Wakeboards and weight of Malibu Echelon
John Reed
going to make a decision in the next few weeks. One can't be over prepared
for Summer!!
Additionally, just out of curiosity, how much do you think a 1993 Malibu
Echelon AND it's tandem trailer weigh? Just curious. The truck (Tahoe)
tows it fine, just something I have always wondered..
Also, if anybody has a Malibu Echelon (93 preferably), email me privately.
I have a question about a problem I am having on the onboard depth finder
(part of the computer).
Thanks!
jre...@hotmail.com
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Tom Ruta
>Additionally, just out of curiosity, how much do you think a 1993 Malibu
>Echelon AND it's tandem trailer weigh? Just curious.
About 3500 lbs.
>The truck (Tahoe)
>tows it fine, just something I have always wondered..
>
I tow my response on a single with (gasp) a Dodge Grand
Caravan (not long distances)
>Also, if anybody has a Malibu Echelon (93 preferably), email me privately.
>I have a question about a problem I am having on the onboard depth finder
>(part of the computer).
If you have the Computron dash - all I can say is good luck.
Tom
Rob Cail
days.I had it supposedly fixed 8 times.The factory is aware of the problem,
and if you whine enough they will probably fix it. However it won't work for
long. Rob
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> Thanks for all the messages on the wakeboard I am looking to buy. I am
> going to make a decision in the next few weeks. One can't be over
prepared
> for Summer!!
>
> tows it fine, just something I have always wondered..
>
> I have a question about a problem I am having on the onboard depth finder
> (part of the computer).
>
Gottapc
stopped working and displayed some wierd code
John Reed
some where around 1500). When I get below 1500 (idle speed) the blower
turns on, and the voltage drops quite a bit (from 14.1 to about 12). Last
Summer I replaced the alternator and the battery (battery was because it was
dead). The last thing I tried (per Malibu) was the blower itself, but I
haven't had a chance to get it back out on the water. Personally I don't
think it fixed it, but I could be wrong. It still dropped the voltage down,
but not as much. I am going to try to hook up a relay or something and run
a wire directly to the battery as I feel that the voltage is being pulled
directly off the same lead that feeds the computer. I find it hard to
believe that a blower could drop the voltage down over 2 volts.
Does it sound like I am on the right track?? In any case, it is definitely
directly related to the blower.
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Tom Ruta
>Here's the deal with my 93. It works, as long as I am above 1500 RPMS (or
>some where around 1500). When I get below 1500 (idle speed) the blower
>turns on, and the voltage drops quite a bit (from 14.1 to about 12). Last
>Summer I replaced the alternator and the battery (battery was because it was
>dead). The last thing I tried (per Malibu) was the blower itself, but I
>haven't had a chance to get it back out on the water. Personally I don't
>think it fixed it, but I could be wrong. It still dropped the voltage down,
>but not as much. I am going to try to hook up a relay or something and run
>a wire directly to the battery as I feel that the voltage is being pulled
>directly off the same lead that feeds the computer. I find it hard to
>believe that a blower could drop the voltage down over 2 volts.
My 99 Response has the air/water/voltmeter and the digital
readout shows an incredible drop when the heater blower gets
turned on at idle.
Tom
Rod S
Was that digital air/water/voltmeter a special option on your boat?
Mine is the basic analog 4 gauge oil/temp/fuel/voltmeter. <g>
Rod
> My 99 Response has the air/water/voltmeter and the digital
> readout shows an incredible drop when the heater blower gets
> turned on at idle.
>
> Tom
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Tom Ruta
>Tom,
>Was that digital air/water/voltmeter a special option on your boat?
Nope - factory standard. It is a Lowrance 3001 (or is it
3003?) - OEM to Malibu. Has all sorts of cool options like
set point alarms (battery, temps, etc.) Not that I need
something to beep when the water is cold <g>
Tom
Rod S
All the ones I have seen have been the 3003.
Rod
Ah...
rutat
> Ahh...my misunderstanding. You are talking about the depth finder.
No - I am talking about the air/water TEMPERATURE guage. It has a
built-in voltmeter ann even a fourth unused sensor input (engine water
temperature? If I could figure out where to put a sensor) I like
knowing these sorts of things (see, dear, it sin't THAT cold!)
Tom
rutat
Tom Ruta
>Ahh...my misunderstanding. You are talking about the depth finder.
>All the ones I have seen have been the 3003.
No - I am talking about the air/water TEMPERATURE gauge. It
John Reed
It has a toggle button that cycles through the different sensors (air/water
temp, RPM's, speed, voltmeter, and a few others that I can't remember off
hand). Do you ever have any dropouts on your depth finder if your running
your heater blower and your engine blower? I can't remember if my heater
blower also causes the depthfinder to quite working. I'll have to try that
also...hmmm.
I might have to use Tim Butler's ruler idea when in shallow water ;-) The
bad thing about inboards, is if you run-aground, expect the worst....
Tom Ruta
...
>
>Right!!! I got it already!
Who the heck knows why that got posted multiple times -
you'd think I was talking to a manufacturer <g> Sorry!
Tom
Burning
wrote:
>Mine is doing the same thing. Your computer setup sounds similar to my 93.
