If you had an extra $5000 - Rolex or Cruise
Tom & Linda
Suppose that you had an extra $5000 burning a hole in your pocket...
Which would you buy? (Assuming you HAD to do one or the other.)
A $5000 cruise (you pick the ship and itinerary)
or
A Rolex watch that costs $5000 right now, but in 15 years could, and
probably will be worth $15,000 USED.
I know we've had some fun discussions on Rolex watches, but when I was
in Switzerland last month, I noticed that the Rolex Sub Mariner (scuba
diving) watch, that sold for about $900 like 15 years ago, now sells for
about $3000-4000 USED. The gold and stainless date/just that sold for
about $1600 back then, now sells for about $4000-5000 USED.
I bet nobody's fake Rolex went up $3000 in value.
So... would you rather take an extra cruise (remember that the day you
get home... the money's gone), or spend the money on a watch that went
up in value?
Unlike a bank account, stock or mutual fund that increases in value, the
Rolex seems to have a unique characteristic in that it lets you wear it,
use it, and enjoy it while it increases in value.
--Tom
Charles
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> So... would you rather take an extra cruise (remember that the day you
> get home... the money's gone), or spend the money on a watch that went
> up in value?
Given the two choices I would take the extra cruise because I am not
interested in very expensive watches. In reality I would probably use
$1000 of the $5000 for a cruise and use the rest on something else.
--
Charles
Mike Cordelli
three or four cruised with the rest.
If forced between the two then cruise.
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PBowen
not traveling? Answer this and you have your answer. If you own the Rolex
and you plan on the value going up in 15 years do you plan on selling it?
If not then there is no need to be concerned about the value going up as it
will still just be a watch. Me, I would travel and keep the memories. I
might spend it on a sports car instead as that would give me allot of
enjoyment and hold its value. The problem with a watch is a $10 watch will
tell time just as well as a Rolex. Honestly with all the fakes out there I
assume that every Rolex I see is fake.
Paul
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villa deauville
Never have cared about keeping up with the Joneses.
SUNNY<...........would like to cruise Crystal
S'nd I
Tom & Linda
And... why on earth would you want a sports car? Much in the same way
that you say that any watch can tell the time, any car, even a minivan,
can take you from Point A to Point B like a sports car can.
You just seem that you would prefer a sports car. Fine. But your logic
for wanting a sports car would be the same logic for wanting a Rolex
instead of just a cheap watch.
If your logic for wanting a sports car is valid... then the same logic
for wanting a Rolex should also be valid.
--Tom
C. A. Lowe, Ph.D.
the rest.
My father bought a Rolex presidential in 1963. From his
death in 72 until last year, I wore it daily (and enjoyed
it). But it has become progressively more unreliable over
the past 5 or 6 years and last time it went to Rolex summer
camp (at a cost of $600) it came back with a note that they
would not warranty the work. It has started losing time
again and I have put it in a drawer. I doubt very much that
its value is above what was paid for it, especially if one
adjusts for inflation.
My conclusion is that the snob value of the Rolex is
probably greater than its intrinsic quality warrants. This
one had a useful life of only forty years, which is not what
one expects of an "heirloom" quality item.
On the other hand, I have a tiny little wind-up ladies'
Rolex I bought in 1964 that still goes fine (perhaps because
I seldom wear it.)
My alternate choice (rather than stock and cruise) would be
a cruise and a nice new digital camera to take on the cruise.
Only you know what has value to you, though, so I hope you
enjoy whatever you do with that extra $$$.
Connie in Santa Fe
Dick Goldhaber
You don't know me. I wear a 25 year old Seiko watch which keeps perfect
time, and $5K wouldn't pay for half of one of our cruises.
--
DG in Cherry Hill, NJ
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Tobie Gerbrandt
I know exactly what I'd do. Id take the cruise (to Morroco) and buy a
$20.00 ROLEX in the fleamarket in Casablanca.
Then I'd have them BOTH.
Tobie>>>>>on an Island in the Pacific
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And going on Crystal's not keeping up with the Joneses?
--Tom
> S'nd I
villa deauville
is over about 45 years old and still keeps proper time.
SUNNY<........wears a $15 watch bought at a flea market. Has owned it
for nigh 10 years
S'nd I
Sue and Kevin Mullen
villa deauville wrote:
> Talking about wind up watches I have one that belonged to my Mother. It
> is over about 45 years old and still keeps proper time.
LOL...and my husband has his father's Rolex, which has been in for
repair several times and still doen't keep proper time.
sue - who wears a waterproof citizen
George Leppla
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> Which would you buy? (Assuming you HAD to do one or the other.)
> A $5000 cruise (you pick the ship and itinerary)
> or
> A Rolex watch that costs $5000 right now, but in 15 years could, and
> probably will be worth $15,000 USED.
I can't tell you how many people I have heard over the years tell me that
they were going to travel "someday". Seems they need a new car of a new
house or are remodeling the old one or the kids are going to school or the
daughter is getting married...... And then one day, there are no more
"somedays" to wait for.
$5000? If I "had" to pick one or the other, I would strap my $30 Timex
Expedition on my wrist and get my butt on a ship.
Life. No one gets out alive.
George in PA www.countryside-travel.com
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Sue and Kevin Mullen
Tom & Linda wrote:
> Suppose that you had an extra $5000 burning a hole in your pocket...
>
> Which would you buy? (Assuming you HAD to do one or the other.)
>
>
> A $5000 cruise (you pick the ship and itinerary)
>
> or
>
> A Rolex watch that costs $5000 right now, but in 15 years could, and
> probably will be worth $15,000 USED.
