Blue Curtain Award nominee: Paul "Brilliantine" Sunderland
Ravi Narasimhan
strength of:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/?/news/experts/sundepau/2000/07/06sunderland.html
Of course, if selected, we will have to extract his head from Acosta's
patookus to give him the trophy.
If change is so wonderful for the sport, why can't we get some different
"commentators." Get Shaw (leave of absence) and Powers (pre Men'sseason,)
to Sydney, give 'em a couple of rounds of golf and some brewskis, and the
takes will at least be entertaining if not entirely coherent.
Reminder: The Blue Curtain Award is to acknowledge those whose absence from
volleyball would be a consummation devoutly to be wish'd. The Curtain is the
infamous partition in the lair of The Earthly Manifestation of
All Evil(tm,) (aka Jabba the Scates) behind which the unclean are banished,
never to be seen again.
Anyone on rsv may nominate anyone in the vb community. Two supporting
nominations and the award is considered given.
The sport has enough trouble from its enemies. Who will save it from its
friends?
--- Oski
Underdog, maybe?
--
Ravi Narasimhan
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy, UCLA
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~oski
os...@physics.ucla.edu
JSVBA
>"commentators."
After reading the article,
I Wholeheartedly,
Second the nomination
Michael Borga
JSVBA
Tom Simchak
news:8keho0$h77$1...@nntp.Stanford.EDU...
> The longtime partner of Chris "Brylcreem" Marlowe is hereby nominated on
the
> strength of:
>
>
http://www.nbcolympics.com/?/news/experts/sundepau/2000/07/06sunderland.html
>
> Of course, if selected, we will have to extract his head from Acosta's
> patookus to give him the trophy.
>
Men'sseason,)
> to Sydney, give 'em a couple of rounds of golf and some brewskis, and the
> takes will at least be entertaining if not entirely coherent.
>
> Reminder: The Blue Curtain Award is to acknowledge those whose absence
from
> volleyball would be a consummation devoutly to be wish'd. The Curtain is
the
> infamous partition in the lair of The Earthly Manifestation of
> All Evil(tm,) (aka Jabba the Scates) behind which the unclean are
banished,
> never to be seen again.
>
> Anyone on rsv may nominate anyone in the vb community. Two supporting
> nominations and the award is considered given.
>
> The sport has enough trouble from its enemies. Who will save it from its
> friends?
>
> --- Oski
> Underdog, maybe?
If memory serves, Sunderland has been promoting this sort of change for
years, especially the one dealing with specialized players--no more
rotations.
My complaint about all the changes is that what works, or rather, may be
appropriate for the international level player, may not be appropriate on
the local scene, or for younger players. IMHO, 14, 15, and 16 year old kids
are going to have a very difficult time adjusting to passing a net serve,
especially given that our other rule sets (most notably Federation) have not
incorporated this change.
Tom Simchak
Wally Hendricks
Interesting that you would nominate someone for this award who has been one of
the best role models in the sport. This suggests that your opinions should
not be voiced, otherwise you might get the wrath of Ravi. However, you can
conduct yourself any way that you wish on the court and it doesn't matter.
For me, Paul Sunderlund will remain one of my great experiences in being
associated with volleyball. Sorry, we need many more like him associated with
the sport.
Todd Haverkos
> The longtime partner of Chris "Brylcreem" Marlowe is hereby nominated on the
> strength of:
>
> http://www.nbcolympics.com/?/news/experts/sundepau/2000/07/06sunderland.html
Aside from his (or his editor's) misuse of "hearsay" instead of the
likely-intentended "heresy" as a mistake from the language
perspective, what's the problem Ravi-rific? ;-)
As for the net serve stuff....
After watching a weekend full of FIVB let-serve action on the beach, I
question how great a change the net serve is for the two player game
when I see those 3-5% of tape serves that dribbled over straight down.
However the other 95% of tape serves that remained playable arguably
made up for it...even on the beach. For indoor when you've got up to
three guys standing near the net doing nothing else during serve
receive, it's a no-brainer, IMO. Play on!
