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ra_...@iname.com

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Nov 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/13/98
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Hi,
I have had a tennis elbow for several months now.
Couple of months ago I got the cortisone shot and it went away for
couple of weeks and then the pain come back.
I have changed my way of playing to compensate this problem and try to
hit the ball with both hands on both sides ( started to work for me :)

Then few weeks later I was playing and something popped in the elbow
so badly that I could not hold the racket.
My doctor give me another cortisone shot and after a week this pain
want away.
Since I am not getting any help from the doc I would like to know what
worked for you.
I would like to get into the game but the pain is just to much.
I need to set a plan which will solve my problem, I will do whatever
it takes .
On the top of playing tennis I wind surf and that does not help it.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
robert

Richard Y. Wong

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Nov 13, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/13/98
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ra_...@iname.com wrote:
>
> Hi,

> Then few weeks later I was playing and something popped in the elbow
> so badly that I could not hold the racket.
> My doctor give me another cortisone shot and after a week this pain
> want away.
> Since I am not getting any help from the doc I would like to know what
> worked for you.
> robert

So far I haven't acquired tendonitis but if your elbow popped,
that can be a sign of severe tear in the tendon or ligament.
I would go to an orthopedic specialist and ask for an MRI.

Richard

ChrisSpark

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Nov 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/14/98
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>I would go to an orthopedic specialist and ask for an MRI.

I agree with the above advice. Usually elbow pain comes from the irritation and
swelling of the ligaments attaching to the elbow and is aggrivated by improper
positioning of the wrist at impact. I had a pretty severe case that was
resolved by using a tennis elbow brace that has an air cushion used to apply
extra pressure to hold the muscles in the forearm down. However, if you are
hearing a popping noise, it could be more serious.
Good luck with it. I am sure that the rest will help the inflammation reside,
but if there is a structural problem in the joint, you need to determine how it
can best be addressed.

ca...@my-dejanews.com

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Nov 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/14/98
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I had tennis elbow 4 years ago. I tried resting it, cold compresses, all the
various braces, etc.. But whenever I went back to playing, there it would be
again in a few days. The only solution I found was to change my technique for
backhands. Both the two handed backhand and better technique with the one
handed (e.g. make a full shoulder turn, swing out fully using the ring finger
knuckle to lead the swing) worked wonders. Haven't had tennis elbow since. A
change of technique is the only permanent solution. It seems tennis elbow is
particularly rough for those who use the super light and super stiff rackets.

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enorvell

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Nov 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/14/98
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> The only solution I found was to change my technique for
> backhands.

Which implies that it was brought on by improper technique.

There are two approaches : cure after the fact, or prevention before
the fact.

Any good doctor will espouse the latter.

Get lessons in technique.

Use good soft strings ( string IS cheaper than
an elbow, isn't it ?!?). Example : Wilson Sensation NXT , Prince DNA
Helix Soft, Babolat VS Power , etc.

Switch to an 'elbow-friendly' frame.

Work out with weights ( start under supervision) to strengthen your
arm.

-ec

TCH U 10S

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Nov 14, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/14/98
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Never heard of a "poppong" noise from the wrist as being just Tennis Elbow.
did you have it xrayed? there is an article i believe in Oct .tennis mag about
Tennis elbow. Have you double checked to make certain you have the correct
grip size and also have someone watch you practice especially your backhand
swing. when you try to correct something you sometimes end up overcompensating
something else and this could cause troubles. I f everything checks out ok
then its the old cure all-stop playing completely or try resting it for a week
and giving those bands a try. Luckily for me never had any problems like that!
Good luck.
Teresa

Scall5

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Nov 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/15/98
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ra_...@iname.com wrote:

>Hi,
>I have had a tennis elbow for several months now.

A friend of mine had a mild case of tennis elbow and was able to get rid of it
by taking a month off of tennis and by doing strength training on his forearms.
FYI
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Robert Augustyn

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Nov 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/15/98
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Thanks,
I have an appointment next week.
robert

Richard Y. Wong wrote in message <364CB1DC...@email.sps.mot.com>...


