Question on Hitting "Goofy Footed"
Alexander King Tang
and I've always hit "goofy footed" (I'm right handed and my 4 step approach
left, right, left, right, instead of right, left, right left). Until just
recently, I didn't see any problem with it. I had been told by some players
that this is not the proper way to approach, but being that I was only
beginning, I didn't want to worry myself with suuch details.
Now, I'm a bit more experieced (i think) and I still approach the same way.
the problem is....well....there are a couple of problems with this.
First...=since I should be open when I take off, I must stop all of my forward
momentum with my left leg so I don't over-rotate. This is causing some (quite
painful) tendonitis (sp?) in my left knee.
The other is that it has reduced my shot selection. I can hit cross court
from the right side and line from the left side just dandy :) but hitting line
from the right side, or hitting strong side cross just doesn't happen. :(
I've tried somewhat to change my approach but because I've been jumping like
this for so long (I used to play basketball too, and I planted left-right for
my jumpers too) that I just can't seem to shake it.
Does anybody know any good ways to that I could start moving into a more
conventional approach. I fear that it will require me to tear down all of my
mechanics and have to start over again. I really don't want to do that.
Thanx...Alex...
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alti...@css.itd.umich.edu (Alexander King Tang) wrote:
>
> Hi. I have a small dilemma....I've been playing for a couple of years now,
> and I've always hit "goofy footed" (I'm right handed and my 4 step approach
> left, right, left, right, instead of right, left, right left). Until just
> recently, I didn't see any problem with it. I had been told by some players
> that this is not the proper way to approach, but being that I was only
> beginning, I didn't want to worry myself with suuch details.
>
>
> Does anybody know any good ways to that I could start moving into a more
> conventional approach. I fear that it will require me to tear down all of my
> mechanics and have to start over again. I really don't want to do that.
>
the same foot sequence but take off one step sooner. It seems to me it
might be easier to change if you can keep the beginning of your approach
the same and concentrate on the end. Once you have that down, you might
want to then extend you new approach back to 4 steps if the longer approach
is more comfortable.
A second idea, if you just cannot change, might be to adjust you approach
angle. Run your approach parallel to the net from the left side, and on
the right side approach from about the same angle that most people use on
the left side. I would view this as only a stop-gap: you'll be much better
off taking the time and frustration necessary to straighten out you
approach (IMHO).
> Thanx...Alex...
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ebaum
alti...@css.itd.umich.edu (Alexander King Tang) writes:
> Does anybody know any good ways to that I could start moving into a more
> conventional approach. I fear that it will require me to tear down all of my
> mechanics and have to start over again. I really don't want to do that.
Depends how badly you want to correct your approach. If you really want
to change, you'll have to break down everything and deal with the
frustration that brings. You'll also have to be able to practice the
new footwork away from game situations, or old instincts will take over
and you won't be able to focus on the new.
I switch my players by breaking their footwork down completely. Start
with no approach and focus on rocking off your left leg instead of your
right. Back up, start 6-8 feet off net and stand on your left foot
only. Then just work on the 2-step right, left combo. Starting one
footed helps you focus on stepping with the right leg first. Then back
up to a 3-step, then a 4-step. Most important, be patient and practice
this away from competitive situations. Depending on how long you've
played, this is a very hard habit to break. But if it relieves your
physical problems and opens up more of the court for you to hit, it'll
be worth it.
Oh yeah. And find someone nice enough to toss a lot of balls for you.
Eric Baumgartner
Dartmouth Women's Volleyball
Don Geddis
> Yeah, I'm goofy footed too and I'm wondering if it's worth trying to
> change. No flames here, just ignorance, but what benefits does the correct
> take-off give you?
The thing you're basically trying to accomplish is being able to hit hard to
anywhere on the court. Due to the way humans are constructed, most people can
hit either straight ahead of themselves or pulling across their bodies. It
is quite rare for a player to have as good a spike hitting away from their
own body.
So you want your approach to end up with you in the air, facing the right-back
opponent's corner, no matter where you are on your court. This way a straight-
ahead spike goes to (your) right side of the opponent's court, and an across-
the-body shot goes to (your) left side of the opponent's court.
To get that to happen, you need to be in the air with your left shoulder
closer to the net than your right shoulder. Typically this means that, on
your last step on the ground, you need your left foot slightly ahead of your
right foot.
