hingis/kournikova and the "flower incident" - what really happened
big benz
kournikova in the "flower incident". no satisfactory answers were
forthcoming. the best that you can get from kournikova's web site is some
lame statement of how she doesn't discuss her personal life. thanks a lot.
lindsay davenport said that it was all about "marketing". well, they're back
together, and i don't think that kournikova has ditched any of her endorsement
deals. people are clearly dancing around what the real deal is here. i
think the original poster is deserving of a better answer than the paltry
offering which have been given. the following is the big benz version of
what i think really happened...
WARNING: the following discussion contains open, and honest discussion about
LESBIANS that pulls no punches. if you don't think that you can
handle it, PLEASE STOP READING THIS POST NOW; for i do not want to
offend more sensitive readers.
(discussion continues below)
background - so we know what we're really talking about here
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before we get into this discussion we need to define terms. that's because
women don't use language the way that we do; there is what women *say* and
what women *mean*, and they frequently aren't the same thing. by comparison,
when guys say something it tends to mean literally what they say.
when it comes to lesbians, there are a number of ways in which women engage
in lesbian action - most of them are not referred to as being "lesbianism" by
women. it's much the same as with women who turn you down when you're
trying to get action by telling you that they are "saving it for marriage".
yet, they'll give you a blow job, or let you bone them in the ass because
they don't constitute "sex" (which is being saved for marriage), at least not
on their minds.
it's not that women are "lying" in the sense that we would think of it, it's
just that you have to understand that what women 'say' and what they 'mean'
are not one in the same. it's real complicated but as a guy explained it to
me, it has to do with hormones that makes women think differently.
so when it comes to lesbians there are basically 3 different ways in which
women engage in lesbian activity:
- "incidental lesbians": these are women who normally engage in
sex with guys, but you know how women are always hugging and
kissing each other. well, sometimes with this hugging and kissing
stuff, it can sometimes occur that one thing can lead to another;
their rubbing each other, they're getting aroused, and next thing
you know, their getting into it.
in such cases, they finish off matters, and go on about their
business. there's no relationship about it, or plans for further
such assignations, it was just an incidental affair, they each go
back to their (male) significant others. to women, this does not
constitute "lesbian relations", and as such, they do not consider
themselves to be lesbian in any way. i think that it helps them
get more aroused in heterosexual relations because they fantisize
the lesbian action which makes them hotter. the guy thinks, that
it's because of him...
- "bisexuals": pretty obvious, what's going on with this. this refers
to women who get into sexual relations with men as well as women.
- "hardcore lesbians": these are women who engage in lesbian relations
to the exclusion of any involvement with guys.
most women fall in the "incidental lesbian" category, with this option
available to them, and the ability to rationalize it such that it does not
controvert their status as heterosexuals, you can see why the number of gay
guys so outnumbers the number of hardcore lesbians. bisexual women outnumber
hardcore lesbians, but are likewise small in number in relation to the number
of what we here call "incidental lesbians".
the flower incident
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with all of this as prologue, we are now ready to discuss the flower incident.
let us first establish that flowers don't naturally just take root and grow
on tables. that they were present in the "flower incident" is evidence that
someone *bought* the flowers to *give* to someone else. in this case, we
have two women in this scene, so it follows that one woman bought the flowers
for the other woman.
hingis and kournikova had the bisexual thing going: they had their lesbian
relationship, coupled with meaningless relationships with men to provide
cover. however, hingis came to be weary of sharing kournikova with guys,
regardless of how meaningless the relationships might be. after all, you
never know what could happen, there was the ever present possibility that she
just might lose kournikova to one of those guys. consequently, hingis wanted
kournikova all to herself; she wanted a committed LESBIAN relationship. in
making her proposition she bought a lovely bouquet of flowers for kounikova,
as lovers often do, hoping to persuade kournikova to favorably receive her
proposal.
