GRATUITIES...Look within, maybe you are cheap....
R C & M S
were not doing a good job?
LISTEN, you are getting service 24/7 on board and while your steward may not
be the best...he still does his job....never been on a cruise where my room
was not done eventually...food was always there...pool help
attentive...bartenders anxious to please.... So come on...give us a
break!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is pitiful to me to see passengers go to front desk the first day of the
cruise and ask for tips to be removed...and the sad look on the wife who so
looked forward to this once in a lifetime experience and finds that her
hubby lacks money sense!
--
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know
for sure, that just ain't so.
Mark Twain
Bert Hyman
<tanm...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> When you work at your job, does your boss ever deduct money for days
> you were not doing a good job?
I'm paid an agreed-on salary, and don't expect the clients or customers
I meet with to slip me a little something extra. In fact, if I was to
ask for or accept such extra payments, I'd be fired.
If I don't do my job, I'll be fired.
If I perform above expectations, I'll be in line for a raise or
promotion.
Maybe the "service industry" should consider adopting this revolutionary
scheme.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
Ermalee
> When you work at your job, does your boss ever deduct money for days you
> were not doing a good job?
>
> LISTEN, you are getting service 24/7 on board and while your steward may not
> be the best...he still does his job....never been on a cruise where my room
> was not done eventually...food was always there...pool help
> attentive...bartenders anxious to please.... So come on...give us a
> break!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> it is pitiful to me to see passengers go to front desk the first day of the
> cruise and ask for tips to be removed...and the sad look on the wife who so
> looked forward to this once in a lifetime experience and finds that her
> hubby lacks money sense!
>
My service on the Volendam recently was so bad, both in the cabin and in
the dining room, that I was sorely tempted. At the end of the cruise, I
just didn't have the heart to cancel the tips, but believe me, nobody on
that ship got anything extra except for the people providing wonderful
room service!
That was the second time this happened. The first time was on the QE2
several years ago.
Ermalee
Rosalie B.
>When you work at your job, does your boss ever deduct money for days you
>were not doing a good job?
If you work in a place where half of your salary is presumed to be
tips (like a restaurant), then your 'boss' is the people you wait on,
and they can fail to tip.
>LISTEN, you are getting service 24/7 on board and while your steward may not
>be the best...he still does his job....never been on a cruise where my room
>was not done eventually...food was always there...pool help
>attentive...bartenders anxious to please.... So come on...give us a
>break!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
I have been on a cruise where the cabin steward was not very good.
Not enough to opt out, but enough so that we didn't give them any
additional, which we normally would do. AFAI am concerned, the $10 a
day is part of the cost of the cruise, and when we DON'T give the crew
members that we see every day an extra tip, that is the same as opting
out.
>it is pitiful to me to see passengers go to front desk the first day of the
>cruise and ask for tips to be removed...and the sad look on the wife who so
>looked forward to this once in a lifetime experience and finds that her
>hubby lacks money sense!
If she's been married any length of time, it would be pitiful if she
didn't know her husband well enough to know what he was likely to do.
Otherwise, it is either that she agrees, or that she has
insufficiently explained to him what she wants.
R C & M S
injuries or other disabilities or you are in a protected class...you are
delusional if you think the general population of america can be fired
easily....and how does anyone know you are doing a good job?....and can you
not get a promotion in many other ways than just doing your job?
"Bert Hyman" <be...@iphouse.com> wrote in message
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Philip and Heather Johnson
drinks, and say, "Don't forget about us this week." ...wink wink, nudge
nudge, know what I mean...
Phil >...never had a complaint with the cabin
"R C & M S" <tanm...@san.rr.com> wrote in message
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Bert Hyman
<tanm...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> Your logic does not apply to civil service...or to people with workers
> comp injuries or other disabilities or you are in a protected
> class...you are delusional if you think the general population of
> america can be fired easily....
What does any of this have to do with the people you were talking about
in your original post?
Are you always so easily distracted, my top-posting friend?
> and how does anyone know you are doing a good job?
>....and can you not get a promotion in many other ways than
> just doing your job?
How long has it been since you held down a job?