All of which leads to the classic approach technique. If your approach is
goofy-footed, you probably find it pretty hard to hit to the right side of
the opponent's court. But it's possible (although less efficient) to adapt
by developing a good away-from-the body spike.
(All of these descriptions were for a right-handed player. Left-handers
should mirror-flip everything.)
-- Don
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Murray Mansfield
>and I've always hit "goofy footed" (I'm right handed and my 4 step approach
The problem of goofey Footed players has been discussed at length at out
local Coaches Commission.
We concluded that there was *no* easy way of correcting the problem.
Players *must* be taught correctly from the outset, otherwise they have
to 'start again', which as you point out is going to be very difficult.
We also identified all of the problems you now face, so can relate very
well to them.
Good luck.
Tom Stockfisch
>and I've always hit "goofy footed" (I'm right handed and my 4 step approach
> This is causing some (quite
>The other is that it has reduced my shot selection. I can hit cross court
>from the right side and line from the left side just dandy :) but hitting line
>from the right side, or hitting strong side cross just doesn't happen. :(
Very interesting. I have a friend who is an excellent hitter with a full
range of options who approaches goofy footed, and I rarely here him complain
about his knees. He is still under 30, however, so maybe it is just a
matter of time.
>I've tried somewhat to change my approach but because I've been jumping like
>this for so long (I used to play basketball too, and I planted left-right for
>my jumpers too) that I just can't seem to shake it.
Have you tried marking an approach with tape and then walking it off starting
as slowly as necessary?
Although I can't imagine approaching goofy-footed, I'm not sure this is bad,
at least for sand play. Ever notice that Karch Kiraly hits goofy-footed in
the sand (but uses conventional footwork indoors)?
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Alexander King Tang
: Very interesting. I have a friend who is an excellent hitter with a full
: range of options who approaches goofy footed, and I rarely here him complain
: about his knees. He is still under 30, however, so maybe it is just a
: matter of time.
I had no problems with it either (for 2 and a half years). After a while, I
noticed that the tendon on the front part of my left knee really was sore
sometimes. My friend told me that it was from hitting goofy. I didn't
believe him but I figured out that he was right. The reason (at least from my
understanding) is that when you hit, you want your body open to the net (i.e.
for rh players, their left shoulder closer to the net). This allows afull arm
swing. To do this, it is easiest if you jump with your left foot slightly
forward from the right.
When you take a right, left, right left approach, the body's momentum passes
over the right foot when it plants and the left foot then comes down and both
feet are used to jump. When a person (such as myself) hits goofy, in order to
stay open to the net, they must stop almost all of their momentum completely
with their left leg. then their right foot can come down and assist with the
vertical part of the jump.
The stress (at least in my case) has built up in my knee. This is why it's
it's bad. I didn';t have many problems with it until I starting jumping
higher and trying to gun the ball more. I've improved so that I (think I can
at least) hit the ball with some decent power. I've started hittng more
agtgressively, and this has only compacted the problem.
Well...That's it. IMHO. I have some ideas. Thanx everyone.
Alex..
Ugly Bag of Mostly Water
In article <pyuen-290...@pyuen2.qualcomm.com>, py...@qualcomm.com (Patrick Yuen) writes:
> Yeah, I'm goofy footed too and I'm wondering if it's worth trying to
> change. No flames here, just ignorance, but what benefits does the correct
> take-off give you?
Don> The thing you're basically trying to accomplish is being able to hit
Don> hard to anywhere on the court. Due to the way humans are constructed,
Don> most people can hit either straight ahead of themselves or pulling
Don> across their bodies. It is quite rare for a player to have as good a
Don> spike hitting away from their own body.
Don> So you want your approach to end up with you in the air, facing the
Don> right-back opponent's corner, no matter where you are on your court.
Don> This way a straight- ahead spike goes to (your) right side of the
Don> opponent's court, and an across- the-body shot goes to (your) left side
Don> of the opponent's court.
Don> To get that to happen, you need to be in the air with your left
Don> shoulder closer to the net than your right shoulder. Typically this
Don> means that, on your last step on the ground, you need your left foot
Don> slightly ahead of your right foot.
Don> All of which leads to the classic approach technique. If your approach
Don> is goofy-footed, you probably find it pretty hard to hit to the right
Don> side of the opponent's court. But it's possible (although less
Don> efficient) to adapt by developing a good away-from-the body spike.