I was also surprised to find myself quite disappointed as an indoor
player the other night during an open gym when I didn't get to go
after the opponent's tape serves before they hit the floor. Instead,
I got to see everyone stop, and quietly rotate clockwise one position.
Zzzzzzzzz.
--
Todd Haverkos t...@vbref.org
http://www.vbref.org/
Ravi Narasimhan
>In article <8keho0$h77$1...@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, os...@w6yx.stanford.edu (Ravi Narasimhan) wrote:
>
[ Snip ]
However, you can
>conduct yourself any way that you wish on the court and it doesn't matter.
>For me, Paul Sunderlund will remain one of my great experiences in being
>associated with volleyball. Sorry, we need many more like him associated with
>the sport.
I'll put you down as, "Undecided."
--- Oski
Consensus taker
JSVBA
>player the other night during an open gym when I didn't get to go
>after the opponent's tape serves before they hit the floor. Instead,
>I got to see everyone stop, and quietly rotate clockwise one position.
>Zzzzzzzzz.
Were you also surprised when the other team touched the net and everyone had to
stop and quietly rotate clockwise one position?
Were you also surprised when the other team hit a ball that touched the
antennae and everyone had to stop and quietly rotate clockwise one position?
Were you also surprised when the other team touched the endline on service and
everyone had to stop and quietly rotate clockwise one position?
Were you also surprised when the other team served from outside the sideline
and everyone had to stop and quietly rotate clockwise one position?
Were you also surprised when the other team touched floor with their hand on
your side of the centerline and everyone had to stop and quietly rotate
clockwise one position?
Todd, why don't we just do away with all the rules and then everyone can just
*play on* to their little old heart's content?
Why are any of those rules above any better a reason to stop play than when the
serve touches the net?
Heck, we don't need any rules and then we don't need any referees :-)
Michael Borga
JSVBA
Ravi Narasimhan
>os...@w6yx.stanford.edu (Ravi Narasimhan) writes:
>> http://www.nbcolympics.com/?/news/experts/sundepau/2000/07/06sunderland.html
>
>
>Aside from his (or his editor's) misuse of "hearsay" instead of the
>likely-intentended "heresy" as a mistake from the language
>perspective, what's the problem Ravi-rific? ;-)
Oh, I dunno... maybe it is all that malarkey about how great RPS
to 25 is for the sport, the let serve, eliminating rotations and using
a long defunct league as an example of its success. The assertion
that the Liberace has improved defense in men's vb, etc.
I suppose publicly promoting that catechism is required for the
media credential.
>As for the net serve stuff....
The only skill where the player has complete control. Hey, let's let
the serves that go out be playable, too. Spectacularity and all that.
I'd still like to see The Donald and Powers cover Sydney.
TD: Hello and welcome everyone to the first round of pool play in men's
volleyball at the Sydney Wallabydome. I'm Don Shaw and with me is
my partner, '84 Gold Medalist Pat "The Hammer of Death" Powers.
PP: How do I work this )*((@*!# thing?
TD: Our first match is... well, we don't really know, we just got in
from a couple of rounds at the Woomera Country Club where I trimmed
Pat's hide and won all of his per diem.
PP: Yeah, well, Westwood Al didn't show up for our match last week
and I'm out of practice
TD: If that's your story, Pat, I say stick with it. Lots of rules
changes since Atlanta; the scoring format is different, technique is
out the window, the matches last all of about five minutes so the
coaches don't have to make any adjustments. So don't mind
our lack of preparation. It doesn't really matter
PP: Speaking of things out the windows, that reminds me of
the time Team USA was playing...
and so forth. They could be the next Louie and Frankie.
--- Oski
Ferret's got a teleprompter
Donald L. Nash
(Wally Hendricks) wrote:
>Interesting that you would nominate someone for this award who has
>been one of the best role models in the sport. This suggests that
>your opinions should not be voiced, otherwise you might get the wrath
>of Ravi.