Sue and Kevin Mullen
Philip and Heather Johnson wrote:
> I always slip the cabin steward 20 bucks the first day, what's that? 3
> drinks, and say, "Don't forget about us this week." ...wink wink, nudge
> nudge, know what I mean...
>
> Phil >...never had a complaint with the cabin
I consider tipping ahead to be a form of bribery and have never done
it. We do give a nice additional tip at the end if the service
deserves it and we have rarely had a problem. Of course on our last
cruise on the Volendam, the dining room staff was lucky that none of
us removed all their tips from our account.
sue
Jean O'Boyle
"Philip and Heather Johnson" <ily...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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>I always slip the cabin steward 20 bucks the first day, what's that? 3
>drinks, and say, "Don't forget about us this week." ...wink wink, nudge
>nudge, know what I mean...
>
> Phil >...never had a complaint with the cabin
That to me, is a bribe and an insult insinuating that you will not get good
service unless you make a *deposit*...We have had poor cabin service only
once in 36 cruises...(the Norway, in a penthouse suite where the cabin
steward received no extra tip) On the others, we got excellent to superior
service meriting a tip commensurate with that service.
On the Volendam, we had very poor dining room service...so we did not remove
the automatic tip but they got NO extra.
We felt removing the tip would only harm the ones providing good service
everywhere else...Our cabin steward was superior, so he received a generous
tip that he could keep and not have to share with anyone.
We used the comment cards to voice our disapprovals and approvals.
JMHO,
--Jean
Wilf
>
>> When you work at your job, does your boss ever deduct money for days
>> you were not doing a good job?
>
> I'm paid an agreed-on salary, and don't expect the clients or customers
> I meet with to slip me a little something extra. In fact, if I was to
> ask for or accept such extra payments, I'd be fired.
>
> If I don't do my job, I'll be fired.
>
> If I perform above expectations, I'll be in line for a raise or
> promotion.
>
> Maybe the "service industry" should consider adopting this revolutionary
> scheme.
>
gratuities as their PAY. So unless there is a real good reason to
withhold their tips, people should not do so. It's just plain mean in
many cases, and unworthy.
--
Wilf
Dory Samuels
Say the room steward has done a fine job keeping the cabin clean etc but
he wasn't asked for anything extra and the same with the waiter in the
dining room........good service but no extra requests were made. Just
how much more per day, per person would be a good amount without going
overboard?
~Dory~
Charles
Samuels <dorys...@webtv.net> wrote:
Whatever you feel like adding. You don't have to give extra but if you
feel like giving extra there is no guideline. If it is hard for you to
think of an amount then don't give extra.
Personally I would not give extra for just good service. They have give
service beyond good service. Which I have had happen. I have had the
good service you should expect and some impressive service beyond what
you should expect.
Before the automatic deductions I always tipped more than the $10 a day
guideline. Since then I don't always do that. It makes you think if
they really deserve more.
And I think that putting excellent on the comment cards for excellent
service and/or putting someone who went beyond on one of the service
recognition cards will mean more to the waiter or cabin attendant. If
they don't get good ratings they will be assigned fewer tables or less
desirable cabins assignments.
--
Charles
Philip and Heather Johnson
> good service unless you make a *deposit*...
Perhaps PAC's should give to candidates after they leave office...
Perhaps when the collection plate is passed.... hey, maybe I've been
insulting God all these years and never realizes it.
I'm just kidding. My post was done with tongue slightly in cheek. I've
worked in the service industry and believe me a tip is a tip. The insult is
having to work for tips. I find the tradition of tipping to be repugnant.
A fair pay for a fair days work. It should be as simple as that. Wait a
minute, that's union talk.... baaad dog!
Phil >....was a cook and never saw a tip
Jewel
"Sue and Kevin Mullen" <kjmu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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So can you decide at the END of the cruise to opt out of the service charge?
I didn't realise that. It's the taking it out before we even know what sort
of service we're going to get that I object to.
Jewel
> gratuities as their PAY. So unless there is a real good reason to
> withhold their tips, people should not do so. It's just plain mean in
> many cases, and unworthy.
