Another question, do you need more h.p. for slalom skiing? Or is it pretty
much the same requirements as 2 skis.
Thanks for your help.
I learned how to ski on 2 skies behind a 50 HP boat, but I wouldn't
recommend it, unless you like water enema's and being drug for a good
while. and at the time, I was probably 170 lbs. Depending on the boat
size, you should have more than that.
> Another question, do you need more h.p. for slalom skiing? Or is it
pretty
> much the same requirements as 2 skis.
A LOT more. that slalom ski put a LOT of drag on the boat. I watched a
very good slalom skier get up behind that 50 HP boat, and he got beat up
pretty bad.
This is just a WAG, but as you seem to be looking at outboards, I'd say
that you are gonna be a lot happier with 100-150 HP at least.
For the 200-lb man getting up on 2 skis, 90 hp would be okay for a 17'
Whaler, which weighs under 1000 lbs and planes readily. But 90-hp would
be insufficient for a 21' Bayliner.
150 hp behind an 18 - 19' Sea Ray probably makes more sense.
If you go I/O, probably looking at a 165 - 210 hp pushing an 18'-20' boat.
Do an on-water demo of the boat. If you punch it from steerage speed
and it feels like a dog, it will not suit your purpose.
> This is just a WAG, but as you seem to be looking at outboards, I'd say
> that you are gonna be a lot happier with 100-150 HP at least.
Doug, I appreciate your input, but you seem to have misunderstood the
question. I am wondering about the minimum h.p. that I need to be able to
reasonably pull adult waterskiers. I know for a fact that a 200 pound man
can easily ski behind a 75 h.p. motor because I have done it many times.
Given this, and the nature of my original question (the minimum
requirements) your suggestion that I would be a lot happier with at least
100-150 HP seems unreasonable. Of course I would be a lot happier with
100-150 HP, but I would be a lot happier with a Ferarri, too. I would be a
lot happier with a lot of better, more powerful things, but $$ reality must
be taken into account at some point. That's why I am asking about the
minimum hp requirements.
I don't mean to say that I didn't value your input, Doug, because you made
some good points. You seem to be saying that you can ski behind a 50 but
it's a bit of a struggle? What about a 60 or 65? I am just wondering
what's the minimum to still be able to reasonable ski behind? I know that I
(about 200 pounds) can easily ski behind a 75, so I presume that the minimum
required hp must be below 75.
>..I know that I
>(about 200 pounds) can easily ski behind a 75, so I presume that the minimum
>required hp must be below 75.
>
Get a shaped ski (Connelly Big Daddy) and your 200 lbs can ski behind
a 40 hp.
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> Get a shaped ski (Connelly Big Daddy) and your 200 lbs can ski behind
> a 40 hp.
Good idea!! If I end up with a lower hp motor, and am having problems I
will try a ski like this. Thanks.
You asked the question and now you answered it. Looks like around 50 to
75hp to me. Myself, I can't ski very well behind 335hp. Damn boat keeps
winning. If your going to berate the opinion of the people in this group
why even ask the question.
Jim
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> Yes.
>
> You asked the question and now you answered it. Looks like around 50 to
> 75hp to me. Myself, I can't ski very well behind 335hp. Damn boat keeps
> winning. If your going to berate the opinion of the people in this group
> why even ask the question.
Berate the opinion? What are you talking about? But anyway, I asked the
question because I am sure that there are lots of people in here who know
much more about waterskiing and have much more experience with waterskiing
than I have. I am sure that you can imagine my surprise to hear people
telling me that I need a minimum of 100hp when I have skied fine behind 75
hp for years. I asked the question because I thought that it was a pretty
straightforward question that experts could relatively easily answer. I
know that there are some variables like I mentioned in the original message,
but I thought that there would be an answer from someone with lots of
experience skiing behind many different sizes of motors.
After all this information you will still get lots of opinions, but it
should narrow it down a bit for ya.
I pulled a guy up behind my 14' sea ray with an old 72 40 Hp motor that
weighed the same as you, but he dragged himself a few hundred feet to do
it. He also couldn't cut very hard cause he slowed down the boat so much.