It would be a cruise for me!!
sue
Norm Bassett
"> >
> > So... would you rather take an extra cruise (remember that the day you
> > get home... the money's gone), or spend the money on a watch that went
> > up in value?
> >
> > Unlike a bank account, stock or mutual fund that increases in value, the
> > Rolex seems to have a unique characteristic in that it lets you wear it,
> > use it, and enjoy it while it increases in value.
> >
> > --Tom
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From my personal perspective.... I'd take the cruise in a heartbeat. My
wife and I are retired. We play golf when we want, we work out at the YMCA
every morning, we go to our weekend place at the lake when we feel like it.
What do I need with a watch, irrespective of the value? If we invest our
money wisely, it will provide a much better return than a single "thing"
like a Rolex. The real challenge of getting your perceived value out of a
Rolex is, of course, finding someone willing to give you your asking price.
We will go for the cruise every time.
Tom & Linda
enough cruises a year... I'd do something different with my money and
buy the watch".
But then... this isn't a watch newsgroup. And I knew that going in. I
thought maybe SOMEONE would say they'd buy the watch.
At least I got some discussion out of the question.
--Tom
OcnGypZ
The cruise, of course.
Memories can't be stolen from you.. except by Mother Nature.
My 42 year old Timex Cinderella watch keeps better time than my 10 year old
Rolex (a present.. I wouldn't buy one).
"Cindy" goes to the watch hospital once a year for a good cleaning.. and she
keeps on ticking.
Babette
villa deauville
>and going on Crystal's not keeping
>up with the Joneses?
Why would wanting to go on a Crystal cruise, or a Safari in Kenya,
sleeping on a mattress and not the floor or a thousand other things mean
I want to keep up with the Joneses? These are things I have never done
and would certainly love to do them.
SUNNY<.........'s understanding of keeping up with the Joneses would be
ie. being house poor. Living in a house that one cant afford, with no
furniture. Still want to do para sailing.
S'nd I
Tom & Linda
already go on 3-4-5 cruises a year.
Most of us aren't "someday" cruisers.
Half of us have probably been to Cozumel, Ocho Rios, or St. Thomas so
many times that we don't even bother getting off the ship anymore.
The other half of the "no one gets out alive" quote is the "he who dies
with the most toys wins".
--Tom
Dick Goldhaber
Seiko.
If I had $5K to spare to go crazy with, I'd take Danni and Heidi and we
would go to Israel. That would have been our cruise of 2001 or this year
but given what has been happening there for the past few years, no cruise
ship will go there.
I was there in 1977 with Danni's mother, and since Debbie died in 1980 Danni
and I have gone everywhere that Debbie and I went without her except Israel.
Hopefully before my time runs out there will be peace there and Danni and I
can get to go there and walk in her mother's footsteps.
--
DG in Cherry Hill, NJ
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Tom & Linda
Danni could be wearing her mom's watch every day.
I'm not saying either is right or wrong. I'm just throwing ideas out.
--Tom
brenda
Danni
Bubbe gave me that her first husband gave her. Keeps great time, but I
think it went to the same "summer camp" as another poster's. I got the same
letter.
Danni
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Paul
"..and then take three or four cruised with the rest.." (I think Goober
Mike means three or four cruises, but one can never tell what the goob is
thinking)
One point
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bank's safe deposit box. I wouldn't want to wear anything I couldn't afford
to replace. And I can't afford $5K.
Jack Hamilton
>Instead of walking in her mom's footprints... if her mom had a Rolex,
>Danni could be wearing her mom's watch every day.
True of a Timex also.
Is there something special for you about Rolexes in particular, or would
any expensive designer watch (Patel Phillipe, for example) be
equivalent?
--
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they may indeed wait for ever.
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Dick Goldhaber
Danni and I live in different apartments in the same building, and it is
often possible that we are both on the rtc at the same time.
I am less into the watch and more into being able to take Danni to Israel.
--
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Jean O'Boyle
>
> Suppose that you had an extra $5000 burning a hole in your pocket...
>
> Which would you buy? (Assuming you HAD to do one or the other.)
>
>
you
> get home... the money's gone), or spend the money on a watch that
went
> up in value?
>
> Unlike a bank account, stock or mutual fund that increases in value,
the
> Rolex seems to have a unique characteristic in that it lets you wear
it,
> use it, and enjoy it while it increases in value.
>
> --Tom
Tom,
Definitely a cruise or two. Memories mean more than one day sitting
and wishing I had done something like taken a cruise to a certain
place. I have two friends that are doing that right now because of
health reasons.
Expensive things as a Rolex hold no interest for me. As long as a
watch is attractive and does what it is supposed to do, it makes me
happy.
Since I like a variety of watches and own two Timex ones with black
and brown alligator type wristbands, two Fossils, in gold and silver
color wide bracelet bands, a Bulova with black cord bracelet given to
me my parents when I graduated from high school and a diamond Hamilton
with a diamond bracelet which Ed gave me because I admired it and he
knew I never would spend the money, so he surprised me with it on
Valentine's Day.
Expensive name bands do not impress me at all!
--Jean<~~~~you can't take it with you in a U-Haul It when you die! ;-)
Tom & Linda
would be the same.
The particular scenario I threw out was do you spend the $5K on a cruise
(where the money is gone as soon as the cruise is over) or on a watch
that goes up 3 times to 4 times in value over time. Specifically an
investment that you can wear and enjoy.
--Tom
Tom & Linda
I said name brand that goes up in value 3 times to 4 times over a 15
year period - even as a used watch. That makes it an investment as
opposed to just buying something.