>
> --
> Wilf
I'm sorry but I disagree. If that is the case then it's up to the Cruise
Lines to increase the pay. By using gratuities as their pay, customers are
just paying fees the cruise lines should pay
Rosalie B.
being extravagant is good. Rather it is insecure and weak to tip
lavishly in order not to look cheap or because you are afraid of
reprisals from the service person.
The same applies if you stiff a person who has given good service.
Ermalee <ehm369.@.comcast..net> wrote:
That's three of you who have complained about the Volendam. I thought
HAL service was supposed to be really good. (?)
>That was the second time this happened. The first time was on the QE2
>several years ago.
>
>Ermalee
I don't object to tipping extra where it is deserved. But I really
hate it when the cruise director or the servers themselves pressure
people to give them good evaluations. That does make me more negative
in rating the cruise than I might otherwise be.
The cruise director on the Maasdam did a big song and dance about how
no one is perfect, so there were no "10"s on the evaluation sheet, but
how Maasdam was so close that they would of course get 9s on
everything. (They didn't get them from me although I did give some on
the things I felt were particularly good)
I've also had a waiter (NCL) who, when the evaluation cards were out
on the table, demanded to see what we had written. (I didn't show it
to him)
.
Does anyone else feel this way? Might it not be counter productive
for them to do this?
Philip and Heather Johnson
I just thought of something. If I slip you a twenty before you book my next
cruise, will you get me a better cabin?
Phil >...has a real problem being serious (sorry George, didn't mean to
insult you<g>)
Ermalee
On our recent Volendam cruise, you could opt out on the last sea day.
So most of the time that you're getting service, the crew doesn't really
know whether you're going to do that or not.
Ermalee
Ermalee
Right. And on top of that, the shows weren't great either. BUT, the
Volendam is a beautiful ship, and the staff was quite friendly. We had
mostly calm seas and good friends. I had a great time, in spite of......
Ermalee
Jean O'Boyle
>> That to me, is a bribe and an insult insinuating that you will not get
>> good service unless you make a *deposit*...
>
> Perhaps PAC's should give to candidates after they leave office...
> Perhaps when the collection plate is passed.... hey, maybe I've been
> insulting God all these years and never realizes it.
When the collection plate is passed, I'm offering for the blessings already
received, which in my case are plenty! ;-)
--Jean
R C & M S
SHOULD RESTAURANTS INCREASE MENU PRICES TO COVER HELP?...THEN YOU WONT GO...
SHOULD AIRLINES INCREASE FARES TO COVER LUGGAGE HANDLERS?,,,THEN YOU WONT
FLY...
SHOULD TOUR PRICES BE INCREASED TO COVER GUIDES?...THEN YOU WONT TAKE TOUR
YO, JEWEL, WAKE UP AND LOOSEN THE PURSE!!!
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT $20 A DAY FOR 7 DAY CRUISE FOR 2 PEOPLE...
"Jewel" <spa...@nothanks.com> wrote in message
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Charles
<tanm...@san.rr.com> wrote:
> SHOULD RESTAURANTS INCREASE MENU PRICES TO COVER HELP?...THEN YOU WONT GO...
Don't shout!!!
Yes, they should increase the prices to pay a decent living wage to
restaurant servers and the rest instead of those workers relying on
tips. That will however require a cultural and economic changes. So
until then we should tip because it is not right to shortchange those
workers who depend on tips because of shortcomings in our cultural and
economic system.
We should not confuse how things should be with how they actually are.
--
Charles
Surfer E2468
dining room,we do not like it when you go to a dunkin do-nuts for a
couple do-nuts that they have containers out for tips. I feel they are
only doing their job. Where as on a cruise
they do sometimesgo out of their way to accomadate you
<
cruise lover>
Wilf
this position we should just let the stewards go without pay until their
employers change their policies?
