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Fly Guy
Oct 9, 2012, 9:34:02 AM10/9/12
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Note how I corrected the title of this news article. The as-published
title was:
Scammers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Airport Lines Legally
Of course they aren't scammers. I applaud their actions. I might try
it myself the next time this economy recovers and the concept of
"business travel" returns.
Get a load of the name of the author of this story. FEARNOW.
I think this guy was on to something way earlier. He had the right
idea:
http://i.thestar.com/images/03/c7/da502eb04aa1a5a656327299ebc9.jpeg
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http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/10/08/scammers-using-wheelchairs-to-skip-airport-lines-legally/
Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
By Benjamin Fearnow
October 8, 2012 4:38 AM
HOUSTON (CBS HOUSTON) � A wheelchair request can put you at the front of
a long airport line.
Or, at least, that�s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers � who need not
show any proof of disability � free of charge.
And this isn�t news to airport staffers.
�When travelers see that the line is so long, they just ask for a
wheelchair,� Evelyn Danquah, an attendant for Delta Air Lines, told the
Times. She said she has seen some wheelchair fakers stand and walk away
as soon as they clear security. Wheelchair attendants � whose salaries
range between $9 and $14 an hour, with tips, help to maintain a �don�t
ask, don�t tell� policy regarding the line-hopping strategy in hopes of
bolstering their paychecks, the Times reported.
The tactic even spawned a new term among flight attendants: �miracle
flights.� Where passengers use wheelchairs to board but abandon them
when their planes land.
Kelly Skyles, the national safety and security coordinator for the
Association of Professional Flight Attendants, told the Times she
believes travelers shed their wheelchairs because passengers in
wheelchairs are the last to leave the plane.
�Not only do we serve them beverages and ensure their safety � now we�re
healing the sick,� said Skyles, who is also a flight attendant.
Peter Greenberg, author and travel editor for CBS News, said he has
noticed miracle flights on the rise as security has increased in rigor.
He told the Times the scammers will eventually face unpleasant
consequences � even if it�s on a higher level.
�I�m a big believer in karma,� he said. �You don�t put on a dress when
the Titanic is going down so you can get in the first lifeboat.�
=============
Now can someone explain the following item - why it was included in this
story?
=============
Karma wasn�t kind to one wheelchair faker in the past. The Telegraph
reported in late August that Barry Brooks, who had pretended to be
disabled in order to secure nearly $2.9 million in grants � which he
then used to buy luxury cars, motorcycles and a penthouse in Spain � was
sentenced to eight years in prison.
It�s unclear whether deceitful passengers will suffer any penalties in
the future. Jean Medina, spokesperson for industry trade organization
Airlines for America, wrote in an email to the Times that her
organization hopes travelers would refrain from abusing the law.
�We respect our passengers, and we trust their integrity when they seek
wheelchair assistance,� Medina said in the email.
Bill
Oct 9, 2012, 11:20:37 AM10/9/12
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 09:34:02 -0400, Fly Guy <F...@Guy.com> wrote:
>
>Note how I corrected the title of this news article. The as-published
>title was:
>
> Scammers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Airport Lines Legally
>
>Of course they aren't scammers. I applaud their actions. I might try
>it myself the next time this economy recovers and the concept of
>"business travel" returns.
>
>Get a load of the name of the author of this story. FEARNOW.
>
>I think this guy was on to something way earlier. He had the right
>idea:
>
>http://i.thestar.com/images/03/c7/da502eb04aa1a5a656327299ebc9.jpeg
>
>=====================================
>
>http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/10/08/scammers-using-wheelchairs-to-skip-airport-lines-legally/
>
>Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
>By Benjamin Fearnow
>October 8, 2012 4:38 AM
>
>HOUSTON (CBS HOUSTON) – A wheelchair request can put you at the front of
>a long airport line.
>
>Or, at least, that’s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
>cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
>York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
>airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers — who need not
>show any proof of disability — free of charge.
>
As my wife is disabled we need to use the wheelchair service at
>
>Note how I corrected the title of this news article. The as-published
>title was:
>
> Scammers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Airport Lines Legally
>
>Of course they aren't scammers. I applaud their actions. I might try
>it myself the next time this economy recovers and the concept of
>"business travel" returns.
>
>Get a load of the name of the author of this story. FEARNOW.
