocate and remove
> yourself from the gene pool!
Such hate-filled responses from these socialists. I thought you people were
supposed to be tolerant of all views? I guess the truth is you're only
tolerant of those with *your* views.
VIVA LE BUSH! CRUSH SADDAM NOW!
TC
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Juliana L Holm wrote:
>
> In rec.travel.europe Donna Evleth <dev...@noos.fr> wrote:
>
> > A Waldorf salad involves lettuce, apples and walnuts slathered with (ugh)
> > mayonnaise. I hated this salad as a child, and nothing has changed.
>
> They have a good Waldorf salad at the Ruby Tuesday chain of restaurants on
> the salad bars. Also often has raisins.
Yu-u-k! (As bad as shredded carrots and raisins - but not quite so bad
as chicken salad with canned pineapple chunks!) IMO, raisins belong in
oatmeal cookies, plum pudding, rum-raisin ice cream and as desert in
children's lunch-bags. ....Oh, and "mincemeat" for holiday pies.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Steve wrote:
>
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) allegedly said:
>
> >
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> ....and blame Mr. Bush for ruining your holiday.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Steve
> >> --
> >> President Bush's legitimate power ends at the US territorial 12 mile
> >> limit. Beyond that point, he is just another unelected dictator imposing
> >> his will on people who didn't - and can't - vote for him. If he wants to
> >> lead the world, he must also be accountable to it.
> >
> > Well, a lot of the folks in his OWN country didn't vote for him either -
> > roughly 50% of them.
>
> ....25%...and the other 50% don't vote at all.
>
> Maybe we can drag them out to get rid of him in 2004?
Dunno about you, but even though I've never been a political activist,
I'll make an exception for the next election, and help "get out the
vote" - assuming they hold one.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Maybe rudely interrupt conversations to demand (loudly) "Doesn't anyone
here speak English, for God's sake?"
>
> Matthias
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
That surprises you?
devil
Zero tolerance. (Who was it who was preaching that?)
> VIVA LE BUSH! CRUSH SADDAM NOW!
Uh? Weren't they made for each other? Reminds of of the
Galtieri-Thatcher couple of the century.
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk
dev...@noos.fr (Donna Evleth) wrote:
> A Waldorf salad involves lettuce, apples and walnuts slathered with
> (ugh)
> mayonnaise. I hated this salad as a child, and nothing has changed.
Indeed. A great example of how one can create a foul concoction out of
individually inoffensive or even delicious ingredients.
ellie clemens
macadamia nuts
peanut butter (all I could find was peanut butter with lots of sugar)
blueberries
cranberries (or canned cranberry sauce)
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Tim
> Are these American foods available in Europe:
>
> macadamia nuts
> peanut butter (all I could find was peanut butter with lots of sugar)
> blueberries
> cranberries (or canned cranberry sauce)
yes,
yes,
yes,
yes.
The Reids
> IMO, raisins belong in
>oatmeal cookies, plum pudding, rum-raisin ice cream and as desert in
>children's lunch-bags.
and 1950s english curries <shudder>
Victor M. Martinez
>http://www.allianceforamerica.org/counties_won.htm has an interesting
>map showing the country in red/blue by county... red gore, blue bush.
That's irrelevant. More people voted for Gore than for Bush. In fact, you
could argue that well over 55% of the people who voted did so against Bush.
--
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mar...@FAKE.che.utexas.edu
http://www.che.utexas.edu/~martiv
Jean Moulin
1) who won the vote that counted? (the electoral college)
2) who won their home State?
3) who won the election?
the answer to 1, 2, and 3 is: George Walker Bush.
and no... Gore did NOT get 55% of the votes cast either.
from factmonster:
Three times in election history a candidate has won the popular vote but
lost the election.
In 1824, Andrew Jackson won both the popular and the electoral vote—that
is he received more votes than any of the other candidates. But, no one
in the four-man race won a majority, or more than 50%, in the Electoral
College, so the House of Representatives decided the outcome. The House
picked John Quincy Adams, who had come in second in the popular and
electoral votes.
In 1876, Samuel J. Tilden won 51% of the popular vote, while Rutherford
B. Hayes captured 48%. However, Hayes won 185 electoral votes, while
Tilden got 184. A special electoral commission picked Hayes to be president.