--
Wilf
Sue and Kevin Mullen
At least on *HAL* you can have the tips removed, but only on the last
day of the cruise. I never even thought about removing tips before, so
I don't know how other cruise lines handle it. On the Volendam I
*thought" about removing our tips for the dining room staff, but they
did serve us all week, so I left the tips on our account but did not
give them anything additional.
sue
Sue and Kevin Mullen
Jewel wrote:
If the cruise lines increase what they pay the staff, they will only
raise our fares. You are going to pay for the services one way or
another.
sue
Sue and Kevin Mullen
Rosalie B. wrote:
> That's three of you who have complained about the Volendam. I thought
> HAL service was supposed to be really good. (?)
There were 11 of us who sailed on the MGC2007, Volendam, together. We
all sat at the same table and that is why you hear all of us who post
here complaining. We all had a lousy dining room crew, some of us had
great room stewards, other had miseralble ones.
Because I have always heard wonderful things about the service on HAL,
I will gladly give it another try. I really enjoyed the size of the
ship and other then the dining room staff, found everyone to be very
friendly and helpful.
We will be writing a review soon.
sue
Sue and Kevin Mullen
Ermalee wrote:
Ermalee, I guess you forgot about the first couple of days when the
seas were very rough.lol Cruising with good friends is the best way
to cruise.
sue
Ermalee
You called that rough? I've been on rougher/higher seas many times.
Just take pill and ignore it. :-)
Ermalee
Charles
<n...@2.spam> wrote:
> My personal feeling is that the $10/day (or whatever amount) should
> be charged as "Service" -- like most resorts.
The only problem I see with that is that they would have to say no
tipping because given our culture, many Americans would pay the service
fee and then give a tip on top of that.
--
Charles
Sue and Kevin Mullen
I don't need to take anything for rough seas and boy, do I enjoy
watching the ocean rock and roll!!
sue
Blackbird71
(in article <45bcc767$0$28095$4c36...@roadrunner.com>):
> it is pitiful to me to see passengers go to front desk the first day of the
> cruise and ask for tips to be removed...and the sad look on the wife who so
> looked forward to this once in a lifetime experience and finds that her
> hubby lacks money sense!
>
>
I normally cruise on lines where tipping is not required or expected and in
the case of Seabourn and RSSC the service is still wonderful.
I and many others still will "tip" or leave money for the crew fund. I
normally not only tip but bring onboard two Thank You cards one for my room
stewardess and one for the crew fund.
Because of the true open seating these ships have, you never know who will be
delivering your food. They work as a team in the restaurants.
--
Winter Break on Seabourn Legend - Mar 4 2007
In Search of Lost Hobbits cruise on Celebrity Mercury Dec 12, 2007
-hh
> SHOULD RESTAURANTS INCREASE MENU PRICES TO COVER HELP?
You mean just like what is already done in Europe?
> SHOULD AIRLINES INCREASE FARES TO COVER LUGGAGE HANDLERS?
Luggage Handlers are already paid for out of my airline ticket.
Maybe you're referring to Skycaps. Its easy to bypass curbside check-
in if I don't want their service.
FYI - American Airlines got hit with a lawsuit last week from the
Skycaps in Boston. You might want to look up why.
> SHOULD TOUR PRICES BE INCREASED TO COVER GUIDES?
A better question is: at what time is it ethical to advertise a false
price for a product or service?
> YO, JEWEL, WAKE UP AND LOOSEN THE PURSE!!!
And just what cruise line do you alledgedly work for?
> > I'm sorry but I disagree. If that is the case then it's up to the Cruise
> > Lines to increase the pay. By using gratuities as their pay, customers are
> > just paying fees the cruise lines should pay
Anytime that the employee starts thinking of a tip as an entitlement,
the system is by definition, broken.
My advise to "RC & MS" is to stop thinking that their problems are due
to 'cheap' guests. And go try to find employment with one of the
cruiselines that have "no tipping" policies. They do exist.
-hh
Odysseus
>
>
> "R C & M S" <tanma...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> SHOULD RESTAURANTS INCREASE MENU PRICES TO COVER HELP?
>
>You mean just like what is already done in Europe?
>
I am in the USA not Europe. I tip my server 15% to 20%
because that is our system. I tip on cruises because
that is the system.
I believe that when I travel I should follow the local
customs. When I visited China many years ago, it was
not customary to tip. But presenting gifts was
customary. I brought a supply of small gifts with
the name of my state and city because I read that
those would be appreciated.
