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Kevin Loch

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Jul 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/2/98
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Due to enormous demand I have made the scans available via ftp:

ftp://ftp.kl.net/scans

Of course they are still available vi http at:

http://www.kl.net/scans

KL

Luis E. Fernandez

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Jul 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/2/98
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Was is better FTP or HTTP??

Luis E. Fernandez
Kevin Loch wrote in message <359C04...@NOSPMkl.net>...

Godzilla

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Jul 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/2/98
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In article <6nhbpo$j...@enews1.newsguy.com>, lfer...@newsguy.com says...
Of the two protocols, ftp is far superior for massive data transfer.
http is esentialy a text markup language while ftp is a data transfer
protocol.

Larry A.

Kevin Loch

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Jul 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/2/98
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Actually, HTTP is a transfer protocol, HTML is the text markup protocol.

FTP is marginally better at doing batch transfers, depending on which
client you use. This is why people requested it. They want to download
all of the scans for as set without saving each one in a browser window.
Personally, I use a web browser and download them as I USE them. (no
the server isn't at my house). Several people have run webcopy or
similar
programs to dump the whole (now >800MB!) thing. I guess they're making
thumbnails,
which would be nice. In any case, thy're there, do whatever works best
for you.

It would be nice if one of the mega-indexes (like puase) linked to the
scans for each set. I have no intention of ever duplicating the index
effort.

P.S. even with a basic ftp client you could dump the whole thing by
creating
the entire directory structure first (perhaps by trimming du-k.txt into
a script)
and doing an MGET * from /scans. I just hope you've got lots of
bandwidth and/or
lots of time :)

KL

Godzilla wrote:
>
> In article <6nhbpo$j...@enews1.newsguy.com>, lfer...@newsguy.com says...
> > Was is better FTP or HTTP??

> Of the two protocols, ftp is far superior for massive data transfer.

Dirk Schwarzmann

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Jul 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/3/98
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Luis E. Fernandez wrote:
>
> Was is better FTP or HTTP??
>
It depends. I prefer ftp if I know what I want to get. Using UN*X, you
can start a ftp job while you´re not online yourself and save plenty
of time - next morning, all your file are there! The other thing is,
http means clicking on every single file if you do not have the
possibility to install something like WebSnake, WebMailer or similar.

To get an overview of what is to offer, a HTML-listing of a directory
is much more comfortable (you can also easily print it) - so choose the
best thing for what you want to do!

regards, Rob1
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Huw Millington

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Jul 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/3/98
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In article <359C53...@NOSPMkl.net>, kl...@NOSPMkl.net (Kevin Loch)
wrote:

> Several people have run webcopy or
> similar
> programs to dump the whole (now >800MB!) thing. I guess they're making
> thumbnails,
> which would be nice. In any case, thy're there, do whatever works best
> for you.

I did just that this week. Took nearly 48 hours over a 64K link. I was 'soak
testing' the newly installed leased line at work :-)

>
> It would be nice if one of the mega-indexes (like puase) linked to the
> scans for each set. I have no intention of ever duplicating the index
> effort.

I am currently doing some work on a post-classic space set reference for my
web page and plan to do just that.


Huw

hmill...@cix.co.uk
http://www.pncl.co.uk/~huw

Larry Pieniazek

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Jul 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/3/98
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> Muahaahaaaa! :]
>
> --Todd

Ya, we see you did it already, VERY nice job. (1) Do you have to
manually(2) keep a flag up to date in the DB to drive that?

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1 - I think my post announcing I spotted it is 8 minutes ahead of your
post bragging about it so nyaa nyaa...

2 - or under crawler control, as compared to figuring it out on the fly
by trying to see if the directory exists

Ardjan Besse

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Jul 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/3/98
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Op een zekere dag, te weten Thu, 02 Jul 1998 18:05:47 -0400, klom Kevin Loch
<kl...@NOSPMkl.net> in het toetsenbord en schreef ons:

>Due to enormous demand I have made the scans available via ftp:
>
>ftp://ftp.kl.net/scans
>
>Of course they are still available vi http at:
>
>http://www.kl.net/scans
>
>KL

Great! Thank you very much.

Now I can do a 'directory compare' with my CD, download only the new
directories, and add them to the CD......
And with a cable-tv connection at 36Kbyte/sec, with possible 24h online a
day, I can get a LOT of pictures.

Ardjan

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Todd Lehman

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Jul 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/4/98
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Kevin Loch <kl...@NOSPMkl.net> writes:
> [...]

> It would be nice if one of the mega-indexes (like puase) linked to the
> scans for each set.
> [...]


Heh heh... Easier said than done!

(But how about this?--)


:
:
<if ($set->{Instructions})>
<A HREF="$set->{Instructions}">Building instructions</A> for this set are
available at <A HREF="http://www.kl.net/">Kevin Loch's Net Server</A>.<BR>
</if>
:
:


Muahaahaaaa! :]

--Todd

Todd Lehman

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Jul 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/4/98
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Kevin Loch <kl...@NOSPMkl.net> writes:
> It would be nice if one of the mega-indexes (like puase) linked to the
> scans for each set. I have no intention of ever duplicating the index
> effort.


I almost forgot -- the little tables that pop up when there are more than one
match -- they now show which sets have photos and building instruction scans.

For example, here is a list of all the Space Police II sets...

http://database.lugnet.com/pause/search/?theme=Space,Space+Police+II

...and it shows that scans are still needed for 6813 and 6984.


--Todd

Todd Lehman

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Jul 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/4/98
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Larry Pieniazek <lp...@ctp.IWANTNOSPAM.com> writes:
> Do you have to manually(2) keep a flag up to date in the DB to drive that?
> [...]

> 2 - or under crawler control, as compared to figuring it out on the fly
> by trying to see if the directory exists


I didn't want to overload Kevin's server by checking on-the-fly every time
the page is accessed.* So there is a script which, when invoked, goes and
talks to Kevin's server and asks it for a list of all the sets that are
there. This takes about 0.55 seconds over HTTP.

It really ought to be a cron job set up to run once a day at night, or some
other kind of inter-server trigger/semaphore somehow. But this is certainly
OK for starters, as long as Kevin doesn't mind.

--Todd


* OTOH, it could be smart and only look once per day per set, and then if
it does it on-the-fly for a set, it would probably only delay the page
generation very slightly only once per day to some random person. I'll
have plenty of time to think about this in more detail as I continue packing

Larry Pieniazek

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Jul 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM7/4/98
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Todd Lehman wrote:

>
> I didn't want to overload Kevin's server by checking on-the-fly every time
> the page is accessed.*

<snip>

> * OTOH, it could be smart and only look once per day per set, and then if
> it does it on-the-fly for a set, it would probably only delay the page
> generation very slightly only once per day to some random person.

Hmm... how about this for an optimization, given that it's not likely
that scans will go away... only look if you currently think the scan
isn't there, and if you haven't looked in X hours? As the scan set
approaches completeness, you can ratchet X down and keep the load on the
server constant, as you will be looking less and less, percentagewise.
Then, to handle the rare cases where a scan goes away (1), run your
crawler cronjob once a day to verify everything and reset appropriate
flags.

Don't let thinking about this stop you from packing up my stuff, though!
:-)

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1 - is this ever going to happen? I'm just being thorough, because I
can't imagine a scenario where a scan gets pulled. Kevin is pretty
rigorous about not allowing scans up for current sets, etc.

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