Everyone's entitled to voice their opinions. Reasonable people can
disagree in a reasonable fashion. Anyone who censors himself just
because he's afraid of getting a Blue Curtain Award nomination probably
isn't worth listening to in the first place.
--
Donald L. Nash, <D.N...@utexas.edu>, PGP Key ID: 0x689DA021
The University of Texas System Office of Telecommunication Services
Devin Grant
when I was watching Venus beat Lindsay this weekend in that Wimbledon thing
I don't recall them playing the let serves and I still enjoyed the match. If
you want to give the server another serve after a serve hits the tape and
goes over, I would be willing to listen. But barely. It will take an
important international match that is decided on that crap to have a real
negative impact on that rule. Lets hope that it is not the USA team in a
medal match with Sunderland announcing. Or then again... What really drives
me nuts is that this rally scoring stuff was supposed to be more TV
friendly. I have seen less volleyball on TV recently and when I watched a
USA match last week ( vs. Poland) they skipped games 2 and 3 entirely. The
beauty of the Old School sideout scoring was that there was no time limit.
Great comebacks were possible. Just ask LeGrande and Neto how they feel
about sideout scoring after this weekends miracle.
---Devin
Old School to the core
"Ravi Narasimhan" <os...@w6yx.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:8keho0$h77$1...@nntp.Stanford.EDU...
> The longtime partner of Chris "Brylcreem" Marlowe is hereby nominated on
the
> strength of:
>
>
http://www.nbcolympics.com/?/news/experts/sundepau/2000/07/06sunderland.html
>
> Of course, if selected, we will have to extract his head from Acosta's
> patookus to give him the trophy.
>
> If change is so wonderful for the sport, why can't we get some different
> "commentators." Get Shaw (leave of absence) and Powers (pre
Men'sseason,)
> to Sydney, give 'em a couple of rounds of golf and some brewskis, and the
> takes will at least be entertaining if not entirely coherent.
>
> Reminder: The Blue Curtain Award is to acknowledge those whose absence
from
> volleyball would be a consummation devoutly to be wish'd. The Curtain is
the
> infamous partition in the lair of The Earthly Manifestation of
> All Evil(tm,) (aka Jabba the Scates) behind which the unclean are
banished,
> never to be seen again.
>
> Anyone on rsv may nominate anyone in the vb community. Two supporting
> nominations and the award is considered given.
>
> The sport has enough trouble from its enemies. Who will save it from its
> friends?
>
> --- Oski
> Underdog, maybe?
Ravi Narasimhan
>I also second the nomination for all of the obvious reasons. By the way,
There being a motion and two seconds, Sunderland is herewith sent behind the
Blue Curtain with all the lefts and dishonors thereto pertaining.
--- Oski
Good riddance
Donald L. Nash
(Ravi Narasimhan) wrote:
>There being a motion and two seconds, Sunderland is herewith sent behind
>the Blue Curtain with all the lefts and dishonors thereto pertaining.
Is someone maintaining a list of all the people who have achieved this
dubious distinction? Should we be carving the names on a granite
obelisk or something?
quikset
>In article <uiJa5.37640$i5.4...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>
"Devin Grant" <devin...@home.com> writes:
>>I also second the nomination for all of the obvious reasons. By
the way,
>
sent behind the
>Blue Curtain with all the lefts and dishonors thereto
pertaining.
>
> Good riddance
>
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Ravi Narasimhan
>os...@w6yx.stanford.edu (Ravi Narasimhan) wrote:
>>There being a motion and two seconds, Sunderland is herewith
>sent behind the
>>Blue Curtain with all the lefts and dishonors thereto
>pertaining.
>>
>> --- Oski
>
>I second that emotion.
