Fine for skiing without observer???
Larry Brown
areas. I assume it varies depending on where you are. I'd like to see
what the difference is. Any first-hand or second-hand experience out
there?
Please, no flames on this....
Thanks, Larry
Jeff F. Hersh
> I'm curious what the fine is for skiing without an observer in various
> areas. I assume it varies depending on where you are. I'd like to see
> what the difference is. Any first-hand or second-hand experience out
> there?
I heard a guy in Pittsburgh, PA was fined $25 for pulling two people on
inner tube without an observer. I asssume the fine was for the no
observer and had nothing to do with the number of people on the inner
tube.
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Jeff Hersh
Pittsburgh, PA
hers...@atc.alcoa.com
Bill Walker
> I'm curious what the fine is for skiing without an observer in various
> areas. I assume it varies depending on where you are. I'd like to see
> what the difference is. Any first-hand or second-hand experience out
> there?
>
> Please, no flames on this....
I don't consider this a flame, but I suppose you might.
The fine could be _death_. Most mirrors won't show you everything. In
many circumstances, you need that extra set of eyes to help see other
boats, or to let you concentrate on the other boats while your observer
concentrates on the skier. And if your skier gets hurt, you may need an
observer to help you get him into the boat. To me, these reasons are far
more important than any legal requirement or consequence thereof.
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"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
IHVMYEP
the driver thought the person was competant, they could observe. But 2
years ago on the fox river "north of Chicago" my uncles got stopped with
a guys 10 year old daughter and the patrol guy said that she wasn't old
enough, but offered no set age. What is the deal here?
John
wrote:
>I'm curious what the fine is for skiing without an observer in various
>areas. I assume it varies depending on where you are. I'd like to see
>what the difference is. Any first-hand or second-hand experience out
>there?
This is going to vary all over the scale based on the state, county
and a host of others. In some areas of Northern CA. it can be as high
as $250. They especially like to get the joker with the ski vest
stuffed with towels and a hat.
As Bill stated the overall cost could well be a lot higher if some one
gets injured. IMHO get an observer whether the law requires it or not.
John
GORDON JENSEN
>
>I'm curious what the fine is for skiing without an observer in various
>areas. I assume it varies depending on where you are. I'd like to see
>what the difference is. Any first-hand or second-hand experience out
>there?
>
>Please, no flames on this....
>
>Thanks, Larry
>
Tried once with just my wife and kids (age 7 and 6) cuz couldn't find
legal 3rd (my kids were 'born' in a boat and even then knew more of
what to do than many adults.
As luck or murphy's law would have it, I only skied for 5 minutes when
a sherrif's boat stopped up (south east Calif. Delta).
It is lumped in with reckless driving, hitting objects, and other very
serious offenses and ran $405.00.
Luckly my son will be 12 next year so we will be done with that
problem.
Gordon
GORDON JENSEN
Depends on the state. California requires an observer to be 12 years
old (although they can drive at 12 as well and pull skiers under adult
supervision).
Gordon
Terry Jones
>I have a question about the age of the observer. I always thought that if
>the driver thought the person was competant, they could observe. But 2
>years ago on the fox river "north of Chicago" my uncles got stopped with
>a guys 10 year old daughter and the patrol guy said that she wasn't old
>enough, but offered no set age. What is the deal here?
Here in Ontario Canada I am aware of no regulations in place for the
age of the observer and I am pretty well up on the regulations.
My 8 year old regularly spots for us.
There is a guy on the lake that gets his blind father to spot. Certainly of
age but not very practical in my opinion!
Then there was the incident in my boat last weekend where
2 adults, 4 kids in the boat, me driving, skier falls, ONLY
my 8 year old was watching the skier. Stay concious there folks...
Michael is my 8 year old. I will give him the credit he deserves here.
He is a good kid and a very good spotter. He can ski a bit too.
tj
Jim Dibella
Yet my 6 yr old does a better job than any adult that I've had.
Even my 4 yr old does a better job!