I've been told that this is more a function of your approach angle, than the
actual footwork you use to initiate (non-jordanian =) flight.
I also hit goofy-footed, and it does put more stress on the left leg, the only
thing that classes I've been too have stressed is that there becomes a point of
dimishing return re: perfect technique -- for instance I started playing vball
relatively late (30, and I'm now 33) and had lots of ingrown basketball skill
(like left footed take-offs for layups) that would be extremely difficult to
alter (and still play basketball too). Anyway the instructors would mention
correct technique, I'd show them my attempt at it, then how I'd normally
approach, and the only trade off they metioned was that I might lose some power
since the normal arm-swing would be torquing against the motion of my body thus
losing some power BUT the amount gained would probably not be worth the amount
of work I'd have to put in (at my age) to switch it around. Instead they had me
concetrate on makeing sure my approach was at the proper angle and that the
left foot led at takeoff, to ensure keeping my body/shoulders open to the net.
Also being a bball player I tend to go vertical more than broad jump forward
and will give up even more power there. (but philosophies on this vary too)
The only thing that I have to really add is that I noticed that back 2 slides
were extremely natural for me to hit -- and for my size (5'8") pretty useful.
If I was training/coaching youths or non-sports players I'd start them from
scratch. But multi-sport and/or older persons might be better off making
different adjustments rather than going for perfect approach technique.
steve.
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Tom Barrett
means that the last stride in the approach is taken with the right foot
(i.e., the hitter plants on the right foot), the left foot is brought
roughly parallel with (actually a little ahead of) the right, then
both feet are used to push into the jump. However, this approach seems to
stress the left leg/knee much *less* than the converse. Yet, all physical
problems reported in this thread complain of left knee problems.
The reason I ask is that I developed patellar tendonitis in my left knee
last year. I have historically used a "plant on the left foot" approach.
However, I seem to have much less stress on the knee if I plant on
my right foot. Unfortunately, my techinique sucks when I do the latter.
When I plant on my left foot, I get a much smoother
approach/jump, but it still bothers my patellar tendon. I've been
seriously considering trying to change to a right-footed plant to
get a few more years out of my knees, as I don't know if my left knee
is up for a lot more (BTW, I have been to a doctor and through physical
therapy; the knee is much better now than six months ago, but it's still
not 100%).
So, my question is: am I goofy-footed now or am I switching to a goofy-
footed approach? Also, am I likely to have more problems with my left
knee if I go to a "plant on right foot" approach?
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Jiann-ming Su
make sure I'm playing properly. So here's my questions:
1. Does goofy foot mean approaching incorrectly, or does it mean planting
incorrectly?
2. For right handed hitters, which foot should land last. i.e. Which foot
should hit the ground right before the jump?
3. Is there a proper step sequence for the approach? If so, what is it?
Please help. I really like to know the proper way to hit.
feh...@pa881a.inland.com
>
> Yeah, I'm goofy footed too and I'm wondering if it's worth trying to
> change. No flames here, just ignorance, but what benefits does the correct
> position, but if you actually jump with both feet together, isn't the
> result the same regardless of how you got there (end justifies the means)?
>
The only benefit I see from a right-footed approach is the ease with
which you can get to balls set to your strong side when the ball is
set from the right side of the court - which is most of the time.
If the timing and direction of approach are correct the hitter will
approach balls set to their strong side at an angle to the net, and
straight on for balls set to their weak side. Since its easier to
swing across the body and hit a ball with power then it is to swing
away from the body, these approachs will present the hitter with
maximum attack angles.
The first step in the approach is for timing and direction. Imagine you
are the L-OH and the ball was set inside to you. As a right-footed hitter
your first step is a simple, well maybe not so simple, side step to the
right and forward with your right foot. The second step is for power,
and the third followed very closely by the fourth step, converts the
forward momentum to the vertical jump. To get maximun power from the
jump you need to jump with both feet on the ground. A left-footed hitter
would use her first step for timing, then the second for power and
direction. Most likely either this second step won't be as powerful
as for the right-footer or her body will not be in proper position to
get full power out of the swing, for the direction she wants to hit the
ball.
You can use a left-footed approach but you will need to turn more to the
right sideline - which is somewhat awkward. During offensive and
defensive transitions this will require more movement/energy for you.
If this is not a problem then I would practice your left-footed approach
with the above ideas in mind.
