Tige' 21V Riders Edition best ski boat?
Freakaloin
the best marks to the tige' 21 riders edition. So what do u guys
think? It's cheaper then the nautique or master craft. Got much
better marks then the malibu. Are these good boats? How do they
compare to the best?
Geoff
Tom Ruta
wrote:
Here's a couple of questions to ponder...
- do I want wood in the internal construction my boat (Tige is the
only one of the bunch that still uses it)?
- does the fact that the boat was "top rated" by one of its own
sponsored riders intrigue me?
- how does one legally move a boat down the road that is wider (on
trailer) than any state/province allows without a special permit?
- do I care if it is not tournament approved?
- are the prices really apples to apples?
Tom
Mark Kovalcson
>
> Over at wake world (http://www.wakeworld.com/Boats/Tige.asp) they give
> the best marks to the tige' 21 riders edition. So what do u guys
> think?
I personally wouldn't know a good from a bad wakeboard wake, but I have
consistently heard very good things about the wakeboarding behind the
mid-80's CC 2001. My suggestion is that if you really don't know what
you want, you can save yourself a LOT of money and buy a used 2001 for
well under 10,000 and put a fat sack in it. After you have wakeboarded a
while and driven and skied a number of wake board boats you will have a
much better understanding of what you want and need in a boat. Also
beating up a used boat for the first couple of years will be less
stressfull than beating up a new boat. You will also get your money back
out of it pretty easily when you are done with it, and be able to play
with lots of equipment with money you saved. You could also take some
wakeboarding schools in Florida that use different boats and get some
instruction and real world experience wakeboarding behind them.
--
Mark Kovalcson
http://www.perfectpull.com
Waterski Training Equipment
Bret Hillier
Nautique recently in Florida. Both of them preferred the Wakesetter above
the other two.
Bret.
Freakaloin wrote in message <37f6d56b....@news.ispchannel.com>...
>Over at wake world (http://www.wakeworld.com/Boats/Tige.asp) they give
>the best marks to the tige' 21 riders edition. So what do u guys
>think? It's cheaper then the nautique or master craft. Got much
>better marks then the malibu. Are these good boats? How do they
>compare to the best?
>
>
>
>Geoff
thay...@my-deja.com
Maristars, particularly a midnineties 225. We're
advanced beginners to intermediate riders who are
looking for a V drive and to step up our
boarding. We boarded behind a Tige Riders
Edition this weekend. I loved it and maybe we'll
get one, but my wife couldn't handle the wake
size and it didn't seem possible to reduce it
enough for her. Can't seem to find any real
reviews of Maristars from a wakeboarder's
perspective. We'd install a tower for sure and a
fat sack or two if necessary.
Thanks for any advice.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Big Dav160
Texas. As far as V-drives go the wake is smaller and rounder but with nice
shape. We never added ballast other than people so I'd only assume that the
wake gets better with a bag or two. (my V-drive does nicely with a bag up
front).
A tower would be a welcome addition as the wakeboard storage is missing ( the
under seat compartment is not big enough) and the center pylon is not strong
enough for an extended pylon.
Also the intergrate platform is not as convienent as the external type and the
exhaust rumbles and vibrates the back of the boat because of it.
No center skags on this boat but handling really doesn't seem to suffer. It
does make it easier to beach.
Otherwise a nicely put together boat that has the look of a runabout but much
better ski-ability.
John Davies
--
John Davies
Saddle Mountain Waterski School
www.waterskiranch.com
800-754-2287
Freakaloin
>Here's a couple of questions to ponder...
>
>- do I want wood in the internal construction my boat (Tige is the
>only one of the bunch that still uses it)?
>- does the fact that the boat was "top rated" by one of its own
>sponsored riders intrigue me?
>- how does one legally move a boat down the road that is wider (on
>trailer) than any state/province allows without a special permit?
>- do I care if it is not tournament approved?
>- are the prices really apples to apples?
>
>Tom
After do mucho research and trips to the dealers...
-The wood is guarenteed for life.
-it's top rated by riders who have nothing to do with Tige'
-No special permits to pull the tige' here in Texas. And the boat is
huge<g>
-Tourney approved? Are u serious? Does it matter if the performance
is just as good. Are u sure it's not tourney approved?
-seems like u get more for your money with the Tige'
The boat is just bigger, holds way more weight, has a collapsible
tower(better chance of getting it in my garage), TAPS, much cheaper
and it has top notch performance for wakeboarding. Even the salesman
at the CC dealership admitted to me that Tige' makes a good boat.
Geoff
Paul Oman
> -Tourney approved? Are u serious? Does it matter if the performance
> is just as good. Are u sure it's not tourney approved?
