women and vert
Alex Shaykevich
the high end. Some of the highest men's verts that I've heard of were
in the low 50s(in).
How high do the top women get? What about average players?
Thoughts?
-- Alex S.
Wallace Hendricks
The FIVB publishes quite a few statistics on every member of the national
teams. These include vertical jump. There is also some scholarly work on
vertical jump that deals directly with volleyball. In the Olympics, the Cuban
women's team had several women that could jump as high as many men on our
national team. The best men in the world, which also include several Cubans,
are quite a bit higher.
twi...@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
>Just curious about how women's verticals compare to those of men's at
Then wal...@uiuc.edu (Wallace Hendricks) wrote:
> [snip] In the Olympics, the Cuban
> women's team had several women that could jump as high as many men on our
> national team. The best men in the world, which also include several Cubans,
> are quite a bit higher.
At the risk of showing my age, I remember reading that Rita Crockett's
vertical was 37" in her prime. Having watched the Cuban women in the 1996
Olympics, I'd guess some of them are in the same neighborhood. They
continuously and purposely set their left side hitters no more than a foot off
the net -- a clear trap set for 99% of the hitters in the world -- but their
hitters would invariably bang the ball down over the top of two 6'+
international-caliber blockers. So I'd guess they were jumping in high 30s,
perhaps even 40".
Tom Wilson
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VBCoacher
about one of the Cuban OHs that was 5'9"...and touched 11'2"....so, I guess the
relation between men and women in the verticle jump category can only be taken
case by case. I have met some guys that can only get of the ground a few
inche...and there are some other guys who can jump through the roof...it is the
same, in my experiences, with women.
Brandon Wilson
VBCo...@aol.com
Woozie
>I remember hearing one of the announcers at the 1996 Olympic games talking
>about one of the Cuban OHs that was 5'9"...and touched 11'2".
This was probably Mireya Luis. I've seen her vertical leap listed as
40". The program from the 1995 Bank of Hawaii Cup tournament lists
Luis as 5'9" with a spike of 11'2" and 2-hands as 10'4". Impressive
by any account. Note that no other player could match her spike
height despite heights of up to 6'2". The teams playing in that
tournament were USA, Cuba, China and Japan.
\\/oozie
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Allen Sawdey
While watching the finals of the State Farm Classic between Long Beach and
USC, it was said that a red-shirt freshman for Long Beach can touch 10'-7".
Her name is Tayyibe Haneef. She trained this past summer with the US
National Women's Team. More info can be found at
http://www.49ers.csulb.edu//Sports_information/Womens_volleyball/index.html
.
I also remember the announcers during the USA Cuba match at the olympics say
that Cuba had 3 players who could touch 11'.
Woozie
<REMOVET...@sonic.net> wrote:
>I also remember the announcers during the USA Cuba match at the olympics say
>that Cuba had 3 players who could touch 11'.
According to the program from the 1995 BankoH Cup, there were four
players who could touch 11'. They were: Mireya Luis (11'2"), Sonia
Lescaille (11'0"), Mercedes Calderon (11'0") and Magaly Carvajal
(11'1").
VBCoacher
>players who could touch 11'. They were: Mireya Luis (11'2"), Sonia
>Lescaille (11'0"), Mercedes Calderon (11'0") and Magaly Carvajal
>(11'1").
Hey, gimme a trampoline and I could touch those heights!!!!! :-)
Brandon Wilson
VBCo...@aol.com
Wallace Hendricks
The Official Teams Information and Media Guide for the 1996 Olympic Games
provides the spike reach for every athlete. The top four of each gender were:
M. Luis Hernandez (Cuba) 335 CM (11') (Note: She is 5'9"!)
Regla Torres (Cuba) 332 (She is 6'3")
T. Williams (USA) 328
Danielle Scott (USA) 328
V. Bovolenta (Italy) 362 CM (11'10")
Marcelo Negrao (Brazil) 360
Bas Van De Goor (Netherlands) 358
A. Giani (Italy) 356
(Top USA man Bryan Ivie 354 - he is listed as 6'7")
>On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 10:55:34 -0700, "Allen Sawdey"
><REMOVET...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I also remember the announcers during the USA Cuba match at the olympics say
>>that Cuba had 3 players who could touch 11'.