>It has a toggle button that cycles through the different sensors (air/water
>temp, RPM's, speed, voltmeter, and a few others that I can't remember off
>hand). Do you ever have any dropouts on your depth finder if your running
>your heater blower and your engine blower? I can't remember if my heater
>blower also causes the depthfinder to quite working. I'll have to try that
>also...hmmm.
>
>I might have to use Tim Butler's ruler idea when in shallow water ;-) The
>bad thing about inboards, is if you run-aground, expect the worst....
No, the ruler was for the water temp! <vbg>
Ski now, Work Later
Brian
Rod S
> On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:09:24 GMT "Rod S" <rode...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ahh...my misunderstanding. You are talking about the depth finder.
>
> built-in voltmeter ann even a fourth unused sensor input (engine water
> temperature? If I could figure out where to put a sensor) I like
> knowing these sorts of things (see, dear, it sin't THAT cold!)
>
> Tom
Ooops, right I forgot they had a seperate air/water temp one.
Mine has air/temp/depth on one.
Rod
Rod S
> On Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:09:24 GMT "Rod S" <rode...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Ahh...my misunderstanding. You are talking about the depth finder.
>
> No - I am talking about the air/water TEMPERATURE guage. It has a
> built-in voltmeter ann even a fourth unused sensor input (engine water
> temperature? If I could figure out where to put a sensor) I like
> knowing these sorts of things (see, dear, it sin't THAT cold!)
>
> Tom
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>
Ok-I got it.
Rod S
> "Rod S" <rode...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Ahh...my misunderstanding. You are talking about the depth finder.
>
> has a built-in voltmeter ann even a fourth unused sensor
> input (engine water temperature? If I could figure out where
> to put a sensor) I like knowing these sorts of things (see,
> dear, it sin't THAT cold!)
>
> Tom
Right!!! I got it already!
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Rod S
> "Rod S" <rode...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Right!!! I got it already!
>
>
> you'd think I was talking to a manufacturer <g> Sorry!
>
> Tom
No- I'm thinking alzheimers <g>
Rod
Rob Cail
> Here's the deal with my 93. It works, as long as I am above 1500 RPMS (or
> some where around 1500). When I get below 1500 (idle speed) the blower
> turns on, and the voltage drops quite a bit (from 14.1 to about 12). Last
> Summer I replaced the alternator and the battery (battery was because it
was
> dead). The last thing I tried (per Malibu) was the blower itself, but I
> haven't had a chance to get it back out on the water. Personally I don't
> think it fixed it, but I could be wrong. It still dropped the voltage
down,
> but not as much. I am going to try to hook up a relay or something and
run
> a wire directly to the battery as I feel that the voltage is being pulled
> directly off the same lead that feeds the computer. I find it hard to
> believe that a blower could drop the voltage down over 2 volts.
>
Tom Ruta
>Well....actually Tom, the gauge is not "standard" equipment, but yes, it
>it "factory" equipment.
Not special order is what I meant. Malibu will not install
user equipment - i tried. although I wish they'd have put
white face gauges in my boat.
>above the base boat. Rod, the gauge is a Lowrance 3003, which is made
>only as OEM equipment last I knew.
Correct! No reference on the Lowrance site and the help
lines know nothing about it.
>It has 5 functions, of which 2 are
>redundant in a Malibu.
Only one - hour meter.
>Digital Clock, Outside Air
>Temp, Lake Water Temp, Hourmeter, Voltmeter. It's a really cool little
>unit that looks just like a depthfinder, but by pressing the mode
>button, you cycle through the different functions.
Where can I install an engine water temp gauge?
Tom
John Reed
> is it a 454??
Smooth Water Sports
above the base boat. Rod, the gauge is a Lowrance 3003, which is made
redundant in a Malibu. The functions are Digital Clock, Outside Air
Temp, Lake Water Temp, Hourmeter, Voltmeter. It's a really cool little
unit that looks just like a depthfinder, but by pressing the mode
button, you cycle through the different functions.
Now, if you really didn't need to know that, or want to, sorry! :)
Peter.
Smooth Water Sports
Tom Ruta wrote:
Smooth Water Sports
>redundant in a Malibu. >>>
<<<Only one - hour meter.>>>>>
Last time I looked at the 4 function gauge it has a volt-meter....just a
servo driven needle instead of a digital readout. Hence 2, the hour meter,
and the volt-meter.
Peter. :)
Tom Ruta wrote:
> Smooth Water Sports <Towb...@netheaven.com> wrote:
>
> >Well....actually Tom, the gauge is not "standard" equipment, but yes, it
> >it "factory" equipment.
>
> Not special order is what I meant. Malibu will not install
> user equipment - i tried. although I wish they'd have put
> white face gauges in my boat.
>
> >above the base boat. Rod, the gauge is a Lowrance 3003, which is made
> >only as OEM equipment last I knew.
>
> Correct! No reference on the Lowrance site and the help
> lines know nothing about it.
>
> >It has 5 functions, of which 2 are
> >redundant in a Malibu.
>
> Only one - hour meter.
