anyone got a picture of the red castle?

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Jonathan Wilson

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Aug 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/22/99
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i have recieved information that there existed a red walled lego castle. does anyone have a picture
of it? it is really old and pre-dates the yellow castle.

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Brian

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Aug 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/22/99
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In article <37BF4727...@xoommail.com>, Jonathan Wilson
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actually - i believe that was a universal type of building set in which
their was a red walled castle displayed on the box and/or instructions?
from my memory that is what i remember from seeing pictures of the box..

someone correct me if i am wrong? but i dont believe it was actually "a
set" per-se rather it was a building set that showed pictures of a red
walled castle :()

Brian
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-we have every castle set from 1978 to present, including all european only
- excluding the canadian minifig pack sealed (anyone have it sealed?)

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John D

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Aug 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/22/99
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Brian wrote in message ...


Actually, Brian, I think he means the Weetabix Castle, which had red
walls and other colors for the rest of the castle. Is that the one you were
asking about Jonathan? I think it was a set of its own, although it had
very limited distribution (UK only?). It was before 1978, either late 60s
or early 70s. You might also be interested to see another very old Castle.
There is a little confusion among us collectors about whether this is a set
or only an idea. Go to my webpage:
http://www114.pair.com/ig88/
and click on the history link. From there click on the 60s Idea Book. I
think its an Idea Book, but maybe it isn't. Each model has a different
number, seemingly a set number, but since no one I know has ever heard of
these sets, I must assume they were only intended as ideas for models. The
rest of my page is still under construction, but there is a lot to come. I
started on it yesterday. Maybe I will do some more today. And, no, I don't
have a sealed Canadian Castle Minifig pack yet, nor a sealed 1592 for that
matter. Anyone want to help a guy out?
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Anders Isaksson

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Aug 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/22/99
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John D skrev i meddelandet ...

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> Actually, Brian, I think he means the Weetabix Castle, which had red
>walls and other colors for the rest of the castle. Is that the one you were
>asking about Jonathan? I think it was a set of its own, although it had
>very limited distribution (UK only?). It was before 1978, either late 60s
>or early 70s. You might also be interested to see another very old Castle.
>There is a little confusion among us collectors about whether this is a set
>or only an idea. Go to my webpage:
>http://www114.pair.com/ig88/
>and click on the history link. From there click on the 60s Idea Book. I
>think its an Idea Book, but maybe it isn't. Each model has a different
>number, seemingly a set number, but since no one I know has ever heard of
>these sets, I must assume they were only intended as ideas for models.

That's an interesting Idea Book - yes I think it must be, because many of
those models are also in my _very_ early 60s Idea Book (Swedish),
http://user.tninet.se/~hbh828t/ideabook.htm (slow page), but there they are
just drawings, not photos (most of them), and no numbers. My book must be from
60 or 61, because in the 62 book (German) which someone else has showed on the
net (I have mislaid the link :-( ), there are wheels too.

I have 'built' some of those models, and made some ray-tracings, see for
example http://user.tninet.se/~hbh828t/povsink.htm where you can see the
tanker and a submarine.

Happy building,
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Anders Isaksson, Sweden
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John D

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Aug 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/23/99
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Anders Isaksson wrote in message <7ppkmh$mr7$1...@cubacola.tninet.se>...

Tom Schlosser shows another old idea book on his web page. His does
appear to have wheels on the Train models, so it must not be quite as old.
Still its a fantastic old idea book!
http://home.t-online.de/home/tomslego/before1968.htm
It looks like LEGO used some of the same models in each of these old idea
books. I like those idea books that show the Town Plan with the models and
cars - those are great, even if primitive. I really like the big blue
church and the huge ship... which you "built"! That ship was one that stood
out when I first saw it in an old idea book - I really was surprised and
thrilled by your POVRays of it! I had marveled at your idea book pictures
before, and thanks for sharing the address to your sinking ship, too.

Anders Isaksson

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Aug 23, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/23/99
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John D skrev i meddelandet ...
> Tom Schlosser shows another old idea book on his web page. His does
>appear to have wheels on the Train models, so it must not be quite as old.
> http://home.t-online.de/home/tomslego/before1968.htm

Thanks for bringing up that URL! Yes, I think the consensus was that his book
is 1962 or later (that's when wheels were introduced), and mine is probably
61, maybe 60.

> I was just snooping around your page some more and found that blue Castle
>I had as a background a few months ago!

Have you seen Gary Istok's pictures - he has actually built it (for real!)
http://my.voyager.net/lar/gistok.html

>I could not find
>the idea book from your web page, only from the URL in your post. Is there
>anything else that I may have missed, which isn't linked to on your webpage?

I don't know, there is never enough time to meddle with the pages ;-) ... No,
I don't think there is anything else, unless you want to make my boys (9 and
12) happy, and look at their pages too :-)

Happy building, and all that,

Family starts at: http://user.tninet.se/~hbh828t/index.htm


Gary Istok

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Aug 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/24/99
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Ah! Someone else beat me to the "publishing" punch.

http://home.t-online.de/home/tomslego/before1968.htm

The fabulous book shown at this website is the "BUILDING IDEA BOOK #1", (Lego
#238). This book was produced in several version between 1960-1967. This was
produced in Danish, German, English and an International version without
writing. Anders has the earlier 1960 (Danish?) version without the wheels. I
have a mint copy of the German version which is also listed below. I also have a
few page from the International version (which shows the British Houses of
Parliament in grey (a sketch, not a photo)). On Tore Eriksson's website, there
is a 1960 Swedish magazine ad that shows this book. That's how I know that it
goes as far back as 1960.

