Places where you will see nothing - JFK, LGA.
Brian
However, our local Airport at Changi is horrible for this. The viewing
mall in Terminal 1 only has limited view onto one runway, (and almost
no view on the other/taxiing and holding areads), while the VM in
Terminal 2 looks straight out onto the other runway, but the view is
hindered by the 2 'fingers' of concourses E and F(?), so that one
never really sees a takeoff/touchdown, these taking place along the
stretches obscured by these fingers :-(
A shame really, as watching traffic at the airport is a nice outing
for the kids, and Singapore does not offer much variety for them
in the first place.
So while there is little likelyhood that we could just take a trip to
any other worthwhile airport, I would still be interested in which
airports others think have great (or BAD!) viewing areas and why.
I myself can say that I used to enjoy HAM in my own youth, but do not
really know if it has not changed in the meantime.
FRA also has quite an OK viewing mall, but I seem to remember that
the real action is somewhat far away.
BRU had a good view from the cafeteria upstairs..
rgds
Dash7 wrote:
> Mathias Körber wrote in message
> <165f0t8g5a0ngoc8o...@4ax.com>...
> >Since my son was born, I have gotten a bit more interested again in
> >watching traffic at airports (good outing for kids!).
> >
> >
> >So while there is little likelyhood that we could just take a trip to
> >any other worthwhile airport, I would still be interested in which
> >airports others think have great (or BAD!) viewing areas and why.
> >
> So while there is little likelyhood that we could just take a trip to
> any other worthwhile airport, I would still be interested in which
> airports others think have great (or BAD!) viewing areas and why.
>
Zurich has a pretty good facility for viewing. You have to pay CHF2-
plus 1 franc for the locker, and then you go out onto a huge rooftop
area. You can see quite a number of the gates from there, and you can
also get quite close to some of the larger planes. There is a snack
bar/canteen up there as well... but it is sometimes used for private
functions. I think they use a variety of runways, so you can see quite
things from several angles.
Heathrow T2 is OK, but it's not as close. It's also more crowded.
Then there is the golf course next to the runway at BKK... must be good
viewing from there.
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Before you buy.
Especially when Qantas lands there and the plane decides it prefers the golf
course to the terminal...
Sydney used to have a nice outdoor deck at the north-east end of the terminal.
But I beleive its gone with all the work that was done in past years.
As mentioned by others, the viewing platform on top of Termnial 2 at LHR
is a good place, though a bit distant from the runways. There is even
an aviation bookstore and canteen selling food(?).
At [Reagan} Washington National Airport DCA there is closeup viewing
from the parking area at Gravelly Point just north of the field. It's
about 300 m from the end of the main runway and inline with it, so
planes are very low when they approach from the north. Parking is often
extremely full on weekends, but easy at other times. Entry is ONLY from
the Geo Washington Parkway **northbound**. The new main terminal at DCA
is mostly glass, but I haven't found a place with an unobstructed view.
OTOH, you are about 15 m from the wingtip of the planes at gates nearest
the main hall. The old main terminal A also has a large glass wall
overlooking the field and chairs, and usually absolutely no one there.
At BWI there is a little upstair viewing area with a reasonable view.
I've heard that one doesn't see much from the official off-airport
viewing area with parking.
I once had a few hours to kill at MIA, and asked if there was a viewing
area. They told me that one could get out on the roof of the airport
hotel, which I did. Not an unobstructed view, but.... I'm SURE it must
be closed and lock by now as a security measure. No one else was there.
Bob C.
I haven't tried it for some time, but as recently as 2 years ago you
could visit an observation deck located in the control tower one story
below the actual controllers. The tower is located between terminals
B&C and there is a walkway to it from either terminal, or from the
Central Parking structure. Take the elevator up to the Observation
deck - sometimes it's open, sometimes it's not. There are no services
up there - it's just an empty room, but it does offer a gorgeous view
of the entire airport, Boston Harbor and the Boston skyline to the
west.
<snip>
[ So while there is little likelyhood that we could just take a trip to
[ any other worthwhile airport, I would still be interested in which
[ airports others think have great (or BAD!) viewing areas and why.
DCA has a small area near Terminal A (Northwest). It's in the hallway
connecting the old and new terminals.