I read one time that poor people buy things. Like lithographs of
paintings. Rich people invest in things. Like an actual Monet
painting. They spend $10 million on the Monet painting, but in 20 years
it's worth $100 million. In 20 years, the lithograph is worth 10 bucks
- the value of the frame.
I also posed this to people, many of who here already go on 3, 4, even 5
cruises a year. Does an extra cruise mean that much?
--Tom <---- unfortunately not rich
SNUMBER6
>So far, I haven't heard one person write... "you know... I already go on
>enough cruises a year... I'd do something different with my money and
>buy the watch".
Watches mean nothing to me ... so it is a poor choice for me and a cruise is a
cruise is a cruise ... Now something worth 5K not a Rolex ... that does have
worth to me ... may have precedence over a cruise ...
off the top of my head ... I can't think of anything ... but I get your point
...
Be seeing you
In the Village
Number 6
Tom & Linda
--Tom
Jean O'Boyle
> I didn't just say expensive name brand.
>
> I said name brand that goes up in value 3 times to 4 times over a 15
> year period - even as a used watch. That makes it an investment as
> opposed to just buying something.
>
> I read one time that poor people buy things. Like lithographs of
> paintings. Rich people invest in things. Like an actual Monet
> painting. They spend $10 million on the Monet painting, but in 20
years
> it's worth $100 million. In 20 years, the lithograph is worth 10
bucks
> - the value of the frame.
>
> I also posed this to people, many of who here already go on 3, 4,
even 5
> cruises a year. Does an extra cruise mean that much?
>
> --Tom <---- unfortunately not rich
It is not that an extra cruise means that much , it's that a Rolex
means less!
It means how I would prefer to spend the $5000.!!
--Jean
Reef Fish
> Suppose that you had an extra $5000 burning a hole in your pocket...
>
> Which would you buy? (Assuming you HAD to do one or the other.)
That's known as a Hobson's choice. You want to choose neither.
>
>
> A $5000 cruise (you pick the ship and itinerary)
>
> or
>
> A Rolex watch that costs $5000 right now, but in 15 years could, and
> probably will be worth $15,000 USED.
Dreamer! That could be true only if 15 years from now $15,000 USD
will buy you a dozen or so McDonald's hamburgers.
>
>
> I know we've had some fun discussions on Rolex watches, but when I was
> in Switzerland last month, I noticed that the Rolex Sub Mariner (scuba
> diving) watch, that sold for about $900 like 15 years ago, now sells for
> about $3000-4000 USED. The gold and stainless date/just that sold for
> about $1600 back then, now sells for about $4000-5000 USED.
The gold and stainless sells for less than your figure NEW, now.
I bought an 18K Rolex Submariner in 1989 (14 years ago) for $12,000
USD. Earlier this year, you could get a NEW one in Kirk's Rolex in
Grand Cayman for about $15K+ USD because of the Caribbean 10% discount.
My 14-yr old 18K still looks and runs like new -- in fact, when I was
getting off the Carnival Paradise last month, the US customs inspector
questioned that watch as if I might have purchased it new in Grand
Cayman.
Don't get me wrong -- I like that watch and like its value. But don't
get carried and think that a USED one is worth much now -- perhaps
half of what I paid for it. But then if I had invested what I paid
for it, the value would have at least doubled or quadrupled. So, in
that respect, it's now worth about 1/8 of the value had the cost of
the watch had been wisely invested. :-)
> I bet nobody's fake Rolex went up $3000 in value.
I bet nobody's REAL Rolex went up $3000 in value.
>
> So...
Keep dreaming, Tom. :-)
> Unlike a bank account, stock or mutual fund that increases in value, the
> Rolex seems to have a unique characteristic in that it lets you wear it,
> use it, and enjoy it while it increases in value.
>
> --Tom
A lot of truth in the last statement EXCEPT the "increase in value" bit.
-- Bob.
Reef Fish
> My conclusion is that the snob value of the Rolex is
> probably greater than its intrinsic quality warrants.
What's "intrinsic" about it? Bet your Ph.D is NOT in Economics. :-)
And near everybody seems to have forgotten or overlooked that an
"annual service" of a Rolex (my 18K Submariner anyway) costs about
$600 USD -- which you can buy a dozen or three quartz watches
that keep much better time than the patented automatic movement
in a Rolex.
> Connie in Santa Fe
If anyone has the money to pay $1 million USD for a bauble of a
few carats, you don't talk about the "intrisic" value of that piece
of hardened rock or how much it will fetch when the owner is broke. :-)
-- Bob.
EileenMcDonald
I said name brand that goes up in value 3 times to 4 times over a 15
year period <<
No, but you made a point of, specifically, naming a very expensive, "brand
name" watch, Tom. Emphasis on the watch. Not other things that go up in
value (at least not in your original post). Why do you seem so disappointed
that other people chose the cruise? We've only been able, once, to cruise
more than 1 a year, Tom. Would like nothing better than to cruise 4 times a
year..we are working on 2 a year, every year..starting NOW. I'm 47, DH is
51, why would I choose the rolex investment, (delayed value) over a cruise
that I can take now. I may not be here, 15 years from now.
As for your comment that a daughter would be able to wear her mothers rolex
for years to come, if she hadn't chose the cruise? Ask any daughter who has
lost a mother and they will tell you, Tom, monetary value of the memento has
nothing to do with the significance of the pure and true sentimental
value....ANY daughter would treasure a CrackerJack ring as long as it had a
connection to their mom.