List of approved boats is at:
http://awsa.com/Pages/divisions/3event/TowboatApproved99.html
As I understand it, Tige' can't be approved because with Taps, the hull
isn't fixed. Not something that would affect MY buying decision.
Tom Ruta
...
>After do mucho research and trips to the dealers...
>
>-The wood is guarenteed for life.
Good - including transport to the repair facility and loaner
boat?
>-it's top rated by riders who have nothing to do with Tige'
Not according to the Wakeworld site.
>-No special permits to pull the tige' here in Texas. And the boat is
>huge<g>
According to the NASBLA that beast would in fact require a
permit - at least by law. But after all we are talking
Texas here.
>-Tourney approved? Are u serious? Does it matter if the performance
>is just as good. Are u sure it's not tourney approved?
It isn't. And the only thing that _might_ be an issue is on
resale. You cut out part of the comp skier market. And who
knows when the AWSA will suddenly get their hooks into the
wake board world to make that a specific issue?
>-seems like u get more for your money with the Tige'
>
They sure do seem like a nice, if large boat. We see a few
up here and it looks like a well made boat.
>
>The boat is just bigger, holds way more weight, has a collapsible
>tower(better chance of getting it in my garage), TAPS, much cheaper
>and it has top notch performance for wakeboarding. Even the salesman
>at the CC dealership admitted to me that Tige' makes a good boat.
That is one open minded CC salesman.
Tom
Freakaloin
>Good - including transport to the repair facility and loaner
>boat?
>According to the NASBLA that beast would in fact require a
>permit - at least by law. But after all we are talking
>Texas here.
It would have to be about 6 more inches wide I believe to need a
permit.
>That is one open minded CC salesman.
yeah, he was a pro wakeboarder too...
Tom Ruta
>
>>Good - including transport to the repair facility and loaner
>>boat?
>yep
That is interesting to hear. When I spoke to the Tige guys
at the last boat show, they said no. Good for Tige.
>
>
>>According to the NASBLA that beast would in fact require a
>>permit - at least by law. But after all we are talking
>>Texas here.
>It would have to be about 6 more inches wide I believe to need a
>permit.
The 21V has a 100" beam, so unless your trailer has
removable guide posts (I've yet to see a comp boat trailer
like that from the factory), it'll exceed the maximum width
for Texas. And due to its size it'll need brakes (expected)
and side clearance lights (unexpected).
Tom
p.s. Be aware that a lot of other states have an 8 foot
width limit.
Scott Bennett
>
> -The wood is guarenteed for life.
That's good. Does that cover towing and/or salvaging and a loaner boat?
> -it's top rated by riders who have nothing to do with Tige'
Not according to the riders for WakeWorld.
Check out http://www.wakeworld.com/Boats/
> -No special permits to pull the tige' here in Texas. And the boat is
> huge<g>
You may want to check your width. In Texas 8'6" or 102" wide. The beam
on this boat is 100". That leaves a whole 2" for the wheels. The folks
pulling this boat around here certainly seem to have trailer wheels that
extend _way_ beyond the sides of the boat.
Boat Towing Laws in Texas
Boating Law Administrator: 512-389-4624
Maximum Speed Limit: 55
Maximum Dimensions for trailer:N/A'L x 8'6"W x 13'6"H
Maximum Length with Trailer:65'
Minimum Weight requiring Separate Trailer Brakes:4500
Trailer Equipment Requirements:
Safety Chains:Y
Brakelights:Y
Taillights:Y
Clearance Lights:Y (If over 80" wide.)
License Light:Y
Turn Signals:Y
Reflectors:Y
Flares:Y
Breakaway Brakes: Y (Over 3000 lbs.)
Tiedowns:Y
Two Trailers:N
Insurance:Y
> -Tourney approved? Are u serious? Does it matter if the performance
> is just as good. Are u sure it's not tourney approved?
It's not. TAPS is one of the many features that keeps it from being
approved.
> -seems like u get more for your money with the Tige'
Probably. I guess I look more into the design than bells and whistles.
> Even the salesman at the CC dealership admitted to me that Tige' makes
> a good boat.
And he's an expert...what do you think he would say? Any decent salesman
wouldn't put down the competition.
Scott
Freakaloin
>You may want to check your width. In Texas 8'6" or 102" wide. The beam
>on this boat is 100". That leaves a whole 2" for the wheels. The folks
>pulling this boat around here certainly seem to have trailer wheels that
>extend _way_ beyond the sides of the boat.
>
the tige' I saw extended out further then the wheels, so I guess it
wouldn't be a problem.
