opinions please- clincher gloves
gsk
I first want to let everbody know that I an NOT a waterskier, I am
a windsurfer but there seems to be a common need in both sports to
relieve stress on the hands and forearms while gripping. For us
(windsurfers) it's the boom which is attatched to the sail, for
you guys (waterskiers) it's the handles attached to the rope. Both
are round & griped in the palm of the hand. These "Clinchers" that use a
small piece of dowel anchored in a wide nylon webbing strap attached to
another strap that velcro's around the wrist may have an application
in windsurfing. My questions are:
Do they allow you to ski longer?
Are they cumbersome to use?
Thanks in advance
Charles Starr
st...@acuson.com
Jeff Odell
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>From: st...@acuson.com (gsk)
>Subject: opinions please- clincher gloves
>Message-ID: <1994Aug23.2...@acuson.com>
>Summary: Do they work?
>Keywords: clincer gloves
>Organization: Acuson; Mountain View, California
>Distribution: rec.sport.waterski
>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 1994 23:12:38 GMT
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>Hi everbody,
> Thanks in advance
> Charles Starr
> st...@acuson.com
In my opinion, clincher gloves are a little bit dangerous for use in
waterskiing. If the skier was to fall, he might not be able to release the
handle.
I guess they would be helpful in Wind Surfing because they should releive some
of the strain on the forearms. Also the risk of injury should be lower.
Jeff
Barefootr
writes:
<<< These "Clinchers" that use a small piece of dowel anchored in a wide
nylon webbing strap attached to another strap that velcro's around the
wrist may have an application in windsurfing. My questions are:
Do they allow you to ski longer?
Are they cumbersome to use?>>>
Well, I tried them for skiing once, and found that to release the handle
and then regrab it was a major pain. I use the regular clinchers instead,
which provide a nice wide wrist band. For long hauls of just hanging on,
the "original clinchers" (as they are called) might work for you, but keep
in mind that they are designed to hold a small diameter bar, not the size
of a windsurfer tube...unless the tube's have gotten smaller since I saw
them.
Hope that helps,
Bare.
John P. Nelson
Just as a side note, I used to work (as a water ski instructor) for the man who
invented the original clincher, Peter Reitz. The purpose of the glove is to
increase the strength of your grip by putting the strain on your wrist instead of
your fingers, and to force your fingers into a curl. In theory, i suppose its a
good idea. They even work ok. The only way to make them work really well,
however, is to make them too d*mn tight.
As my boss was the inventor, he insisted that we wear them all the time... I
never liked them much for slalom cuz its hard to let go, but I used them for
jumping (for the same reason I don't like them for slalom)
BTW: I am desparatly seeking ski time!! I will happily share gas costs, give
lessons, etc., to anyone who can give me a pull!
jne...@lonestar.utsa.edu Former member of the
University of Texas at San Antonio Chain Skimmers Water Ski Show Team
Customer Technical Services in Eagle River, Wi.
Bill Walker
[How well do Clincher(tm) gloves work for waterskiing, and would they work
for windsurfing]
My wife was having all kinds of problems with not being able to hang on to
the rope during starts (which frankly I think was due more to poor
technique than lack of grip, but would she listen? Noooo). She got some
Clinchers and swears by them (and once she had a consistent grip, she was
able to notice the problems in her technique and correct them). She feels
she can ski much longer with them.
She convinced me to get a pair, and I find I don't really like them. As
somebody mentioned, they're a bit awkward if you're letting go with one
hand for your slalom turns (my wife isn't), and I just find that I can't
feel what's going on as well. I still use them occasionally, when my grip
is tired (e.g., towards the end of our 1-week waterski vacation), but I
prefer normal gloves most of the time.
Letting go when falling really isn't a problem with them. All it takes is
just a very slight outward pressure to release the line. In fact, I've
even had the line pulled out of my hands while wearing Clinchers, when I
turned too far and got too much angle, with no ill effects.