When I lost my Mom, she didn't have lots of expensive jewelry, she had,
exactly, 15 pieces, of which, 7 were worth something. It was my task to make
sure all the girls, daughters and nieces, each got something. I chose to
keep her wedding ring (a plain gold band, very inexpensive) and a very cheap
ring that she loved, it didn't cost her, even, 100 bucks. But I was with her
when it caught her eye.. she was smitten by it. Silly, little thing, gold
filigree surrounding a gold oval with a Chinese Panda Bear and a honeypot.
Now, if I had to choose between giving up THAT ring for a cruise, THEN, I
would, surely, choose the ring, Tom.
As for, "poor people", LOL! Over the years, we have had some better than
others, but, who hasn't? We're doing better, now, than in past years. But, I
never forget the bad years. And, am fully aware, that the bad years could
return at a moments notice. During the 89 to 93 recession here, in MA, we
were doing horribly....it seemed if there would never be an end to it.
DH had an annuity, at the time, it was just starting to accrue...did we know
that we would need this, later on, down the road? YES! Of course, we did.
Did we KNOW that this was guaranteed to increase in value? YES! Did we,
also, know that we would pay a tax penalty? YES!
Do we regret taking the 15,000 and spurlging on a fantastic cruise vacation?
No, not a bit, Tom.. and, YES, we do know what that 15,000 would be worth
today.
Being broke for a prolonged period of time takes a hell of an emotional
toll, Tom. Frankly, it sucked, big time.
Were we still broke when we got back? YES! But we still would have been,
just as, broke, had we not gone. We eventually, caught up. Was that hard?
YES! But, that cruise break provided a much needed respite from being broke
all of the time. It also provided us an incentive to make sure that when we
were back on track, financially, that we would make damn sure that we would
always put aside enough, in time and money, to take a cruise, at least,
every year. So, I'd say, we got a whole lot for that so-called, lost
investment, Tom.
The memories and fun were worth SOOOO much more than ANY expensive bauble
could ever be.
Eileen
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A $5000 cruise (you pick the ship and itinerary)
or
A Rolex watch that costs $5000 right now, but in 15 years could, and
probably will be worth $15,000 USED.
I was very specific about the investment part. Wanting to see if the
increasing in value might make any difference to anyone.
I'm not disappointed at all. I know everyone here is a cruise fan. I
just wanted to start some conversation. And see if I could trigger any
changes in people's perceptions.
As far as a momento...
When I was in Italy about 6 years ago I bought my father some leather
gloves. They were natural leather colored like a pair he used to have
when I was very young. My dad never had the chance to wear those
gloves. He had leukemia. He put them away, but didn't live until the
next winter. My mom gave me the gloves and I wear them and always think
about my dad.
My dad never had a Rolex. He was an auto worker. Never made a lot of
money. But we went out and bought one for my mom for her 25th
anniversary. Back then, maybe it cost us $200. She doesn't wear it
anymore (it needs a serious cleaning so it doesn't run well), but my mom
plans on giving it to my daughter some day when she's older.
That $200 watch is about what your mom's ring cost.
I put a gold ring, and a Rolex watch in the same category.
If you add the sentimental value to each... that puts them in a whole
different league.
Would I trade my dad's leather gloves for a cruise? Now... That's a
good question. I think I'd keep the gloves.
--Tom
Sue and Kevin Mullen
Tom & Linda wrote:
>
> Would I trade my dad's leather gloves for a cruise? Now... That's a
> good question. I think I'd keep the gloves.
Same as I would never trade my mothers pearls. Not only did they belong
to her, but my daughter and I both wore them on our wedding days. I do
not wear them, but I would never give them away or sell them. They will
be passed on to my daughter, the only grandaughter my mother had.
sue
villa deauville
to buy me a ring. I received a Bulova watch in its stead. Years passed,
our son was born. He heard me tell the story to a friend when he was
about 7.
A few years passed, perhaps 1 or two and he came home with a big fake
diamond ring from a cracker jack box. I love that ring. I look at it
each day. Compared to my real diamond ring his ring is priceless.
SUNNY<..........has never, does or will try to keep up with the Joneses.
Her priorities lie elsewhere i.e. taking a cruise v a Rolex watch
S'nd I
Linsifer
valuable enough for me.:)
~Lindsay
Charles wrote:
<<Given the two choices I would take the extra cruise because I am not
interested in very expensive watches. In reality I would probably use
$1000 of the $5000 for a cruise and use the rest on something else.
--
Charles>>
Linsifer
twice a day.:)
~Lindsay
PBowen wrote:
The problem with a watch is a $10 watch will tell time just as well as a
Rolex. Honestly with all the fakes out there I
assume that every Rolex I see is fake.
Linsifer
~Lindsay
Linsifer
~Lindsay
Linsifer
~Lindsay
George Leppla
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> Half of us have probably been to Cozumel, Ocho Rios, or St. Thomas so
> many times that we don't even bother getting off the ship anymore.
Odd how some people will go to Bermuda year after year after year after year
and talk about how wonderful it is, yet repeating in some Caribbean ports is
considered boring. Some things (and places) are so much fun that they are
worth doing over and over again. Besides, I don't remember saying I would
take a $5000 cruise to the Caribbean.
> The other half of the "no one gets out alive" quote is the "he who dies
> with the most toys wins".
If you are interested in owning "toys" rather than living life, then I guess
that quote would apply for you. It doesn't for me so I didn't include it.
I hope to die in my sleep and broke... right after tucking my last $5 poker
chip into the bra of some cute cocktail waitress. <vbg>
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Lunyma
>enough cruises a year... I'd do something different with my money and
>buy the watch".
My husband would buy the watch. I'd take the cruise...