>ra_...@iname.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Then few weeks later I was playing and something popped in the elbow
>> so badly that I could not hold the racket.
>> My doctor give me another cortisone shot and after a week this pain
>> want away.
>> Since I am not getting any help from the doc I would like to know what
>> worked for you.
>> robert
>
>So far I haven't acquired tendonitis but if your elbow popped,
>that can be a sign of severe tear in the tendon or ligament.

>I would go to an orthopedic specialist and ask for an MRI.
>

>Richard

Robert Augustyn

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Nov 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/15/98
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Chris,
I hawe tryed several braces but with no help.
What brace do you use and where did you get it?
Thanks
robert

ChrisSpark wrote in message <19981113234518...@ng41.aol.com>...


>>I would go to an orthopedic specialist and ask for an MRI.
>

Robert Augustyn

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Nov 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/15/98
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Thanks,
Will take lessons.
I have been using Gamma TNT and XL are those soft?
What is an elbow-friendly frame?
I have been using Head Presitge Tour 300 which is relativly havy.
Thanks
robert

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Robert Augustyn

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Nov 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/15/98
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Teresa,
I can not find the October issue
Can you let me know how to get the right size of grip?
thanks
robert

ca...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <72jhhi$tgh$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...


>I had tennis elbow 4 years ago. I tried resting it, cold compresses, all
the
>various braces, etc.. But whenever I went back to playing, there it would
be

>again in a few days. The only solution I found was to change my technique
for


>backhands. Both the two handed backhand and better technique with the one
>handed (e.g. make a full shoulder turn, swing out fully using the ring
finger
>knuckle to lead the swing) worked wonders. Haven't had tennis elbow since.
A
>change of technique is the only permanent solution. It seems tennis elbow
is
>particularly rough for those who use the super light and super stiff
rackets.
>
>In article <19981113234518...@ng41.aol.com>,
> chris...@aol.com (ChrisSpark) wrote:

>> >I would go to an orthopedic specialist and ask for an MRI.
>>
>> I agree with the above advice. Usually elbow pain comes from the
irritation
>and
>> swelling of the ligaments attaching to the elbow and is aggrivated by
>improper
>> positioning of the wrist at impact. I had a pretty severe case that was
>> resolved by using a tennis elbow brace that has an air cushion used to
apply
>> extra pressure to hold the muscles in the forearm down. However, if you
are
>> hearing a popping noise, it could be more serious.
>> Good luck with it. I am sure that the rest will help the inflammation
reside,
>> but if there is a structural problem in the joint, you need to determine
how
>it
>> can best be addressed.
>>
>

Mike Danielson

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Nov 15, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/15/98
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> Tennis elbow does not involve the joint, so you are not going to damage the
> elbow. Explore this topic by using search engines on the net--you will find a
> lot on it. What you need to do is (1) get to a physical therapist and learn the
> strengthening exercises that will help overcome this problem, (2) have a tennis
> pro teach you a two-handed backhand, (3) wear an elbow brace--they help, (4) get
> a Kenex Kinetic racket that reduces the shock. Do not go for the injection of
> steroids--it is a waste of time and money. Don't do surgery unless it is the
> absolute last hope. Orthopedists rarely give good advice on this injury--they
> are focused on surgery.

You have my sympathy
Mike D

>


Woody Jin

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Nov 16, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/16/98
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In article <loE32.620$k82.7...@hme2.newscontent-01.sprint.ca>, "Robert Augustyn" <raug...@sprint.ca> wrote:
> .... Will do this for tennis elbow ...
> .... Will do that for tennis elbow ...

>Will take lessons.
>I have been using Gamma TNT and XL are those soft?
>What is an elbow-friendly frame?
>I have been using Head Presitge Tour 300 which is relativly havy.
> ....

Robert, it looks like you are in such a desperate situation.
As a person who also went through the similar situation,
I would like to give you some thoughts.
When my stroke technique was not appropriate, my tennis
elbow was a big problem. At one time, I couldn't even lift my
arm well (without having anything in my hand).