This is my all time favorite Lego book!!! As stated earlier, it is Lego item
#238.

As Anders has stated, I built the blue castle shown in this book and its on the
website listed below. My version of the blue castle has 4 towers with a
courtyard, and I use real windows (744 windows!) instead of clear bricks (I
needed those for my Cathedral).

There are also some really neat photos of the Town Plan system in this book.
And the front and back cover show all the Lego items that were available in
1960-62.

If you look at the picture immediately after the blue castle (Section 11), you
will see a man and woman building their dream house. This building became the
model for the VERY FIRST MODEL LEGO SET that was not part of the Town Plan - the
1961 Samsonite Junior Constructor #717, which was only sold in USA/Canada. Here
it is in the 1961 Samsonite Lego Catalog (America's first Lego catalog) on the
Bill Katz/Joe Lauher website:

http://www.chem.sunysb.edu/msl/LEGO/60s_d2.jpg

You will notice that the USA version has an extra dormer window built into the
roof on the left side of the house. The European version in this catalog has no
such dormer. In fact the European version was never produced as a set. I have
built this house (in both versions) more often than any other building over the
last 39 years (at least 20 times!).

Gawd I love this book!!!

Gary Istok

Anders Isaksson

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Aug 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/24/99
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Gary Istok skrev i meddelandet <37C2BF8F...@umich.edu>...

>Ah! Someone else beat me to the "publishing" punch.
>
>http://home.t-online.de/home/tomslego/before1968.htm
>
>The fabulous book shown at this website is the "BUILDING IDEA BOOK #1", (Lego
>#238). This book was produced in several version between 1960-1967. This
was
>produced in Danish, German, English and an International version without
>writing. Anders has the earlier 1960 (Danish?) version without the wheels.
Swedish!

BTW, did you look at John D.'s idea book, http://www114.pair.com/ig88/ Most of
the photos there are real models of the ideas in our books.


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Gary Istok

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Aug 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/25/99
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Anders Isaksson wrote:

Sorry Anders, unfortunately I don't know Danish from Swedish (only English, German
and French). For some reason I always thought Danish and Swedish were like the
German spoken in Germany versus Austria or Switzerland, different dialects, yet
the same language Pardon my ignorance, but can you give us an example of the
difference between Danish and Swedish?

And that brochure in John DiRienzo's website, awesome isn't it? Both John and I
got the same brochure from a Belgian collector friend. We were trying to date it.
(No wheels, so it had to be from before 1961.) I thought that maybe it might be
as old as 1958 or 1959. It is in black and white pictures with blue backgrounds.
The castle shown in this brochure could be the oldest LEGO castle model ever. I
really love that Chinese City Gate.

Nice website John!!!

Gary Istok


Anders Isaksson

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Aug 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/25/99
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Gary Istok skrev i meddelandet <37C41062...@umich.edu>...

>
>Sorry Anders, unfortunately I don't know Danish from Swedish (only
>English, German and French). For some reason I always thought
>Danish and Swedish were like the German spoken in Germany versus
>Austria or Switzerland, different dialects, yet the same language
>Pardon my ignorance, but can you give us an example of the
>difference between Danish and Swedish?

In the very beginning all Scandinavia had the same language, mostly like the
current Icelandic, so they are certainly related, but not so much nowadays.

Well, first there's the alphabet, in Sweden we use ÅÄÖ (A-ring, A-umlaut,
O-umlaut), while the Danish use AA Æ Ø (double A, AE, slashed O).

Then there's the language; everything is alike - but different!
For example:
Danish: Hilsen fra Anders
Swedish: Hälsningar från Anders
English: Greetings from Anders

I can read Danish (and Norvegian) (almost) without problems (but not
Icelandic), but when it comes to listening to it... The Danish is totally
unintelligble, except for the most southern Swedes (which I have trouble
understanding), while Norvegian is almost understandable.

>And that brochure in John DiRienzo's website, awesome isn't it?
>Both John and I got the same brochure from a Belgian collector
>friend. We were trying to date it. (No wheels, so it had to be
>from before 1961.) I thought that maybe it might be as old as
>1958 or 1959. It is in black and white pictures with blue backgrounds.
>The castle shown in this brochure could be the oldest LEGO castle model ever.

It sure gives me a feel of the fifties, the Idea Books with drawings feels
like they are a newer product.

Gary Istok

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Aug 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM8/26/99
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Anders Isaksson wrote:

Thanks Anders,

There are a lot of German dialects that I have a hard time with as well. Frisian
is one. Since I was born in Bavaria, I can easily understand the Bavarian &
Austrian dialects, but I have some trouble with the Swabian and Pfalz dialects.

John and I think that the blue brochure was probably not for public use. Perhaps
it was a dealer brochure showing some of the dealer display models available from
TLG, and the model reference numbers as well. (Why else would each model have a
reference number?) I have seen the "half timbered" medieval house front in a US
storefront display photo (from 1962). So that would really make it a collectors
item.

Gary Istok

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