Tom Ruta
Must be a custom trailer. One of the posters here (Tim H.)
just ordered a 2000 Malibu Escape and is getting a custom
narrowed Ellis trailer to carry it to stay legal. God help
anyone who gets into an accident with an illegal trailer.
Tom
Freakaloin
>>>Good - including transport to the repair facility and loaner
>>>boat?
>>yep
>
>That is interesting to hear. When I spoke to the Tige guys
>at the last boat show, they said no. Good for Tige.
I asked the salesman this exact question(because of a post I read in
this news group), and he told me yes. Of course he could have been
full of it(most salesmen are...hehe). How big of a deal would it be
anyways?
>The 21V has a 100" beam, so unless your trailer has
>removable guide posts (I've yet to see a comp boat trailer
>like that from the factory), it'll exceed the maximum width
>for Texas. And due to its size it'll need brakes (expected)
>and side clearance lights (unexpected).
>
>Tom
>
>p.s. Be aware that a lot of other states have an 8 foot
>width limit.
As I said, I think they tooks that into account because the trailer
isn't wider then the boat. Scott pointed out that the width limit in
Texas is 8'6".
Tom Ruta
...
>I asked the salesman this exact question(because of a post I read in
>this news group), and he told me yes. Of course he could have been
>full of it(most salesmen are...hehe). How big of a deal would it be
>anyways?
>
If you ever did need warranty work, the boat would be out of
commission for some time. If it takes all winter, that
might be okay.
...
>As I said, I think they tooks that into account because the trailer
>isn't wider then the boat. Scott pointed out that the width limit in
>Texas is 8'6".
If it didn't have removable guide posts then it is
"illegal".
Tom
Brad
Brad
Tom Ruta wrote in message ...
Tom Ruta
>But how is the 21V to slalom behind at short line.
I'm not partial to the slalom wake of any of the V-drives
out there. IMHO, if you are going to do serious slalom
work, you'll want something other than a V. That said, I
should think that a tunable wake plate (TAPS) has got to
help lift the stern and reduce the wake compared to non-TAPS
boats.
Tom
kevin Baugh
at the best slalom position on the test boat and promo boats .
--
Kevin R. Baugh
krb...@ezl.com
http://www.ezl.com/~krbaugh
http://www.ezl.com/~krbaugh/carla
Paul Oman <paul...@medtronic.com> wrote in message
news:380349...@medtronic.com...
> Freakaloin wrote:
> > -Tourney approved? Are u serious? Does it matter if the performance
> > is just as good. Are u sure it's not tourney approved?
>
Brad
I mean at shortline.
Brad
Brad wrote in message
<826884C51E3918C0.C995F304...@lp.airnews.net>...
>But how is the 21V to slalom behind at short line.
>
Pete Harrison
multipurpose, solid, good in rough water,safe,combination that gives you a
great wake board wake, a very good slalom wake, and a boat you will love. It
combines the best of both worlds and its "like getting two boats for the
price of one"
Freakaloin <ge...@ispchannel.com> wrote in message
news:38034420....@news.ispchannel.com...
>
> >Here's a couple of questions to ponder...
> >
> >- do I want wood in the internal construction my boat (Tige is the
> >only one of the bunch that still uses it)?
> >- does the fact that the boat was "top rated" by one of its own
> >sponsored riders intrigue me?
> >- how does one legally move a boat down the road that is wider (on
> >trailer) than any state/province allows without a special permit?
> >- do I care if it is not tournament approved?
> >- are the prices really apples to apples?
> >
> >Tom
>
>
>
> -The wood is guarenteed for life.
> huge<g>
> is just as good. Are u sure it's not tourney approved?
>
>
> tower(better chance of getting it in my garage), TAPS, much cheaper
> at the CC dealership admitted to me that Tige' makes a good boat.
>
Mark Kovalcson
>
> ge...@ispchannel.com (Freakaloin) wrote:
>
> ...
> >I asked the salesman this exact question(because of a post I read in
> >this news group), and he told me yes. Of course he could have been
> >full of it(most salesmen are...hehe). How big of a deal would it be
> >anyways?
> >
>
> If you ever did need warranty work, the boat would be out of
> commission for some time. If it takes all winter, that
> might be okay.
I agree fiberglass is the way to do things, but I imagine that most "new
boat" owners are unlikely to have to have their stringer and floor
replaced. Also I seem to recall a few Malibu owners who went without
their boats for extended summer month periods over leaks or fiberglass
failures. They didn't get loaner boats....
A MC dealership that we had two dealerships ago locally used to let some
people have loaner boats during warantee work, but I think that is a
dealer discression issue, not a corporate mandate. I know one person who
put about 60 hours on one loaner boat while waiting for his boat to be
fixed.