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James Ringenary Sr.
Mike Savad
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> Wondering about port and ship security since 9-11.
>
>
i do know that RCI doesn't allow pocket knives. i'm still waiting for the
RCI people to tell me why a pocket knife isn't allowed. and yet a room full
of steak knives are ok.
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Mark
It's not RCI...it's the Federal Government. Doesn't make sense, but then
show me a couple of rules that they make that do make sense.
Took away a pair of embroidery scissors, maybe 2-1/2" long, from my wife
last year on the Enchantment. Then we had dinner onboard before sailing and
they gave her a big ol' knife for her butter. Go figure.
Mark
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JLP20
In a nutshell, same as taking a plane. No guns, bombs or nail files.
"Anything that doesn't kill you,,,,,,,just hurts a hell of a lot" JLP20
Ermalee
Mark wrote:
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> Mike,
> It's not RCI...it's the Federal Government. Doesn't make sense, but then
> show me a couple of rules that they make that do make sense.
I can tell you one. They have this rule that says they have to send
me a retirement check every month. This one really makes sense to me!
Otherwise, who'd finance my cruisin' habit? <vbg>
>
> Took away a pair of embroidery scissors, maybe 2-1/2" long, from my wife
> last year on the Enchantment. Then we had dinner onboard before sailing and
> they gave her a big ol' knife for her butter. Go figure.
The airline took away the beautifully painted and decorated souvinir
horseshoe from the Gorsuch farm in Ohio. Dawn gave one to those who
attended her pre-cruise party. I wonder what happened to my pretty
little horseshoe (that I had no intention to use as a weapon). They
said I could've put it in my checked luggage, but I didn't check
anything. :-(
Ermalee
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> Mark
> "Mike Savad" <esa...@comcast.net> wrote in message
Kevin and Sue Mullen
"James Ringenary Sr." wrote:
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> Wondering about port and ship security since 9-11.
When we sailed on the Pacific Princess this summer, out of NY, there was
a polic helicopter with us, until we were out of the harbor. In the
different ports in Bermuda, we could see helicopters overhead.
Sue
Mark
the cruises while they were still trying to figure out what to do. Stopped
in Key West and had a real sight of the Coast Guard in a small cutter and 3
armed men in a Zodiac chasing down teens on their jet skis who got within
100 yards of the ship while in port. Their last intercept, just before we
left port, I was sure they were going to shoot the kid because he wouldn't
stop. He turned away from the ship and ran for port with the Zodiac right
behind him, guns pointed at him. Scary.
Mark
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Ray Goldenberg
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> I was sure they were going to shoot the kid because he wouldn't
>stop. He turned away from the ship and ran for port with the Zodiac right
>behind him, guns pointed at him. Scary.
Hi Mark,
This is SOP at all US ports since 9/11. The most unusual place I saw
this was in San Francisco Bay with all the wind surfers. There were
too many wind surfers for the Coast Guard escort to keep up with but
they tried.
Best regards,
Ray
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Mike Savad
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what i keep wondering - what about steel toe shoes - or high heels? those
things are lethal weapons by themselves.
Michael Reynolds
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Tim Rubacky
cruise ships have been sailing out of NYC unescorted all summer, I've seen
many a small craft and jet skis get within yards of cruise ships here.
--Tim
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Kevin and Sue Mullen
When you sailed out of NY, did you have a NYPD helicopter flying with
you, as we had on our 6/9 sailing?
Sue
Benjamin Smith
Kevin and Sue Mullen wrote:
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> Tim,
>
> When you sailed out of NY, did you have a NYPD helicopter flying with
> you, as we had on our 6/9 sailing?
>
This is anecdotal.
NYC seems lax. I work in Hoboken right by the Hudson river. Plenty of
times I've seen ships have come up and down the river and all sorts of
craft can come within yards of the cruise ships as Tim states. Also,
I've seen so many jet aircraft fly close to the Empire State building
and aircraft fly almost directly over the Statue of Liberty at low
altitudes that my heart started racing in fright of what could happen. I
don't feel a huge sense of security in NYC at all.
Ben S.
JLP20
Police chased off a couple of small craft that got within 100 yards. It
appeared to be a safety matter rather than security...
Divrdan007
>From: jl...@aol.comnocrap (JLP20)
>Last Saturday, watched the Star Princess leave out of Los Angeles. The Harbor
>Police chased off a couple of small craft that got within 100 yards. It
>appeared to be a safety matter rather than security...
