Line call over-rule : Edberg's Match
Pawan Chaturvedi
the chair umpire to over-rule the decision of a line-man at such a crucial stage
of a match, as happened in Edberg's match. It is debatable if it would have had
any effect on the outcome of the match, but I thought it was improper of the
umpire to do that at such a point. Ofcourse, I don't approve of the crowd re-
action after that and nobody can take anything anything away from Cherkasov's(!)
effort.
In fact this is the first time I am noticing the player's asking the
umpire to check the mark where the ball dropped. Was it allowed earlier also?
I personally don't agree with the frequent over-ruling of the linesmen's
decisions by the chair-umpire, especially at such crucial points of the match.
If it happens so often, you cannot really blame the players for trying to pre-
ssurize the umpire, with such high stakes involved. And such decisions also
undermine the linesmen's authority ( ability!!) to make decisions. I wonder how
a player like McEnroe would react in such a situation.
Pawan
Emil Marcus
In article <1992May30....@cs.tulane.edu>
pa...@rampart.ee.tulane.edu
(Pawan Chaturvedi) writes:
>
> I was wondering if it is right ( I don't mean in the legal sense!) for
>the chair umpire to over-rule the decision of a line-man at such a crucial
>stage of a match, as happened in Edberg's match. It is debatable if it would
>have had any effect on the outcome of the match, but I thought it was improper
>of the umpire to do that at such a point. Of course, I don't approve of the
>crowd reaction after that and nobody can take anything anything away from
>Cherkasov's(!) effort.
>
> In fact this is the first time I am noticing the player's asking the
>umpire to check the mark where the ball dropped. Was it allowed earlier also?
>I personally don't agree with the frequent over-ruling of the linesmen's
>decisions by the chair-umpire, especially at such crucial points of the match.
>If it happens so often, you cannot really blame the players for trying to pre-
>ssurize the umpire, with such high stakes involved. And such decisions also
>undermine the linesmen's authority ( ability!!) to make decisions.
>I wonder how a player like MacEnroe would react in such a situation.
>Pawan
>
>pa...@bourbon.ee.tulane.edu
'Which shows (one more time !) that Edberg is a gentlemen !
IMO, Edberg and Chang deserve a trophy for fair-play, good behaviour
on court.
I agree with you: the chair umpire should not have over-ruled the call
made by the linesman! It was "legal", but... "On such a CLOSE
call"...: (*)
close to the line;
close to the linesmen;
close to the end of the match.
(*) This is exactly what Edberg said once to a chair umpire in quite a simillar
situation...
Emil Marcus mar...@acsu.buffalo.edu
shun.cheung
>the chair umpire to over-rule the decision of a line-man at such a crucial stage
>of a match, as happened in Edberg's match. It is debatable if it would have had
>any effect on the outcome of the match,
The chair umpire has the power to over-rule, regardless of whether
it is the first point of a match or a match point. Whether the over-rule
was "correct" or not is another issue. Edberg was down two sets to love
and 3-5 in the third-set tie break. There is little ground to argue that
Edberg would have won the match otherwise. This was NOT a fifth-set
tie break (e.g. at the US Open, they use tie-breaks in the fifty set).
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Bernie De La Torre
I totally agree. Earlier in the tiebreaker Edberg hit what appeared to be
an ace, but it was called out. The chair umpire did not get out of his chair.
I don't see how the chair umpire can justify checking the mark for Cherkasov
and not for Edberg.
I think that at that stage of a match you shouldn't overrule anything
unless it is a really bad call.
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Paul M. Wexelblat
In article <1992May30....@cs.tulane.edu>, pa...@rampart.ee.tulane.edu (Pawan Chaturvedi) writes:
|> I was wondering if it is right ( I don't mean in the legal sense!) for
|> the chair umpire to over-rule the decision of a line-man at such a crucial stage
|> In fact this is the first time I am noticing the player's asking the
|> umpire to check the mark where the ball dropped. Was it allowed earlier also?
|> I personally don't agree with the frequent over-ruling of the linesmen's
|> decisions by the chair-umpire, especially at such crucial points of the match.
This point of the posting also deserves a comment;
There is much more checking in this topurnement than you remember because
it is being played on clay, a surface that actually retains a mark.
It has always been legal, and in fact,the player who requests a mark to
be checked must ask the linesman to check it first, then either may
appeal to the umpire. I notices that the fans get much more upset at
overrules than the players (even in the Edberg match). I understand that
the players prefer that the calls be accurate, as clay allows, than the
way it is on other surfaces.
I have read that the players who have tried out the automated systems
are satisfied that they are consistent, if not always accurate
(in their opinions). At least one commented that having
the linespeople change every few games is worst.
One more comment:
Someone on ESPN commented that the balls they were using were
SMALLER?? did I hear right? What kind of balls are they using??
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Siva Subramaniam
I have a question regarding two first round matches.
Who played and lost the first round match against Jaime Oncins?
Who played and lost the first round match against Shuzo Matsuoka?
Thanks in advance.
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Ian Rowlands
>
>I totally agree. Earlier in the tiebreaker Edberg hit what appeared to be
>an ace, but it was called out. The chair umpire did not get out of his chair.
>I don't see how the chair umpire can justify checking the mark for Cherkasov
>and not for Edberg.
There is an easy way to justify it. Cherkasov asked for it to be
checked, Edberg didn't. It's that simple. If the umpire had REFUSED to look
(which I believe he can't anyway), that's different.
>I think that at that stage of a match you shouldn't overrule anything
>unless it is a really bad call.
What's the difference between the first point and the last? Both can
turn a match. It's not as if a split-second overrule was made, there was
a lot of time to consider the call. But that's beside the point. The umpire
must overrule anything that is a clear mistake. In the umpire's mind it was
a clear mistake and he acted accordingly.
Ian
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K. SHIMOKOSHI
> Hello dudes,
> I have a question regarding two first round matches.
> Who played and lost the first round match against Jaime Oncins?
> Who played and lost the first round match against Shuzo Matsuoka?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
Shuzo Matsuoka who is a best japanese tennis player had no first round match.
The second match against Korda is his first match, and he lost in 5 sets.
A japanese tennis fan
K.Shimokoshi
Univ. of Stuttgart, Germany
Clark L. Coleman
>Hello dudes,
> I have a question regarding two first round matches.
> Who played and lost the first round match against Jaime Oncins?
> Who played and lost the first round match against Shuzo Matsuoka?
We heard that Matsuoka beat Daniel Orsanic, but I have yet to hear about
Jaime Oncins' first round opponent. Anybody have the answer?
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