TIGE BOATS - thanks
redmiston
thanks. All the input was great and caused me to look very hard
at boats not on my original list.
I did, however, decide to get the Tige 2002 after all. Placed the
order on Tuesday. IMHO, it is still the best in terms of PRICE,
PERFORMANCE and QUALITY. Their new gadget - TAPS is incredible.
For you current Tige owners, if you can find a way to take advantage
of Tige's retro offer - DO IT. you won't regret it.
thanks again to all...you've put me in debt up to my eyeballs:)
Greg Wait
>To all who responded to my Tige post for info a month or so ago...
>thanks. All the input was great and caused me to look very hard
>at boats not on my original list.
>I did, however, decide to get the Tige 2002 after all. Placed the
>order on Tuesday. IMHO, it is still the best in terms of PRICE,
>PERFORMANCE and QUALITY. Their new gadget - TAPS is incredible.
For those of us who don't have the info in front of us - what is TAPS? Is that
the system for adjusting the wake on the fly? How does it work?
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Stephan Varty
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>For those of us who don't have the info in front of us - what is TAPS? Is that
>the system for adjusting the wake on the fly? How does it work?
I think that you are right Greg it sounds like a hydraulically
adjstable plate on the hull. I think it sounds like an excellent idea
for getting better wakes for multiple uses.
As an interesting aside, I remember a 1993 issue of Waterski which
had an article called the boat of the fututre and one of the feautres
of this Dream boat was adjustable hull hardware that would change the
wake for different events on the fly. One concern they mentioned
there was the potential for lack of consistency from person to person
in tournaments. Are the new Tiges AWSA approved towboats?
Stephan
Carver
writes:
>redmiston <redm...@mcimail.com> wrote:
>
>For those of us who don't have the info in front of us - what is TAPS?
It's a musical composition...usually heard at funerals...lately I hear
it alot around the new Mastercraft hull molds....
Just throwin' a little petrol on the conflagration...thought it was
goin' out.
pete
94 MC PS190
Thomas Carlson
Barefootr
adjstable plate on the hull.>>>
TAPS is Tige's answer to a trick wake. Using a single Bennett trim tab in
place of the flat plate on the transom, they use a dash mounted switch to
adjust it up or down, influencing the wake characteristics to a larger
size. I just had the chance to play with a boat using a similar tab, and
my conclusion is that if you have a boat that will produce a good slalom
and trick wake to begin with, it will never get better with a trim tab. On
the other hand, if you have a hull design that only offers good wakes in
one area, the tab would be benificial.
<<<Are the new Tiges AWSA approved towboats?>>>
No. The trim tab setup eliminates the possibility of consistent
settings....therefore each skier might receive a different wake.
Bare. :)
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Bill Walker
(Barefootr) wrote:
[... re Tige's TAPS wake-adjusting trim tab]
> I just had the chance to play with a boat using a similar tab, and
> my conclusion is that if you have a boat that will produce a good slalom
> and trick wake to begin with, it will never get better with a trim tab. On
> the other hand, if you have a hull design that only offers good wakes in
> one area, the tab would be benificial.
I haven't tried one of the new boats with TAPS yet, but I have tried
adjusting the wake plate on my '94 Tige' 2002. Raising the plate made
very little difference in the slalom wake. The only effect was that the
rooster tail got bigger and reached farther back (which was a little
annoying. It would spray your legs if you were straight behind the boat
at 15 off, which I didn't really mind, since I don't spend much time
there, but it bothers my wife). But it had a significant effect on the
wake shape at tricking/boarding speeds, giving a shape that provided much
better lift. So in this case, starting with a boat that has excellent
slalom wakes and fairly poor boarding/tricking wakes, the adjustment gives
you a boat with excellent slalom wakes and halfway decent
boarding/tricking wakes.
Since adjusting the plate on my boat requires using wrenches to turn nuts
and turnbuckles, it's a trial-and-error process. I'm still looking for
the best compromise between boarding wakes and slalom rooster tail. TAPS
(which stands for Tige' Adjustable Performance System, if I recall
correctly) sounds like a good idea to me, but I didn't have the $650 the
dealer wants to retrofit it to older boats burning a hole in my pocket
(and that's the pre-Christmas special. It goes up to $900 or something
like that after 1 Jan. Seems like a lot of money to install a hydraulic
trim tab, although I suppose it includes a position indicator).
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mi...@austin.ibm.com
><<<Are the new Tiges AWSA approved towboats?>>>
>
>No. The trim tab setup eliminates the possibility of consistent
>settings....therefore each skier might receive a different wake.
This may be a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway.
Can't you simply leave the trim tab in the same position for ALL
skiers? OR, can't you trust the hydraulics to keep the trim tab
locked in place?
There are outboards and I/O's with hydraulic drive position adjustments
that are AWSA approved. In these cases, is the outboard/outdrive
locked into position independent of the hydraulics?
I know Tige is not even seeking AWSA approval of their boats, but
these 'consistent settings' questions are interesting.
Regards,
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Goodbdy
Correctcraft but the adjustable wake on the Tige gives me lower slalom
wakes and my son and I both can Wakeboard with a touch of a button. I was
also impressed with the new Prostar 190 but like the adjustable wakes and
price ot the Tige. Still have not bought but leaning Tige.
