Old man tennis footwork

[PeteWasLucky]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/

It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.


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[Sawfish]

On 5/20/23 6:58 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/
>
> It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.
>
>

In this clip he sure seemed to like the low ball.

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[PeteWasLucky]

Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> On 5/20/23 6:58 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/>> It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.>>In this clip he sure seemed to like the low ball.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"...and your little dog, too!" --Sawfish

It's weird, even if the ball isn't low he is starting from low position and almost is hugging or containing the ball.

[Sawfish]

On 5/20/23 9:16 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
>> On 5/20/23 6:58 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/>> It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.>>In this clip he sure seemed to like the low ball.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"...and your little dog, too!" --Sawfish
> It's weird, even if the ball isn't low he is starting from low position and almost is hugging or containing the ball.

Especially FH, huh?

I really liked seeing the BH from this angle. I see it now quite
differently than before. He drops the racquet head obliquely. Just for
descriptive purposes, if we consider the right-hander 1H BH stroke as
being delivered with the handle/racquet as roughly parallel to the
ground (few really do this, but just to get a picture), what Fed does is
to get the head much lower than the handle and swoop upward. Like the
slash character /, with the handle upper right and the head lower left.
Not so pronounced, but...

I really enjoyed trying to refine/improve my 1H BH, and once I adopted
an eastern BH grip I worked on how/where to met the ball, and by god, I
tried to never let it get as low as he routinely was hitting it in the
clip. The actual alignment/presentation of the racquet head at impact is
FAR from what I was doing. I wanted to make contact much higher,
belt-level if I could.

Since Fed is taking it so low, apparently by design, do you suppose
that's what Nadal's coaches saw early on, and that's why he tried to get
the ball high on Fed's BH?

E.g., I do not think that Thiem hits the ball as low as Fed, and maybe
not Wawrinka, either.

What do you think? I'm just working from the top of my head, from
memory, and could be wrong on Thiem/Wawrinka.

It would be really fun to see Fed/Thiem/Wawrinka/Shapavolov/Tsitsi BH
from the same angle we saw in the clip, for comparison sake.

Maybe Tsitsi is the closest to Fed?

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[PeteWasLucky]

Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

> On 5/20/23 9:16 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 5/20/23 6:58 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/>> It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.>>In this clip he sure seemed to like the low ball.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"...and your little dog, too!" --Sawfish> It's weird, even if the ball isn't low he is starting from low position and almost is hugging or containing the ball.Especially FH, huh?I really liked seeing the BH from this angle. I see it now quite differently than before. He drops the racquet head obliquely. Just for descriptive purposes, if we consider the right-hander 1H BH stroke as being delivered with the handle/racquet as roughly parallel to the ground (few really do this, but just to get a picture), what Fed does is to get the head much lower than the handle and swoop upward. Like the slash character /, with the handle upper right and the head lower left. Not so pronounced, but...I really enjoyed trying to refine/improve my 1H BH, and once I adopted an eastern BH grip I worked on how/where to met the ball, and by god, I tried to never let it get as low as he routinely was hitting it in the clip. The actual alignment/presentation of the racquet head at impact is FAR from what I was doing. I wanted to make contact much higher, belt-level if I could.Since Fed is taking it so low, apparently by design, do you suppose that's what Nadal's coaches saw early on, and that's why he tried to get the ball high on Fed's BH?E.g., I do not think that Thiem hits the ball as low as Fed, and maybe not Wawrinka, either.What do you think? I'm just working from the top of my head, from memory, and could be wrong on Thiem/Wawrinka.It would be really fun to see Fed/Thiem/Wawrinka/Shapavolov/Tsitsi BH from the same angle we saw in the clip, for comparison sake.Maybe Tsitsi is the closest to Fed?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Grandpa, not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car." --Sawfish~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Saw

I liked the "/" it summarized what I wanted say. But I need to
add little details later.

[Whisper]

On 20/05/2023 11:58 pm, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/
>
> It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.
>
>

Looks clunky compared to McEnroe and Sampras

[Whisper]

On 21/05/2023 2:16 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
>> On 5/20/23 6:58 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/>> It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.>>In this clip he sure seemed to like the low ball.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"...and your little dog, too!" --Sawfish
>
> It's weird, even if the ball isn't low he is starting from low position and almost is hugging or containing the ball.