but kournikova was concerned about her endorsements, and that disclosure of
their LESBIAN relationship might have a negative impact on her commercial
endorsement prospects. hingis became enraged that all that kournikova could
think about were endorsements; what about their relationship? well, the
discussion escalated into an argument, with rising tempers on both sides.
eventually, the argument turned from verbal conflict to physical: what began
fusillade of obscenity-laced words being hurled to and fro turned into a
fusillade of flowers being thrown at each other.
thus, we have the incident which came to be known as "the flower incident".
as a result of the breakup of their relationship, hingis and kournikova also
disbanded their doubles team. the mothers were undoubtedly pleased with this
turn of events. there was much ill-will between the mother with each blaming
the other for the "corrupting" influence of the other's daughter on hers.
pride kept the two of them apart, of course, and fruitless attempts to steep
more deeply in meaningless and unfulfilling heterosexual relationships in
search of some form of balm, even if carnal in nature, to soothe the pain of
the broken relationship. hingis engaged in an increasing number of
meaningless relationships with men in a race to prove that she could get more
men than kournikova. her attempts at "looking for mr. goodbar" nearly had
results as tragic as those of the diane keaton character, and resulted in
criminal prosecution of a stalker. even still, hingis still made yet another
tragic attempt at further male assignations, including one with the district
attorney prosecuting the stalker case, but it wasn't the same.
some time later there were reports of a kournikova marriage to a (male)
russian hockey player playing in the national hockey league, and that after
the marriage the supposed newly weds returned to florida "to practice their
sports". the rumors were denied although shortly afterwards it was revealed
that hingis and kournikova had gotten back together and had been "practicing"
in florida prior to entering as a doubles team at the acura classic.
explicit discussion of the transactions that occured during hingis' and
kournikova's reunion would serve only to appeal to prurient interests, and
are therefore not appropriate in a newsgroup such as this. but to give you
an idea of how hot the action most certainly must have been, you can consider
the book "call me crazy" by anne heche, who had a 3 year lesbian relationship
with ellen degeneres in which she described her first night of lez action
with degeneres as being the hottest that she had ever experienced (in other
words, hotter than with any guy that she had previously done). maybe you can
undestand why most women feel a need to get into it with other women, even if
on an "incidental" basis.
G. M. Lupo
> let us first establish that flowers don't naturally just take root and
> grow on tables. that they were present in the "flower incident" is
> evidence that someone *bought* the flowers to *give* to someone else.
I thought the flowers had been given to them by the organizers of
whatever tournament they'd just played in. Didn't "the incident"
occur just after they'd played a doubles match? Does this mean
that the organizers of the tournament were lesbians?
Matt Lupo
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Sericinus hunter
provide a reference to the source?
big benz wrote:
>
> there was a question a while ago about what happened between hingis and
[...]
Bartleby
video. Thanks for the review!
Ukrfan
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> Is it what you think or you read it somewhere?
Neither. It's just his masturbatory dreams.
Regards, Yury
big benz
> big benz wrote:
>
> > let us first establish that flowers don't naturally just take root and
> > grow on tables. that they were present in the "flower incident" is
> > evidence that someone *bought* the flowers to *give* to someone else.
>
> I thought the flowers had been given to them by the organizers of
> whatever tournament they'd just played in. Didn't "the incident"
> occur just after they'd played a doubles match? Does this mean
> that the organizers of the tournament were lesbians?
>
ok, so maybe hingis took flowers that were given to her and tried to pass
them off to kournikova and make it appear that she bought them...it wouldn't
be the first time that something like that would have been done.
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
(big benz) usenetted:
> ok, so maybe hingis took flowers that were given to her and tried to
> pass
> them off to kournikova and make it appear that she bought them...it
> wouldn't
> be the first time that something like that would have been done.
It's your fantasy; you can have it any way you want.
wg
/strncat/
uniqueness but perhaps a "D-" for taste and maybe less than that for
"substantiation." ;-)
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G. M. Lupo
> "G. M. Lupo" wrote:
>
> > I thought the flowers had been given to them by the organizers of
> > whatever tournament they'd just played in. Didn't "the incident"
> > occur just after they'd played a doubles match? Does this mean
> > that the organizers of the tournament were lesbians?
