Is Chris Evert the worst?
MILESFNW
already.
Is it just me, or is Chris Evert the most biased and unappealing commentator in
the game?
During the Graf/Dokic match, I found myself yelling at the T.V. for her to just
shut up. Maybe it's me.
Milesfnw
dar
Not me. I think she's fine. Yes, she's biased. So waht? That's what
commentators are paid for.
I can see the shots being hit all by myself; If we assume that someone in
the box is going to have to talk, I would like that person to offer some
opinions, some insight, some gossip, some perspective, for me to either
agree with or not agree with. Evert does this fine, IMO. McEnroe, too.
Navratilova is good. Nothing wrong with Luke Jensen except his goofy
vocabulary ... but he knows the players and their games.
The folks I can't stand are the talking heads like Lampley and Enberg (or
Hannah Storm, whatever happened to *her*?) or the players who are so long
out of the game that their knowledge is no longer relevant; Barry McKay,
Dennis Ralston, and Butch Buchholtz, for instance, have long since ceased
to be knowledgeable as players and about other players and are now just
corporate shills for their tournaments.
The same can be said, sadly enough, for Billie Jean King, who is still in
close enough contact with modern players to know them and their games, and
who is certainly intelligent and analytical, but who has allowed herself
to be sucked into her own political agenda in terms of World Team Tennis
and Fed Cup. Still, she has much more value than the
What is bothersome for some, I think, is that Evert is just 10 years off
the tour. She played against (and competed against very well) many women
who are still on the tour. She also seems to think she would have stacked
up very well against some of the new girls, like Hingis and Kournikova. I
happen to think she's right. The Williamses and Davenport, sure, they
would have creamed her with power if they could control their errors, but
a young Evert would stack up very well today. Top 5, I'd bet.
We've talked a lot about arrogance on this newsgroup lately, and I think
people are surprised to see sweet little Chrissie (who always controlled
her public image so carefully) being arrogant and confident and bitchy.
That's why they don't like her ... they're looking for the marketing
product and not the competitive woman.
dar
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: Is it just me, or is Chris Evert the most biased and unappealing commentator in
: the game?
It's not just you.
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>
> Practically everyone on this board hates Chris Evert.
>
> Not me. I think she's fine. Yes, she's biased. So waht? That's what
> commentators are paid for.
I don't hate her because she's biased. I dislike her because her
comments are, more often than not, vacuous and insipid. Apparently,
having a wealth of experience has not given Evert the ability to make
any sort of intelligent, or even interesting observations about the
game.
I like opinionated commentators - McEnroe comes to mind immediately, but
also some less flamboyant, but no less partisan, commentators, such as
David Mercer. Evert is opinionated, but in a very dull and uninteresting
way.
Nemanja
Tom Robertson
>I don't read this board much, so I apologize if this has been discussed
>already.
>
>Is it just me, or is Chris Evert the most biased and unappealing commentator in
>the game?
>
>During the Graf/Dokic match, I found myself yelling at the T.V. for her to just
>shut up. Maybe it's me.
>
>Milesfnw
What I don't like is her inaccurate statements. She overgeneralizes.
She reads too much into the events of the match. If a ball hits so
close to the line that it's a tough call for the linesperson, for
example, she might say that that's what happens when that player aims
for the line, when the truth is that no player can control the ball so
well that she can make a shot be a close line call. I love the way
McEnroe, on the other hand, sees the luck that is involved in "great"
shots.
Steeve
MILESFNW wrote:
>
> I don't read this board much, so I apologize if this has been discussed
> already.
>
> Is it just me, or is Chris Evert the most biased and unappealing commentator in
> the game?
>
> During the Graf/Dokic match, I found myself yelling at the T.V. for her to just
> shut up. Maybe it's me.
Me, I think all of these commentators should
just shut the !#$!# up. I can't stand watching any
American coverage of Tennis, Hockey, Football, the
Olympics, whatever. The worst offender is Brian
Williams for the CBC, his constant stream of inanities
is enough to make one want to poke out ones ear drums.
The French coverage last weekend of Wimbledom on RDS
(the French Canadian Cable Sports Network) was not too
bad, especially since the matches were broadcast LIVE
and not on tape.
When I was younger I used to love watching Soccer
matches on TV just becuase the commentators hardly
said anything, it seems like the European (British)
commentators these days are catching up with their
Yankee and Canuck counterparts. Too bad I says.
Ok, that's my rant for the day. I'll shutup now.
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Robert B. Waltz
> I don't hate her because she's biased. I dislike her because her
> comments are, more often than not, vacuous and insipid. Apparently,
> having a wealth of experience has not given Evert the ability to make
> any sort of intelligent, or even interesting observations about the
> game.
