'Mercury' arriving at Seattle with some sick passengers
Margelyn Carpenter
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Sick_Ship.html
RichC
"Margelyn Carpenter" <mpc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Dick G
>
three weeks ago.
--
DG in Cherry Hill, NJ
Margelyn Carpenter
19th sailing - the AP reporter got it wrong in today's story:
"The 866-foot ship sailed from Seattle last Friday after the captain was
replaced because Coast Guard inspectors suspected he had been drinking"
Anyway, this ship has been having a lot of bad luck lately.
"Dick G" <dickdotgoldhaber@gmaildotcom> wrote in message
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Warren
>
> Anyway, this ship has been having a lot of bad luck lately.
>
I'm not surprised. For instance, there was nearly zero enforcement of
using the hand sanitizers at the buffet during my cruise aboard Mercury
in May. Contrast that with the cruises I took on Norwegian Star last
year, and Legend of the Seas in October - where one could not enter the
buffets or cross the gangway without first using the hand sanitizer.
Not doing so was not an option - a smiling steward politely requested
it before you could proceed. This was not the case on Mercury. There
were no stewards standing at the entrances and I observed most
passengers walking right passed the sanitizers. I used the restroom
prior to one lunch, followed a guy out who had not washed his hands,
walked right into the buffet and got in the serving line without first
using the sanitizer.
On Legend of the Seas, stewards sprayed each table in the Windjammer
buffet with disinfectant every time they were vacated. Mercury, it was
hit or miss if the table was cleansed after being vacated - and no
spray was used - just a washcloth that the busboy happened to be
carrying around. I chose not to sit at several empty tables that had
been cleared but obviously not cleaned (crumbs and spills remained).
Warren
Jean O'Boyle
"Warren" <oceanvoy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Margelyn Carpenter wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, this ship has been having a lot of bad luck lately.
>>
>
> I'm not surprised. For instance, there was nearly zero enforcement of
> using the hand sanitizers at the buffet during my cruise aboard Mercury
> in May.
Warren, there was zero enforcement on her when we were on her the end of
April, either..It was all voluntary.
Surprising after the two major outbreaks she had in March. They just did not
seem to be concerned about what they had just been through.
>Contrast that with the cruises I took on Norwegian Star last
> year, and Legend of the Seas in October - where one could not enter the
> buffets or cross the gangway without first using the hand sanitizer.
> Not doing so was not an option - a smiling steward politely requested
> it before you could proceed.
This should be the procedure on every ship, out of fairness to all the
passenger's well-being.
>This was not the case on Mercury. There
> were no stewards standing at the entrances and I observed most
> passengers walking right passed the sanitizers. I used the restroom
> prior to one lunch, followed a guy out who had not washed his hands,
> walked right into the buffet and got in the serving line without first
> using the sanitizer.
For the life of me, I cannot understand this behavior! Do they still need
their Moms standing there and telling them to wash their hands?
--Jean
> Warren
Reef Fish
Jean O'Boyle wrote:
> > Margelyn Carpenter wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyway, this ship has been having a lot of bad luck lately.
> >>
> > I'm not surprised. For instance, there was nearly zero enforcement of
> > using the hand sanitizers at the buffet during my cruise aboard Mercury
> > in May.
>
> Warren, there was zero enforcement on her when we were on her the end of
> April, either..
> Surprising after the two major outbreaks she had in March. They j
> just did not seem to be concerned about what they had just been through.
>
>
> Do they still need
> their Moms standing there and telling them to wash their hands?
>
> --Jean
Queen O'Boil, are you mentally decrepit from your senility or what?
Having had this experience and heard those of others, you were
STILL trying to get on ANOTHER one of Celebrity's "Clorox Box"
the Galaxy?
What a head-in-the-sand Old Bag.
-- Bob.
Reef Fish
Dick G wrote:
> "Margelyn Carpenter" <mpc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > This is the ship that left last Friday without its drunken captain
> >
> A slight correction. The Captain of the Mercury was removed on May 19th,
What a coincidence!
May 19 was the day Dick (aka DG and DIckhead Goldhaber) publicly
bragged about how he repeatedly hit the "REPORT ABUSE" button
to have had Google bar me (since May 13) from posting with this
posting ID while the case was being investigated; and Dickhead
further bragged that he sent MORE FALSE abuse reports to Google
about my Dr. Bob posting account ...