A small alcove with about 20 seats looks out a glassed wall south onto the
tarmac. Great view of the touchdown point of runway 010 when the Mt Vernon
approach is active.
Also a good view of TWA's gate(s) in the Northwest terminal. Usually can spot
a TW757 and a Trans State Jetstream 41 (whoopee!)
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Actually that area is south of the original terminal which has the huge
glass wall. That area was built by American Airlines for a checkin and
baggage hall probably 2.5 decades after the original main terminal.
They used it for quite a few years. The associated boarding finger was
torn down within the past year. IIRC, the ground floor of that finger
(built much earlier) served the Eastern Shuttle in its earlier days.
Bob C.
R J Carpenter wrote:
> Mathias Körber wrote:
> >
> > Since my son was born, I have gotten a bit more interested again in
> > watching traffic at airports (good outing for kids!).
>
[ Cortical Abortical wrote:
[ >
[ > Mathias Körber (mat...@koerber.org) poot forth:
[ >
[ > <snip>
[ >
[ > [ So while there is little likelyhood that we could just take a trip to
[ > [ any other worthwhile airport, I would still be interested in which
[ > [ airports others think have great (or BAD!) viewing areas and why.
[ >
[ > DCA has a small area near Terminal A (Northwest). It's in the hallway
[ > connecting the old and new terminals.
[ >
[ > A small alcove with about 20 seats looks out a glassed wall south onto the
[ > tarmac. Great view of the touchdown point of runway 010 when the Mt Vernon
[ > approach is active.
[
[ Actually that area is south of the original terminal which has the huge
[ glass wall. That area was built by American Airlines for a checkin and
[ baggage hall probably 2.5 decades after the original main terminal.
[ They used it for quite a few years. The associated boarding finger was
[ torn down within the past year. IIRC, the ground floor of that finger
[ (built much earlier) served the Eastern Shuttle in its earlier days.
You're right. I can remember when terminal A was brand new. American was the
first occupant IIRC.
Before that even, I used to fly out of DCA to CVG on AA Lockheed Electras
(when I was a kid!!) It's such a shock to walk through the old, deserted
terminal now and hear the echo of your footsteps.
A great place to watch aircraft land is in San Diego... flights come in
very low over the hill at the end of the runway and sort of wobble
down. (Or perhaps that was my vision of what was happening - there's a
great bar with an outside terrace just beyond the airport fence and
almost directly under the approach).
Another place to watch planes land holding your breath is at Mexico
City on Hangares Boulevard (the airport is virtually in the midddle of
town) there are even special seating areas along the road for plane
spotters.
I used to like the older smaller airports with smart restaurants and
terraces overlooking the aircraft - Teheran and Valencia spring to
mind, and I actually once saw the Beatles quite clearly from the
terminal as they stood in the doorway of their plane in Beirut. (What
joy !) They were on their way to Australia.
Best regards
Alan
I've heard that LAS is also good.
[about BOS]
> I haven't tried it for some time, but as recently as 2 years ago you
> could visit an observation deck located in the control tower one story
> below the actual controllers.
Closed, presumably to be turned into Massport hack offices. Their
stated reason was the usual catch-all "security" excuse; TW800 provided
the timing. I suppose it's still closed to protect the tower from
sparking inside an underfilled fuel tank.
The observation deck used to be a full floor and there was another full
floor cocktail lounge; they closed the obs deck, eventually chopping a
bit off one end of the cocktail bar to bring it back. Then the cocktail
lounge closed, and after that they closed the observation deck too.
Me, I think they should have charged a minor admission fee and brought
back the long-gone snack bar. But what do I know? (I know better than
to go on a "booze cruise" and get caught by reporters, I guess :-)
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FWIW, PDX has a parking area near the west end of the runway.
"Mathias Körber" <mat...@koerber.org> wrote in message
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And before the AA extension was built and the TWA/NWA banjo terminal was
built even farther south, I remember arriving on summer evenings from
Denver on the UA DC-6 (intermeditate stop Kansas City). As one stepped
out of the cabin onto the stairs, Washington's summer humidity really
hit. That was before the days of jetways [or jets, for that matter].
Bob C.
Unfortunatly, that site is somewhat out of date since it doesn't seem t
reflect the recent construction at SYD.
After Dorval's first update (it has had 3 so far in the last decade), there
was a food mall on the second floor, with large windows overlooking the apron
and runway 28. Great views.