>
>According to the program from the 1995 BankoH Cup, there were four
>players who could touch 11'. They were: Mireya Luis (11'2"), Sonia
>Lescaille (11'0"), Mercedes Calderon (11'0") and Magaly Carvajal
>(11'1").
>
VBCoacher
>Marcelo Negrao (Brazil) 360
>Bas Van De Goor (Netherlands) 358
>A. Giani (Italy) 356
>(Top USA man Bryan Ivie 354 - he is listed as 6'7")
>
DAMN!!!! Anyone got me a cannon so I can touch 12'?
Hilbert
> According to the program from the 1995 BankoH Cup, there were four
> players who could touch 11'. They were: Mireya Luis (11'2"), Sonia
> Lescaille (11'0"), Mercedes Calderon (11'0") and Magaly Carvajal
> (11'1").
I'm pretty sure that if I ever got that far off the ground, my knees would
burn up on re-entry.
> \\/oozie
> <Go Bows!>
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> 4-Time National Runner-Up: 1974-1975 (AIAW), 1988, 1996
> National Attendance Leaders since 1994
> The Most-Loved Team in America
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Eric A Stout
Allen Sawdey <REMOVET...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>While watching the finals of the State Farm Classic between Long Beach and
>USC, it was said that a red-shirt freshman for Long Beach can touch 10'-7".
>Her name is Tayyibe Haneef. She trained this past summer with the US
It's important to note, though, that Haneef is 6'6". That means her
standing touch is probably at least 8'4" (standing flat-footed and
reaching with both hands). Taking the difference between an approach
touch of 10'7" and an 8'4" standing touch leaves you with a 27" vertical.
>I also remember the announcers during the USA Cuba match at the olympics say
>that Cuba had 3 players who could touch 11'.
That's all true. The Cuban volleyball program appears to emphasize jump
training more than the U.S. (or any other program in the world, for that
matter). U.S. appears to place more emphasis on strength training.
As a high school coach, my experience has been that a girl with a vertical
of 24" or greater is probably in the top 10% of girls' athletes (let alone
non-athletes!). We have 6 or 7 girls who touch higher than 9', and only
two who touch at least 9'6" (the tallest two, as you might imagine), out
of 23 players on two teams.
By contrast, good boys' athletes at the high school level often have
verticals greater than 30", and extremely good ones go 36" or more.
I'm always a little incredulous when I read that a player has a 48" or
50" vertical, though I suppose it's not unimaginable. But I'm about
6'3", I touch 8' standing, so a 48" vertical would have me touching 12'.
None of the men's players listed by another poster touches that high.
Marcelo Negrao, from Brazil, who jumps out of the gym, touches about
11'8", if I remember correctly.
I'm looking at the FIVB World League pages now. The Cuban men have
a lad who'll be 19 next month listed at 197 cm (6'5.5") tall, with a
spike touch of 365 cm (11'11.5"). Standing reach isn't listed, so
it's impossible to derive an accurate vertical leap from that information,
but a pretty good guess would be in the range of 36" to 39". That's the
best they've got, and they're apparently the best team in the world.
No one else on the top five teams (Cuba, Russia, Netherlands, Italy,
Brazil) appears to be a seious contender for the "Highest Flier" title.
The above-described Cuban, by the way, is listed as B. Leonel Marshall.
Get up!
Eric
C.S.
Stout) writes:
>
>In article <6sc4h3$7ni$1...@ultra.sonic.net>,
>Allen Sawdey <REMOVET...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>Her name is Tayyibe Haneef. She trained this past summer with the US
>
>It's important to note, though, that Haneef is 6'6". That means her
>standing touch is probably at least 8'4" (standing flat-footed and
>reaching with both hands). Taking the difference between an approach
>touch of 10'7" and an 8'4" standing touch leaves you with a 27"
vertical.