In 1888, Benjamin Harrison became president by winning 233 electoral
votes, even though he received only 47.8% of the popular vote. His
opponent, Grover Cleveland, garnered 48.6% of the popular vote, yet
received only 168 electoral votes.
In 2000, Al Gore won 48.38% of the popular vote and 266 electoral votes.
George W. Bush won only 47.87% of the popular vote but received 271
electoral votes, thus won the election.
Victor M. Martinez wrote:
> Jean Moulin <Jean....@ncr.fr> wrote:
>
>>http://www.allianceforamerica.org/counties_won.htm has an interesting
>>map showing the country in red/blue by county... red gore, blue bush.
>
>
> That's irrelevant. More people voted for Gore than for Bush. In fact, you
> could argue that well over 55% of the people who voted did so against Bush.
>
--
Keith Anderson
Q - Why is drinking Budweiser like making love in a boat?
A - 'Cos it's fucking close to water
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk
clemens) wrote:
> Are these American foods available in Europe:
In the UK:
> macadamia nuts
Yes.
> peanut butter (all I could find was peanut butter with lots of sugar)
Yes. Lots of different brands so you should find one that suits you.
> blueberries
Yes.
> cranberries (or canned cranberry sauce)
The sauce certainly is. I don't recall ever seeing loose cranberries,
though.
Jenn
"Donna Evleth" <dev...@noos.fr> wrote:
a waldorf salad never contains lettuce -- it is apples, walnuts, celery
and dates dressed with mayonaise.
ellie clemens
Of course, the up side is that the fruit that I do find in the marché is of exquisite quality and actually ripe, something that is a rarity here in the US. The only way to get a good tasting peach here is to grow your own. Even the local farm stands pick them when they are still hard and although they soften they never get ripe.
Brian
wrote:
You can't spit without hitting a tub of fresh cranberries at Christmas
time. You can certainly buy them loose during other times of the year
but its more of a challenge
Brian
Brian
The original Waldorf salad contained nothing but apples celery and
mayonnaise. Walnuts were added as a garnish, and subsequently
grapes/raisins which have been sometimes replaced with dates as
preferred, as walnuts have also sometimes been replaced with pecans.
(But yes, definitely not lettuce)
Brian
ellie clemens
Magda wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:41:56 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, ellie clemens <ecle...@attbi.com>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
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> ... Are these American foods available in Europe:
> ...
> ... macadamia nuts
> ... peanut butter (all I could find was peanut butter with lots of sugar)
> ... blueberries
> ... cranberries (or canned cranberry sauce)
>
>You will find frozen cranberries at Picard.
>
>
>
Thanks! I just went to their website and found that there's a Picard in
Carcassonne, which is about a half hour drive from our house. For most
purposes, frozen cranberries are just as good as fresh.
James Silverton
"ellie clemens" <ecle...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>In article <3E6F6469...@attbi.com>, ecle...@attbi.com (ellie
>clemens) wrote:
>
>
>
>>Are these American foods available in Europe:
>>
>>
>
>In the UK:
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>
>>macadamia nuts
I've found something close to blueberries,
called myrtille, but I think this is Vaccinium myrtillus as opposed to
Vaccinium corymbosum, the North American high-bush blueberry. Hard to
contemplate life without blueberry pie! Maybe I can find a source for
the bush and grow my own. 8^)
European blueberries make pretty good pies. My grandmother in Northumberland
would make them for my grandfather if he went out to the moors and picked
bilberries (or blaeberries). However, one of the events of his later life
came when he discovered frozen blueberries in the supermarket (probably
American.)
--
James V. Silverton
Potomac, Maryland, USA
ellie clemens
James Silverton wrote:
>European blueberries make pretty good pies. My grandmother in Northumberland
>would make them for my grandfather if he went out to the moors and picked
>bilberries (or blaeberries). However, one of the events of his later life
>came when he discovered frozen blueberries in the supermarket (probably
>American.)
>
>
>
I was just looking through the offerings at Picard and found that they
have frozen North American blueberries. Happy happy me!!!! These are
fom Canada. In fact, ours back here usually come form Canada as well.
Or, some years, from the bushes next to our hayfields, if the poison
ivy hasn't made them untouchable. I'll try making pies with the local
French version too - why not?
Donna Evleth
Dans l'article <3E6F5DCB...@earthlink.net>,
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> a écrit :
Especially rum-raisin ice cream.