>
> >Digital Clock, Outside Air
> >Temp, Lake Water Temp, Hourmeter, Voltmeter. It's a really cool little
> >unit that looks just like a depthfinder, but by pressing the mode
> >button, you cycle through the different functions.
>
Smooth Water Sports
Tom>>>
As in where to put the gauge, or the sender....or am I missing the point?
Peter. :)
Rod S
wrote:
> Well....actually Tom, the gauge is not "standard" equipment, but yes, it
> redundant in a Malibu. The functions are Digital Clock, Outside Air
> Temp, Lake Water Temp, Hourmeter, Voltmeter. It's a really cool little
> unit that looks just like a depthfinder, but by pressing the mode
> button, you cycle through the different functions.
>
Actually, I appreciate the clear concise explanation. FWIW I was at
the Malibu dealer the other day and was amazed at how much they want
for something that gives you air/water temp. I personally don't want
to know how cold it is because I may not get in the water then. :-)
Rod
>
> Peter.
> Smooth Water Sports
>
>
> Tom Ruta wrote:
>
> > "Rod S" <rode...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Tom,
> > >Was that digital air/water/voltmeter a special option on your boat?
> >
> > Nope - factory standard. It is a Lowrance 3001 (or is it
> > 3003?) - OEM to Malibu. Has all sorts of cool options like
> > set point alarms (battery, temps, etc.) Not that I need
> > something to beep when the water is cold <g>
> >
> > Tom
>
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Tom Ruta
><<<<>It has 5 functions, of which 2 are
>>redundant in a Malibu. >>>
>
><<<Only one - hour meter.>>>>>
>
>Last time I looked at the 4 function gauge it has a volt-meter....just a
>servo driven needle instead of a digital readout. Hence 2, the hour meter,
>and the volt-meter.
When the control module died (replaced by Kysor NC) the
Lowrance gauge continued to provide data.
Tom
Tim Harper
It was 38 in the water last Friday, so I'm sure you wouldn't want to be
skiing, even though the water was smooth. :-)
>Actually, I appreciate the clear concise explanation. FWIW I was at
>the Malibu dealer the other day and was amazed at how much they want
>for something that gives you air/water temp. I personally don't want
>to know how cold it is because I may not get in the water then. :-)
Can someone tell me how come the hour meter on the depth gauge is slightly
different from the tach hour meter? Is it something like our airplane, turn
the key to on and the depth gauge hour meter runs, even though the engine
isn't turned on whereas the tach meter only registers when the engine is
turning over?
Rod S
wrote:
> If you don't know how cold it is, then you can't scare your friends off. <g>
> It was 38 in the water last Friday, so I'm sure you wouldn't want to be
> skiing, even though the water was smooth. :-)
Hmmm...must be colder at your end of the lake then mine. It was 43
degrees over here. <g>
>
> >Actually, I appreciate the clear concise explanation. FWIW I was at
> >the Malibu dealer the other day and was amazed at how much they want
> >for something that gives you air/water temp. I personally don't want
> >to know how cold it is because I may not get in the water then. :-)
>
>
> Can someone tell me how come the hour meter on the depth gauge is slightly
> different from the tach hour meter? Is it something like our airplane, turn
> the key to on and the depth gauge hour meter runs, even though the engine
> isn't turned on whereas the tach meter only registers when the engine is
> turning over?
>
>
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Tom Ruta
...
>Actually, I appreciate the clear concise explanation. FWIW I was at
>the Malibu dealer the other day and was amazed at how much they want
>for something that gives you air/water temp. I personally don't want
>to know how cold it is because I may not get in the water then. :-)
A hundred and eighty bucks or so... nice bauble.
Tom
Rod S
> "Rod S" <rode...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
The dealer pulled the books and told me the air/temp was $250 and the
depth finder was $295. The stnd analog clock was $95. Sounds like
they were quoting me full retail and then some. (US $) I ordered the
latch for my platform and found some teak at a local woodworking supply
shop. Making a hatch will be my project this week.
Rod
Tom Ruta
...
>The dealer pulled the books and told me the air/temp was $250 and the
>depth finder was $295. The stnd analog clock was $95. Sounds like
>they were quoting me full retail and then some. (US $)
Bizarre. Overton's sells some nice depth/temp gauges for
about $130 bucks. I would expect to pay more due to the
installation at the factory, but those prices are
exorbitant.
>I ordered the
>latch for my platform and found some teak at a local woodworking supply
>shop. Making a hatch will be my project this week.
Neat! Write it up and post it somewhere (Wakecentral?)
Tom
Rhally
I HAVE A 94 ECHELON AND I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH MY DEPTH FINDER. IT'S REAL
UNRELIABLE WITH DEPTHS BOUNCING ALL OVER THE PLACE. HAVE CHOSEN JUST TO IGNORE
IT. BY THE WAY I HAVE TOWED MINE WITH MY WIFE'S ASTRO VAN WITH A V6 ENGINE AND
IT TOWED IT JUST FINE. A TAHOE SHOULD TOW IT NO PROBLEM. I BELIEVE THE WEIGHT
OF THE BOAT IS JUST UNDER 2800 LBS (OPEN BOW-NO TRAILER)
RICK