Drew
I still enjoy free skiing and messing around on tricks. SO my min is a 16'
boat with a 90 hp. If I'm at all serious, then its a boat with tracking
fins and at least 150 hp. If I'm going to do the course then the boat has
to track very well and pull much harder still.(inboard tournament type boat)
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There.
Good luck.
Grover
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As I said, I learned behind a 50 HP, But, as several other people have
said, what do YOU call skiing? Are you getting pulled behind the boat,
and not cutting? Are you running the course? What speed are you skiing
at? If you want to run 20 mph, than any engine will work fine for you.
If you want to SKI, then you need more power.
Damn, I have the same problem. Must be too much HP. <vbg>
Well, ya gotta remember most of the denizens of this ng have
tournament boats. Anything less than 300hp is too weenie for a lotta
people here.
Now, me, I started skiing in the late 50's and hardly anybody had more
than 100 hp back then; so I understand where you're coming from. But
as many folks have said, if you wanna goof around the lake, that's one
thing. If you wanna run the course, that's another. And this ain't the
50's; it's the Third Millennium.
My 1995 MasterCraft has, IIRC, 275 hp; we never come close to using
its full capacity. If you're happy with 75hp, why don't you just call
that your "baseline"?
Frank
When I was kid (long time ago) I used to laugh at the ads in the
paper for "Ski Rig" 35 HP Johnson.
I could get up behind a 50hp on a slalom but it took awhile!
> Well, ya gotta remember most of the denizens of this ng have
> tournament boats. Anything less than 300hp is too weenie for a lotta
> people here.
Hi everyone. Thanks for all of your responses. Yes, I think that the above
is the reason that I have been told by people in here that I need 100+ hp.
This is the reason that I made a point of saying in my initial message that
I was looking for a boat for some "casual waterskiing." I am not looking
for a boat do get involved with tournament skiing or extreme slalom or
course skiing. I am just looking for something to play around with some
skiing at the cottage. It would mainly be used for skiing with 2 skis but
also some slalom. I would like to be able to cut across the wake, not hard,
but cut across nonetheless. Anyway, I think that if I put all of the
answers together I can come to the conclusion that probably 50hp is the
lowest that I would want to go for sure, and would probably be much happier
with a 65 or a 75 on the low end of the scale. And thanks to responses, now
I know that if I get a 50 or a 65 or 75 and I am still unhappy with
performance, I can do things like tinker with different skis (Connelly Big
Daddy skis) or other things like trimming the motor to get better results.
Thanks for your responses, everyone. And sorry, I didn't mean to sound
harsh at times, I was just very surprised to hear people telling me that I
need 100+ hp. But I think that I have it sorted out now.
....
>Now, me, I started skiing...
I thought that was you in that pic with Ralph Samuelson!
You can pretty much do anything with a 90HP (Outboard 2 stroke) and up
recreational wise. I don't know about running a course though.
For an I/O I'd say 140HP is about equal to a 80-90HP outboard 2 stroke.
I'm talking about the average boats you'd see on these motors. 70Hp
probably would be a 16ft boat. The 90OB or 140I/O would probably be a 17-18
ft boat. Both fiberglass runabouts.
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We have good friends that often spend time at the lake with us. They
have a 17 or 18' Lund with a 90 HP Yamaha that is a very nice
occasional ski-boat. If you have "big" people trying to slalom I
don't think you would want much less. Until we bought our Response we
had an 18' FBG with 140 I/O. It wasn't enough to have fun with. YMMV
R.J.(Bob) Evans
(return address needs alteration to work)
My first boat was a stressed skin plywood 14' with a 25HP Johnson. No, I
wasn't a kid, I was well over 200#, and I skied behind that, and taught
numerous others how to ski with a 2x4 mimicking a barefoot pole before they
existed. I used double lines - 150' - in order to get enough maneuvering
room to get some speed, because it probably wasn't going 20 mph. But I sure
enjoyed the heck out of that boat.
Next was a Larson lapstrake 16' with a 'big' 65 HP motor. I learned to drop
and slalom behind that. Search the archives for descriptions of how I used
to do a circular run up to full speed and then straightened out in order to
launch once I started to go from slalom deep water starts (dragging my rear
foot for steerage). All the way up to 35 mph, on a Taperflex biggie, still
well over 200#. Woo Hoo!!