Donna Evleth
Donna Evleth
Dans l'article <3E6F6469...@attbi.com>, ellie clemens
<ecle...@attbi.com> a écrit :
> Are these American foods available in Europe:
>
> macadamia nuts
> peanut butter (all I could find was peanut butter with lots of sugar)
> blueberries
> cranberries (or canned cranberry sauce)
Macadamia nuts I don't know about. I never had much luck finding them away
from the West Coast and Hawaii in the US, but that was years ago. I would
really like to be able to have them more often, as I love them.
Peanut butter can be found at American grocery stores here in France. The
one closest to me is called the Real McCoy, and it's on the rue de Grenelle
in the 7th arrondissement. But I don't know about the sugar content. I
don't happen to care for peanut butter. And since I was the mother of a
daughter who didn't just not care for it, but absolutely hated it, I am not
an expert in this field.
Fresh blueberries are available, in season, in any local greengrocer. I buy
a lot of them because I just love them.
Canned cranberry sauce is available at American groceries like the one
mentioned above. I don't buy it myself because my husband Earl never liked
cranberry sauce. But I know it's there.
Donna Evleth
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Thank you for this quote. I liked it too.
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Donna Evleth
Dans l'article <jenn-791875.1...@news.vanderbilt.edu>, Jenn
<je...@hmplc.com> a écrit :
The lettuce was around the edge. I had forgotten about the celery. I never
ate it with dates - certainly NOT an improvement. Still absolutely awful.
The only reason I choked down the stuff at all was because I was raised to
eat what people served me. This awful excuse for a salad was never ever
served in my own home, but I had it served to me in other peoples' homes. I
choked it down politely, and never let it darken my own door.
Donna Evleth
Jenn
"Donna Evleth" <dev...@noos.fr> wrote:
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> Dans l'article <jenn-791875.1...@news.vanderbilt.edu>, Jenn
> <je...@hmplc.com> a écrit :
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> > In article <3e6f40cb$0$29555$79c1...@nan-newsreader-02.noos.net>,
> > "Donna Evleth" <dev...@noos.fr> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Dans l'article <3E6F3838...@MATH.CL.UH.EDU>, Frank Matthews
> >> <MATT...@MATH.CL.UH.EDU> a écrit :
> >>
> >>
> >> > But I've never seen "Waldorf salad" on any menu in California, either!
> >> >> I'm not even sure I know what it is. (Except that it's some sort of
> >> >> fruit salad, which I detest on general principles - fruit should end a
> >> >> meal, not begin it!)
> >>
> >> A Waldorf salad involves lettuce, apples and walnuts slathered with (ugh)
> >> mayonnaise. I hated this salad as a child, and nothing has changed.
> >>
> >> Donna Evleth
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >
> > a waldorf salad never contains lettuce -- it is apples, walnuts, celery
> > and dates dressed with mayonaise.
>
> The lettuce was around the edge. I had forgotten about the celery. I never
> ate it with dates - certainly NOT an improvement. Still absolutely awful.
> The only reason I choked down the stuff at all was because I was raised to
> eat what people served me. This awful excuse for a salad was never ever
> served in my own home, but I had it served to me in other peoples' homes. I
> choked it down politely, and never let it darken my own door.
>
> Donna Evleth
I find it rather bland -- but certainly not objectionable -- but to each
his own
ellie clemens
Magda wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:43:06 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, ellie clemens <ecle...@attbi.com>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
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>
>Just be aware that not all Picard shops will have all the products you want. I'm still
>trying to persuade the one near my place to have haricots plats coupés... and pineapple
>sorbet, too !
>
>
Ahhhhhh. Yes, I could be disappointed, I suppose. We're leaving next
Tuesday for a quick two-week trip to France, the last trip before we
relocate to the in the fall. I'll have to check out the local Picard
and see what they have to offer while we're there.
A friend from our town sent me a photo form there today - lizards
basking in the sun. And I'm chipping ice off the driveway and preparing
for another three inches of snow tomorrow. I'll be so happy to be
someplace where it is spring!
Oh, geez, I forgot - I'm supposed to be terrified that people will spit
on me! Guess I better wear washable clothes. ;^)
ellie clemens
Donna Evleth wrote:
Macadamia nuts I don't know about. I never had much luck finding them away from the West Coast and Hawaii in the US, but that was years ago.