Would they work for windsurfing? As somebody mentioned, probably not
unless your boom is about the same diameter as a waterski handle, which
would be an unusually thin boom, in my experience. Neither of us have
tried the Clinchers for windsurfing, though we use conventional waterski
gloves.
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Tony Felber
: In article <1994Aug23.2...@acuson.com>, st...@acuson.com (gsk)
: writes:
: <<< These "Clinchers" that use a small piece of dowel anchored in a wide
: nylon webbing strap attached to another strap that velcro's around the
: wrist may have an application in windsurfing. My questions are:
: Do they allow you to ski longer?
: Are they cumbersome to use?>>
I've used the clincher's for about two years now. My left hand has some muscular atrophy
and I used to have a problem getting up slalom so I would get up tandem and kick one off.
A friend of mine had a pair so I tried them. I have no problem getting up now and if you
trap the dowel around the handle with your thumb you can hold on forever. I don't have
any problem letting go or re-grabbing after I do. The only problems I've experienced are
getting into a boot with them on (due to your middle two fingers being sown together) and
being able to feel the handle when you are grabbing for it blind i.e. doing ariel stunts
like 360's (this is due to the thicker material on the palms than most gloves. Would I
recommed them??? You better believe it, I think they are the best gloves on the market.
Tony.
Bill Walker
Felber) wrote:
[...]
> I've used the clincher's for about two years now. My left hand has some
muscular atrophy
> and I used to have a problem getting up slalom
which reminds me of a point I forgot to mention in my original post. We
had a friend we were trying to get up on a slalom ski, and due to
arthritis in his hands he was not able to hang on, and his hands were sore
for days afterwards. We got him some Clinchers and he was able to get up,
skied a number of times, and had no soreness in his hands afterwards.
(I know this is not of particular interest to the original poster, who
wondered about their suitability for windsurfing, but it may be of
interest to others following the thread).
co0kIe m0nsTeR
opinion, becasue when i fell with them on.. the impact just makes the
handle fly out of your hand... i mean all that strap is is Extra grip..
it doesnt attach you to the handle... and with those gloves.. you dont
want to grip the handle.. just loosly put your hand around it... and the
glove does the rest.. and if theres any fall.. the handle falls out
easy.. anyway.. just my 2 cents
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Jeff King
I own a pair of clinchers, bought last year when 1 only skiied about
once a month. I was finding that my forearms were tiring first when
I skiied and figured the clinchers would help me ski longer. They
totally work...after I bought them, I skiied much longer per turn.
The problem was that it is difficult to make the release and grab with
them. After your sloam turn the nylon/dowel thing gets in the way
of a good grip for the pull after the turn. You really have to
concentrate on getting a good grip and this was unacceptable for
quick turns.
I ski almost every week now and have discontinued use. I may use them
again at the beginning of next season, to get me in shape again.
Anyway, IMO There is absolutly NO DANGER in not being able to let go.
This is a statement made by someone who obviously has never used them.
As soon as your hand opens the rope will fly out, its just much easier
to hang on, because the pull is now on your wrist bones/tendons etc.
and does not require as much strength from your forearms.
I think they would be great for windsurfing (I've windsurfed twice)
except that because the bar on the boom/mast is thicker than the
waterskiiers rope handle they may not work as well. Test them out
on a pole or something at the store and you'll see what I mean.
Later,
Jeff King
acss...@eku.acs.eku.edu
> In article <33tcfu$7...@news.asu.edu>, to...@Elan.aircrew.asu.edu (Tony
> Felber) wrote:
> [...]
I've had Clinchers for about 3 years, my wife has had her's for about 2
years. She won't ski with out them. It doesn't make that much difference
to me most of the time. We only free ski and don't have to let go or
re-grasp the handle. They are great for hanging on though. You can be
totally worn out, put these things on and keep on skiing. If they fit
you correctly (snug) and are the right length in the fingers (a bit
short) you can hang on they will almost hang on to the rope by
themselves. There is no danger of them catching on the rope and not
letting go in a fall though... they will release. Note that they do
stretch a bit when wet, so if trying them on dry, allow for this.
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