Thewater cops will still wait in my yard to give me a ticket even if I'm the only
boat out on the water:(
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Jim
Gary Polson
>
> I'm curious what the fine is for skiing without an observer in various
> areas. I assume it varies depending on where you are. I'd like to see
> what the difference is. Any first-hand or second-hand experience out
> there?
>
> Please, no flames on this....
>
> Thanks, Larry
>
prohibited with any watercraft which is designed to accomodate
two or fewer persons. Water skiing shall be allowed with any
watercraft which is designed to accommodate three or more
persons. A rear-facing spotter shall be required for water
skiing."
The next section goes on to talk about skiing behind a jet-ski
and says thats ok if they have a mirror. That seems a little
inconsistent.
The fine for skiing behind a boat without an observer is listed
as $90.00.
Gary Polson
MerCruiser
James Siegrist
Joe Konecny
>In article <40aivi$4...@ftp.netgate.net>, la...@netgate.net (Larry Brown) wrote:
>> I'm curious what the fine is for skiing without an observer in various
>> areas. I assume it varies depending on where you are. I'd like to see
>> what the difference is. Any first-hand or second-hand experience out
>> there?
>I heard a guy in Pittsburgh, PA was fined $25 for pulling two people on
>inner tube without an observer. I asssume the fine was for the no
>observer and had nothing to do with the number of people on the inner
>tube.
>--
>Jeff Hersh
>Pittsburgh, PA
>hers...@atc.alcoa.com
I just got busted three weeks ago... cost me $65.00.
Joe
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Joe Konecny - jko...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green Ohio, USA
Hell won't be so bad... all my friends will be there!
Joe Konecny
>On Wed, 09 Aug 1995 15:13:27 GMT, la...@netgate.net (Larry Brown)
>wrote:
>>I'm curious what the fine is for skiing without an observer in various
>>areas. I assume it varies depending on where you are. I'd like to see
>>what the difference is. Any first-hand or second-hand experience out
>>there?
>This is going to vary all over the scale based on the state, county
>and a host of others. In some areas of Northern CA. it can be as high
>as $250. They especially like to get the joker with the ski vest
>stuffed with towels and a hat.
>As Bill stated the overall cost could well be a lot higher if some one
>gets injured. IMHO get an observer whether the law requires it or not.
>John
What's up with stuffing a towel and hat in your vest?
John
wrote:
>c...@ix.netcom.com (John) writes:
>>On Wed, 09 Aug 1995 15:13:27 GMT, la...@netgate.net (Larry Brown)
>>wrote:
>>>I'm curious what the fine is for skiing without an observer in various
>>>areas. I assume it varies depending on where you are. I'd like to see
>>>what the difference is. Any first-hand or second-hand experience out
>>>there?
>>This is going to vary all over the scale based on the state, county
>>and a host of others. In some areas of Northern CA. it can be as high
>>as $250. They especially like to get the joker with the ski vest
>>stuffed with towels and a hat.
>What's up with stuffing a towel and hat in your vest?
>--
>Joe Konecny - jko...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
>Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green Ohio, USA
They tend to frown on folks trying to make it look like they have an
observer.
John
Am skier1
I just got nabbed 2 weeks ago. My girlfriend was pulling myself and her
mother on a tube. Ranger Bob said he could give all three of us a ticket
but I assumed responsibility. And it was $70.
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Billyboard
writes:
>>What's up with stuffing a towel and hat in your vest?
>
>>--
>>Joe Konecny - jko...@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu
>>Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green Ohio, USA
>
>They tend to frown on folks trying to make it look like they have an
>observer.
>
>
Thanks for clarifying this. When I read it I thought you meant a skier
with those things stuffed in their vest. Too many faceplants!
Bill
EPHound
several times over the years. They seem to like to give out at least two
or three a year to the approximately 6 tournament ski boats on our pond.
The cost of the ticket is $25. After reading about the fines else where I
won't complain anymore. The Coastguard officer who gives us the tickets
is a very nice man who lives just opposite our slalom course.