Peanut butter can be found at American grocery stores here in France.
Other things I was wondering about are cream cheese and sour cream. There's a soft cheese I've found in the InterMarché, called something like "Recette de Madame Loïk", that's similar to cream cheese but it's not quite the same. I never looked for sour cream but when I used some in a recipe a few days ago I wondered if it existed in France.
Fresh blueberries are available, in season, in any local greengrocer. I buy a lot of them because I just love them.
Thanks!
Gordon Forbess
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summer
that i know Germany better than you. I know people there and they are not
monster like you like to describe them. Of course there are few stupid
people
and so are you, you redneck.
what would happen when one day Spain and Portugal are against USA and
Germany support USA because there have happened a government change
then you kiss all German people and hate Spain and Portugal. what a stupid
thought. I tell you: under friendship there can be different opinion but
they can
not be friends because of different opinion is nonsense. the same with
countries.
you don't need to visit Europe and can stay in your house and waste your
time,
bye good (?) patriot.
> The Spainards and Portuguese are our allies and they are charming
> people. You were in "New" Europe.
June Huth
U.S. has?
"Steve" <st...@nospam.org.za> wrote in message
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> Durran allegedly said:
>
> > You dont have to defend him. He hasn't doen aything wrong.
>
> You wouldn't adopt such a stance unless you wanted to ensure shitty
service
> and a bad holiday.
>
> Don't go to Europe with that attitude.
>
> Europe is far more democratic than the US with much greater diversity of
> opinion. They are both more open and more tolerant than the American
> mainstream.
>
> But don't push it.
>
> --
> Steve
> --
> President Bush's legitimate power ends at the US territorial 12 mile
limit.
> Beyond that point, he is just another unelected dictator imposing his will
> on people who didn't - and can't - vote for him. If he wants to lead the
> world, he must also be accountable to it.
John Starrett
<snip>
> The lettuce was around the edge. I had forgotten about the celery. I never
> ate it with dates - certainly NOT an improvement. Still absolutely awful.
> The only reason I choked down the stuff at all was because I was raised to
> eat what people served me. This awful excuse for a salad was never ever
> served in my own home, but I had it served to me in other peoples' homes. I
> choked it down politely, and never let it darken my own door.
>
> Donna Evleth
I find the revulsion towards Waldorf salad hard to
understand. The basic ingredients; apples, celery and
walnuts go beautifully together. Yes, mayonnaise is a little
incongruous, but I don't use it. Instead, try dressing the
basics with some rice wine vinegar sweetened with honey or
sugar.
--
John Starrett
"We have nothing to fear but the scary stuff"
Padraig Breathnach
>I find the revulsion towards Waldorf salad hard to
>understand. The basic ingredients; apples, celery and
>walnuts go beautifully together. Yes, mayonnaise is a little
>incongruous, but I don't use it. Instead, try dressing the
>basics with some rice wine vinegar sweetened with honey or
>sugar.
Sounds better. But is it still Waldorf salad?
PB
Dave Smith
> Just spoke to friends who are in Rome today. They have been in Italy,
> France< Germany and the UK. They said as soon as someone finds out
> you are an American they rush over and tell you off and start yelling
> at you. Some people ran up to them and spit at their feet.
>
> Just awful. The wife after a week of this is almost in tears. They
> are cutting their trip short. I told them to go to Switzerland,
> Norway, Finland and Denmark where the people are more civilized.
>
> Avoid Europe.
LOL troll. The last I heard, Switzerland, Norway, Finland and Denmark were
all in Europe.
Bill Pittman
wrote:
> EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
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> > >
> > > Hope you have a wonderful time wrapping your house in plastic.
> >
> > ....And be sure it's air-tight - that way you may suffocate and remove
> > yourself from the gene pool!
>
> Such hate-filled responses from these socialists. I thought you people were
> supposed to be tolerant of all views? I guess the truth is you're only
> tolerant of those with *your* views.
Please explain to me, in considerable detail, what is "hate-filled"
about well deserved ridicule.
Frank Matthews
If you are going to lead of with my name please leave in something that
I wrote. While I have contributed to the thread I had nothing to do
with the parts below.
Frank Matthews
kyle
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
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>
> The sauce certainly is. I don't recall ever seeing loose cranberries,
> though.
They may not travel well - or else there's some issue with plant
"diseases"?