Looks like he's losing valuable milliseconds reacting to what opponent
does, no real anticipation. This fault was most evident at the net
where he looked like Lurch and had absolutely no idea where the ball was
coming from. Overall a fine player, but many others are far better to
watch if you want to see fluid motion and artistry. Federer looked good
in the context of his early era, but he was playing against stiff bozos
so even Lendl would have looked like Baryshnikov.

[gap...@gmail.com]

Lol, Fed look clunky, what a fukking jackass, Rafa looked like a faggot in heat!

[Rich D]

On May 20, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/
>
> It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.

He appears, in that clip, to use minimal wrist snap. The racket is
an extension of his arm, swung as a unit.

Which is odd, since when I watch the pros, they're very wristy.

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[PeteWasLucky]

Whisper <whi...@ozemail.com.au> Wrote in message:r
> On 21/05/2023 2:16 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:> Sawfish <sawfi...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> On 5/20/23 6:58 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/>> It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.>>In this clip he sure seemed to like the low ball.-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"...and your little dog, too!" --Sawfish> > It's weird, even if the ball isn't low he is starting from low position and almost is hugging or containing the ball.Looks like he's losing valuable milliseconds reacting to what opponent does, no real anticipation. This fault was most evident at the net where he looked like Lurch and had absolutely no idea where the ball was coming from. Overall a fine player, but many others are far better to watch if you want to see fluid motion and artistry. Federer looked good in the context of his early era, but he was playing against stiff bozos so even Lendl would have looked like Baryshnikov.

Is this what brings life back in you?

[PeteWasLucky]

Rich D <rdelan...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> On May 20, PeteWasLucky wrote:> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/ > > It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court. He appears, in that clip, to use minimal wrist snap. The racket is an extension of his arm, swung as a unit.Which is odd, since when I watch the pros, they're very wristy.--Rich

With the same arm and racquet take back, he can hit the ball flat or swing on it in a horizontal plane with full rotation of wrist and hit the ball in the front of him.
You can see the full rotation action when he is going for the kill.

Watch the last 3-4 fhs he hit in this tb

https://youtu.be/MFCSlbEDkHw?start=940

[The Iceberg]

that's cos Fed's hitting it how you're meant to unlike super-wrist Tiafoe(amazed he hasn't broken his wrist yet) and co. It's also why Fed didn't have any wrist injuries. Would be interesting to know where his knee injury came from.

[Pelle Svanslös]

On 23.5.2023 11.10, The Iceberg wrote:
> On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 01:43:37 UTC+1, Rich D wrote:
>> On May 20, PeteWasLucky wrote:
>>> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/
>>>
>>> It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.
>> He appears, in that clip, to use minimal wrist snap. The racket is
>> an extension of his arm, swung as a unit.
>>
>> Which is odd, since when I watch the pros, they're very wristy.
>
> that's cos Fed's hitting it how you're meant to

Federer is very "wristy" too. You can see it in the above clip also. You
can see it better here

https://youtu.be/S7XBP6Eg29Y?t=34

Arm, racquet swung as a unit is the McEnroe FH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19gmJilFKlI

Nobody hits it like that anymore. There's two more joints in the Fed FH,
the elbow and the wrist. McEnroe wishes he could use them too.

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[The Iceberg]

On Tuesday, 23 May 2023 at 11:33:12 UTC+1, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> On 23.5.2023 11.10, The Iceberg wrote:
> > On Sunday, 21 May 2023 at 01:43:37 UTC+1, Rich D wrote:
> >> On May 20, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> >>> https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTREMxH98/
> >>>
> >>> It was taken for granted and we don't get to think about his footwork, he made it to look very easy on court.
> >> He appears, in that clip, to use minimal wrist snap. The racket is
> >> an extension of his arm, swung as a unit.
> >>
> >> Which is odd, since when I watch the pros, they're very wristy.
> >
> > that's cos Fed's hitting it how you're meant to
> Federer is very "wristy" too. You can see it in the above clip also. You
> can see it better here

not in the swing he isn't which was what was referring to.

> https://youtu.be/S7XBP6Eg29Y?t=34
>
> Arm, racquet swung as a unit is the McEnroe FH.

yes there a big difference between the very amazing superb natural McEnroe and the very mechanical over-coached "modern" Fed style.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19gmJilFKlI
>
> Nobody hits it like that anymore. There's two more joints in the Fed FH,
> the elbow and the wrist. McEnroe wishes he could use them too.

McEnroe doesn't need to, it's called talent Pelle, talent!