For the treatment for the tennis elbow, forget about
surgery, ortho-blah-blah. ...etc.
Just take rest. Don't use your elbow (this means that
you don't play tennis or lift things with your problem arm).
This is the best and the safest method.

After then, learn proper stroke technique. Once you learned it
correctly, you will never have a tennis elbow problem, even
though you hit harder and play everyday.

Most important thing in the stroke techniques is that
your wrist should be the major center of racket rotation.
Of course, your shoulder rotates, and your elbow also
rotates, but they should not contribute to the impact or
power to hitting the ball. Once your elbow contributes,
it gets as much impact as it gives, which will eventually
lead to the tennis elbow.

So, how do you achieve this ?

1) Relax your wrist (and all other body parts -especially your
whole arm and shoulder - without relaxation, nothing
can be achieved).
2) Now, you are going to simply pull the racket to the ball
with your wrist totally relaxed, and the ball contacting
point should be a little bit front.
This can be the one of the most difficult part if you get
use to stiffen your arm swinging the racket with your
arm's force, which probably has contributed to your
tennis elbow. So, keep working on it.
3) Once you get used to 2) after long and hard working,
try to add topspin by brushing over the ball as soon
as you feel the ball contact.
4) The above 1) 2) 3) is not enough. You need to learn
to generate the power mostly by racket rotation centered
in your wrist. If you wonder, take a careful look at the pros.
You will notice that their racket is laid back when the ball
is very close and suddenly the racket head rotates around
their wrist and the ball is whipped.
At this level (after you finished the above 1) 2) and 3) ),
you are ready to practice to wait for the ball until the ball
is very close to you, and whip the ball instantly.
This is another one that you need to take time and get used to,
since now you don't have enough time and you force your
instinct to whip the ball hard using natural force. The racket
should rotate 180 degrees around your wrist from back to
the front, and you should be able to feel it. Forget about the
the follow through, since that should happen automatically.
5) The same is true for your backhand.
Lay back your racket and wait until the ball is very close to
the contact point. and your wrist should be the ratation center.
Your whole arm moves from back to forward, but that's only
to control the ball and your balance, and should not contribute
to the power. The major power comes from the the fast/instant
racket rotation around your wrist. Also, relaxing your wrist is
very important. Don't ever try to rotate the racket with your
wrist intensionally with force. Let that happen naturally.
Your wrist only needs to be a rotating center, and nothing else.

Finally, in my experience, it was never easy.
It was a frustrating one. But with patience, and step by step
method, you will get it someday.

Very recently, I happened to play tennis everyday (for three weeks).
I was worried that my tennis elbow might re-occur, since tennis
elbow is a result from repetitive shocks. No problem at all, so far.

Hope this helps :-)

--
Woody

IAmGodboy

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Nov 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/17/98
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Pour Epsom Salt in a sink....soak your arm. Also, lift weights...the arm has to
be stronger to take the punishment (get that hand grip thing and do it to
death). Learn correct form, probably the most important thing. Take more rest
days.

Rawnk

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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On Sun, 15 Nov 1998 16:38:00, "Robert Augustyn" <raug...@sprint.ca>
wrote:

> Thanks,
> I have an appointment next week.
> robert
>
> Richard Y. Wong wrote in message <364CB1DC...@email.sps.mot.com>...
> >ra_...@iname.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> Then few weeks later I was playing and something popped in the elbow
> >> so badly that I could not hold the racket.
> >> My doctor give me another cortisone shot and after a week this pain
> >> want away.

I was told that the cortisone has two effects. It reduces the
inflammation and it makes the ligament weaker and more subject ot
actual breakage or tearing.

Sounds like your problem. MRI sounds like the right approach.


> >> Since I am not getting any help from the doc I would like to know what
> >> worked for you.
> >> robert
> >
> >So far I haven't acquired tendonitis but if your elbow popped,
> >that can be a sign of severe tear in the tendon or ligament.

> >I would go to an orthopedic specialist and ask for an MRI.
> >

> >Richard
>
>

Micaza

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Nov 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/21/98
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acupuncture: it's the fastest treatment for muscles & tendons

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