The Stupid Trick of the Burglar showing the video of his own crime. :-)
May 19 was ALSO the day Google restored my posting ID, even
before I had a chance to file MY "abuse report" on DIckhead's
self-confession.
What a Dickhead.
What a stupid 72-year-old pill-popping senile Old SCUM, who
also said he had me killfiled -- and couldn't stand his own head
in the sand long enough to pop back out with his nonsense
again.
LOL.
-- Bob.
RichC
"Warren" <oceanvoy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> using the hand sanitizers at the buffet during my cruise aboard Mercury
> in May. Contrast that with the cruises I took on Norwegian Star last
> year, and Legend of the Seas in October - where one could not enter the
> buffets or cross the gangway without first using the hand sanitizer.
> Not doing so was not an option - a smiling steward politely requested
> it before you could proceed. This was not the case on Mercury. There
> were no stewards standing at the entrances and I observed most
> passengers walking right passed the sanitizers. I used the restroom
> prior to one lunch, followed a guy out who had not washed his hands,
> walked right into the buffet and got in the serving line without first
> using the sanitizer.
>
> Warren
>
I haven't been on Celebrity in quite a while but on Princess and NCL they
didn't really enforce the hand sanitizer policy strongly. They just
indicated that you should use it. It's still surprising that more incidents
haven't broken out on land based hotels (unless the news hasn't publicized
it). All I keep hearing is about all the cruise ship cases. I'm sure people
aren't any cleaner on land than they are on a ship. Strange.
Ray Goldenberg
<rcacace@{REMOVE_TO_REPLY}swfla.rr.com> wrote:
>It's still surprising that more incidents
>haven't broken out on land based hotels (unless the news hasn't publicized
>it). All I keep hearing is about all the cruise ship cases. I'm sure people
>aren't any cleaner on land than they are on a ship. Strange.
Hi Rich,
Land based operations are NOT required to report outbreaks while
cruise lines are required to report them.
Best regards,
Ray
LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL
800-719-9917 or 805-566-3905
http://www.lighthousetravel.com
--
Cathy Kearns
"RichC" <rcacace@{REMOVE_TO_REPLY}swfla.rr.com> wrote in message
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> It's still surprising that more incidents
> haven't broken out on land based hotels (unless the news hasn't publicized
> it). All I keep hearing is about all the cruise ship cases. I'm sure
people
> aren't any cleaner on land than they are on a ship. Strange.
You do hear about Noroviruses in other environments, such as retirement
homes, schools, camps, conventions. Your average land based hotel has
people coming and going at different times. Let's say a guy checks in,
leaves a Norovirus on the elevator button. A guy then picks up that virus
and checks out. By the time his symptoms show up he is somewhere else.
(Maybe even on a cruise ship....). Since people stay on the cruise ship for
longer than the incubation period it is easier to see a pattern of illness
on a cruise ship.
Kurt Ullman
"Cathy Kearns" <cathy_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
And the epidemiology is such that it spreads quicker given the smaller
confines. You have more people than in your average resort, cramped into
many fewer "acres". Spreads quicker.
Celebrity Cruiser
Does anyone know the status of the removed captain of the Mercury?
Mark
Homeport:
Monmouth County,NJ
Reef Fish
Celebrity Cruiser wrote:
>
> Does anyone know the status of the removed captain of the Mercury?
I seem to recall having heard an unconfirmed rumor that he has
become a Press Agent so that he can supply Ray press releases
to keep Ray's business going.
-- Bob.
Surfer E2468
LIBERTY,and NCL CROWN, & WIND.People that use the estrooms,and do not
wash their hands,in my honest opinion are a bunch of pigs,or maybe i
should not insult the animals.
<
cruise lover>
Jean O'Boyle
"Surfer E2468" <poco...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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That's true, Annie, but the Mercury has been having more than its share of
contagious illnesses..Having just been on her recently, I saw how poorly she
was maintained...I have not seen this as blatant on any of the other cruise
lines..it was just too conspicuous not to be noticed.
As far as poor hygiene, it occurs on any ship that you might take...but it
is especially important to practice good hygiene on ships where there is a
fairly close contact of many people in a confined space for so many days...I
have seen it in restrooms of very nice restaurants on land. Lack of manners,
lack of cleanliness, the way one was brought up or just plain uncaring
attitude, I guess.
--Jean
Lee Florack
> "Surfer E2468" <poco...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:28871-448...@storefull-3358.bay.webtv.net...