Pam :)
http://www.cruisesinc.com/plome
866-LV2CRUZ (582-2789)
Lunyma
>can get to go there and walk in her mother's footsteps.
There will never be peace there, Dick. I went in '79, and traveled amongst
turmoil, withOUT any current wars... If you really want to go there, just
go...
SNUMBER6
>Ya mean like Tix to see MEss and the boys?
>
Not even if they went up in value ... but the 1993/1994 season ... yeah
...that'd beat out a cruise ...
Tom & Linda
In the Caribbean, you typically visit 4 or 5 different ports. You have
favorites that you get off at, and others where some people just might
stay on the ship. You can miss 1 port and still go to 3-4 others.
Bermuda has no other ports. If you spend 1 day quietly vegging... the
other 3 days you still get off the ship in Bermuda. If you went to
Bermuda and didn't get off the ship for 4 days... that wouldn't make any
sense.
As to owning toys. Funny... but most people at work consider all the
cruises we go on as our "toys".
To make the assumption that I'm a toy collector might not be a good
assumption. But to assume that I do like to trigger people to try to
think differently at times, or at least throw out some different ideas
to think about, would be a good assumption.
--Tom
L.B.
>
>
>Suppose that you had an extra $5000 burning a hole in your pocket...
>
>Which would you buy? (Assuming you HAD to do one or the other.)
>
>
>
>or
>
>A Rolex watch that costs $5000 right now, but in 15 years could, and
>probably will be worth $15,000 USED.
>
>
>in Switzerland last month, I noticed that the Rolex Sub Mariner (scuba
>diving) watch, that sold for about $900 like 15 years ago, now sells for
>about $3000-4000 USED. The gold and stainless date/just that sold for
>about $1600 back then, now sells for about $4000-5000 USED.
>
>
>get home... the money's gone), or spend the money on a watch that went
>up in value?
>
>Rolex seems to have a unique characteristic in that it lets you wear it,
>use it, and enjoy it while it increases in value.
>
>--Tom
between a real rolex watch and a fake one? The real one's second hand goes
around smoothly, while the fake one's jerks each second. I know this because I
have both, however I wear a cheap watch from Target that tells the date on it,
and when traveling I have a double face watch that tells me the time where we
are and what time it is at home. L.B.
TO REPLY-@optonline.net Rich Cacace
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Charles
wrote:
> No problem mon, would take the cruise. Do you know how to tell the
> difference between a real rolex watch and a fake one? The real one's
> second hand goes around smoothly, while the fake one's jerks each
> second. I know this because I have both, however I wear a cheap
> watch from Target that tells the date on it, and when traveling I
> have a double face watch that tells me the time where we are and what
> time it is at home. L.B.
There are more expensive fake Rolexs that sell for about $70 where the
second hand goes around the same way as a real Rolex. I would never buy
a Rolex as a watch, and certainly not as an investment, as a watch is
not something I want to buy as an investment. If I had an extra $5000,
as I said I would use $1000 or so on a cruise, and the rest on other
things, which might include investing it, although since I am already
investing what I consider to be a sufficent amount, more investment is
not a priority. If someone gave me a Rolex as a gift I would treasure
it, but I would probably only wear it on special occasions.
Myself, I have a Timex for casual wear and water sports, another watch
for work, as the Timex watches don't keep accurate time, they gain
about 5 seconds every day or about 30 seconds a week, and a watch for
dress occasions. A very nice dress watch can be had for around $200 to
$400. For about $500 I have three watches and am covered for any
occasion. But how about folks who don't wear watches and but are always
asking for the time? That I don't get.....
--
Charles
Benjamin Smith
Tom & Linda wrote:
> So far, I haven't heard one person write... "you know... I already go on
> enough cruises a year... I'd do something different with my money and
> buy the watch".
>
I think it is the limited choice of a cruise or a watch that has on a
group with a bias for cruising to choose cruising.
Now, I may not cruise and take the $5000 and get a piece of art, take a
bunch of classes, start a school, or do a variety of other things. I
don't even think about Rolexes. Maybe it is a fine watch maker that
represents quality but status symbol is the first that comes to mind and
I see no need to spend thousands of dollars on a watch.
I think there are other things that people will spend thousands of
dollars on that they may spend it on rather than a watch.
Ben
Benjamin Smith
Tom & Linda wrote:
> If the Patek went up in value over time (3x to 4x over 15 years)... that
> would be the same.
>
> The particular scenario I threw out was do you spend the $5K on a cruise
> (where the money is gone as soon as the cruise is over) or on a watch
> that goes up 3 times to 4 times in value over time. Specifically an
> investment that you can wear and enjoy.
So, your question is do you invest your money on an object that
appreciates vs. spending it on another cruise.
I'd invest it in something that is guaranteed to appreciate (but not a
Rolex) over going on a cruise, unless something traumatic happened in my
life.
Ben S.
JPM
About 18 years ago my wife got me a used Rolex as an anniversary present. I
suspect she was tired of me going through 2 watches a year. I thought it
was a bit pretentious, but it was a quality timepiece and looked tasteful.
I enjoyed being able to swim and snorkel and generally abuse the thing.
I just had to bring it in yesterday to the jeweler since it finally stopped
ticking after 20 years. She paid a little over $1000 for it....the jeweler
insured it for $6000. When I get it back, I will now be somewhat nervous to
wear it!
Having said that....I would take the 5 grand and do the 10 day Hawaii
cruise...in a heartbeat!
When we are old(er) and gray(er) we will likely not be sitting by the fire
fondly reminiscing about our wristwatches.
McT
Karen Allison
with the most toys wins".