>
> big benz wrote:
>
> ok, so maybe hingis took flowers that were given to her and tried to
> pass them off to kournikova and make it appear that she bought
> them...it wouldn't be the first time that something like that would
> have been done.
But they competed as a doubles team. Why would the organizers
give flowers to one contestant and not the other?
At the very least, it suggests that there are some serious holes
in your theory.
big benz
>
> But they competed as a doubles team. Why would the organizers
> give flowers to one contestant and not the other?
>
> At the very least, it suggests that there are some serious holes
> in your theory.
>
look, the flowers were there, what's the big deal with respect to how they
got there? you've got to be a serious denialist to think that all there is
between hingis and kournikova is playing doubles in tennis. i recall seeing
the cheshire cat-like grin on hingis' face their first match back together;
you could tell that hingis was getting some of it.
big benz
>
> I have to agree here. This whole discussion is odd. I'll give it an "A" for
> uniqueness but perhaps a "D-" for taste and maybe less than that for
> "substantiation." ;-)
>
no, i haven't caught them in flagrante delicto, if i had, i'd have sold the
pics to playboy magazine and made a mint. but it seems inconceivable to the
non-denialist, that hingis and kournikova aren't involved in something more
than just tennis.
big benz
the bottom line here is that there is considerably reason to suspect that
hingis and kournikova are involved in a lesbian relationship. i would say
that a very large percentage of eastern european women are lesbians. for
example, just to name a few:
player origin orientation
------ ------ -----------
martina navratilova eastern europe lesbian
hana mandlikova eastern europe lesbian
jana novotna eastern europe lesbian
and here i'm just listing a few of the hard core lezbo's. guess where the
origin of hingis and kournikova are? you got it.
most eastern european women look so much like guys it's hard to tell them
apart. you might as well be talking about gertrude stein and alice b. toklas,
yuk! at least hingis and kournikova are good looking enough for guys to get
turned on.
i think that even you suspect that there is something going on between the
two of them beyond tennis. but as long as they stay in the closet about it,
i suppose that makes it easy for you to stay in denial.
Ukrfan
"big benz" <big...@mindspring.com> ???????/???????? ? ???????? ?????????:
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> wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> >
> > It's your fantasy; you can have it any way you want.
> >
>
> the bottom line here is that there is considerably reason to suspect that
> hingis and kournikova are involved in a lesbian relationship. i would say
> that a very large percentage of eastern european women are lesbians. for
> example, just to name a few:
>
> player origin orientation
> ------ ------ -----------
> martina navratilova eastern europe lesbian
> hana mandlikova eastern europe lesbian
> jana novotna eastern europe lesbian
>
> and here i'm just listing a few of the hard core lezbo's. guess where the
> origin of hingis and kournikova are? you got it.
>
> most eastern european women look so much like guys it's hard to tell them
> apart.
You're even more idiotic than I could guess....
big benz
> > apart.
>
> You're even more idiotic than I could guess....
>
that statement was a little over the top. i apologize for any offense.
Whisper
honestly can't think of 1 attractive American actress - seriously.
g. p. calliauw
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> Generally speaking, Euorpean women are a lot more attractive than
American. I
> honestly can't think of 1 attractive American actress - seriously.
>
I take it that this is another of your "I'm never wrong" opinions?
JS
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> Generally speaking, Euorpean women are a lot more attractive than
> American.
And hairy.
>I honestly can't think of 1 attractive American actress - seriously.
Granted most of the top tier actresses aren't really pretty. Julia Roberts
comes to my mind as an example, IIHO. But there are plenty of very
attractive
American actresses who don't get top-billing. Kelly Preston, Jennifer
Connelly,
Monica Potter...I could go on, but I'll stop.