As we sailed out of Miami in early Sept on the NCL Sun, a small "Ultra-light"
type airplane was "buzzing" the ship. The pilot was just showing off, doing
stalls, hard dives, and at one point.... killed his engine, took a steep dive,
re-started his engine and climed out of the dive.
All of this took place within 100 ft of the ship.... way too close for comfort.
The sailors aboard the Coast Guard Cutter that was escorting the ship
were starting to get nervous, and were trying to wave the pilot off, but were
ignored.
Mind you... This plane was equipped with pontons for water landings. Those
pontoons were large enough to be some pretty powerful bombs.
Needless to say.... I was glad to see this guy get bored with his little
"show" and fly away.
Dan <---Likes air shows.... just not so close to my ship.
Jeff Coudriet
hot dogs a lesson they won't soon forget!
Jeff
David J. Ervin
We left Galveston on Carnival's Jubilee on Sept 26 and had a Coast Guard
escort of two ships and a helicopter at least out of the harbor area. I
quit watching after that.
David
Divrdan007
>From: "David J. Ervin"
>Most ultralights can barely carry the pilot and fuel, much less a bomb.
True enough but.....
I should have given a better description of the plane.
This was a two-seater, rigid frame, with enough power on-hand to climb out of
that dive at an almost vertical angle. Adding some black-powder, or "Plastique"
to those pontoons would have not burdened this thing to the point of her not
being able to fly.
The Coast Guard guys were getting seriously nervous. They were responsible for
a ship, carrying 2000 passengers, and almost 1000 crew.
Now they have a small aircraft doing silly stunts right next to the ship....
I do not think they were doing any "Math" to calcuate the load brearing
capabilities of this aircraft. BUT they could easily see two things hanging
from the bottom of the plane.... about the size of torpedos.
Watching them violently waving this thing away.... and being completely
ignored, made me a little nervous as well.
pen...@spamcop.net
Pontoon-sized Bombs = heavy
ultra light = lack of ability to carry heavy things
LIkelihood of ultra-light attack bomber = .000001 per cent chance :)
Greater risk of bungee jumper from bridge landing on deck, tossing
grenade and bouncing back to waiting escape spaceship.
Kamikazes rarely perform aerobatics to attract attention, they figure
blowing up self and aircraft and ship draw plenty attention on own.
Jim P.
pen...@spamcop.net
Regular torpedo weighs something on the order of one ton and is close
to 20 feet long...seems unlikely ultra-light carrying two of them,
Hard for even WW2 heavy fighter with 1200 HP engine to carry one, let
alone two.
I don't know of any torpedo that weighs less than say 500 pounds.
Also, most torpedoes have propellor or two on one end so they go
someplace when dropped in water. Not to mention steering fins or
something similar. Rare for pontoons on airplane to have propellors,
let alone dive planes and steering fins, thus would likely be noticed
by highly-trained professionals watching from guard ship.
See also prior remarks about lack of air-show stunts being performed
by kamikazes..person engaged in alfresco killing of others rarely
eager to draw attention of armed protectors by dancing about and
yelling "Nanny nanny, boo boo!"
Divrdan007
>From: pen...@spamcop.net
>Regular torpedo weighs something on the order of one ton and is close
>to 20 feet long...seems unlikely ultra-light carrying two of them,
>Hard for even WW2 heavy fighter with 1200 HP engine to carry one, let
>alone two.
You even quoted me... what part of "about the size" of torpedos didn't you get?
SEE:
> BUT they could easily see two things hanging
>>from the bottom of the plane.... about the size of torpedos.
>Pontoon-sized Bombs = heavy
pontoons filled with plastic explosives = light
>
>ultra light = lack of ability to carry heavy things
see above
>LIkelihood of ultra-light attack bomber = .000001 per cent chance :)
Likelyhood of passenger airliner crashing into NYC scyscraper... you do the
math... I'm tired.
>Greater risk of bungee jumper from bridge landing on deck, tossing
>grenade and bouncing back to waiting escape spaceship.
Or greater risk of your drooling on self at the dinner table.
>Kamikazes rarely perform aerobatics to attract attention, they figure
>blowing up self and aircraft and ship draw plenty attention on own.
>
>Jim P.
How in God's name do you know what they "figure"?
This plane flew in a direct intercept course with our ship from about 1/2 mile
away.... Got directly NEXT to our ship... and started flying erratically.
To be completely honest... the whole thing probably wouldn't have bothered me
at all, until I saw our Coast Guard escorts become a little more than nervous.