I'm of the "light the last cigar with the last $100 bill as you die"
persuasion. I'll always take the trip over the possession.
And no, I don't smoke ANYTHING :-)
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Tom & Linda
JPM wrote:
>
> Funny this thread should come up...
>
> About 18 years ago my wife got me a used Rolex as an anniversary present. I
> suspect she was tired of me going through 2 watches a year. I thought it
> was a bit pretentious, but it was a quality timepiece and looked tasteful.
> I enjoyed being able to swim and snorkel and generally abuse the thing.
>
> I just had to bring it in yesterday to the jeweler since it finally stopped
> ticking after 20 years. She paid a little over $1000 for it....the jeweler
> insured it for $6000. When I get it back, I will now be somewhat nervous to
> wear it!
>
> Having said that....I would take the 5 grand and do the 10 day Hawaii
> cruise...in a heartbeat!
>
> When we are old(er) and gray(er) we will likely not be sitting by the fire
> fondly reminiscing about our wristwatches.
>
> McT
>
But if you're already doing 3-4 cruises a year... and you plan on
leaving your watch for your grandson... would that make a difference?
I'm not looking for any "right" answer. Just trying to stimulate
"thought". It seems that, while pretty much everyone here would opt for
the cruise (it is after all a cruise group), they did have some fun with
the thread.
--Tom
Doris
Since I am 75 years old my answer would be None of the Above. Time goes
by too quickly as it is and I don't need a watch to remind me. I have a
mirror that does that. At my age I am working hard to decrease my
capital and not increase it. One $5000 cruise would be nice, but I would
really prefer 5 $1000 cruises.
Please no offers to help me with decreasing my capital. I alreaady have
a president who is helping me there.
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Which wiould you choose?
Doris,..whos husband owns 2 ROLADEX(my spelling) watches he bought in
Bangkok
Tom & Linda
enough watches (wedding present when we were married 17 years ago).
I guess what I would think about doing is to buy 2 $2500 stainless steel
Rolex watches (if you can get them that cheap) and put them away and
save them and give one to Jonathan and one to Lara when they graduate
college.
It's not like we need another cruise in any given year.
What I did enjoy were the answers from the people who felt that they
could disregard my premise of having to do one or the other.
--Tom
George in NY
the older watches were promarilt 14k gold versus newer watches being 18k
gold.
George in NY
Edward Todd
silver, etc. as "investments".
Investments are things you buy with the full intention of selling them
later for a nice profit.
Show me a woman who buys all that jewelry, china and silver ... all the
while dreaming of the day she will sell it for a profit.
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN :)
We could be kicked out of our house, cars repossesed, living in a
cardboard box, hungry .. but the wife would cling to those "investments"
as the last vestiges of what "was".
Buy the Rolex beacuse you like the way it looks and because you like to
show it off ... but do not fool yourself into calling it an investment.
You know you'll never sell it. Nor will your kids when they inherit it.
They will treasure it because it was yours, not because it is a Rolex.
(By then a new brand may be in vogue, with Rolexes being cast aside, you
never know).
Edward
CupCaked
>
>Suppose that you had an extra $5000 burning a hole in your pocket...
>
>Which would you buy? (Assuming you HAD to do one or the other.)
>
>
>A $5000 cruise (you pick the ship and itinerary)
>
>or
>
>A Rolex watch that costs $5000 right now, but in 15 years could, and
>probably will be worth $15,000 USED.
Never the watch. Never.
Karen
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>Here's what my original post said:
Funny, how your post, a simple thought-provoking question, got some
folks up in arms. I know that's not what you meant to do.
Funny, what happens on this newsgroup <sigh>
Steve In NorCal
"Tom & Linda" <TKAN...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
> Suppose that you had an extra $5000 burning a hole in your pocket...
>
> Which would you buy? (Assuming you HAD to do one or the other.)
>
>
> A $5000 cruise (you pick the ship and itinerary)
>
> or
>
> A Rolex watch that costs $5000 right now, but in 15 years could, and
> probably will be worth $15,000 USED.
>
I would definitely take the cruise. I have paid much more than 5000.00 for
some of my cruises and don't regret spending the money at all. However, I
actually had to look at my watch just now to see what brand it is..lol.
Different strokes for different folks..
Steve<----who just found out my watch is a Pulsar
Bob
has 2-L's in it LOL
bobk
SNUMBER6
>I thought you could tell the difference by the spelling...The real one
>has 2-L's in it LOL
>bobk
I got mine in Japan .. a real Rorex ...
S.J. Warren
even accurate....
I'll take the cruise in a heartbeat!!!
I'd spread out the $5000 for more than one cruise...only problem is. I
need more vacation time from work!
Susan
Annie Noname4
someone willing to pay you for it,can take 2 cruises for $5000.00
Annie Noname4
battery every 2 years,have a diamond witteneaur for thirty years,and is
still keeping perfect time,probably because I only wear it on cruises on
formal nights,rest of the time in a safety deposit box,old fashioned
because it is a wind up
jleq
merely given the choice between the cruise or the watch), my answer
(cruise) probably would have been different. In fact, almost everybody's
probably would have been.
It's just that I put little value on an expensive watch.
--jim
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Tom & Linda
privately off-line - because (as one said) they didn't think they were
thick skinned enough to take the rants of most of the people in the
group.
That in itself says a lot.
The ones that replied privately mostly said that they might opt for the
watch. Funny how they wouldn't say it publicly however.
This group doesn't do "differing opinion" very well at times. If
someone's not in agreement... we're not exactly the most tolerant gang.
That might be something for all of us to think about.
