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Largehemroid

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Since I use toilets frequently, I am concerned that they may not be as
effective on a cruise ship as they are at home. What do my friends mean when
they say the toilets on a ship are Electric?

Thanks,

bounce@aol.con RonaldRayguns

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Largehemroid <largeh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Simply stated, modern ships use high voltage devices to "Vaporize" the waste
instead of wasting water flushing it. When you hit the "Flush" button, the
waste is instantly vaporized. The only problems that occur are when the
bathroom exhaust fan fails. The fumes then enter the cabin.

Just my two cent worth on the subject.
R.R.

gir...@webtv.net

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Having worked on a cruise ship for a year I assure you the toilets are
highly effective. They are not, however electric. They operate on a
vaccum flush system and are very powerful! There is a button that you
would pull up on to evacuate your bowl. The only time they don't work
well is if there is a problem with the ships bilge. I hope this helps.
amy


Jim Bucholz

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gir...@webtv.net wrote:
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> Having worked on a cruise ship for a year I assure you the toilets are
> highly effective. They are not, however electric. They operate on a
> vaccum flush system and are very powerful! There is a button that you
> would pull up on to evacuate your bowl.
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^

The first time I read this I read "evacuate your bowel." Now THAT would
be a very powerful toilet.


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Chris

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As a ships engineer, I can assure you that you will have a pleasant a
visit as you do at home. I do recommend that you leave the seat before
flushing. They are vacuum operated. I also can tell you there is no
electric things what so ever in your toilet bowl. Way down in the
engineroom we have septic tanks that collect all of your deposits, and
are being treated what US Gov. has told. You do not want to know more.
Just sit down and relax. (and don't flush while sitting - can be too
exiting)


John Coan

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Cruise ship toilets quite literally suck. For that reason, don't flush
"whist" seated (as Princess puts it). They are quite effective at their
designed task.

Largehemroid wrote:
>
> Since I use toilets frequently, I am concerned that they may not be as
> effective on a cruise ship as they are at home. What do my friends mean when
> they say the toilets on a ship are Electric?
>

> Thanks,

portner

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John Coan <jc...@alumni.duke.edu> wrote:
>Cruise ship toilets quite literally suck. For that reason,
don't flush
>"whist" seated (as Princess puts it). They are quite effective
at their
>designed task.

Unless one wants their hemorrhoids removed...
.

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villa deauville

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I absolutely guarantee if you sit on the potty on a cruise ship and
flush you will be free of hemoroids forever.

SUNNY<.......would also caution you might lose a lot more than your
hemoroids


dale stevens

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Did you ever see those famous placards on the Star Princess?

"DO NOT FLUSH WHILST SEATED!"

Dale

Gadge...@webtv.net

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Just don't push the button labeled ATR if your a man.

Inspector Gadget


ink4...@webtv.net

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Amy, what do you mean by vaporize?
I'm going on Paradise in Oct, my first, and I'm attempting to learn as
much as I can.
Thanks, Joey


Diversity is the key to information.
Information is knowledge.


ink4...@webtv.net

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Apologies to Amy, I responded to the wrong post, ( duh! ) Ronald- what's
vaporize?
thanks!

Steve L.

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I don't who came up with that language but it has been around for awhile
on various lines; Epirotiki, for example, was using it 10 or 12 years ago.
In theory the design of the seat prevents an complete seal that would inhale
body parts but there have nevertheless been some injuries with vacuum
toilets, so the lines like to post various warnings to try to keep up with
American liability law.

Michael R

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Toilets on the Princess ships I've cruised on operate by VERY strong vacuum
suction. God help you if you've totally covered the bowl when you push the
big plasic button on the wall. I've read that the toilet function on the
Big Red Boat II and certain Carnival cruise ships, at certain times, are
another matter. Be advised that you don't get many toilet breaks, if any,
on shore excursion bus rides. In the case of Mediterranian shore excursion
bathroom stops you need to carry your own Kleenex tissue and local money to
gain admittance to the W.C. Then there's the fun of discovering that the
throne doesn't look anything like what you expected.