I usually use a three step right-footed approach. I've practiced using
a four step approach and it feels natural enough but I just can't seem
to do it during competition. I have a tendency to jump sideways off of
one leg to get in the right position to hit the ball. I know this is
wrong - I need to work on my approach. In order to jump with both feet
you must approach the ball at the correct angle to begin with.
Volleyball forever,
--Eric
Van K. Vo
their approach is left-right.
2. For right handed hitters, the left foot should land last.
3. There are two basic types of approaches. I use the 3 step approach,
which is just left-right-left. This is usually used by middle
hitters. Outside hitters usually use a 4 step approach, allowing
them more time to adjust to a set. It's simply right-left-right-left.
The space and pace of each step is important. The last two steps
are the same: right foot plant, quickly bring the left foot together
and jump. This is the way I learned to jump, and it really does
help.
Van
Eric Wang
>1. Does goofy foot mean approaching incorrectly, or does it mean planting
> incorrectly?
It means having your footwork reversed. It applies to both the approach
and the plant. The proper approach for a right-handed left-side hitter
is:
;; start (semi-colon = footprint)
; right
; left
;\
\ RIGHT-LEFT-liftoff
;\ (notice the shoulders '\' are facing
*--------------------* into the court, allowing all shots)
The goofy-footed approach is just the opposite:
;; start
; left
; right
_
_/;
/; LEFT-RIGHT-liftoff
(notice the shoulders are turned away
*--------------------* from the court, allowing a decent line
shot but not a powerful angle shot)
Some beginners hit goofy, and a rare few goofies actually become very
good. (Case in point: there's a goofy hitter here in Illinois who used
to be a high USVBA A-level hitter (and might still be), although his
goofiness was much more subtle than most: he'd step big off his left
foot, plant with his right foot, then slide his left foot *very* quickly
up to his right foot while continuing to roll forward onto the ball &
toes of his right foot, then propel with both feet.) However, I've
NEVER seen a goofy-footed hitter at any collegiate or internatinal
level. Not even once. IMHO, it's not a coincidence: the goofy-foot
approach just isn't as effective as the proper approach. (That's why
it's called "goofy"!)
Note that "proper" for a right-handed hitter is "goofy" for a
left-handed hitter, and vice versa (by symmetry).
>2. For right handed hitters, which foot should land last. i.e. Which foot
> should hit the ground right before the jump?
The left foot.
>3. Is there a proper step sequence for the approach? If so, what is it?
See diagrams above. Also, watch your Barcelona or Seoul tapes of any of
the all-world outside hitters (Kiraly, Giovane, Nakagaichi, Zwerver,
Despaigne). Every time they hit for a kill, rewind, play it again in
frame-by-frame slow motion, and study their approach carefully.
I just thought of a way to (slowly) train your goofiness away. You need
a net, a court, and a racquetball or tennis ball, but no volleyballs, no
setters, and NO DISTRACTIONS. Start only with the jump. Stand on your
left foot with your right foot off the ground, the racquetball in your
hand. Step RIGHT-LEFT, jump off both feet, and throw the racquetball
over the net right down the power alley (into the opposite corner of the
opponents' court), simulating a spike. Vary your throws: throw some
across your body down the line, throw some "supercuts" almost parallel
to the net to the other side line inside the opponents' attack line.
Repeat several hundred times. When the jump and throw feel natural to
you, back up and add a third step, so you're doing a legitimate
three-step approach, and repeat. When that feels natural, then find a
setter and try doing it with a real volleyball. Expect to spend several
weeks to several months to fully retrain your reflexes. Most
importantly, practice WITHOUT a volleyball in the air, otherwise your
current instincts will just take over.
I'll try this strategy out this summer with a goofy-footed hitter on
my current team.
Eric Wang
wa...@sml0.ge.uiuc.edu
Tom Barrett
: j...@jazz.cc.msstate.edu (Jiann-ming Su) writes:
: >1. Does goofy foot mean approaching incorrectly, or does it mean planting
: > incorrectly?
:
: It means having your footwork reversed. It applies to both the approach
: and the plant. The proper approach for a right-handed left-side hitter
: is:
:
: ;; start (semi-colon = footprint)
:
: ; right
:
: ; left
: ;\
: \ RIGHT-LEFT-liftoff
: ;\ (notice the shoulders '\' are facing
: *--------------------* into the court, allowing all shots)
:
: The goofy-footed approach is just the opposite:
:
: ;; start
:
: ; left
:
: ; right
: _
: _/;
: /; LEFT-RIGHT-liftoff
: (notice the shoulders are turned away
: *--------------------* from the court, allowing a decent line
: shot but not a powerful angle shot)
Now we're getting somewhere. My confusion stemmed from a different
connotation of what "2-step" and "3-step" (and so on) approaches meant.
