best type of boat hulls for wakeboarding?
GoBig
yep, a harder more distinguished wake definitely works better for
wakeboarding- much different than what most hard core skiers look for.
What
would we suggest for strictly wakeboarding?? Well, I guess there are a
number
of possibilities depending on what you're willing to jump in to.
1)The bigger comp boats like the Sport Nautique, Master Craft ProStar
210,
Supra Meriah (and others) are big boats (~23') with big wakes - these are
the
ones you'll generally see pulling the pros in most of the big time
tournaments
(other than the SeaDoo runs). But they also have a hefty price tag -
(don't
take my word, but I think a new Sport Nautique hits right around 32k??).
2) Another option might be to go with your standard comp boat like the
Ski
Nautique or Master Craft ProStar 190 (there's a big list here to also
include
Ski Brendella, Tige, Supra, Ski Centurion- all your average 19' comp
boats)
and rig it up for big air. Do things like add lead weights in the rear,
like the Launch
Pad or fill a few 5gal buckets with cement, or you could even use a pylon
entension
for get more lift. A combination of these will definitely affect the wake
or
amount of air you'll get behind any boat. In fact if you could believe
it,
some pros put over 500 lbs. of lead in their **Sport Nautiques** for
training.
I'm not sure how much it really helps since they all still get incredible
air
behind anything including a SeaDoo!!!
2) Another option might be to find an older boat with the V'ed hull you
mention. This is what we do- we use an '89 Ski Nautique with that older V
hull design (1989 was the last year before they changed their hull to stay
competitive in the industry). Because we like wakeboarding so much more
than
skiing, we've found it real hard to want to upgrade to a newer Nautique.
Last
summer we took a few runs behind a 94 and it had a pretty decent wake at
21
mph, but was still something to get used to. It might have been a bit
better
(or closer to the 89) by doing the cement thing, but I guess we just got
real
spoiled with the incredible wake with adding anything extra to the boat
(gas
mileage might be a big deal with an added 500+ lbs of weight). Although I
also have to say, I was in a newer reg comp boat with Dean LaVelle and he
was
doing some incredible stuff with at least matching air from what you'd see
behind a weighted 23' tow. My guess is that the better you get in timing
and edge
(it's really ALL edge that makes the difference), the less dependant you
become
on the size of the wake.
What'll be interesting is... competition ski boats (especially those with
flat
bottom designs) have been striving for years to get the flattest wake,
minimal
spray, softest curl, etc... and then wakeboards hit the market. I can't
wait
to see how they might change hull designs to compensate for this quickly
growing sport... And they might be able to pull it off. Right??... the
perfect
boat would be killer wakeboard wake around 20 mph, and the smoothest
slalom
ride at 32 mph. Maybe, just maybe.
-GoBig
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> Dana Love <pr...@gorge.net> wrote in article
<4t71g7$a...@news.sprintnw.com>...
> I am trying to get an idea of the type of boat hull that
> makes the best wake for wakeboarding. I understand skiers
> want less wake than wakeboarders. Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dana
>
>
Dana Love
Bill Walker
In article <4takvf$c...@ruby.ucc.nau.edu>, d...@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Donna C.
Oldfield) wrote:
[...]
>Aren't we already seeing attempts at this with the advent of systems such
>as the TAPS? BTW, anyone have any comments on how worthwhile this is?
>How about the usefulness of retro-fitting it? Can it be added to any
>tournament-type boat?
[...]
Didn't you see the review I posted a few weeks ago about the TAPS retrofit
on my Tige'? Unfortunately, I neglected to save a copy of it for myself.
Did anybody out there save it? The gist of it was that I'm pretty happy
with it. It makes a big difference in the shape of the wake at boarding
speed. It does seem to add just a little bit of white water at slalom
speed, but it's not a problem. And it gives you the ability to trim the
boat's attitude for cruising.
I don't think it'd be wise to retrofit it to other boats. For example, if
you ended up with too much downward travel on the tab, you could end up
stuffing the bow into a wave, with tragic results. Tige' has engineered
the limits on their retrofit to avoid this. Also, the older Tige's were
already using a wake plate/ride plate/cavitation plate (pick a name) in
that location, which was adjustable via turnbuckles. TAPS just adds a
hinge and remote control. Boats that aren't already using such a plate
probably couldn't be trimmed up very much, I'd guess (you'd get some
effect of pulling the stern down, similar to the effect seen when you hold
a spoon under a running faucet, but I'd guess it wouldn't be too
dramatic).
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Bill Walker, QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA USA
WWa...@qualcomm.com
Thogie
Two words: Deep Vee
two More:Stern Drive
While the Deep Vee Stern Drive won't hold a speed as well(Usually), When
the speed is right, the wake is huge;phat, watever. my buddy has a four
wins 190, an the wake is 2 feet high at low speed, but it is steep, so it
is better for knee boarding.
pete
'rip and shred til your Mucles are dead'
MQualkinbu
> Perhaps not, since you say the '91 Nautique's wakes
>weren't as good as the '89's (but then, maybe the trickers didn't like it
>as much, either. Any trick skiers out there?).
