Big Lake Open Water Ski Boat Recommendatons
Ken Daughters
lake with expensive homes on the shoreline. It is over 8 miles long, has
5000 acres, and is 104 feet deep. I brought my Ski Nautique, and a friend
of mine brought his 22 ft OB I/O Falcon by Thunderbird. We alternated
skiing each other's boats depending upon conditions. His boat was certainly
better at handling the afternoon chop. But in spite of his duo prop drive,
his boat just didn't have anything close to the pulling power of my SN.
Just to pull up his daughter on a slalom he had to send two out of the five
of us in the boat to the bow. The situation got me wondering. I know some
of the folks with homes on Geneva Lake are rich enough to own two boats: a
tournament inboard for 6:00 a.m., and a deep-vee with high gunwales for the
afternoon. What would be the best compromise for a one boat family on that
lake? Which are the best ski boats for open water skiing all day on big
lakes?
EFW5414
>of the folks with homes on Geneva Lake are rich enough to own two boats
Life is tough
>What would be the best compromise for a one boat family on that
>lake?
As soon as you find out tell me would you? I heard the 98Bayliner Capri's are
supposed to be excellent for a do all boat . With the fuel injected 5 litre.But
that is the million$ question.
erich zellmer
Jay Kozak
Ken,
My brother has a 97 Sunsetter. In my opinion, it is one of the best all
around ski/family boats. It has a great wake, plenty of HP to foot, and
handles rough water well. For the second year in a row, he had it out
on
Lake Michigan for the Chicago Air and water show. He had six people in
the
boat with no problems. He could go about 20mph before starting to
bang the water. Just envision the size of the wake those 30-50 footers
make, and being able to go through them in a tourney boat. Great boat.
Jay
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>, "Ken Daughters" <KDaug...@emmaus1.edu> wrote:
> I spent a week in July on Geneva Lake in Wisconsin, a beautiful, clear water
> lake with expensive homes on the shoreline. It is over 8 miles long, has
> 5000 acres, and is 104 feet deep. I brought my Ski Nautique, and a friend
> of mine brought his 22 ft OB I/O Falcon by Thunderbird. We alternated
> skiing each other's boats depending upon conditions. His boat was certainly
> better at handling the afternoon chop. But in spite of his duo prop drive,
> his boat just didn't have anything close to the pulling power of my SN.
> Just to pull up his daughter on a slalom he had to send two out of the five
> of us in the boat to the bow. The situation got me wondering. I know some
> of the folks with homes on Geneva Lake are rich enough to own two boats: a
> tournament inboard for 6:00 a.m., and a deep-vee with high gunwales for the
> afternoon. What would be the best compromise for a one boat family on that
> lake? Which are the best ski boats for open water skiing all day on big
> lakes?
The Malibu SV23 bottom should be the best rough water boat, for an inboard.
Nothing can match the rough water ride and handling of a V-bottom I/O. The
faster you go, the better they ride. Being able to trim the running attitude
really helps, too. Some I/O's bowrise worse than others. It has alot to do
with the bottom design, and vertical positioning of the drive. I've been in
some I/O's that do very well in this area, such as the Hallet Vector. Others
are terrible.
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Duff Delwiche
Nautique SS. both have higher gunwales and are more apt at handling this
type of water.
I have a 21' Maristar and am constantly impressed by roughwater handling.
Ken Daughters wrote in message
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Bill
> Maristars.........More like a runabout with the tournament style hull,<snip>
Yea, & they come complete with the horrible porpoising problem.
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ray_pulley
>
>Duff Delwiche wrote:
>
>> Maristars.........More like a runabout with the tournament style hull,<snip>
>
>Yea, & they come complete with the horrible porpoising problem.
>
>--
Please elaborate. Any specific years? What conditions? Most problems like this
are fairly easily fixed by playing with the hook at or near the stern, and maybe
the prop or shaft angle, or all of the above in combination.
What, is MC asleep or just suffering from the typical market leading corporate
bloat that befalls many good products/companies?
The bottom line is that for the question originally raised, a bigger inboard
(higher freeboard, more beam, and more length than pure tourney's) with a
reasonable amount of deadrise at the transom will do well in bigger water
conditions. Open bows, of course are less seaworthy than closed, in general.
IMHO, the tourney style boat will never be as versatile in big water as a true
deep vee with a steerable and trimmable drive system, which, in turn, will
rarely if ever, accelerate, track, or provide the wake and pull of the Tourney
style boat big or small.
Alas, life is always a trade-off.
Drive it some before ya buy and choose what best fits your needs and budget.