Frank F. Matthews
R C & M S wrote:
> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> SHOULD RESTAURANTS INCREASE MENU PRICES TO COVER HELP?...THEN YOU WONT GO...
>
We had a fairly nice restaurant that tried the no tipping approach and
it went under. A real disaster since it offered some of the most
reasonable wine prices I have ever encountered.
Jean O'Boyle
"Odysseus" <x@x.x> wrote in message
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> because that is our system. I tip on cruises because
> that is the system.
>
> I believe that when I travel I should follow the local
> customs. When I visited China many years ago, it was
> not customary to tip. But presenting gifts was
> customary. I brought a supply of small gifts with
> the name of my state and city because I read that
> those would be appreciated.
Well put...when in Rome, you do as Romans.
--Jean
-hh
[snip]
I don't disagree or resent following local custom. My point, in the
"When in Rome" format is:
"When you're a Roman, you get to define what Rome's customs will be".
For example, some people hate buying a new automobile because of the
local American tradition of haggling over the price. So now we have
dealerships who have gone to "No Haggle" policies for their pricing,
the best known of which is Saturn. This is being responsive to a
segment of the consumer base.
Change doesn't happen overnight, but no changes come without the
Consumer creating the demand for it and backing it up with their
wallet. And if you look at the second page of this article on the
subject:
<http://cruises.about.com/od/tipsforfirsttimecruises/a/
cruise_tipping.htm>
You'll see that roughly 20% of the cruise lines listed have a "No
Tipping" policy.
Lead, Follow, or Get Out Of The Way.
-hh
Rosalie B.
>
>
>R C & M S wrote:
>
>> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> SHOULD RESTAURANTS INCREASE MENU PRICES TO COVER HELP?...THEN YOU WONT GO...
>>
>
>We had a fairly nice restaurant that tried the no tipping approach and
>it went under. A real disaster since it offered some of the most
>reasonable wine prices I have ever encountered.
>
The lady who has been cutting my hair since 1975 opened her own saloon
with a no-tipping policy. She no longer has that policy. In those
days it was considered appropriate etiquette not to tip the owner of a
business. I don't know how any random person would know that she's
the owner, and so I tip her.
A lot of places (in England and other places too) put a service charge
on the bill. Normally when Bob pays such a bill he does not add
anything extra. A cruise ship is the exception to that.
Bill C
saloon then the saloon down the street that accepts tips?
Sorry I couldn't resist. ;-)
Bill
--
Visit my Caribbean Princess website:
www.cruisingthecaribbeanprincess.com
Jean O'Boyle
"-hh" <recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
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>
> [snip]
>
> I don't disagree or resent following local custom. My point, in the
> "When in Rome" format is:
> "When you're a Roman, you get to define what Rome's customs will be".
You miss the point, when you go to a different country, you go by their
rules...if you choose to cruise with a cruise line with set guidelines about
tipping, you abide by them or you have a choice to cruise with another
cruise line or stay home...
If you cannot afford to tip, don't go out to eat.
If you can afford to cruise, you can afford to tip those who serve to make
your cruise enjoyable.
> For example, some people hate buying a new automobile because of the
> local American tradition of haggling over the price. So now we have
> dealerships who have gone to "No Haggle" policies for their pricing,
> the best known of which is Saturn. This is being responsive to a
> segment of the consumer base.
Poor acronym...You are not buying a ship...you are subsidizing the salary of
someone who lives in a third world country who works hard and deserves that
tip and punishing him/her when/if you don't .
> Change doesn't happen overnight, but no changes come without the
> Consumer creating the demand for it and backing it up with their
> wallet.
Don't count on it...tipping has been around for a long time...
> You'll see that roughly 20% of the cruise lines listed have a "No
> Tipping" policy.
>http://cruises.about.com/od/tipsforfirsttimecruises/a/
cruise_tipping.htm>
None are the mainstream lines most taken by cruisers here on RTC.
--Jean
-hh
> "-hh" <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> >
> > I don't disagree or resent following local custom. My point, in the
> > "When in Rome" format is:
> > "When you're a Roman, you get to define what Rome's customs will be".