>> This not only happens on the MERCURY,we found it to be so on CARNIVAL
>> LIBERTY,and NCL CROWN, & WIND.People that use the estrooms,and do not
>> wash their hands,in my honest opinion are a bunch of pigs,or maybe i
>> should not insult the animals.
>
> That's true, Annie, but the Mercury has been having more than its share of
> contagious illnesses..Having just been on her recently, I saw how poorly she
> was maintained...I have not seen this as blatant on any of the other cruise
> lines..it was just too conspicuous not to be noticed.
I was recently (April 7th-17th) on Mercury as well as we cruised the
Mexican Riviera. At that time, the CDC was on board -- as they were
for the previous 4 cruises (at least) due to Norovirus outbreaks.
During that time, the CDC had the crew wipe and spray everything
with disinfectant and not wipe it off. This gave the appearance of
a very messy ship. Although it certainly looked that way, it was
required by the CDC as part of their program to try to eliminate the
virus outbreak.
Is that the poor maintenance you're referring to?
Jean O'Boyle
"Lee Florack" <lflo...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Jean O'Boyle wrote:
.
>>
>> That's true, Annie, but the Mercury has been having more than its share
>> of contagious illnesses..Having just been on her recently, I saw how
>> poorly she was maintained...I have not seen this as blatant on any of the
>> other cruise lines..it was just too conspicuous not to be noticed.
>
> I was recently (April 7th-17th) on Mercury as well as we cruised the
> Mexican Riviera. At that time, the CDC was on board -- as they were for
> the previous 4 cruises (at least) due to Norovirus outbreaks. During that
> time, the CDC had the crew wipe and spray everything with disinfectant and
> not wipe it off. This gave the appearance of a very messy ship. Although
> it certainly looked that way, it was required by the CDC as part of their
> program to try to eliminate the virus outbreak.
>
> Is that the poor maintenance you're referring to?
No, I meant the soiled upholstery and carpeting...There did not seem to be
much cleaning going on around the ship either.
On most all of our other cruises, we have seen vacuuming and polishing going
on all times of the day, but not so on the Apr.26th sailing...Maybe they
were worn out from all the disinfecting that they had to do on the two
previous sailings when they had the large outbreaks of illness...We saw no
disinfecting, but brought Lysol Wipes and went over everything in our cabin
completely when we first arrived ..We left them on the bathroom counter and
asked our cabin steward to use them. One day we returned and found our
chair and sofa a bit damp all over; as if they had gone over it with a
sanitizing agent..It was dry in a few hours..Our cabin was clean and very
well maintained..it was just the public areas that were not..
--Jean
Lee Florack
> "Lee Florack" <lflo...@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:LAKig.14620$W97....@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
>>
>> Mexican Riviera. At that time, the CDC was on board -- as they were for
>> the previous 4 cruises (at least) due to Norovirus outbreaks. During that
>> time, the CDC had the crew wipe and spray everything with disinfectant and
>> not wipe it off. This gave the appearance of a very messy ship. Although
>> it certainly looked that way, it was required by the CDC as part of their
>> program to try to eliminate the virus outbreak.
>>
>> Is that the poor maintenance you're referring to?
>
> No, I meant the soiled upholstery and carpeting...There did not seem to be
> much cleaning going on around the ship either.
> On most all of our other cruises, we have seen vacuuming and polishing going
> on all times of the day, but not so on the Apr.26th sailing...Maybe they
> were worn out from all the disinfecting that they had to do on the two
> previous sailings when they had the large outbreaks of illness...We saw no
> disinfecting, but brought Lysol Wipes and went over everything in our cabin
> completely when we first arrived ..We left them on the bathroom counter and
> asked our cabin steward to use them. One day we returned and found our
> chair and sofa a bit damp all over; as if they had gone over it with a
> sanitizing agent..It was dry in a few hours..Our cabin was clean and very
> well maintained..it was just the public areas that were not..
During our cruise, the crew was not allowed to vacuum or do other
housekeeping-type activities due to the virus outbreak -- that
includes the cleaning the carpeting and upholstery. I'm sure that
the inability to clean anything contributed to the overall poor
appearance of the ship on your cruise. It doesn't take long to make
the ship look bad when you're not allowed to clean anything. On our
cruise, there was a lot of sand in the carpets (no vacuuming) and a
scum-like film on just about everything else from the spraying and
wiping of disinfectant without the ability to clean and polish after
that. Although it was the sloppiest ship I've ever been on, I tried
to understand that it was needed to try to knock down the virus
outbreak that gripped the ship for at least 4 cruises.