Ray
Ed Dunn
Andrew Williams
enough vee in the forend to break the rollers enough to allow the skier
to have a more comfortable ride in the wake, and its also good for a
family (having the open bow). The wakes are as perfect as any I've
skied before, and I've skied behind most of the best boats including
several Nautique years and many MC years. The only problem of course
is, no matter what boat you have, even if it's a real deep vee with 500
hp, once you get outside the wakes (and slalom is no fun otherwise in my
opinion) then you have to contend with the rollers and the chop, and no
boat in the world is going to improve those conditions. When I'm
pulling a new skier who likes to stay in the wake, then I'll drive right
over the rollers, but if I'm skiing and the conditions are that bad then
I'd rather just go home.
AW
Tom Ruta
<KDaug...@emmaus1.edu> wrote:
>I spent a week in July on Geneva Lake in Wisconsin, a beautiful, clear water
>lake with expensive homes on the shoreline. It is over 8 miles long, has
>5000 acres, and is 104 feet deep.
Up here on Shuswap Lake in BC, we have about a 1000 miles of shoreline
on a lake with 4 arms each about 40-60 miles long; lake is up to 400
ft deep. A couple or three miles wide so winds can really kick up the
water.
As a result, my boat shopping has looked at inboards that really
handle big water. FWIW, the Malibu Sunsetter and MB 210 seem to ride
best (see another post on the Malibu and MB tests).
>.... The situation got me wondering. I know some
>of the folks with homes on Geneva Lake are rich enough to own two boats: a
>tournament inboard for 6:00 a.m., and a deep-vee with high gunwales for the
>afternoon.
While that is not only a colossal waste of cash, I can't imagine
bothering with two waxing jobs, two different trailers, etc. MHO.
> What would be the best compromise for a one boat family on that
>lake? Which are the best ski boats for open water skiing all day on big
>lakes?
>
You need good freeboard, a v front with some dead rise and lots of
horses (to outrun the really ad stuff!)
Tom
life_...@hotmail.com
Andrew Williams <aw...@www.trb.ayuda.com> wrote:
> The only problem of course
> is, no matter what boat you have, even if it's a real deep vee with 500
> hp, once you get outside the wakes (and slalom is no fun otherwise in my
> opinion) then you have to contend with the rollers and the chop, and no
> boat in the world is going to improve those conditions. When I'm
> pulling a new skier who likes to stay in the wake, then I'll drive right
> over the rollers, but if I'm skiing and the conditions are that bad then
> I'd rather just go home.
Ideal conditions for a Maha longboard. You're nearly invincible riding one
(-:
ray_pulley
>
>Try a Sanger for an real inboard ski boat that can handle a good choppy day.
You're right Ed in that the Sanger carries 16 degrees of vee at the transom
(with a semi-flat pad) but the Sanger designs do tend to be lower slung than
many other "family type" tourneys.
Ray
ray_pulley
>
>I've been very happy with my 98 MC Prostar 205 (open bow). It has just
>enough vee in the forend to break the rollers enough to allow the skier
>to have a more comfortable ride in the wake, and its also good for a
>family (having the open bow). The wakes are as perfect as any I've
>skied before, and I've skied behind most of the best boats including
>is, no matter what boat you have, even if it's a real deep vee with 500
>hp, once you get outside the wakes (and slalom is no fun otherwise in my
>opinion) then you have to contend with the rollers and the chop, and no
>boat in the world is going to improve those conditions. When I'm
>pulling a new skier who likes to stay in the wake, then I'll drive right
>over the rollers, but if I'm skiing and the conditions are that bad then
>I'd rather just go home.
>
Lifespeed would suggest getting a "real" ski (read longboard) and jumping the
rollers at 50 mph instead of going home!
Ray
Tom Ruta
...
>What, is MC asleep or just suffering from the typical market leading corporate
>bloat that befalls many good products/companies?
>
Pother than the Prostar 190 division which seems to be the [product of
alien abduction, they seem to have all their ducks lined up. I'm
checking a few out next week : will post accordingly/
>The bottom line is that for the question originally raised, a bigger inboard
>(higher freeboard, more beam, and more length than pure tourney's) with a
>reasonable amount of deadrise at the transom will do well in bigger water
>conditions. Open bows, of course are less seaworthy than closed, in general.
Then explain Boston Whaler please. <g>
Tom
Dennis Kreuzenstein
>In article <35EF2A...@www.trb.ayuda.com>,
> Andrew Williams <aw...@www.trb.ayuda.com> wrote:
>> The only problem of course
>> is, no matter what boat you have, even if it's a real deep vee with 500
>> hp, once you get outside the wakes (and slalom is no fun otherwise in my
>> opinion) then you have to contend with the rollers and the chop, and no
>> boat in the world is going to improve those conditions. When I'm
>> pulling a new skier who likes to stay in the wake, then I'll drive right
>> over the rollers, but if I'm skiing and the conditions are that bad then
>> I'd rather just go home.