>
>I think this guy was on to something way earlier. He had the right
>idea:
>
>http://i.thestar.com/images/03/c7/da502eb04aa1a5a656327299ebc9.jpeg
>
>=====================================
>
>http://houston.cbslocal.com/2012/10/08/scammers-using-wheelchairs-to-skip-airport-lines-legally/
>
>Clever Frequent Fliers Using Wheelchairs To Skip Security Lines Legally
>By Benjamin Fearnow
>October 8, 2012 4:38 AM
>
>HOUSTON (CBS HOUSTON) – A wheelchair request can put you at the front of
>a long airport line.
>
>Or, at least, that’s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
>cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
>York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
>airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers — who need not
>show any proof of disability — free of charge.
>
airports.
You need to book in advance and, certainly in Europe, they sometimes
demand proof of entitlement.
In the Far East it is a lot less easy...
DevilsPGD
Oct 10, 2012, 7:47:04 PM10/10/12
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In the last episode of <507427CA...@Guy.com>, Fly Guy
line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
everyone else, and get screened in order.
--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
<F...@Guy.com> said:
>Or, at least, that�s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
>cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
>York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
>airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers � who need not
>show any proof of disability � free of charge.
The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
>Or, at least, that�s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
>cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
>York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
>airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers � who need not
>show any proof of disability � free of charge.
line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
everyone else, and get screened in order.
--
The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own.
Bill
Oct 10, 2012, 8:34:54 PM10/10/12
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:47:04 -0700, DevilsPGD
<booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In the last episode of <507427CA...@Guy.com>, Fly Guy
><F...@Guy.com> said:
>
>>Or, at least, that�s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
>>cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
>>York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
>>airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers � who need not
>>show any proof of disability � free of charge.
>
>The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
>line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
>everyone else, and get screened in order.
Actually there is.
<booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In the last episode of <507427CA...@Guy.com>, Fly Guy
><F...@Guy.com> said:
>
>>Or, at least, that�s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
>>cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
>>York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
>>airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers � who need not
>>show any proof of disability � free of charge.
>
>The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
>line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
>everyone else, and get screened in order.
Wheelchairs need wider aisles and the passengers who need one also
need special facilities if they're to submit to a body search.
DevilsPGD
Oct 10, 2012, 9:26:42 PM10/10/12
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In the last episode of <qv4c7811blua95jee...@4ax.com>,
it can be accommodated. At least in most of the airport lines I've
waited in there is more than enough width to accommodate people with
rollerboards who aren't very good at operating them.
Still, a valid factor.
>and the passengers who need one also
>need special facilities if they're to submit to a body search.
How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as needed.
Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:47:04 -0700, DevilsPGD
><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
>>In the last episode of <507427CA...@Guy.com>, Fly Guy
>><F...@Guy.com> said:
>>
>>>Or, at least, that�s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
>>>cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
>>>York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
>>>airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers � who need not
>>>show any proof of disability � free of charge.
>>
>>The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
>>line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
>>everyone else, and get screened in order.
>
>Actually there is.
>
>Wheelchairs need wider aisles
This might well be a factor, but with the aisles, primarily using ropes,
>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:47:04 -0700, DevilsPGD
><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
>>In the last episode of <507427CA...@Guy.com>, Fly Guy
>><F...@Guy.com> said:
>>
>>>Or, at least, that�s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
>>>cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
>>>York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
>>>airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers � who need not
>>>show any proof of disability � free of charge.
>>
>>The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
>>line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
>>everyone else, and get screened in order.
>
>Actually there is.
>
>Wheelchairs need wider aisles
it can be accommodated. At least in most of the airport lines I've
waited in there is more than enough width to accommodate people with
rollerboards who aren't very good at operating them.
Still, a valid factor.
>and the passengers who need one also
>need special facilities if they're to submit to a body search.
different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as needed.
Fly Guy
Oct 10, 2012, 11:52:18 PM10/10/12
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DevilsPGD wrote:
> How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
> different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as
> needed.
You're forgetting about the people pushing the wheelchairs.
> How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
> different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as
> needed.
You're not going to make them wait in-line with everyone else.
Bill
Oct 11, 2012, 4:17:30 AM10/11/12
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:26:42 -0700, DevilsPGD
scanner if they can't walk...
>
>Still, a valid factor.
>
>>and the passengers who need one also
>>need special facilities if they're to submit to a body search.