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dale stevens

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And they are a ready source for jokes for the cruise director!

Dale

Tom Gauldin

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(not a joke)
Here in the Triangle, there was a case of a little girl (3-4 yo) who
was swimming in a public children's pool. Someone had removed the
cover from the drain line, and it was functioning as part of the
pool's recirculating cleaning system. The little girl sat over- the
open drain hole and the suction literally pulled her bowels out
through her rectum. She was screaming (naturally) and was rescued
before she was completely eviscerated.

Surgeons had to remove much of her large intestines because of the
trauma to them, and (as I recall) she will have to live with an ostomy
bag from now on.

While I don't believe that he suction of a ship's toilet is as great
as that of a pool's recirculation pump, I still stand when flushing.

BTW- if any of you have a swimming pool or frequent one, be sure to
check to see that there is a cover over the drain line to prevent
someone else from experiencing what happened to the little girl here
in the Triangle.

--
Tom Gauldin tgau...@nc.rr.com
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The Summerland, where the sun doth shine.
Where the weak grow strong, and the strong grow great,
Here's to Downhome, the Old North State.

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The Summerland, where the sun doth shine.
Where the weak grow strong, and the strong grow great,
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"John Coan" <jc...@alumni.duke.edu> wrote in message
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> Cruise ship toilets quite literally suck. For that reason, don't
flush
> "whist" seated (as Princess puts it). They are quite effective at
their
> designed task.
>

fis...@mindspring.com

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On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:41:59 GMT, "Tom Gauldin" <tgau...@nc.rr.com>
wrote:

>(not a joke)
>Here in the Triangle, there was a case of a little girl (3-4 yo) who
>was swimming in a public children's pool. Someone had removed the
>cover from the drain line, and it was functioning as part of the
>pool's recirculating cleaning system.

There is a boy from Broward who is on life support because his arm was
sucked in - the apartment complex was cited for bad maintenance.
ALWAYS check the pool at any hotel or aprtment to make sure the drain
cover is on and tell kids not to play near them - it is indeed quite
deadly.

The same effect comes form kids swimming in hot tubs - hair,
especially, gets caught in the outflow - and hte victim cannot come up
for air.

Chris

Beth Peace

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> Surgeons had to remove much of her large intestines because of the
> trauma to them, and (as I recall) she will have to live with an ostomy
> bag from now on.

She was 5 when it happened in '93, and although (afaik) she still gets most
of her food through a tube, she's otherwise happy, active, and reasonably
healthy. A credit to great doctors and parents. There have now been laws
passed (at least here in NC) to ensure that this doesn't happen again (dual
drains are now required).

Beth


*Muffin*

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Michael R wrote in message ...Then there's the fun of discovering that the

>throne doesn't look anything like what you expected.
>

ok you need to describe these for the rest of us who may never get there!

also I have seen some strange configurations on the united states,
thesethings that are long & slender kinda look line a keyhole,, I
guess you stand over them???

Ernest Jones

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As you might expect the QE2 has nothing to do with these modern gadgets!
Still use the old fashioned WC! At least in our cabin in 1998!

Ernest Jones
Retired. Music & Cruise Crazy Brit.
Sunny Isles Beach, Fl.
Life is an Opera


Becca

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In some countries, the toilet is just a hole in the ground.

Becca <-----Coming from Texas, it makes me feel right at home...

Linda Coffman

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Jul 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/5/00
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I covered this subject in a Greek Isles-Turkey cruising article I wrote for
About.com last year, so here goes:

"No, I didn't forget the 'eastern' plumbing explanation. It's a matter of
some delicacy and I've been struggling with how to describe it. Suffice it
to say that the porcelain is in the floor. Uh, one doesn't sit on it, but
rather one hopes for good balance. Paper isn't tossed into the opening in
the floor, but is placed in a receptacle (located nearby, especially for
that purpose). Ladies, as long as you're totally grossed out, step back
before you pull the chain or your feet might get wet. I may as well suggest
that you consider wearing a skirt when touring in Istanbul. It's just
easier--you know why. And lastly, even the tour boat on the Bosphorus was
similarly equipped. (When we ran across 'western' plumbing in public places,
the line to use it was inevitably lengthy.)"