>Smokey, smokey blue
More like,
o/~
Hit the road, Jack
And don't you come back
No more no more no more no more
Hit the road, Jack
And don't you come back no more
o/~
--- Oski
Charles, Ray Charles
Josh Stephens
> My complaint about all the changes is that what works, or rather, may be
> appropriate for the international level player, may not be appropriate on
> the local scene, or for younger players. IMHO, 14, 15, and 16 year old kids
> are going to have a very difficult time adjusting to passing a net serve,
> especially given that our other rule sets (most notably Federation) have not
> incorporated this change.
Not to mention that kids 14, 15 and 16 aren't going to acquire ANY
skills if they're allowed to wallow exclusively in only the front or
back row.
And such a system would be brutal on the ego. While defense has its
grace and its importance, we all know that the goons in the front row
would get all the glory. None too heartening to the six-footer who is
already out of the running on most college and many high school teams.
Furtheremore, if you're 14 and they stick you in the back row all the
time, how long do you think you'll endure volleyball before you find
another, more egalitarian sport? If you go to the local rec center for
pick-up ball and some 6'6" goons plant themselves at the net, are you
going to enjoy yourself while they rifle wallballs at your head?
If the international game wants to self-destruct (and continue its
tradition of crappy marketing), so be it. But proposals such as these
must not extend to the lower levels.
Raptor
>
> os...@w6yx.stanford.edu (Ravi Narasimhan) writes:
>
> > The longtime partner of Chris "Brylcreem" Marlowe is hereby nominated on the
> > strength of:
> >
> > http://www.nbcolympics.com/?/news/experts/sundepau/2000/07/06sunderland.html
>
> likely-intentended "heresy" as a mistake from the language
> perspective, what's the problem Ravi-rific? ;-)
>
>
> question how great a change the net serve is for the two player game
> when I see those 3-5% of tape serves that dribbled over straight down.
> However the other 95% of tape serves that remained playable arguably
> made up for it...even on the beach. For indoor when you've got up to
> three guys standing near the net doing nothing else during serve
> receive, it's a no-brainer, IMO. Play on!
>
> player the other night during an open gym when I didn't get to go
> after the opponent's tape serves before they hit the floor. Instead,
> I got to see everyone stop, and quietly rotate clockwise one position.
> Zzzzzzzzz.
I find the let serve rule to be an excellent idea, so far. You're very
right about the more common kind: why should they end an otherwise
decent rally? And the dribble-overs... I saw one in WL USA v Poland
and it was an opportunity for a really sharp defensive play. Why didn't
they do this ten years ago?
--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall
Be patient! It took us 40000 years to develop a thumb.
It'll take us another 40000 to get it out of our ass.
Ravi Narasimhan
>In article <8kfoul$g4$1...@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, os...@w6yx.stanford.edu
>
>>There being a motion and two seconds, Sunderland is herewith sent behind
>>the Blue Curtain with all the lefts and dishonors thereto pertaining.
>
>dubious distinction? Should we be carving the names on a granite
>obelisk or something?
So far, we have:
Al Scates: Maloris Causa
Ruben Acosta: Primo procto-polyp of the FIVB
The 1999 USA NCAA Div. 1 Women's VB All American Committee: For overlooking
First Team All-American Kristee Porter for First Team All-American status
The USA NCAA Men Mountain Pacific Sports Federation Officiating Corps:
Crimes against protocol, competence, and fashion (Aaron Batula nominator)
Mr. Rick Bay, Athletic Director of San Diego State University for cutting
men's volleyball
Paul Sunderland: The present thread
Nominations may be tendered at any time.
--- Oski
List-erine
Joe Rooney
Is someone maintaining a list of all the people who have achieved this
dubious distinction? Should we be carving the names on a granite
obelisk or something?
We are playing kind of a shorthanded version of "Kot'baval" on the other side
of the curtain. We call our own fouls as RAVI won't send us any refs.
The game is getting better and better!
Joe
JSVBA
>of the curtain. We call our own fouls as RAVI won't send us any refs.