>
>How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
>different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as needed.
No.
Wheelchair passengers sometimes need a cubical to be searched in.
There won't be room for one at every security point.
<booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In the last episode of <qv4c7811blua95jee...@4ax.com>,
>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:47:04 -0700, DevilsPGD
>><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In the last episode of <507427CA...@Guy.com>, Fly Guy
>>><F...@Guy.com> said:
>>>
>>>>Or, at least, that�s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
>>>>cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
>>>>York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
>>>>airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers � who need not
>>>>show any proof of disability � free of charge.
>>>
>>>The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
>>>line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
>>>everyone else, and get screened in order.
>>
>>Actually there is.
>>
>>Wheelchairs need wider aisles
>
>This might well be a factor, but with the aisles, primarily using ropes,
>it can be accommodated. At least in most of the airport lines I've
>waited in there is more than enough width to accommodate people with
>rollerboards who aren't very good at operating them.
What there isn't is enough room for someone to be helped through the
>In the last episode of <qv4c7811blua95jee...@4ax.com>,
>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:47:04 -0700, DevilsPGD
>><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In the last episode of <507427CA...@Guy.com>, Fly Guy
>>><F...@Guy.com> said:
>>>
>>>>Or, at least, that�s the angle some fully-abled passengers are using to
>>>>cut through the winding queues at airport security checkpoints, the New
>>>>York Times reported. According to the 1986 Air Carrier Access Act,
>>>>airlines are required to accommodate disabled travelers � who need not
>>>>show any proof of disability � free of charge.
>>>
>>>The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
>>>line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
>>>everyone else, and get screened in order.
>>
>>Actually there is.
>>
>>Wheelchairs need wider aisles
>
>This might well be a factor, but with the aisles, primarily using ropes,
>it can be accommodated. At least in most of the airport lines I've
>waited in there is more than enough width to accommodate people with
>rollerboards who aren't very good at operating them.
scanner if they can't walk...
>
>Still, a valid factor.
>
>>and the passengers who need one also
>>need special facilities if they're to submit to a body search.
>
>How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
>different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as needed.
Wheelchair passengers sometimes need a cubical to be searched in.
There won't be room for one at every security point.
Bill
Oct 11, 2012, 4:18:13 AM10/11/12
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Fly Guy
Oct 11, 2012, 9:07:47 AM10/11/12
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Bill wrote:
> > You're forgetting about the people pushing the wheelchairs.
> >
> > You're not going to make them wait in-line with everyone else.
>
> At airports the wheelchairs are pushed by airport staff.
Exactly.
> > You're forgetting about the people pushing the wheelchairs.
> >
> > You're not going to make them wait in-line with everyone else.
>
> At airports the wheelchairs are pushed by airport staff.
You're not going to tie those people up waiting in the security line -
because you'd need MORE of them if you did that. Not a very efficient
use of those people if they had to wait in the security line instead of
walking right to the front of the line.
Robert Neville
Oct 11, 2012, 10:42:36 AM10/11/12
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DevilsPGD <booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
>line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
>everyone else, and get screened in order.
I agree. It's extremely annoying to work your way up through a long security
>The fix is pretty simple: Stop letting wheelchairs bypass the security
>line. There's little reason that they can't wait in line along with
>everyone else, and get screened in order.
line, dump all your stuff on the belt and just as you are about to walk through
the scanner, have someone in a chair cut in front of the line, take 10 minutes
to get out of the chair, find their bording pass and work their way through.
Bill
Oct 11, 2012, 10:55:52 AM10/11/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:42:36 -0600, Robert Neville <do...@bother.com>
wrote:
I imagine it is, except that isn't how it's done.
There's usually a special wheelchair security point.
You can't get through a normal security point with a wheelchair.
wrote:
There's usually a special wheelchair security point.
You can't get through a normal security point with a wheelchair.
Robert Neville
Oct 11, 2012, 11:14:23 AM10/11/12
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Bill <black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I imagine it is, except that isn't how it's done.
>
>There's usually a special wheelchair security point.
>
>You can't get through a normal security point with a wheelchair.
I imagine it can vary from airport to airport, but I travel a lot and can attest
>I imagine it is, except that isn't how it's done.
>
>There's usually a special wheelchair security point.