--Tom
Linsifer
~Lindsay
Pam wrote:
My husband would buy the watch. I'd take the cruise...
Pam :)
EileenMcDonald
folks up in arms <<
Gee, Karen..I didn't see anybody "up in arms".
Funny how YOU saw that.
>> I know that's not what you meant to do. <<
So did, pretty much, everyone else..
>> Funny, what happens on this newsgroup <sigh>
Ya, well.. we all sigh for dofferent reasons.
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"Tom & Linda" <TKAN...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> What's really interesting... is that several people replied to me
> privately off-line - because (as one said) they didn't think they were
> thick skinned enough to take the rants of most of the people in the
> group.
>
> That in itself says a lot.
>
> The ones that replied privately mostly said that they might opt for the
> watch. Funny how they wouldn't say it publicly however.
>
> This group doesn't do "differing opinion" very well at times. If
> someone's not in agreement... we're not exactly the most tolerant gang.
>
It's not just the newsgroup - it's the nation, you may have noticed.
Dissenting opinions are not as valued as they were in Jefferson's day -
today it's a whole lot more like Nixon's time! I watched a Watergate
retrospective the other day and was quite uneasy with the similarities to
our present time, in terms of 'with us or against us'.
Chris
EileenMcDonald
someone's not in agreement... we're not exactly the most tolerant gang.
That might be something for all of us to think about.
--Tom <<
While I agree with that statement, in general, I hardly think this thread
could be considered a muckracker. I knew you were just throwing something
out there, nothing wrong with that. You seem to feel that the responce you
got was skewed by a built-in bias, simply because this is a cruise focused
NG. In this instance, I don't agree. I think you would have gotten the same
ratio if it was ANY expensive *something*. Watch/jewelry/piece of art,
(whatever) guaranteed to go up in value, over time, versus any kind of
trip/vacation.
The responce ratio was, clearly, based on enjoy now or enjoy later, Tom.
I did say you seemed disappointed in the responces, Tom. Wasn't a criticism,
just an obsevation. I just don't think that the subject/topic was all that
controversial. Try harder, next time. ;) Certainly, nowhere..near enough, to
cause some folks to be afraid of, publically, stating their choice. That's
just plain silly that they felt that way, in this instance.
HDawson228
watches keep just as good time. As an investment, any financial advisor can
give better investment advice, especially with today's stock prices poised for
recovery. And if you think the Rolex is such an investment then buy some
Carnival stock just to get the onboard credit. Makes about as much since.
EileenMcDonald
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WOW! Even with the *forced-to-do* cabin sharing, to keep down your costs??
Not to be confused with the cruiseline based *forced* sharing a cabin with a
handicapped/hearing impaired policy, farce. You'd think, that someone who
had 10 grand to spend on a cruise could easily afford 2 very, high-end,
seperate rooms, even a 10-14 day cruise, no?
sheree
again in 92 at the end of the gulf war. Dick, if you really want to to go,
just go, they need the tourism and the money. There are safe places to go
and dangerous places just like any big city.
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> >Hopefully before my time runs out there will be peace there and Danni and
I
> >can get to go there and walk in her mother's footsteps.
>
> There will never be peace there, Dick. I went in '79, and traveled
amongst
> turmoil, withOUT any current wars... If you really want to go there, just
> go...
>
>
> Pam :)
> http://www.cruisesinc.com/plome
> 866-LV2CRUZ (582-2789)
Danni
take a long walk off a short pier.
EileenMcDonald
Hey Danni,
Take, yet, another long walk down the cruiseship corridor. As far as I know,
there are no signposts in the corridors....
Cruiseline-Enforced cabin sharing for handicapped paxs.... This Way.
Cabins for those who wish to save money while sharing a 10 grand suite..
That Way.
Cabins for those pax wishing to share a bed with daddy, while pretending
they are *forced* to do so?... well.. you're on your own!
Signposts or guide posts would be oxymoronic, in your case.
Eileen
Danni
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MsPatty4
>fondly reminiscing about our wristwatches.
AMEN!
~Patty
kayc
I'm an antique dealer and a collector, and
those "great investments" are just another term for "I've just got to have
it!"
Oh well, I know I have lots of company.
Smooth cruisin', Kay
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EileenMcDonald
I see you've run out of bogus justifications..
resorting to lame, very lame , insults, in lieu of legitimate argument.
That's what happens when you are shown to be full of shit, honey.
What?.. you ran out of cruiselines with *official* FORCED hearing impaired
paxs policys? Celebrity also never has had a requirement!
Me thinks, YOU need to get out of dear daddy's bed.. after all, you DO go
there without any sherry, quite happily, apparently.
Care to come up with a new and improved excuse/justification, *official* or
otherwise??
gwm...@webtv.net
won't need a wristwatch [LOL]].
If you need to KNOW the TIME, look at your cell phone ... no additional
cost [LOL]!
Don't be a Scrooge: If investing money to make more money is more
important than investing in yourself and your loved one(s), I feel sorry
for you [you then have already MISSED the BOAT [LOL]]!
Remember: Travel should be an appetizer in life ... not a dessert (i.e.,
go when you are young and have the memories [better than $ anytime] ...
and you can still buy that Rolex when you are too old to travel and then
let your children reap the profits)!
Memories are an important part of life ... better to have memories of a
great cruise with your loved one(s) and a working Timex, than memories
of working in an office with a broken Rolex lying in a safety deposit
box!
Danni
As I said last week, I need not justify anything to someone whose mind is in
the toilet.