Bill,
I prefer the old 2001 hull as a tricker. This hull was better in wake
turns and caused less lateral travel in between tricks. I've learned to
deal with the new hulls but I lost one trick in my hand pass. As a driver
and slalom skier I like the new hull better. I think the new boats meet
the overall demands of waterskiers a little better than the old ones.
As for a great wakeboard boat try a Barefoot Nautique (big air).
Rob Hardy
The best wake from a skiboat I have ever ridden is an 89 Supra
Sunsport with a hydraulic trim tab. This let's the boat's ass
sit deep in the water for a big, steep lip or sit higher up for
a surprisingly smooth slalom wake. You can bust effortless 6-8
foot air without concrete or water in the boat and then run the
course. It is the most versatile boat I have ridden behind.
Rob
Donna C. Oldfield
GoBig (Go...@msn.com) wrote:
<Most of a really helpful post snipped>
: I can't wait
: to see how they might change hull designs to compensate for this quickly
: growing sport... And they might be able to pull it off. Right??... the
: perfect
: boat would be killer wakeboard wake around 20 mph, and the smoothest
: slalom
: ride at 32 mph. Maybe, just maybe.
Aren't we already seeing attempts at this with the advent of systems such
as the TAPS? BTW, anyone have any comments on how worthwhile this is?
How about the usefulness of retro-fitting it? Can it be added to any
tournament-type boat?
<GoBig's Promo deleted> :-)
Personally, we've found our V-drive to be about the best compromise
between wakeboard and ski wakes. Of course, we're not very good at
either sport. - Yet.
- Donna (who _finally_ skied fakie last weekend at beautiful Lake Powell)
Bill Walker
In article <01bb7a62.95bd1080$0b71389d@johnjon>, "GoBig" <Go...@msn.com> wrote:
[...]
> 1)The bigger comp boats like the Sport Nautique,
> Master Craft ProStar 210,
Not to pick nits, but that'd be the Maristar 210.
[...]
> 2) Another option might be to go with your standard comp boat like the
>Ski
>Nautique or Master Craft ProStar 190 (there's a big list here to also
>include
>Ski Brendella, Tige, Supra, Ski Centurion- all your average 19' comp
>boats)
Most of which are 20' boats nowadays. I know, I'm picking nits again.
>and rig it up for big air. Do things like add lead weights in the rear,
>like the Launch
>Pad or fill a few 5gal buckets with cement, or you could even use a pylon
>entension
>for get more lift. A combination of these will definitely affect the wake
>or
>amount of air you'll get behind any boat.
They'll also reduce your load capacity in the boat by the amount of weight
you add. Make sure the boat can handle it and still carry the number of
people you plan to have on it.
[...]
>What'll be interesting is... competition ski boats (especially those with
>flat
>bottom designs) have been striving for years to get the flattest wake,
>minimal
>spray, softest curl, etc... and then wakeboards hit the market. I can't
>wait
>to see how they might change hull designs to compensate for this quickly
>growing sport... And they might be able to pull it off. Right??... the
>perfect
>boat would be killer wakeboard wake around 20 mph, and the smoothest
>slalom
>ride at 32 mph. Maybe, just maybe.
Funny, but most of them have for years been designing their boats to have
great slalom wakes at 32-36 mph, and great wakes for trick skiing at 15-22
mph or so. Aren't trickers looking for wakes similar to what wakeboarders
are looking for? Perhaps not, since you say the '91 Nautique's wakes
weren't as good as the '89's (but then, maybe the trickers didn't like it
as much, either. Any trick skiers out there?).
Stephen Kennedy
Donna C. Oldfield wrote:
> ...as the TAPS? BTW, anyone have any comments on how worthwhile this is?
> How about the usefulness of retro-fitting it? Can it be added to any
> tournament-type boat?
I retro-fitted my Supra SunSport (big open bow that had a fixed plate).
I added hydraulic actuators from Bennett. I love it; instead of
compromising because it was a hassle to change the plate, now I can
change it on the fly. The plate changes the steepness of the wake
and how "hard" it is. The slalom wakes are much better than you'd expect
from a boat this size when the plate is changed.
> - Donna (who _finally_ skied fakie last weekend at beautiful Lake Powell)
Congratulations on the fakie. I'm still working on it.
Steve
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Delta Charley
Rob Hardy <rdh...@eos.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>Rob
I had the chance to take a Supra Sunsport for a test ride and I would
have to agree. This boat has the smoothest ride by far of any inboard
I have been in. It looks a little funny with the large bow area but
what the heck, this is one sweat driving boat!
If you find a used one in good shape BUY IT!
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A new boat design based on this hull may very well be the ULTIMATE
family/cruse/wakeboard boat for the future.
--
Delta
sil...@netcomuk.co.uk
BORDEN1000
In article <4tbrkc$5...@lal.interserv.com>, tphi...@interserv.com (Tommy
Phillips) writes:
>WE have seen a bunch of Wakeboard tournaments this year with Mastercraft
>Prostars loaded with about eight hundred pounds
>in the rear and one hundred fifty pounds in the nose.
This sounds like you were near "capacity" with just the weight...
bl
Dan Bowen
Cathederal Hull Tri-Hulls are terrible for wakeboarding. My friend
has one. I board off of it because ridind behind a crappy boat is
better than riding without a boat. The outside hulls destroy what
would be a nice wake.
Dan