>
>You can't get through a normal security point with a wheelchair.
that it does work as I described at a number of airports. It's to the point now
where I won't use certain lanes even if the line is short as inevitably a chair
will show up.
Bill
Oct 11, 2012, 12:18:53 PM10/11/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:14:23 -0600, Robert Neville <do...@bother.com>
wrote:
>Bill <black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I imagine it is, except that isn't how it's done.
>>
>>There's usually a special wheelchair security point.
>>
>>You can't get through a normal security point with a wheelchair.
>
>I imagine it can vary from airport to airport, but I travel a lot and can attest
>that it does work as I described at a number of airports.
I've never seen that.
You can't get some wheelchair passengers through a standard security
gate.
What you do sometimes get is ordinary passengers being passed through
the specially built wheelchair screening units because there are fewer
wheelchair passengers than expected.
If you wish to avoid those then that's your privilege.
wrote:
>Bill <black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I imagine it is, except that isn't how it's done.
>>
>>There's usually a special wheelchair security point.
>>
>>You can't get through a normal security point with a wheelchair.
>
>I imagine it can vary from airport to airport, but I travel a lot and can attest
>that it does work as I described at a number of airports.
You can't get some wheelchair passengers through a standard security
gate.
What you do sometimes get is ordinary passengers being passed through
the specially built wheelchair screening units because there are fewer
wheelchair passengers than expected.
If you wish to avoid those then that's your privilege.
DevilsPGD
Oct 11, 2012, 7:13:17 PM10/11/12
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In the last episode of <d10d78djq3dfc7gje...@4ax.com>,
Right, so they'll be directed to the correct line. That's trivial.
Bill
Oct 11, 2012, 7:30:43 PM10/11/12
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:13:17 -0700, DevilsPGD
<booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In the last episode of <d10d78djq3dfc7gje...@4ax.com>,
>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:26:42 -0700, DevilsPGD
>><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>
>>>How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
>>>different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as needed.
>>
>>No.
>>
>>Wheelchair passengers sometimes need a cubical to be searched in.
>>
>>There won't be room for one at every security point.
>
>Right, so they'll be directed to the correct line. That's trivial.
That's how it's done now.
<booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In the last episode of <d10d78djq3dfc7gje...@4ax.com>,
>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:26:42 -0700, DevilsPGD
>><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>
>>>How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
>>>different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as needed.
>>
>>No.
>>
>>Wheelchair passengers sometimes need a cubical to be searched in.
>>
>>There won't be room for one at every security point.
>
>Right, so they'll be directed to the correct line. That's trivial.
What's your problem with it?
DevilsPGD
Oct 15, 2012, 11:35:37 PM10/15/12
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In the last episode of <ikle7896gcslte5hu...@4ax.com>,
to bypass the line, despite the fact that they didn't need a wheelchair
to get to the airport and otherwise don't use or own/rent/posses a
wheelchair in daily life.
I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me, the
solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so that abusers
have no incentive to abuse the system.
Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:13:17 -0700, DevilsPGD
><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
>>In the last episode of <d10d78djq3dfc7gje...@4ax.com>,
>>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:26:42 -0700, DevilsPGD
>>><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
>>>>different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as needed.
>>>
>>>No.
>>>
>>>Wheelchair passengers sometimes need a cubical to be searched in.
>>>
>>>There won't be room for one at every security point.
>>
>>Right, so they'll be directed to the correct line. That's trivial.
>
>That's how it's done now.
>
>What's your problem with it?
I object to the fact that people can and do pretend to need a wheelchair
>On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:13:17 -0700, DevilsPGD
><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>
>>In the last episode of <d10d78djq3dfc7gje...@4ax.com>,
>>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:26:42 -0700, DevilsPGD
>>><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
>>>>different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as needed.
>>>
>>>No.
>>>
>>>Wheelchair passengers sometimes need a cubical to be searched in.
>>>
>>>There won't be room for one at every security point.
>>
>>Right, so they'll be directed to the correct line. That's trivial.
>
>That's how it's done now.
>
>What's your problem with it?
to bypass the line, despite the fact that they didn't need a wheelchair
to get to the airport and otherwise don't use or own/rent/posses a
wheelchair in daily life.
I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me, the
solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so that abusers
have no incentive to abuse the system.
Bill
Oct 16, 2012, 4:27:44 AM10/16/12
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:35:37 -0700, DevilsPGD
And in the UK and a fair bit of Europe you have to produce
documentation to prove your entitlement.