See, even the guys on the other side of the curtain realize that the MPSF refs
aren't really refs cause as RAVI said "The USA NCAA Men Mountain Pacific Sports
Federation Officiating Corps:" has been banished and they still don't have any
refs. :-)
Michael Borga
JSVBA
Diane Wms
>dubious distinction? Should we be carving the names on a granite
>obelisk or something?
We can stitch their names in gold thread on the front of the blue curtain!
Diane Williams
"Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind." --Emerson
Olympic Beach Volleyball photos at http://volleyball.org/ladydi
hal
os...@physics.ucla.edu wrote:
> In article <D.Nash-
C0C922.164...@newshost.cc.utexas.edu> "Donald L. Nash"
<D.N...@utexas.edu> writes:
> >In article <8kfoul$g4$1...@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, os...@w6yx.stanford.edu
> >(Ravi Narasimhan) wrote:
> >
> >>There being a motion and two seconds, Sunderland is herewith sent
behind
> >>the Blue Curtain with all the lefts and dishonors thereto
pertaining.
> >
this
> >dubious distinction? Should we be carving the names on a granite
> >obelisk or something?
>
>
> Al Scates: Maloris Causa
>
> Ruben Acosta: Primo procto-polyp of the FIVB
>
> The 1999 USA NCAA Div. 1 Women's VB All American Committee: For
overlooking
> First Team All-American Kristee Porter for First Team All-American
status
>
nominator)
>
> Mr. Rick Bay, Athletic Director of San Diego State University for
cutting
> men's volleyball
>
> Paul Sunderland: The present thread
Bill Husak, for cutting LMU's volleyball program
>
> Nominations may be tendered at any time.
>
> --- Oski
> List-erine
> --
> Ravi Narasimhan
> Dept. of Physics and Astronomy, UCLA
> http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~oski
> os...@physics.ucla.edu
>
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Before you buy.
Sheri Snow Powers
One point of note. In men's collegiate tennis, or at least in the Pac-10,
they did away with the let serve. If a serve touches the net, it is good,
keep playing. The reason for the change? Players officiate the matches to
some degree and it was felt that some were taking unfair advantage of the
honor of the game.
They kept playing on. No big deal.
PP
Ed Ratledge
> Bill Husak, for cutting LMU's volleyball program
>
Ravi Narasimhan
As do I.
Bill Husak of Loyola Marymount University is hereby banished behind The Blue Curtain.
--- Oski
Jesuit yourself
RLL
> In article <D.Nash-C0C922....@newshost.cc.utexas.edu> "Donald L. Nash" <D.N...@utexas.edu> writes:
...
> >Is someone maintaining a list of all the people who have achieved this
> >dubious distinction? Should we be carving the names on a granite
> >obelisk or something?
> So far, we have:
> Al Scates: Maloris Causa
> Ruben Acosta: Primo procto-polyp of the FIVB
> The 1999 USA NCAA Div. 1 Women's VB All American Committee: For overlooking
> First Team All-American Kristee Porter for First Team All-American status
> The USA NCAA Men Mountain Pacific Sports Federation Officiating Corps:
> Crimes against protocol, competence, and fashion (Aaron Batula nominator)
Aaron would be proud that one of his favorite referees was wearing a uniform with blue shorts, but it matched the
other referees for once! (Said uniform came complete with red/yellow fashion accessories that were displayed on
more than one occasion). I have a picture to prove it. I want to print it out so that said referee can autograph
it for the quikset! I am still waiting for the other referee to stop dancing to get him to autograph one...
> Mr. Rick Bay, Athletic Director of San Diego State University for cutting
> men's volleyball
> Paul Sunderland: The present thread
> Nominations may be tendered at any time.
....Ms. Cox for her in-depth interviews?
... USA Volleyball for moving to Colorado Springs (I hate going up there! Anytime a plane has to take off on a
hot day with only enough fuel to get to a nearby city at a lower elevation ain't right! How do they determine the
correct weight to take off safely? What if Marvin was on the same flight and the pilots didn't know?)