Alas, when Air Canada forced the closure of Mirabel, ADM had to close that
area to the public because it needed some space for some lounges for the
airlines that were forced to move to Dorval.
The outdoor observation deck on the main floor is still there, but doors
always locked. However, it faces an area where there isn't much activity,
except when the KLM plane taxies to depart on 6R/24L.
danny.
"R J Carpenter" <rca...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3A0827...@erols.com...
> Mathias Körber wrote:
> >
> > Since my son was born, I have gotten a bit more interested again in
> > watching traffic at airports (good outing for kids!).
>
> SFO is good if they are using Runways 1. You can get a good dose of jet
> blast from the "heavies."
> I've heard that LAS is also good.
LAS is VERY good. The settee area is on Sunset Rd, parallel to
25L/R-7R/L. On normal days (normal weather pattern here is
south/southwest/west winds) most major craft will use these runways for
arrivals/departures. there's only a fence separating you from the
runway, so you're right up to them. Plus, they broadcast ATC of the
airport there (88.5FM, I believe), so you can hear everything. Nowadays
(in the fall/winter, winds are out of the northwest/north/northeast),
craft will use 1L/R for arrivals/departures, and (if the winds are
anywhere near the east) 7L for departures. then, the settee area won't
do you any good. Plus, Those runways use FM118.75 for ATC, so you'd need
to have a scanner. So if you go to planespot at LAS, check your winds.
they could save you a trip down there.
PHL is also another good place to go. You may have to go a fair
bit to get to it, but you can actually park right next or near the Tower
to planespot. No broadcasting of ATC, so you'd need a scanner. But, you
can easily get out of your car and wave up to the guys up there. more
often than not, they'll wave back :)
BL.
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> I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned NRT. There's a huge viewing deck
> with picnic tables above the food court. Presumably, you could watch the
> air traffic while having lunch. But be sure to change your money into yen,
> because the restaurants in the food court only accept Japanese currency.
> FWIW, PDX has a parking area near the west end of the runway.
forgot to mention one more. SYD. I've seen people actually
fishing in the waters adjacent to 34L there.
http://www.acay.com.au/~willt/yssy/enthus/welcome.html has a list of the
places there to planespot, as well as a picture of soemone fishing at
the place I mentioned. Really good place to planespot.
When I was at Bush Intercontinental in Houston (KIAH) not so long ago I was
delayed for a few hours and went to the carpark rooftop of the United
Terminal and got a good view of most of the runways, saw lots of Continental
a/c.
Kent
The beach in question, which they were reinstalling last January after a
hurricane, is RIGHT at the approach end of the main airport on the
island of St Maarten. There's just a road and a fence between the beach
and the runway, and the planes are only a couple of hundred feet from
the fence when they get into position to depart. A number of 747s
arrive each day as well as smaller stuff. A lot of smaller stuff, since
Winair's Twin Otters each have about a dozen arrivals per day. - their
flights are short. Any postcard seller on the island has cards with a
747 right over the beach - your choice of airlines, KLM, Air France,
etc.
Bob C.
Baltimore-Washington (BWI) actually has two observation areas. There's the
tarmac observation area inside the main terminal, and they also have a
designated viewing area off Dorsey road located close -- almost too close -
- to a runway approach (north-south, I think).
Oklahoma City (OKC) has an observation area located in what I think used to
be a ground control post. This one's unique in that they pipe in the
current ATC transmissions.
JFK has long managed to block most runway views (even the old Pan Am
rooftop parking has impenetrable walls), but some of the newer terminals
now being built might change this.
New York's LaGuardia (LGA) actually used to have a restaurant as part of
its observation deck on the main terminal's 4th floor. They closed it down
for the central area reconstruction project, but is there any chance they
might be re-opening it now that the atrium project is finished? Of course,
I can't remember the last time that terminal was NOT under construction in
one way or another.
Mikey
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alan...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> I used to like the older smaller airports with smart restaurants and
> terraces overlooking the aircraft - Teheran [snip]
The roof in Tehran's airport terminal, which contained these restaurants
and terraces, collapsed in the early 1970s due to a heavy snow term.
Unfortunately what remained of the terminal was tore down and it was
never re-built.