Fortunately there is a Europe wide disability ID system known as 'The
Blue Badge Scheme'. Many airport and airlines ask to see your 'blue
badge' at check-in to prove your entitlement to a wheelchair...
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/disabledpeople/motoringandtransport/dg_4001061
>I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me, the
>solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so that abusers
>have no incentive to abuse the system.
The problem there is technical.
Wheelchair capable security checking stations are larger and need
special facilities and building those costs money.
As the check-in time is the same for everyone I don't see how
wheelchair users get an advantage.
Or is a couple of extra minutes drinking expensive bad coffee that
important to you?
<booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In the last episode of <ikle7896gcslte5hu...@4ax.com>,
>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:13:17 -0700, DevilsPGD
>><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In the last episode of <d10d78djq3dfc7gje...@4ax.com>,
>>>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:26:42 -0700, DevilsPGD
>>>><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
>>>>>different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as needed.
>>>>
>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>>Wheelchair passengers sometimes need a cubical to be searched in.
>>>>
>>>>There won't be room for one at every security point.
>>>
>>>Right, so they'll be directed to the correct line. That's trivial.
>>
>>That's how it's done now.
>>
>>What's your problem with it?
>
>I object to the fact that people can and do pretend to need a wheelchair
>to bypass the line, despite the fact that they didn't need a wheelchair
>to get to the airport and otherwise don't use or own/rent/posses a
>wheelchair in daily life.
So do I.
>In the last episode of <ikle7896gcslte5hu...@4ax.com>,
>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:13:17 -0700, DevilsPGD
>><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>
>>>In the last episode of <d10d78djq3dfc7gje...@4ax.com>,
>>>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:26:42 -0700, DevilsPGD
>>>><booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>How people are handled once the reach the front of the line is a
>>>>>different situation entirely and can be handled at that time as needed.
>>>>
>>>>No.
>>>>
>>>>Wheelchair passengers sometimes need a cubical to be searched in.
>>>>
>>>>There won't be room for one at every security point.
>>>
>>>Right, so they'll be directed to the correct line. That's trivial.
>>
>>That's how it's done now.
>>
>>What's your problem with it?
>
>I object to the fact that people can and do pretend to need a wheelchair
>to bypass the line, despite the fact that they didn't need a wheelchair
>to get to the airport and otherwise don't use or own/rent/posses a
>wheelchair in daily life.
And in the UK and a fair bit of Europe you have to produce
documentation to prove your entitlement.
Fortunately there is a Europe wide disability ID system known as 'The
Blue Badge Scheme'. Many airport and airlines ask to see your 'blue
badge' at check-in to prove your entitlement to a wheelchair...
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/disabledpeople/motoringandtransport/dg_4001061
>I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me, the
>solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so that abusers
>have no incentive to abuse the system.
Wheelchair capable security checking stations are larger and need
special facilities and building those costs money.
As the check-in time is the same for everyone I don't see how
wheelchair users get an advantage.
Or is a couple of extra minutes drinking expensive bad coffee that
important to you?
Fly Guy
Oct 16, 2012, 10:13:13 AM10/16/12
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DevilsPGD wrote:
> I object to the fact that people can and do pretend to need a
> wheelchair to bypass the line,
>
> I object to the fact that people can and do pretend to need a
> wheelchair to bypass the line,
>
> I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me,
> the solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so
> that abusers have no incentive to abuse the system.
The only abuse in this whole situation is being done to the flying
> the solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so
> that abusers have no incentive to abuse the system.
public by increasingly onerous, maniacal, punative, expensive and
ridiculous screening procedures and carriage rules implimented by the
gov't under the guise of the TSA (Transportation Screwing Agency).
Fly Guy
Oct 16, 2012, 10:16:32 AM10/16/12
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Bill wrote:
> > I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me,
> > the solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so
> > that abusers have no incentive to abuse the system.
>
> The problem there is technical.
No it's not.
> > I also object to people being forced to show a need, so to me,
> > the solution is to remove the benefit (bypassing the line) so
> > that abusers have no incentive to abuse the system.
>
> The problem there is technical.
As I've said before, you can't have the porters that push the
wheelchairs get tied up in the security lines along with the people
they're pushing around. The porters are getting paid by the hour, and
it makes no sense to tie them up in the security lines.