>
> tipping, you abide by them or you have a choice to cruise with another
> cruise line or stay home...
Yes, I agree. My point has merely been that the usual argument is
that there are only two choices (Go / Don't Go), but there's really
*3* choices.
Here, to your credit, you do list that third choice that I've been
talking about, namely the "...or cruise with another cruise line..."
option.
Thank-you. Glad to see that someone finally gets it.
-hh
LeeNY
> Thank-you. Glad to see that someone finally gets it.
I think we all "got it". Heaven knows it was discussed to death
(please). I don't think anyone argued that there weren't tip-free
cruise options, but they're not really the same product as what the
mass market lines offer. And I think you understand that, whether
you'd like to agree to it or not. For most on rtc, voyaging on these
niche lines is not a viable option - especially for those who count on
several $800 cruises per year - trading those in for one $3000 cruise
just ain't gonna happen. For those that can swing only one mass-market-
budget cruise, the niche lines are totally out of the question.
And, I'm really curious to know, on those lines where tipping is not
required (or not expected, or whatever) how many passengers do still
tip, and how much are tips really expected by crew.
For the life of me, I don't understand why so many people get their
panties all in a bunch when this tipping thing comes up for
discussion. We are all so lucky to be able to take cruise
vacations....any vacations, really. I'm happy to tip on a cruise -
it's absolutely my pleasure to share my "wealth". And, it matters not
at all to me if it's a charge added to my sign-and-sail or if I pay
cash (actually adding it to my tab with the credit card means I have
to carry less cash, so I guess that's preferable to me). I'm happy to
pay a lower cruise fare and then pay tips for services rendered (just
as I'm happy not to have soda charges included in my fare, as I'm not
a soda drinker). Folks that work on ships go into their contracts with
their eyes wide open. Far be it for me to pass judgement on the terms
that they and the cruiseline have negotiated. I enter into my part of
the cruise contract with the knowledge that paying tips is expected -
there's nothing hidden, underhanded or secretive about it. I agree to
the contract of passage just as the crew agree to their contract of
employment.
Anyway, this whole tip thing just makes me scratch my head. I guess if
you live in a culture where tipping for services isn't the norm, then
coming to the US, where practically everyone in the service industry
expects a tip, or going on a ship where you're charged tips
automatically, can seem a little strange. But, next time you feel like
you're being nickel-and-dimed, just take a few seconds to remember how
lucky you really are, to be where you are, where you're being served
by someone not as fortunate as you...and maybe offer your tip with
gratitude for the other person's hard work rather begrudgingly.
Just my 2¢.
Lee
>
> -hh
JP
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cat for supper.
I prefer poodle legs fried medium well, with a baked potato and maybe greek
green beans.
JP
Wilf
>>
> Soooooooooooooo...when in South Korea, follow their customs and have dog or
> cat for supper.
> I prefer poodle legs fried medium well, with a baked potato and maybe greek
> green beans.
>
People do just that - try the local delicacies when abroad. Dog in
South Korea, guinea pig in Peru, black pudding in England, etc. :-)
--
Wilf
Rosalie B.
Oops- typo that the spell checker didn't catch because it is a real
word. :-)
Anyway dh usually tips 20%, or more than 15%. I've actually argued
with him when a waitress gave us *really* poor service that she should
only get 15% and not more. But when they put a service charge on the
bill, he doesn't tip any more than what they put - for him, they'd do
better if they didn't have the service charge added on already.
Ray
pay very meager wages - HOWEVER -these same low wages in the U.S. are quite
considerable in some other countries and that is mainly where the cruise
lines get their help. 2 years ago my waiter told us that he was able to buy
a house in his country ( I don't remember exactly where ) after a year and a
half of working on the ship . A weeks pay to you is six months pay in some
other places. Don't make the mistake of assumming that these people are
getting shortchanged because you might have a difficult time living on their
salaries. I'm not trying to say that they don't deserved to be tipped , but
a tip is EXTRA , and given for good service. The money they get from the
cruise lines is relatively more than you are probably imagining it is for
the workers
As far as the idea of simply tipping to compensate for the cruise lines pay
scale, it seems the people who hire on have a choice about accepting that
pay or not . They could always find employment some other place if they
aren't satisfied with the pay, although I suspect that , as I mentioned
above, these jobs are much better to them than you are imagining by basing
things on U.S economics. ( For example , the annual income in Belize
averages about $3,000 )
Ray Kloc
"Charles" <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <45bd14dd$0$4872$4c36...@roadrunner.com>, R C & M S
> <tanm...@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> SHOULD RESTAURANTS INCREASE MENU PRICES TO COVER HELP?...THEN YOU WONT
>> GO...