As to the safety aspect. Common sense regarding the conditions must
prevail. Kids in NY must be at least 10 years old to be legal. My tall 5
year old seems to be doing the job.
acss...@acs.eku.edu
> wrote:
>
>>c...@ix.netcom.com (John) writes:
>
>>>On Wed, 09 Aug 1995 15:13:27 GMT, la...@netgate.net (Larry Brown)
>>>wrote:
>
>>>>I'm curious what the fine is for skiing without an observer in various
>>>>areas. I assume it varies depending on where you are. I'd like to see
>>>>what the difference is. Any first-hand or second-hand experience out
>>>>there?
>
>>>This is going to vary all over the scale based on the state, county
>>>and a host of others. In some areas of Northern CA. it can be as high
>>>as $250. They especially like to get the joker with the ski vest
>>>stuffed with towels and a hat.
>
>
>
Anyone ben down to Lee's ford on Lake Cumberland? There is a house boat
there with a great looking maniquin. You have to really look close to
tell she isn't real. I'd say she would pass 99% of the time.
dsc
Dudley Cornman
Systems Programmer
Academic Computing Services - EKU
ACSS...@ACS.EKU.EDU
Billyboard
Just kidding...
Bill
acss...@acs.eku.edu
Since were in NY, what's the official fine for walking in dangerous
areas after dark (without observers)? It's probably much more dangerous
of an activity than skiing without an observer...
Greg Wait
within 4 hours drive of NYC. It's beautiful country, and we never locked the
house when we were out. There's more to NY than just "The City" and it's
suburbs.
--
Greg Wait <Z0...@ix.netcom.com>
acss...@acs.eku.edu
Granted, but you get my point don't you?
Greg Wait
>In article <40q7r3$e...@crchh327.rich.bnr.ca>, Greg Wait <ggw...@bnr.ca> writes:
>> Just for the record NY is a STATE. I grew up in upstate NY and never got
>> within 4 hours drive of NYC. It's beautiful country, and we never locked the
>> house when we were out. There's more to NY than just "The City" and it's
>> suburbs.
>> --
>> Greg Wait <Z0...@ix.netcom.com>
>>
>
>Granted, but you get my point don't you?
>
>dsc
Yeah, I get your point. I just had to make mine, too. After traveling in
Europe and Australia where they hink the whole U.S. is just like NYC, I'm a
little territorial about "back home." No offense taken, given, meant, or
implied. This offer void where prohibitted. You must be present to win.
--
Greg Wait <Z0...@ix.netcom.com>
Dudeman
>: As luck or murphy's law would have it, I only skied for 5 minutes when
>: a sherrif's boat stopped up (south east Calif. Delta).
>
>: It is lumped in with reckless driving, hitting objects, and other very
>: serious offenses and ran $405.00.
I ski in the northern Calif Delta, around Walnut Grove. And the cops are all
over that place. Four weeks ago two of my buds and I went out. We tied a tube
into the bow for fun later when it got choppy. While I was skiing the tube came
loose and flew up over the driver and straight at me. I let go if the rope and
caught the tube while it was still flying though the air (laughing the whole
time). The driver got nervous and wound up steering into a patch of floating
weeds, clogging the intake. As I floated, the observer and driver were
franticly trying to clear the intake before the boat was washed up onto the
rocks. As luck would have it the cops came around the corner at that split
second. They *IMMEDIATELY* put on their lights and started yelling at us, via
PA system, that our observer wasn't doing their job. I got a little ticked that
they couldn't see for themselves what the hell was going on. So I called them
over and 'sternly' told them that for *THIS* situation two people in the boat
and one in the water was not enough to rectify the boat problem and still keep
a flag in the air. They got all araogant (attitude wise) and demanded a safety
inspection. We passed the inspection and didn't get a ticket. But from that
moment on they stayed fairly close to us....watching.
Long winded? yes. My point? I don't know. Maybe the observer rule isn't so
smart. Maybe it's like a speed trap on land. Maybe some cops can be assholes on
land and water.
oh...the boat was fine. It only took 10 seconds to clear the intake.
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