Why do you not acknowledge that?
Bill
Oct 16, 2012, 2:32:28 PM10/16/12
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But another factor is the limited number of security stations that can
handle wheelchair passengers.
Airports are just not designed to make things 'fair' for travelers.
But life isn't designed to make things fair either.
Live with it...
Bill
Oct 16, 2012, 2:33:09 PM10/16/12
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earth.
DevilsPGD
Oct 18, 2012, 3:04:40 PM10/18/12
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In the last episode of <507D6C40...@Guy.com>, Fly Guy
As a rule, I'd suggest the wheelchair user have their usual porter push
them through the airport, and that the airport be prepared to issue
passes through security for this purpose.
them through the airport, and that the airport be prepared to issue
passes through security for this purpose.
DevilsPGD
Oct 18, 2012, 3:04:40 PM10/18/12
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In the last episode of <92ar78181724a2b12...@4ax.com>,
Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>Similar security procedures exist in just about every country on
>earth.
That makes it worse, not better.
>Similar security procedures exist in just about every country on
>earth.
Bill
Oct 18, 2012, 5:31:08 PM10/18/12
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When we fly I have to carry my carry-on, her carry-on and any duty
free goods we might buy, if we can actually buy any because it is
often a problem to get a porter to take us through security before
the flight is called...
Before check-in, when we have the hold luggage with us, we have to
sit in the taxi until I can get a chair and a porter to push it to
get us inside while I manage the hold baggage for us both as well as
anything else.
Stop telling me what an easy ride I'm getting...
Bill
Oct 18, 2012, 5:31:40 PM10/18/12
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>In the last episode of <92ar78181724a2b12...@4ax.com>,
>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>Similar security procedures exist in just about every country on
>>earth.
>
>That makes it worse, not better.
OK, use a wheelchair and find out just how horrible the experience
>Bill <black...@gmail.com> said:
>
>>Similar security procedures exist in just about every country on
>>earth.
>
>That makes it worse, not better.
is.
Tom P
Oct 24, 2012, 6:42:18 PM10/24/12
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line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must
really upset your moral principles.
DevilsPGD
Oct 26, 2012, 4:07:34 PM10/26/12
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In the last episode of <aer96b...@mid.individual.net>, Tom P
else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.
<wero...@freent.dd> said:
> I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security
>line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must
>really upset your moral principles.
Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
> I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security
>line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must
>really upset your moral principles.
else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.
Bill
Oct 26, 2012, 5:11:56 PM10/26/12
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:07:34 -0700, DevilsPGD
<booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In the last episode of <aer96b...@mid.individual.net>, Tom P
><wero...@freent.dd> said:
>
>> I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security
>>line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must
>>really upset your moral principles.
>
>Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
>else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.
So short of the idiocies described earlier, what's the solution?
<booga...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
>In the last episode of <aer96b...@mid.individual.net>, Tom P
><wero...@freent.dd> said:
>
>> I let someone in a hurry to catch his plane get through the security
>>line in front of me just today. He gave me a big thanks. That must
>>really upset your moral principles.
>
>Decency is different from intentional abuse. You did good for someone
>else, rather than someone taking what they didn't deserve.
An obvious one is to make all security check-points capable of
checking all passengers, but cost and space requirements rules that
out.
Airports don't have to room for a cubical at every screening point,
never mind the money for the staff to man the special facilities
disabled people need.
There is a Europe (well, EC) wide system for assigning privileges to
people with mobility issues, but from the sound of things this
doesn't extend to the USA, never mind the rest of the world...
DevilsPGD
Oct 26, 2012, 7:33:15 PM10/26/12
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In the last episode of <hsul88hdkvb8npj1v...@4ax.com>,
Possessing a handicap sticker or other formal documentation, or having a
doctor's note would be a good start. At least in Canada and the US, the
bar to get a handicap parking sticker should be low enough that most
qualifying individuals have one even if they don't drive, and would
absolve one of the risk of fines.
Failing that, you could also require a declaration to be signed that
indicates that, in order to be treated as handicapped and provided with
a wheelchair at the airport, the traveler must also own or rent a
wheelchair, walker or other mobility device of their own, for use in
their day to day lives, and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000
fine for misuse of the system, especially focusing on investigating
individuals who's mobility needs change over the course of the flight;
the so called "miracle flights" where "passengers use wheelchairs to
board but abandon them when their planes land"
doctor's note would be a good start. At least in Canada and the US, the
bar to get a handicap parking sticker should be low enough that most
qualifying individuals have one even if they don't drive, and would
absolve one of the risk of fines.