>
> Don't shout!!!
>
> Yes, they should increase the prices to pay a decent living wage to
> restaurant servers and the rest instead of those workers relying on
> tips. That will however require a cultural and economic changes. So
> until then we should tip because it is not right to shortchange those
> workers who depend on tips because of shortcomings in our cultural and
> economic system.
>
> We should not confuse how things should be with how they actually are.
>
> --
> Charles
>
Ray Goldenberg
wrote:
>( For example , the annual income in Belize
>averages about $3,000 )
Hi Ray,
Cruise lines have been known to pay $50 to waiters and cabin stewards
a MONTH. So do you think that $600 annual pay would fly in Belize?
The cruise line waiters and room stewards hire on because they know
the passengers will greatly increase their income. This is similar to
waiters would not work in the US for the pay that US restaurants pay.
They, too, know that the customers are going to provide a large
percentage of their pay.
Best regards,
Ray
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> Jewel wrote:
> > "Sue and Kevin Mullen" <kjmul...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >news:5242lnF...@mid.individual.net...
>
> >>Philip and Heather Johnson wrote:
>
> >>>I always slip the cabin steward 20 bucks the first day, what's that? 3
> >>>drinks, and say, "Don't forget about us this week." ...wink wink, nudge
> >>>nudge, know what I mean...
>
> >>>Phil >...never had a complaint with the cabin
>
> >>I consider tipping ahead to be a form of bribery and have never done it.
> >>We do give a nice additional tip at the end if the service deserves it and
> >>we have rarely had a problem. Of course on our last cruise on the
> >>Volendam, the dining room staff was lucky that none of us removed all
> >>their tips from our account.
>
> >>sue
>
> > So can you decide at the END of the cruise to opt out of the service charge?
> > I didn't realise that. It's the taking it out before we even know what sort
> > of service we're going to get that I object to.
>
> At least on *HAL* you can have the tips removed, but only on the last
> day of the cruise. I never even thought about removing tips before, so
> I don't know how other cruise lines handle it. On the Volendam I
> *thought" about removing our tips for the dining room staff, but they
> did serve us all week, so I left the tips on our account but did not
> give them anything additional.
>
> sue- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
When I cruise I resent the automatic tip amount added to my bill
before I even board. I'd like to "assume" I will get good as expected
service as they imply by adding this on prematurely, but we all know
that likely does not happen. If it does, GREAT! I routinely have
these taken off early in the cruise and then tip deserving staff at
the end of the cruise. Don't forget the automatic 15% gratuity the
cruise ships already add for drinks, so they have built in their own
"tip" as well.
I generally don't pre-tip wait staff in a restaurant, room staff at a
hotel, bar staff in a bar, guides before I've been "guided", etc.
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>> But for now, stewards get paid little or nothing and depend on their
>> gratuities as their PAY. So unless there is a real good reason to
>> withhold their tips, people should not do so. It's just plain mean in
>> many cases, and unworthy.
>>
>> --
>> Wilf
>
>I'm sorry but I disagree. If that is the case then it's up to the Cruise
>Lines to increase the pay. By using gratuities as their pay, customers are
>just paying fees the cruise lines should pay
>
So instead your fare goes up by $100. Then you'd bitch that the
cruise was too expensive.
You don't think the cruise lines would just eat the additional pay
expense, do you?
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> - Show quoted text -
Cruise companies solicit heavily in the American market, yet register
their ships, and hire their staff from non-american sources. If they
want my "American" business/money, where tipping is expected, they can
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