A couple other things... there's usually an attendant to pay and the T.P. is
on a roll by the door. You take however much you think you'll need--take
too much and the attendant's glare is pretty intimidating. I suggest
carrying your own--the tissues from the ship (or a hotel) are inevitably
more "soothing" than what's available in public loos in Europe. And yes,
it's long, narrow, porcelain-in-the-floor... if you're lucky! "Keyhole" is
an accurate description.

Linda

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Gordon Laird

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There were two important issues in the original post. One was mostly
addressed by the ship's engineer. How ever in all seriousness, the 2nd
issue about being seated on the toilet while flushing has not been dealt
with seriously enough, considering the consequences.

The vacuum operated toilets are pretty effective at draining the
contents of the toilet bowl. I would caution that tissue paper, dropped
near the outer rim of the bowl, may not get drawn down the drain. On
our last cruise, I found that I had to sometimes pour a glass full of
water into the toilet, to flush tissue into the center of the bowl.
Herein, in the way that these toilets operate, can make them a very
serious threat to one's health if you don't follow the very simple
instruction to NOT BE SEATED while flushing. The toilet lid is designed
such, that it must be lowered, to gain access to the control knob. So,
unless you diliberately contort yourself to reach behind the lid, you
will physically be unable to flush while seated.
Our ship's engineer confirmed this (over dinner no less) that the
force
of the vacuum, can cause life threatening injuries to a seated person's
intestines, if they were so large as to completely seal the opening to
the toilet and operated the flushing mechanism.


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Carole Dunham

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Yuck!!

Carole/cruzdiva
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Debra W

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Oh my gosh! Three little words --- TO MUCH INFORMATION!

--
Debra Yates Welch>

MAY_Laptop

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"Debra W" <de...@welchtravel.com> wrote:
>Oh my gosh! Three little words --- TO MUCH INFORMATION!
>
>> Our ship's engineer confirmed this (over dinner no less)
that the
>> force
>> of the vacuum, can cause life threatening injuries to a
seated person's
>> intestines, if they were so large as to completely seal the
opening to
>> the toilet and operated the flushing mechanism.

NO, its NOT too much information. While not my idea of dinner
conversation, it could save someone's life.

Horace Turell

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ink4...@webtv.net wrote:
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> Amy, what do you mean by vaporize?
> I'm going on Paradise in Oct, my first, and I'm attempting to learn as
> much as I can.
> Thanks, Joey

Toilets on most cruise ships operate on a vacuum. They really empty with
great force. Do not remain seated, repeat do not remain seated while
flushing. Very embarrassing hickeys can result.

Horace Turell

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Tom Gauldin wrote:
>
> (not a joke)
> Here in the Triangle, there was a case of a little girl (3-4 yo) who
> was swimming in a public children's pool. Someone had removed the
> cover from the drain line, and it was functioning as part of the
> pool's recirculating cleaning system. The little girl sat over- the
> open drain hole and the suction literally pulled her bowels out
> through her rectum. She was screaming (naturally) and was rescued
> before she was completely eviscerated.
>
> Surgeons had to remove much of her large intestines because of the
> trauma to them, and (as I recall) she will have to live with an ostomy
> bag from now on.
>

Are you sure of the facts on this? I find it very difficult to believe.

Linda Coffman

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Horace, Yes that was a true story about the little girl and the swimming
pool. I saw her parents being interviewed on CNN.