Failing that, you could also require a declaration to be signed that
indicates that, in order to be treated as handicapped and provided with
a wheelchair at the airport, the traveler must also own or rent a
wheelchair, walker or other mobility device of their own, for use in
their day to day lives, and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000
fine for misuse of the system, especially focusing on investigating
individuals who's mobility needs change over the course of the flight;
the so called "miracle flights" where "passengers use wheelchairs to
board but abandon them when their planes land"
Fly Guy
Oct 26, 2012, 7:54:49 PM10/26/12
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DevilsPGD wrote:
> the traveler must also own or rent a wheelchair, walker or other
> mobility device of their own, for use in their day to day lives,
> and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000 fine for misuse
> of the system
No.
> the traveler must also own or rent a wheelchair, walker or other
> mobility device of their own, for use in their day to day lives,
> and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000 fine for misuse
> of the system
Throw the people in jail who are responsible for the current violation
of civil and property rights that take place as part of airport
screening.
Throw them, and the politicians who enabled them to construct and
impliment the current systems in jail, and fine them $10k to boot.
Stop bleeting like fucking sheeple and take back our freedoms and
liberties from these security fascists.
Tom P
Oct 27, 2012, 3:47:41 AM10/27/12
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He's not disabled and does not possess a wheelchair, but he cannot be
expected to stand in line for hours on end, and needs to sit down somewhere.
S Viemeister
Oct 27, 2012, 8:00:23 AM10/27/12
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On 10/27/2012 3:47 AM, Tom P wrote:
>
> On a couple of occasions I've booked a wheelchair for my aged father.
> He's not disabled and does not possess a wheelchair, but he cannot be
> expected to stand in line for hours on end, and needs to sit down
> somewhere.
I've done the same for my mother. Lots of walking and hours of standing
>
> On a couple of occasions I've booked a wheelchair for my aged father.
> He's not disabled and does not possess a wheelchair, but he cannot be
> expected to stand in line for hours on end, and needs to sit down
> somewhere.
would have been far too much for her.
Bill
Oct 27, 2012, 1:15:54 PM10/27/12
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On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 16:33:15 -0700, DevilsPGD
But you need a common standard and a common set of rules and a uniform
documentation system of you'd have people more or less buying them
from their doctors.
Can you say 'Socialised medical system'?
In the UK a 'blue badge' can be sold illegally for as much as £1,000
($1,600) in some places.
>Failing that, you could also require a declaration to be signed that
>indicates that, in order to be treated as handicapped and provided with
>a wheelchair at the airport, the traveler must also own or rent a
>wheelchair, walker or other mobility device of their own, for use in
>their day to day lives, and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000
>fine for misuse of the system, especially focusing on investigating
>individuals who's mobility needs change over the course of the flight;
>the so called "miracle flights" where "passengers use wheelchairs to
>board but abandon them when their planes land"
Why?
Some people just aren't fit enough to traverse modern airports under
their own power.
My elderly mother couldn't but she doesn't use a wheelchair in her
normal life, just a walking stick.
She could get a 'doctor's note' for about £20, but why should she?
She's pretty obviously not capable of traversing an airport under her
own steam.
documentation system of you'd have people more or less buying them
from their doctors.
Can you say 'Socialised medical system'?
In the UK a 'blue badge' can be sold illegally for as much as £1,000
($1,600) in some places.
>Failing that, you could also require a declaration to be signed that
>indicates that, in order to be treated as handicapped and provided with
>a wheelchair at the airport, the traveler must also own or rent a
>wheelchair, walker or other mobility device of their own, for use in
>their day to day lives, and regularly use it. Then throw in a $10,000
>fine for misuse of the system, especially focusing on investigating
>individuals who's mobility needs change over the course of the flight;
>the so called "miracle flights" where "passengers use wheelchairs to
>board but abandon them when their planes land"
Some people just aren't fit enough to traverse modern airports under
their own power.
My elderly mother couldn't but she doesn't use a wheelchair in her
normal life, just a walking stick.
She could get a 'doctor's note' for about £20, but why should she?
She's pretty obviously not capable of traversing an airport under her
own steam.
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