I always thought a 2-step approach was when you had two strides to
take to get to your takeoff point. The subsequent "bringing to parallel"
of the trailing foot I did not consider a step (however, most posters
here do and consider this a 3-step approach). Therefore, my last "step"
in my version was with the left foot. I would then bring the right
foot to near parallel and jump.
: Some beginners hit goofy, and a rare few goofies actually become very
: good. (Case in point: there's a goofy hitter here in Illinois who used
: to be a high USVBA A-level hitter (and might still be), although his
: goofiness was much more subtle than most: he'd step big off his left
: foot, plant with his right foot, then slide his left foot *very* quickly
: up to his right foot while continuing to roll forward onto the ball &
: toes of his right foot, then propel with both feet.) However, I've
: NEVER seen a goofy-footed hitter at any collegiate or internatinal
: level. Not even once. IMHO, it's not a coincidence: the goofy-foot
: approach just isn't as effective as the proper approach. (That's why
: it's called "goofy"!)
Hmmm. Maybe I'm not really goofy-footed (see diagram below). I am a
strong USVBA A-player, Grass Doubles Open (or very strong A) player
and am considered a better-than-average hitter with good vertical. I've
also heard that the Cubans have had a number of goofy-footed hitters
and they're renowned for their hitting.
Anyway, although my sequencing is somewhat goofy, my angle of approach
looks more like the "proper" approach in your diagram:
;; start (semi-colon = footprint)
; left
; right
;\
\ LEFT-RIGHT-liftoff
;\ (notice the shoulders '\' are facing
*--------------------* into the court, allowing all shots)
: I just thought of a way to (slowly) train your goofiness away. You need
: a net, a court, and a racquetball or tennis ball, but no volleyballs, no
: setters, and NO DISTRACTIONS. Start only with the jump. Stand on your
: left foot with your right foot off the ground, the racquetball in your
: hand. Step RIGHT-LEFT, jump off both feet, and throw the racquetball
: over the net right down the power alley (into the opposite corner of the
: opponents' court), simulating a spike. Vary your throws: throw some
: across your body down the line, throw some "supercuts" almost parallel
: to the net to the other side line inside the opponents' attack line.
: Repeat several hundred times. When the jump and throw feel natural to
: you, back up and add a third step, so you're doing a legitimate
: three-step approach, and repeat. When that feels natural, then find a
: setter and try doing it with a real volleyball. Expect to spend several
: weeks to several months to fully retrain your reflexes. Most
: importantly, practice WITHOUT a volleyball in the air, otherwise your
: current instincts will just take over.
Good suggestions. I've already started working on mine (but I've only
got ten years of habit to break :-( ) in a similar manner. However,
my motivation (as I mentioned in my post) is not to improve my hitting
but to stress my left knee less (which has patellar tendonitis). I may
have an easier time than a true goofy-footer as my takeoff is almost
identical to the "other" style.
Anyway, thanks for the info.
-T
Evil Twin
>
[...Stuff from Tom about finally talking oranges with the rest of us...]
>
> Hmmm. Maybe I'm not really goofy-footed (see diagram below). I am a
> strong USVBA A-player, Grass Doubles Open (or very strong A) player
> and am considered a better-than-average hitter with good vertical. I've
> also heard that the Cubans have had a number of goofy-footed hitters
> and they're renowned for their hitting.
>
> Anyway, although my sequencing is somewhat goofy, my angle of approach
> looks more like the "proper" approach in your diagram:
>
>
> ;; start (semi-colon = footprint)
>
> ; left
>
> ; right
> ;\
> \ LEFT-RIGHT-liftoff
> ;\ (notice the shoulders '\' are facing
> *--------------------* into the court, allowing all shots)
>
Gather 'round children, because it's now Story Time !-)
Way back when I first began to live, breathe, talk, eat, walk, think, etc
volleyball; I did a lot of book research. A group of us were all about the
same skill level, and probably the best people (that would have anything to do
with us !-) around. I knew that I wanted to get much better at the sport. And
so I turned to an outside source for additional information. There's a lot of
older (1950's to late 1970's) books about volleyball out there that should just
be trashed! The sport has progressed a lot since it's inception.