Linda

Horace Turell <halt...@home.com> wrote in message
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> Tom Gauldin wrote:
> >
> > (not a joke)
> > Here in the Triangle, there was a case of a little girl (3-4 yo) who
> > was swimming in a public children's pool. Someone had removed the
> > cover from the drain line, and it was functioning as part of the
> > pool's recirculating cleaning system. The little girl sat over- the
> > open drain hole and the suction literally pulled her bowels out
> > through her rectum. She was screaming (naturally) and was rescued
> > before she was completely eviscerated.

<snip>

fis...@mindspring.com

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On Sat, 19 Aug 2000 17:50:27 -0400, "Linda Coffman"
<lcof...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Horace, Yes that was a true story about the little girl and the swimming
>pool. I saw her parents being interviewed on CNN.
>
>

Unfortunately, there have been a few children drown because of lack of
drain covers - the last one was in the big snorkel lagoon in Atlantis,
Bahamas. ALWAYS check hotel or community pools before letting your
children in - the grate should be in place over the drain.

Chris

JCrui0922

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Acutally, there is an air gap between the seat and the bowl. Flushing while
seated creates a stimulating (to some) rush of air (REALLY high velocity). At
least that's what I've been told. Don't know myself. Wouldn't want to try
anything like that. Wouldn't be prudent.

Charlie
www.c...@justcruisinplus.com
800-888-0922

Horace Turell

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I did not doubt that drowning could happen from this. Just getting the
intestines sucked out seems incredible.

Linda Coffman

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Hi Horace,

While Tom Gauldin jokes about a lot of things, that was no laughing matter
and he was serious. As I said, I saw a report about it (pretty certain it
was on CNN) and parents were strongly urged to take care and check those
drain covers. It does sound incredible, but similar things have happened to
others according to the televised report.

Linda
Making Waves~~~
http://pages.prodigy.net/lindacoffman/index.html

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bernt kempe

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Aug 22, 2000, 12:13:10 AM8/22/00
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This subject was up earlier this year, and I can see at least three of
the same responses. I do not know what that pool accident ha to do with
toilets. (Same thing last time) If You can use your toilet at home by
yourself, You will manage on a ship as well. I don't flush my toilet
while seated at home, so why wold anybody do it on a ship? Trust me, I
have worked on ships for almost 40 years and my Butt is still perfect.
Good luck on your cruises

Daniel

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bernt kempe <kemp...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> This subject was up earlier this year, and I can see at least three of
> the same responses. I do not know what that pool accident ha to do with
> toilets. (Same thing last time)

The fact that both the pool pump and ship toilets employ vacuum
force that could ostensibly cause you damage if your
posterior forms a seal over either.

>If You can use your toilet at home by
> yourself, You will manage on a ship as well. I don't flush my toilet
> while seated at home, so why wold anybody do it on a ship?

They haven't finished reading their article yet?


> Trust me, I
> have worked on ships for almost 40 years and my Butt is still perfect.
> Good luck on your cruises

A perfect butt over 40? Impressive.


Ermalee

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I know lots of people who need to work on cruise ships! <grin>

Ermalee <---wondering how this would help to have a perfect butt

bernt kempe

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I was only responding to the person Who feared/asked about using ships
toilets.
Assuring the person that after using it for over 40 years, my butt had
not suffered any damage.

As a ships engineer, I know that the vacuum system used for toilets is
completely different from Pool systems.

If anybody want to post danger about pool systems, it should be done
under another posting, so not to frightening people who have never used
a vacuum toilet before. They posted and asked about vacuum toilets, and
should also get answers regarding that.


No One

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You do have to fear your butt. It is the loud noise and wakening up your spouse
in the middle of night.

asterix

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Aug 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/22/00
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>
>The fact that both the pool pump and ship toilets employ vacuum
>force that could ostensibly cause you damage if your
>posterior forms a seal over either.
>
you need a real fat ass that overhangs the toilet and provide a airtight
seal over the Toilet seat !!!!
seriously doubt you or anybody on a cruiseship provides this obesity even
after midnight buffets for a week :-)))


Jaap


Horace Turell

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A male would take a different view of that <g>

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