A couple of other places that haven't been mentioned yet: RDU has a
dedicated spotting area, complete with ATC feed and identification guides.
AMS has an open-air observation deck. SEA has a spotting place across the
field from the terminal that I understand might be closed now due to runway
construction. And my own humble HEL has a great place if you have the
cojones, but it is of questionable legality and I don't to be responsible
for getting anyone into the pokey. Unfortunately, all of these except AMS
require that the would-be spotter actually leave the terminal area, so they
wouldn't be useful during casual connections.
Herbie J.
Unapologetic spotter
> >
> Cleveland is the best, a throwback to the 70s.
Agreed with Cleveland. They have a great outdoor view area at the end of
one of the concourses. Great view of the runway, taxiways and the planes
parked at the terminal. The deck is right over some gates, so you can
just about spit on the planes.
--
Pete Babic
CWRU
Does Cleveland have any real, big planes, or just a huge litter of baby
skidoos playing around on the field ?
My image of cleveland (never been there) is of an airport full of baby flying
skidoos and perhaps a couple of delta flights to atlanta.
I should hope so, it's a Continental hub. They have a Continental
commuter terminal that's mostly Jungle Jets, B-1900s and Embrear props,
but they also have European flights, Air Canada, Delta, US Air, United,
Southwest, and Northwest. In short, it's a major airport.
I suppose I should list all the airlines that serve the airport, in case
someone chases me on it. The others are American, America West, Comair,
Midwest Express, Skyway, and TWA.
JF Mezei wrote:
> Pete Babic wrote:
> > Agreed with Cleveland. They have a great outdoor view area at the end of
> > one of the concourses. Great view of the runway, taxiways and the planes
> > parked at the terminal. The deck is right over some gates, so you can
> > just about spit on the planes.
>
> Does Cleveland have any real, big planes, or just a huge litter of baby
> skidoos playing around on the field ?
>
> My image of cleveland (never been there) is of an airport full of baby flying
> skidoos and perhaps a couple of delta flights to atlanta.
Cleveland had some very good flight loads for us. From what I understand many
connecting pax went directly on AC to Tal Aviv. We now have a very small presence
there with 1 or 2 flights. AC took over but I don't know what equipment is being
used.
> Cleveland had some very good flight loads for us. From what I understand many
> connecting pax went directly on AC to Tal Aviv. We now have a very small presence
> there with 1 or 2 flights. AC took over but I don't know what equipment is being
> used.
Believe it or not, AC has 8 flights M-F and 1 or 2 less on Sat or Sun. All AC
flights are YYZ-CLE on a 50 seat CRJ.
h lem wrote:
> Believe it or not, AC has 8 flights M-F and 1 or 2 less on Sat or Sun. All AC
> flights are YYZ-CLE on a 50 seat CRJ.
I would have thought a 319 but maybe we used to put a 300 on that one ourselves.
SEA Viewpoint Park closes Dec. 31st
http://www.portseattle.org/seatac/projects/3runway.htm
Pity, it was a pleasant place. Wonder if there's going to be a "spotter"
farewell party.
Brian
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"Mathias Körber" <mat...@koerber.org> wrote in message
news:165f0t8g5a0ngoc8o...@4ax.com...
> Since my son was born, I have gotten a bit more interested again in
> watching traffic at airports (good outing for kids!).
>
> However, our local Airport at Changi is horrible for this. The viewing
> mall in Terminal 1 only has limited view onto one runway, (and almost
> no view on the other/taxiing and holding areads), while the VM in
> Terminal 2 looks straight out onto the other runway, but the view is
> hindered by the 2 'fingers' of concourses E and F(?), so that one
> never really sees a takeoff/touchdown, these taking place along the
> stretches obscured by these fingers :-(
>
> A shame really, as watching traffic at the airport is a nice outing
> for the kids, and Singapore does not offer much variety for them
> in the first place.
>
> So while there is little likelyhood that we could just take a trip to
> any other worthwhile airport, I would still be interested in which
> airports others think have great (or BAD!) viewing areas and why.
>
> I myself can say that I used to enjoy HAM in my own youth, but do not
> really know if it has not changed in the meantime.
> FRA also has quite an OK viewing mall, but I seem to remember that
> the real action is somewhat far away.
> BRU had a good view from the cafeteria upstairs..
>
> rgds
>