RLL
Ed Ratledge
I'll second that one because of the Buckeye red dress she wore to the
NCAA finals. My whole squad loved it. It went right along with the
local Hooters sign displaying, "Buckeyes will take the Bruins."
Come to think of it, I think I'd rather see her in a tight white
tank-top and little orange shorts anyway.
quikset
Hmmm...let's review the facts here.
Heather (Schoeny) Cox - lefthanded opposite hitter circa. 1992
University of Pacific. Now TV volleyball broadcaster and
straight-man (err... straight-person) to "VO5" Marlowe's
reused-for-last-ten-years myriad of volleyball anecdotes and
Olympic stories. Most famous for the classic "Pizza...definetely
pizza" interview with David McKienzie from the 1999 NCAA
semi-finals.
Ed Ratledge - lovable lefthanded opposite hitter circa. 2000
UCLA. Future Sigmund Freud of the volleyball world, offering
high-cost counseling to whiney AVP stars and disgruntled USA
National Team employees/players utilizing hand puppets and ball
carts.
Could be something brewing here....it's a match made in heaven.
I believe, however, that any offspring would probably end up
being right-handed liberos.
-Aaron
Left-handed/right-brained
P.S. I go to Hooter's strictly for the hot wings. <smirk>
Ravi Narasimhan
>Ed Ratledge <rat...@intelligencia.com> wrote:
>>> ....Ms. Cox for her in-depth interviews?
>>
>>I'll second that one because of the Buckeye red dress she wore
>to the
>>NCAA finals. My whole squad loved it. It went right along with
>the
>>local Hooters sign displaying, "Buckeyes will take the Bruins."
Yeah, not like the tremendous hospitality and sportsmanship shown by UCLA and Bruin
fans when the Finals are held in Pauley every other year.
>>Come to think of it, I think I'd rather see her in a tight white
>>tank-top and little orange shorts anyway.
Now I know why so many in the MPSF just shake their heads and say,
"Ed... Ed..."
Aaron "Homewrecker" Batula says:
>Hmmm...let's review the facts here.
[ Ed and Heather sittin' in a tree ]
>Could be something brewing here....it's a match made in heaven.
>I believe, however, that any offspring would probably end up
>being right-handed liberos.
Liberaces.
>-Aaron
>Left-handed/right-brained
More like hare-brained.
--- Oski
Term paper
lurker@home
Todd Haverkos wrote in message ...
>os...@w6yx.stanford.edu (Ravi Narasimhan) writes:
>
>> The longtime partner of Chris "Brylcreem" Marlowe is hereby nominated on
the
>> strength of:
>>
>>
http://www.nbcolympics.com/?/news/experts/sundepau/2000/07/06sunderland.html
>
>
>Aside from his (or his editor's) misuse of "hearsay" instead of the
>likely-intentended "heresy" as a mistake from the language
>perspective, what's the problem Ravi-rific? ;-)
>
>
>As for the net serve stuff....
>
>After watching a weekend full of FIVB let-serve action on the beach, I
>question how great a change the net serve is for the two player game
>when I see those 3-5% of tape serves that dribbled over straight down.
>However the other 95% of tape serves that remained playable arguably
>made up for it...even on the beach. For indoor when you've got up to
>three guys standing near the net doing nothing else during serve
>receive, it's a no-brainer, IMO. Play on!
>
If and ONLY IF I can attack the serve. If every serve's going to be a drive
at the net, I want to be able to answer by drilling it to the floor.
lurker@home
Donald L. Nash wrote in message ...
>In article <8kfoul$g4$1...@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, os...@w6yx.stanford.edu
>(Ravi Narasimhan) wrote:
>
>>There being a motion and two seconds, Sunderland is herewith sent behind
>>the Blue Curtain with all the lefts and dishonors thereto pertaining.
>
>dubious distinction? Should we be carving the names on a granite
>obelisk or something?
>
Nope, carve the names into the winners.........
ratl...@gmail.com
I think the majority of the tour does the Ed, Ed... (shakes head) thing.
FYI
Lurker@home was my dad.