HF
redmiston
While I haven't taken delivery of my Tige yet, I still think it's a
good decision. I tested them "all" and Tige was the winner. The
kicker was TAPS and the responses I got from members of this group.
Specific thanks to T.P. in the Northwest and B.W. in the San Diego
area. You guys added the human touch - the boat did the rest.
I don't know your primary use of the boat but for me, the 2002 fits
ALL my needs. It would be hard to go wrong with a Tige. Im confident
I will be able to say the same thing some years down the road.
And NO, I don't work for Tige.
....good luck......rex
Marc Karstaedt
tried it yet)it certainly will address a major weekness in the Tige
boats if you are into wakeboarding as well as slalom.
m
Greg Wait
>m
I find the idea of TAPS very interesting, being both an avid (albeit beginner)
slalom skier and kneeboarder, but I am a little concerned about Shannon
Starling's comments about the system in this month's Waterski. He said that
when the TAPS system is employed to create a larger wake, a lot of white water
is generated which obscures the profile of the wake. He found it difficult to
guage the position of the wake as he approached it from outside. This is no
small issue for wake-trick sports like kneeboarding and wakeboarding. Of
course it might simply be a matter of getting used to the wake.
Of course the overall comments about TAPS have been very enthusiastic. Seems
the people who have test-driven the system and posted about it here were
impressed, so who can say.
Oh, BTW - the new Waterski ratings are little more than full page adds. They
don't even rate the boats in any category. What a bunch of fluff! I was very
disappointed. I personally couldn't care less about how many sheets of roving
they used in the floor. I want quantified data on how the boat performed, not
a page of "impressions" and stats like length and gross weight.
Waterski really blew it this time.
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Greg Wait (z0...@ix.netcom.com)
Barefootr
a lot of white water is generated which obscures the profile of the wake.
He found it difficult to guage the position of the wake as he approached
it from outside. This is no small issue for wake-trick sports like
kneeboarding and wakeboarding. Of course it might simply be a matter of
getting used to the wake.>>>>
Greg, this is what I had found on the boat I tested with a hydraulic
adjustable tab. Very little movement in the tab creates differences, and
then instantly trashes the wake, in my opinion. Hull design can accomplish
great trick & slalom wakes, whereas the trim tab seems to make a
compromise towards a trick wake....but doesn't reach it.
As I stated before, they need more refinement before doing a good job at
what they are supposed to be doing. Better hulls exist already.
<<<Oh, BTW - the new Waterski ratings are little more than full page adds.
They don't even rate the boats in any category. What a bunch of fluff!
I was very disappointed.>>>>
I agree Greg...very disappointing. So...where's SKIBOAT's stance on this
issue? <grin>
John
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><<<Oh, BTW - the new Waterski ratings are little more than full page adds.
> They don't even rate the boats in any category. What a bunch of fluff!
>I was very disappointed.>>>>
I'll second the disappointing boat tests.
>I agree Greg...very disappointing. So...where's SKIBOAT's stance on this
>issue? <grin>
I think they did .. not one CC add in that issue... ;-)
Russ.eng
fairly sophisticated group which knows when they are being
shaded? I didn't find one critical comment in the boat buyer's
guide issue regarding anything. They made a big deal about how
qualified the test group was, and then mealymouthed the
review on every boat, just like a bunch of politicians wanting
advertising dollars instead of votes. Too bad they don't tell it
like it is to truly guide boat buyers.
Dennis Younker
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that! After reading a few pages
into the article and noticing that, I started skipping through it a lot
quicker! I also noticed an occasional contradiction, like "soft wakes" under
the waterski review and "hard wakes" under the wakeboarding review. This
despite the waterski review seems to go thru the speeds used by wakeboarders
also.
rcsan...@mmm.com
>
> Doesn't anybody at Waterski Magazine realize that skiiers are a
> fairly sophisticated group which knows when they are being
> shaded? I didn't find one critical comment in the boat buyer's
> guide issue regarding anything. They made a big deal about how
> qualified the test group was, and then mealymouthed the
> review on every boat, just like a bunch of politicians wanting
> advertising dollars instead of votes. Too bad they don't tell it
> like it is to truly guide boat buyers.
I totally agree! I was so disappointed in this issue, that I don't even
care about the outboard and stern-drive reviews coming up. I'm just
waiting for the new SkiBoat Mag. to come out. Did anyone notice that MB
Sports already is using the test report from SkiBoat in their ad copy?
It's just too bad that WaterSki has to please everyone. Especially since
AWSA has the real voice on what boat is worth skiing behind.
R. C. Sanders
Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of 3M.
Marc Karstaedt
manufacturer for a spec sheet.
Mike Bowen
critical reviews I seen on boat tests. Unfortunately the don't
review the boats from a skier's point of view. They do tell it
like it is from a quality and boating stand point. And I don't
believe they charge a fee for there services.
Hot Boat kind of takes a negative slant occasionaly from the
limited use and performance of the tournament boat, but the
tournament scene is there bread and butter.
I don't think I'll be renewing WS. Tired of PWC's, Slalom
article reruns and lack of solid usefull info.