Princess Art Auction - Wants Me to RETURN a Picasso???
jesses...@gmail.com
Hoping my fellow cruisers will have some insight on this - I went on a
Princess cruise a few months ago, and bought a Picasso etching (SIGNED)
on board - it came in the mail a few weeks later, framed and
everything. It's a nice piece, and I did some research and saw that
another numbered edition of the same etching had previously sold at
Sothebys and Christies.
So, I recently got this call from Princess Cruises saying they had gone
through their paperwork and they did not have sufficient paperwork to
prove this was a real Picasso. So, they offered to take the piece back
and offered me a full refund. They would pick up the piece and pay for
packing, shipping, everything!
Now, fellow cruisers... it has crossed my mind that Picassos are
appreciating in value and perhaps they want the piece back for some
other reason... any insights? Anyone else buy a Picasso and then get a
call asking for it to be returned??? Any similar experiences?
Sue and Kevin Mullen
jesses...@gmail.com wrote:
I never heard of anything like this happening. I would take it to an
art expert and find out if it is a real Picasso etching or not.
sue
Mike Cordelli
somebody who knows quickly. If they tell you it's a fake then sell it back
to them, if it's real, tell them you have grown attached to it.....
It could be a fake.
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Chrissy Cruiser
> So, I recently got this call from Princess Cruises saying they had gone
> through their paperwork and they did not have sufficient paperwork to
> prove this was a real Picasso. So, they offered to take the piece back
> and offered me a full refund. They would pick up the piece and pay for
> packing, shipping, everything!
>
> Now, fellow cruisers... it has crossed my mind that Picassos are
> appreciating in value and perhaps they want the piece back for some
> other reason... any insights?
They have admitted fraud. Criminal fraud.
Get thee an attorney and make them pay.
Gayle
>
> Hoping my fellow cruisers will have some insight on this - I went on a
> Princess cruise a few months ago, and bought a Picasso etching (SIGNED)
> on board - it came in the mail a few weeks later, framed and
> everything. It's a nice piece, and I did some research and saw that
> another numbered edition of the same etching had previously sold at
> Sothebys and Christies.
Do go to a gallery, or a large auction house, maybe try a contact with
Southebys, ask questions about the particular etching edition. They may be
able to provide you with some information about known forgeries. The lack of
provenance (proof of ownership history) is why the cruise line would be
offering a return. Without provenance, it may be difficult to get any
reliable gallery to purchase the artwork - could be forged or stolen. If
however, you purchased the piece at a reasonable price (reasonable is your
decision), you like the piece, and aren't looking at it as an investment,
then hang it and enjoy it.
Gayle
divrdan007
> > Now, fellow cruisers... it has crossed my mind that Picassos are
Gee, ya think?
REAL Picasso's appreciate in Value.... substantially... annually.
The COPIES they sell at Cruise Ship Auctions are another matter.
I would wager... there is a warehouse somewhere, with 10,000 more
peices similar to yours, waiting for other buyers.
perhaps they want the piece back for some
> > other reason... any insights?
> \
Chrissy Cruiser wrote:
> They have admitted fraud. Criminal fraud.
>
> Get thee an attorney and make them pay.
The above is possible, but I'm not sure.
The cruise line will always deny any responsibility, and defer to the
auction company.
Cruise Ship Art Auctions tread in the "Grey Area" of Fraud Laws all the
time.
Get an honest appraisal, then decide for yourself what you want to do.
If you're living under the illusion that Pablo Picasso ever actually
TOUCHED the art you now own.... it's time to wake up.
Good Luck
Tom K
an oil painting or watercolor original, painted by a local artist. Then
you'll have no concerns about fraud. You will have the original work by the
real artist. Pay what you're comfortable paying. And the artist will
charge what he's comfortable asking. The price won't be dictated by some
corporate fast talkers.
By the way, on our cruise to Quebec last fall, there were a lot of galleries
with GORGEOUS original oil paintings on sale at very reasonable prices.
Most of the galleries were in the old town area that you can walk to right
from where the ships dock.
--Tom
<jesses...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Chrissy Cruiser
> Chrissy Cruiser wrote:
>
>> They have admitted fraud. Criminal fraud.
>>
>> Get thee an attorney and make them pay.
>
> The above is possible, but I'm not sure.
> The cruise line will always deny any responsibility, and defer to the
> auction company.
I refer you to the OP quote:
"So, I recently got this call from Princess Cruises saying they had gone
through their paperwork and they did not have sufficient paperwork to
prove this was a real Picasso."
> Cruise Ship Art Auctions tread in the "Grey Area" of Fraud Laws all the
> time.
I was not aware of that. Has not been my experience.
Ruben Holguin
week...i am hoping to get a bargain on the picture of those dogs shooting
pool....or maybe a black velvet Elvis....
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jl...@aol.com
I would be happy if there was true art, not prints and mass produced
oils.
Dorothy
lots of prints and cartoons, probably not an original in the whole bunch!
It also is not a true auction as there is hardly ever any bidding! At a
true auction the auction house charges a buyers premium which is the profit.
On a cruise, either the cruise line or the auction house owns the painting
and then still charge a premium! DOUBLE PROFIT
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Sue and Kevin Mullen
Dorothy wrote:
> probably not an original in the whole bunch!
I have seen some "original" pcs of art on the ships. Not a lot of
them, but at least several per cruise I have been on.
sue