>
>life_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>Ideal conditions for a Maha longboard. You're nearly invincible riding one
>(-:
I believe that is why Ken is looking for a dual purpose boat. Based on another post he has a Classic
Wood MAHA longboard.
It's too bad that more slalom skiers don't give a longboard a try. That way they could ski rather
than going home.
-Dennis-
Jeff Saxton
cuts through the chop. We barefoot and wally around on the Calif Delta
and consistantly encounter rollers made by 30-50 foot cruisers, the Sangers
handle it with no problem.
BTW: Look for Sanger to come out with an I/O based on the V210 Hull next year.
EFW5414
>cuts through the chop.
How are the shortline wakes on those ? I would think that you cant have
everything with 16 deg, of deadrise .
KENGIBBONS
one was hurt.
I stopped by my dealer's place to see what was up. One of the boats in his lot
was fuel injected, but the transom was covered with soot from running rich. I
asked what was going on, and he said that some of the EFI engine sensors got a
little out of whack, and it defaulted to self preservation rich mode.
I asked how the sensors got out of whack, and with a grin he said they "got
wet". The owner was at Lake Powell, and got in one of those famous desert
thunder storms. He was pulling the tourney boat and a couple of PWCs behind a
houseboat in the storm. The PWCs broke loose, and he sent his brother-in -law
in the tourney boat to rescue them. The BIL didn't know how to handle a
tourney boat in rough water, and took rollers over the front which eventually
swamped it. The owner said he looked back, and the only thing left above the
water line was the windsheild and his BIL balancing on top of the motor box in
in the boat being tossed about by the waves.
Yeah, it was a MasterCraft 205. But I can think of a lot of other boats with
lower noses that would take on water easier. At least it didn't sink!
EFW5414
And once it dries out it is as good as new with no wood.
Tom Ruta
>... The BIL didn't know how to handle a
>tourney boat in rough water, and took rollers over the front which eventually
>swamped it. The owner said he looked back, and the only thing left above the
>water line was the windsheild and his BIL balancing on top of the motor box in
>in the boat being tossed about by the waves.
Where is the BIL buried? <g>
Tom
ray_pulley
Well, kinda like one method of birth control, I guess, foam! Good boats if you
like to fish or have a bigger one to tie it on to! Not on my list of tow boats,
however!
Ray
Ken Daughters
a MasterCraft man. No one could tell a story like that, making his model of
boat the butt of a joke, without being open-minded.
Ken, since you are experienced in the rollers of Lake Powell, how does the
205 handle them? Do you feel safe?
Ken Daughters
KENGIBBONS wrote in message
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>This is just a humorous side note to this thread. Well, humorous to me,
and no
>one was hurt.
>Yeah, it was a MasterCraft 205. But I can think of a lot of other boats
with
>lower noses that would take on water easier. At least it didn't sink!
>
>
KENGIBBONS
>I think this post should quiet anyone who thinks that Ken Gibbons is blindly
>a MasterCraft man. No one could tell a story like that, making his model of
>boat the butt of a joke, without being open-minded.
I'm not blindly MasterCraft, but I do need contacts :-)
>Ken, since you are experienced in the rollers of Lake Powell, how does the
>205 handle them? Do you feel safe?
To be honest, I hate any big water with the 205 if storms are a possibility. I
think it would be a worse feeling in Echelon we looked at, and maybe better in
a Sport. But not much. These boats do well at what they are designed for, but
are really marginal in the dangerous rough.
The worst water we ever took on was self inflicted, I wanted to see how it
would handle the rollers from a giant wally, so I pulled up parallel to them
and stopped. The waves came right in the boat, and filled us about a foot
deep. Duh. No problem, the bilge pump eventually cleaned it out. Right then
I decided to put in a second bilge pump at the back like CC does.
The worst storm ever was at Lake Mead. A blue ski wind storm came up that put
up 6 foot rollers, and we had to drive straight into them to get to the ramp.
The 205 did ok, I had to apply throttle coming off the down side to keep from
stabbing the nose into the next, and let up going up the up side to keep from
gaining to much speed. Another driver may not have been so luckey. Of
particular comfort was my trust in the LT-1, know that it would keep on
cranking flawlessly as it has for 465 hours. When I was a boy, my dad would
really freak at storms, switching to a fresh tank of gas and hoping the
outboard wouldn't burp in the beating.
And finally, the worst part of storms for me is loading the boat. My wife will
not learn how to back the truck down the ramp, so I have to jump off at the
dock and watch helplessly as she tries to navigate onto the trailer in the wind
and rollers. I keep telling her that it is much easier to drive the truck in
the wind than the boat.
ray_pulley
<D25F4E735780D9A5.A39610CF...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
"Ken says...
>
>I think this post should quiet anyone who thinks that Ken Gibbons is blindly
>a MasterCraft man. No one could tell a story like that, making his model of
>boat the butt of a joke, without being open-minded.
>
Ray