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Linsifer
when they're different than MINE! <grin>
~Lindsay
Tom wrote:
<< This group doesn't do "differing opinion" very well at times. If
> someone's not in agreement... we're not exactly the most tolerant gang.>>
Chris replied:
Benjamin Smith
I agree. And I dissent. Some others do. People think we're off base. So
be it. At least dissenters aren't being safe.
Ben S.
> Chris
>
>
>
Benjamin Smith
HDawson228 wrote:
> What's the deal about a Rolex except status or stoking one's own ego. Many $20
> watches keep just as good time.
I can't go along with this. What's the big deal about a Mercedes, many
less expensive cars can carry 5 people and get you from point A to B.
What's the big deal about a Steinway, many pianos can make sound. And,
to cruising, what's the big deal about a new, big ship, or very
expensive cruise? Many cruise ships can take you from one port to another.
One can make an argument for getting a fine watch including workmanship,
a watch *is* a piece of jewelry.
Many people buy things for prestige, and not really appreciative of
their quality, and certainly not for their function. Some buy works of
art as investments, and could care less about the art. Same with
antiques. And I guess, the same with pieces of jewelry.
Ben
ZombyWoof
<TKAN...@worldnet.att.net> wrote something wonderfully witty:
>
>Suppose that you had an extra $5000 burning a hole in your pocket...
>
>Which would you buy? (Assuming you HAD to do one or the other.)
>
>
>A $5000 cruise (you pick the ship and itinerary)
>
>or
>
>A Rolex watch that costs $5000 right now, but in 15 years could, and
>probably will be worth $15,000 USED.
>
>
>I know we've had some fun discussions on Rolex watches, but when I was
>in Switzerland last month, I noticed that the Rolex Sub Mariner (scuba
>diving) watch, that sold for about $900 like 15 years ago, now sells for
>about $3000-4000 USED. The gold and stainless date/just that sold for
>about $1600 back then, now sells for about $4000-5000 USED.
>
>I bet nobody's fake Rolex went up $3000 in value.
>
>So... would you rather take an extra cruise (remember that the day you
>get home... the money's gone), or spend the money on a watch that went
>up in value?
>
>Unlike a bank account, stock or mutual fund that increases in value, the
>Rolex seems to have a unique characteristic in that it lets you wear it,
>use it, and enjoy it while it increases in value.
>
>--Tom
>
Whatever. I buy watches to tell the time. Not one I have ever owned
provided me with a week of total relaxation. Matter of fact I don't
even wear a watch on a cruise. Reminds me to much of a schedule,
which reminds me of work.
--
ZombyWoof
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it's just a tired feeling.
Gayle A Kortright
Gayle
Annie Mooney
> Only you know what has value to you, though, so I hope you enjoy
> whatever you do with that extra $$$.
Hey, Connie, you hit the nail on the head. Some folks want/need the
Rolex, others don't for a variety of reasons. I've had "fancy-schmancy"
watches that lasted a few years and went kaput. I have several old
wind-up watches -- 2 of my mother's, 1 of my dad's -- that are over 50
years old and run absolutely perfect. I also have a watch mother got me
in 1962 from a coupon on the back of a Nestle Quik box that still runs
great.
Me: I'll stick with the old fashioned watches I favor and use the $$$ to
cruise with my hubby-to-be (yeah, I need to e you about that!).
==Annie by the Bay
(will take her high school sweetheart on his first cruise in December,
and he's already anticipating a great time -- I think he's gonna catch
cruise fever in a big way!)
Reef Fish
> No question about it - CRUISE! FWIW a watch is a watch!!
No!
A CRUISE is one letter away from a CURSE.
A WATCH is a WATCH! A thing of beauty to behold!! :-)
-- Bob.
Charles
<be...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> I can't go along with this. What's the big deal about a Mercedes, many
> less expensive cars can carry 5 people and get you from point A to B.
> What's the big deal about a Steinway, many pianos can make sound. And,
> to cruising, what's the big deal about a new, big ship, or very
> expensive cruise? Many cruise ships can take you from one port to another.
There is no big deal about a Mercedes, it is only an auto, and may only
be a status symbol in the US. A Steinway is a big deal. The sound of a
piano is important to a professional piano player. Getting a Steinway
is not stoking ones ego.
--
Charles
villa deauville
S'nd I
Tom & Linda
Apparently only sports millionairs and rap star millionaires buy them
now.
--Tom
villa deauville
Just my luck.
SUNNY<..........has champagne taste with beer pockets
S'nd I
Peter Berlin
for that long, you would never consider selling it. So,
take the cruise, cause you probably wouldn't sell your Rolex.
Peter
Tom & Linda wrote:
> Suppose that you had an extra $5000 burning a hole in your pocket...
>
> Which would you buy? (Assuming you HAD to do one or the other.)
>
>
> A $5000 cruise (you pick the ship and itinerary)
>
> or
>
> A Rolex watch that costs $5000 right now, but in 15 years could, and
> probably will be worth $15,000 USED.
>
>
> I know we've had some fun discussions on Rolex watches, but when I was
> in Switzerland last month, I noticed that the Rolex Sub Mariner (scuba
> diving) watch, that sold for about $900 like 15 years ago, now sells for
> about $3000-4000 USED. The gold and stainless date/just that sold for
> about $1600 back then, now sells for about $4000-5000 USED.
>
> I bet nobody's fake Rolex went up $3000 in value.
>
> So... would you rather take an extra cruise (remember that the day you
> get home... the money's gone), or spend the money on a watch that went
> up in value?
>
> Unlike a bank account, stock or mutual fund that increases in value, the
> Rolex seems to have a unique characteristic in that it lets you wear it,
> use it, and enjoy it while it increases in value.
>
> --Tom
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