I had the honor of spending a week at the Olympic Training Center and
saw her frequently. She is very tall.
>
>I'm looking at the FIVB World League pages now. The Cuban men have
>a lad who'll be 19 next month listed at 197 cm (6'5.5") tall, with a
>spike touch of 365 cm (11'11.5"). Standing reach isn't listed, so
>it's impossible to derive an accurate vertical leap from that
information,
>but a pretty good guess would be in the range of 36" to 39". That's
the
>best they've got, and they're apparently the best team in the world.
>No one else on the top five teams (Cuba, Russia, Netherlands, Italy,
>Brazil) appears to be a seious contender for the "Highest Flier"
title.
>The above-described Cuban, by the way, is listed as B. Leonel
Marshall.
>
I just wanted to throw in a player at IPFW by the name of Hector Sato.
If I am not mistaken, as a sophomore this year, he made the ASICS All
American. Anyway, I heard that he "Reportedly" has a 49 to 51"
vertical.
Had to check it out myself. I will put it to you this way, from my
observation (again, I was up a few rows in the bleachers) it appears
that if Hector tried, he could spear himself between the eyes with the
top of the antenna. Its an exageration but he gets up there and I
think he is only 6' 5"(?). Hector is an exciting player to watch.
Curt
Hilbert
> It's important to note, though, that Haneef is 6'6". That means her
> standing touch is probably at least 8'4" (standing flat-footed and
> reaching with both hands). Taking the difference between an approach
> touch of 10'7" and an 8'4" standing touch leaves you with a 27" vertical.
Question, why is reach measured with two hands, and approach touch with
one hand? One can reach at least a couple of inches higher with one hand,
and since ideally one hits at full extension with one hand, it seems that
measuring reach with two hands, and approach touch with one hand gives a
false vertical.
Thomas Simchak
that was in the NORCECA tourney in Jan. of this year) had a young player
about 6'2" or so, who was waist high to the net during his approach. This
kid could flat out jump---no one else at the tournament was even close to
his vertical. My point of observation was from the sidelines, about 15 feet
from the court.
Tom Simchak
Eric A Stout
>a lad who'll be 19 next month listed at 197 cm (6'5.5") tall, with a
>spike touch of 365 cm (11'11.5"). Standing reach isn't listed, so
>it's impossible to derive an accurate vertical leap from that information,
>but a pretty good guess would be in the range of 36" to 39". That's the
Sorry, arithmetic lapse. That should be more like 42" to 44". A person
6'5.5" should have a standing reach between 8'3" and 8'6".
>Eric
Mike
Try it, I can reach about 6" higher by only using one hand. I know smaller
guys that I play against can't block anything with two hands, but have blocked
a few balls with only one hand up.
Hilbert
> Try it, I can reach about 6" higher by only using one hand. I know smaller
> guys that I play against can't block anything with two hands, but have blocked
> a few balls with only one hand up.
My point exactly... so, if when determining vert one measures standing
reach with two hands (let's say 7'9"), then approach touch with one hand
(9'11"), that gives a vertical of 26 inches. However, when
standing reach is measured by stretching with one hand, the number goes up
to 7'11", that changes the vert to 24 (before I got the shoulder tightened
up and became inflexible in my "old" age, the difference would likely have
been even more...).
Victor E. Lindal
Called the Sargent jump. This was they had to say.
"We expect all our players to be over one metre (39 inches)."
He didn't make a big deal out of it.
Vic
Eric A Stout
>one hand? One can reach at least a couple of inches higher with one hand,
>and since ideally one hits at full extension with one hand, it seems that
>false vertical.
That's a good question, for which I don't have a great answer. The best
I can do is to say that as long as you know what method is being used,
you can take the numbers for what they're worth. In point of fact,
vertical leap isn't a number that a coach should care much about.
Block touch and approach touch are the two important numbers; vertical
is more important to fans than anyone else, I think - not as a number,
but because it's impressive to see a guy who can spear himself with the
top of the antenna.
Eric