Skipping forward, today I do the course (www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery -
third and beyond ski folder page) in/behind an oldy-moldy early-era ski
boat. Flat out, it won't go any faster than 40, but I'll never do the
course at that speed, so it's irrelevant. If I want to go 50, I'll use the
Baja behind which I *used* to ski, and pull as many as 7 at a time, just for
grins.
So, your question really has to be one of what boat you intend using, how
many people will be aboard (planing characteristics and potential top
speed), and what you want if anything more than just cruising down the
lake/river. The harder you cut, regardless of whether you can get out of
the water, and stay out of the water, on whatever you're riding (kneeboard,
wakeboard, ski, skurfer, etc.) , the more impact you'll have on the boat
direction and speed. If either of those is important to you (to keep
constant), the more weight and horses you have, the better.
OTOH, if what you want is to go out and have good, inexpensive, reliable
fun, then the smallest, lightest boat, with the most modest horses you can
hang on there, will do it. My next door neighbor has an aluminum rowboat
with a 30 HP on it, and he skis his kid slalom, wakeboards and tubes behind
it.
From the sound of what you posted, since I didn't see reference to crowds of
people and friends/family mentioned, a closed-bow stressed-skin ply like I
first had, with a 50 hung on the rear, will give you all you need. At that,
I easily and comfortably seated 5 in that boat, having made a folding rear
seat to put in it to go with the really neat bench seat in the front...
L8R
Skip
Oh yeah, Ruta? Wait'll *you* hafta switch from your walker to your
ski. That's why I hate Nautique platforms; they're just not big
enough! It really sucks when ya can't fit all four walker tips(feet)
on the platform.
Ain't you retired yet?
My landlord has waterskied behind a 1 HP rig..a horse!! He did it
with a pair of tricks and hooked the rope to the saddle horn.
You don't need much speed OR power, it has been done many times along
canals. Smooth take off and transitions can be problems, double-ups
are believed to be impossible.
My riding instructor has harsh comments for people who
"waterski" with their reigns (-:
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you're showing your age.
Can you ski behind a 50hp outboard? Maybe depending on boat weight,
people weight and ski design. Will you enjoy the experience? That
depends on your definition of skiing. Can you slalom behind a 50hp boat?
Not without dragging the boat sideways through the water once you
finally do make it out on a plane. But if that doesn't bother you, go
for it.
Everything depends on what experience you want to achieve. If you do
advance, you will get tired of it quickly. But if you are just someone
who wants to go fishing for a little while then ski back in while your
buddy dries, go for it.
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What I meant was, not many people would remember that bike. (I use to work on
them)
Old Fart
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That was the first real motocrosser I ever had. A 1973 CR250M----$1278.65 (
That was a fast ride ) In 1974 I was pumping gas on the thruway when one of
Honda's factory riders and R&D test guy came in for the Elsinore. Bruce Baron
was his name. Well they got careless filling their motorhome and sprayed a
little gas on the pilotlight to their stove and up in flames it went. ( we put
it out) more useless trivia
I traded that bike for a Combat Wombat.
PABATCO=Pacific Basin Trading Company
You won't be doing any tournament skiing even with a 100hp. Most people
here would probably pass at the idea of skiing behind a 75hp boat, except as
the occasional amusement. Based on that I'd say you have the most
experience in enjoying skiing with an underpowered boat. So you are really
the expert here.
> Thanks for your responses, everyone. And sorry, I didn't mean to sound
> harsh at times, I was just very surprised to hear people telling me that I
> need 100+ hp. But I think that I have it sorted out now.
What's suprising is that you haven't grasped that people who think of skiing
as an even semi serious hobby or sport would consider what you want to be a
waste of time and money. Rather than trying to find the min HP, you should
be looking for a way to get the most HP for the money you can afford to
spend.
Tricked skied in a ditch behind a car back in the 70's
Actually I wakeboard several times a week with what I think is about 80 HP.
Not only that, but it can pull 6 skiers/boarders at the same time. It's
called a cable.
Back in my 30s, slalomn, deep water start, behind a 35HP on a 13.5 ft. Boston
Whaler. ;) I think if I had kept both feet in I wouldn't have been able to do
it.
Jeanne
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Hi Reg, that was my much larger 16 ft. Baja. :)
Jeanne
Dave
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