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HED3 - How True?

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Larry Himmel

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Jun 13, 2001, 11:38:33 AM6/13/01
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Any ideas on what the runout should be on a tri spoke like a HED 3? My
brand new rear wheel appears to have a couple of millimeters of wobble.
I can true my spoke wheels much closer than this.

Just what are the tolerances on these wheels?

Larry

Ken

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Jun 13, 2001, 10:15:16 AM6/13/01
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I believe that when Specialized made them they advertised a run-out
tolerance of plus or minus 1MM. When I bought my set I took my dial
indicator to the shop and set every wheel they had in stock up on a truing
stand and checked them. I found a few that were nearly perfect and some
that were borderline. I took the best of the lot but don't really believe
a MM of wobble makes any performance difference. I would be much concerned
about the OD being concentric so that there is no hop or a very minimum.
I have never seen anything published on HED tolerance specifications. Send
them an e-mail and ask.
Ken@Kauai

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Joe Braun

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Jun 13, 2001, 1:53:39 PM6/13/01
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i heard a way to retrue carbon wheels like that. this may be an old wives
tale but its worth a shot.

put the wheel in a freezer overnight and pull it out. it should straighten
it out.

????
jOe

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Larry Himmel

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Jun 13, 2001, 2:26:32 PM6/13/01
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Joe Braun wrote:

> i heard a way to retrue carbon wheels like that. this may be an old wives
> tale but its worth a shot.
>
> put the wheel in a freezer overnight and pull it out. it should straighten
> it out.
>
> ????
> jOe

Thanks, Joe.

But since it's a brand new wheel, I'm not too keen on fixing it. I think I'll
follow Ken's example and take my truing stand over to the store and check 'em
right there.

Larry

Larry Himmel

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Jun 13, 2001, 2:33:04 PM6/13/01
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Ken wrote:

> I believe that when Specialized made them they advertised a run-out
> tolerance of plus or minus 1MM.

That's acceptable.

> When I bought my set I took my dial
> indicator to the shop and set every wheel they had in stock up on a truing
> stand and checked them.

I was thinking the same thing. I believe I'll do that.

> I found a few that were nearly perfect and some
> that were borderline. I took the best of the lot but don't really believe
> a MM of wobble makes any performance difference.

It's more that a mm. It has a distinct bend in one spot - far more than I would
leave in a spoked wheel. Of course, the spoked wheel is probably more likely to
worsen with use than the tri spoke is.

> I would be much concerned
> about the OD being concentric so that there is no hop or a very minimum.

I'd better check that too.

>
> I have never seen anything published on HED tolerance specifications. Send
> them an e-mail and ask.

I'll have to find their email. Their website doesn't seem to work very well.
I've tried both browsers from 2 different locations and it still won't load
correctly.

Larry

Dan Empfield

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Jun 14, 2001, 10:21:19 AM6/14/01
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In article <3B27B1E0...@csulb.edu>, Larry Himmel
<lhi...@csulb.edu> wrote:

> I'll have to find their email. Their website doesn't seem to work very
> well.
> I've tried both browsers from 2 different locations and it still won't
> load
> correctly.

email: h...@iswest.com
web: http://www.hedcycling.com

website works great. it has both a flash and non-flash entry, which
you'll find on the home page. if you don't like the wheel send it back
and ask for another. they're very accommodating and will certainly take
care of your problem in a hurry.

slowman

Larry Himmel

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Jun 14, 2001, 12:10:20 PM6/14/01
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I went to their website yesterday right after posting and it was working.
But it was definitely not functioning for a couple of days last week.

I sent them an email yesterday with my questions. They replied that the
allowable runout is 2 mm on the HED 3. It is considerably more than their
spoke wheels due to lack of adjustment. This being my first experience
with solid wheels, I was curious as to what is reasonable. Now I know.

Larry

Dan Empfield

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Jun 14, 2001, 12:40:53 PM6/14/01
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In article <3B28E1EC...@csulb.edu>, Larry Himmel
<lhi...@csulb.edu> wrote:

> I went to their website yesterday right after posting and it was working.
> But it was definitely not functioning for a couple of days last week.
>
> I sent them an email yesterday with my questions. They replied that the
> allowable runout is 2 mm on the HED 3. It is considerably more than
> their
> spoke wheels due to lack of adjustment. This being my first experience
> with solid wheels, I was curious as to what is reasonable. Now I know.

i ride a pair of hed3s, and mine are not precisely true, but i'm fine
with this, because after having had a variety of disk wheels over the
years i'm hip to the fact that untruable monocoque wheels are just not
going to be dead-on. for those who are persnickety about absolute
trueness -- and i can't fault those who feel this way -- a steel-spoked
deep rim is the way to go.

but there is a plus and minus here. a hed3 will never get worse than it
is. a truable wheel will always obey entropy, which is to day, it sure
aint gonna get truer as time goes on.

slowman

Brian Wagner

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Jun 14, 2001, 1:45:25 PM6/14/01
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Dan Empfield wrote:
>
> i ride a pair of hed3s, and mine are not precisely true, but i'm fine
> with this, because after having had a variety of disk wheels over the
> years i'm hip to the fact that untruable monocoque wheels are just not
> going to be dead-on. for those who are persnickety about absolute
> trueness -- and i can't fault those who feel this way -- a steel-spoked
> deep rim is the way to go.
>
It would be illuminating, perhaps, to compare the runout spec for
Nimbles. Anyone know what it is?

Namsul

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Jun 20, 2001, 4:29:49 AM6/20/01
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You used to freeze the old "TUFF" BMX wheels (back in the first of the BMX
days) which were a plastic style compound, not caRbon to straighten
them...maybe this was where the wives tale originated.
If freezing carbon wheels straightened them wouldn't he opposite be
applicable too...would be a few wobbly wheels down the lava fields at Kona
in the bike leg......hehehe

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