So anyways. In a YMCA edition (I believe) it discussed two different types of
spike approaches; the "step-through," and the "step-close." Eric Wang was
describing the "step-through," and Tom Barrett has informed us that he has a
"step-close" approach. Biomechanically speaking the "step-through" approach
will convert more of your forward momentum to vertical leap. We had a German
exchange student playing on our club team some years ago who used a
"step-close" approach. And his spike-jump was as high as his block-jump.
Whereas most of the American's spike-jumps were higher than their block-jumps
(the Americans using the "step-through" approach).
So, Tom, I think it's kind of dubious if modifying your approach will help you
out at all. You've had the same automatic approach for 10+ years now. You'd
have to determine how many more years you plan on playing at a high level, and
balance that off with how long it will take to become at least as proficient
with a new approach as you are with the old. I changed the way I clasp my
hands (basically I don't interlink them at all anymore) when passing, and it
took me three or four months to get the hang of it. All it took was a little
practice...5+ days a week for the aforementioned amount of time !-)
Tony -
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I'm in the zone
>Way back when I first began to live, breathe, talk, eat, walk, think, etc
>volleyball; I did a lot of book research. A group of us were all about the
>same skill level, and probably the best people (that would have anything to do
You must have been hanging around the girls rugby team then...
[... lots of random babbling.. ]
>Tony -
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> one_kill!
Second of all Tony, addressing the subject, anytime you do ANYTHING, it's
'goofy footed'.
I'm in the zone
Evil Twin
> MUL...@SCORPION.AG.UIUC.EDU (Evil Twin) writes:
>
>
> >Way back when I first began to live, breathe, talk, eat, walk, think, etc
> >volleyball; I did a lot of book research. A group of us were all about the
> >same skill level, and probably the best people (that would have anything to do
>
> You must have been hanging around the girls rugby team then...
>
Listen "Awrg." About that time I had met a few members of the *Women's* Rugby
Club. And any one of them could have kicked the *SHIT* outta you. You
bonehead.
>
> [... lots of random babbling.. ]
> >Tony -
>
[...awesome sig deleted...]
>
>
> Second of all Tony, addressing the subject, anytime you do ANYTHING, it's
> 'goofy footed'.
And I've had just about enough of your feeble attempts to "poke gentle humor"
at my informative posts. Why don't we just play a little one-on-one volleyball
just to see who's goofy foot is in who's mouth. I'll even let you pick the
setter.
I've had a tough time figuring out who you are. You little munchkin. But I
have resources. And I'll be gunning for you out in the gyms...
I'm in the zone
>Listen "Awrg." About that time I had met a few members of the *Women's* Rugby
>Club. And any one of them could have kicked the *SHIT* outta you. You
>bonehead.
If I can pound you, what does that tell you?
>And I've had just about enough of your feeble attempts to "poke gentle humor"
>at my informative posts. Why don't we just play a little one-on-one volleyball
>just to see who's goofy foot is in who's mouth. I'll even let you pick the
>setter.
your posts are not informative..
>I've had a tough time figuring out who you are. You little munchkin. But I
>have resources. And I'll be gunning for you out in the gyms...
You mean the whole time you haven't known who I am? And as for your resources,
have you ever considered using ph Einstein?
As for the one on one, if you really want to get embarrassed, then bring it!
Evil Twin
> MUL...@SCORPION.AG.UIUC.EDU (Evil Twin) writes:
>
> >Listen "Awrg." About that time I had met a few members of the *Women's* Rugby
> >Club. And any one of them could have kicked the *SHIT* outta you. You
> >bonehead.
>
> If I can pound you, what does that tell you?
>
Well, since you can't pound me. It doesn't tell me much at all.
>
> >I've had a tough time figuring out who you are. You little munchkin. But I
> >have resources. And I'll be gunning for you out in the gyms...
>
> You mean the whole time you haven't known who I am? And as for your resources,
> have you ever considered using ph Einstein?
>
ux1 1> ph awrg...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
501:No matches to your query.
ux1 2> ph email=awrg...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
501:No matches to your query.
ux1 3> ph anthony rosete
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name: rosete anthony wayne
curriculum: grad
email to: Major...@uiuc.edu (No account registered)
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You satisfied, worm?