> I like opinionated commentators - McEnroe comes to mind immediately, but
> also some less flamboyant, but no less partisan, commentators, such as
> David Mercer. Evert is opinionated, but in a very dull and uninteresting
> way.
Just to drive Nemanja crazy.... :-)
I agree with every word of this.
Oh, I'm not sure opinionated commentators are my favorites, but
Chris Evert has to be the worst I've ever heard. She has nothing
to say, she says that nothing at great and useless length, and
she sounds terrible doing it.
For the most part, I turn off the sound when watching tennis
on NBC. And she is the number one reason.
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Jeff Sikes
was a word for beyond worst...she'd be that too. She is just flat-out boring
with her little rants and raves, never has an interesting thing to say, seems
overly jealous or critical of some players, and bascially, just sucks. I know
that isn't an analysis...but she just sucks. Some people suck so bad at what
they do or are just plain grating in fingernail on the chalkboard like
proportions (e.g. Dennis Rodman, Rosanne, Rosie O'Donnell, Richard Simmons)
that they just defy description. She is one of those. Still she looks great
for a 40-plus year old.
BUT, by far the most annoying thing about Evert to me is her penchant for
sounding like she's having an orgasm after every winner someone hits in a match
she's commentating on, particularly if it's a great shot. She always goes
UHHHHHHHHH. It makes me laugh because it's so stupid and because it conjures up
horrible horrible sexual images of her and SkiBoy Andy Mill doing moguls on
each other. Add in that "Martina and I" comment she adds for every reference to
tennis of the past or how a young player should go about her improvement for
the future and you get a very annoying mouthpiece. The only solution is to do
as Robert does...turn the volume to mute, or hope for a power outage on her
microphone.
Here are the good broadcasters in my opinion
Fred Stolle
Patrick McEnroe
John McEnroe (the best)
Ted Robinson (USA --the man!!!)
Pam Shriver
David Mercer (too bad in the US we don't hear him much except for the voice of
that ATP tour tv show right???)
Dick Enberg (I like him Dar, sorry)
Jim Nantz (I liked when he did the Open)
Pat O'brien (too bad he's retired)
SO SO
Mary Carillo (that laugh thing bothers me, but her smarts are tip top)
Cliff Drysdale (that accent is cool, just not in the booth, but he's a cool
guy)
Navratilova --she's good at analysis I think
Tim Ryan
Betsy Nagelson
BAD
Tracy Austin (her voice is annoying and so is her usually much offered opinion)
The truly AWFUL
Evert
Virgina Wade (oh man she's next in line)
Barry McKay (the cliche king and the king of the obvious --he's the Evert of
the men's tour)
"I can't be having these feelings for you if I'm trying to take over the
world."
"God put me on this Earth to accomplish a certain number of things. Right now
I'm so far behind
I'll never die."
Husbjoernen
> shut up. Maybe it's me.
When did Graf and Dokic play?
MILESFNW
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>
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Semifinals at Wimbledon, I think.
yolanda
mile...@aol.com (MILESFNW) wrote:
> >When did Graf and Dokic play?
> >
> >
> >
>
> Semifinals at Wimbledon, I think.
>
The match you are referring to is Lucic-Graf
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MILESFNW
>In article <19990708140827...@ng-xa1.aol.com>,
> mile...@aol.com (MILESFNW) wrote:
>> >When did Graf and Dokic play?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Semifinals at Wimbledon, I think.
>>
>
>The match you are referring to is Lucic-Graf
Right. Sorry.
Jack Miller and Darryl Gossett
Jeff Sikes wrote:
> Chris Evert is absolutely the worst tennis commentator in the biz, and if there
> was a word for beyond worst...she'd be that too. She is just flat-out boring
> with her little rants and raves, never has an interesting thing to say, seems
> overly jealous or critical of some players, and bascially, just sucks. I know
> that isn't an analysis...but she just sucks.
Well. If you say so, Jeff! I'll try to get some work done on my suck-sensors, since
I seem to be the only person in the universe who likes Evert. Hey, I don't love her
... her technique as a speaker is not all that great ... but I am generally
interested in what she has to say.
But of course, I also like .... Virginia Wade! God, how freaky must I be?!
I think she's cute! I love it when she says something like, "Oh, dear. What a
dreadful shot. Why ever did she she attempt something so silly?" She sounds so
school-marmish and reacts so viscerally to everything, in that understated British
way, of course.
> Some people suck so bad at what
> they do or are just plain grating in fingernail on the chalkboard like
> proportions (e.g. Dennis Rodman, Rosanne, Rosie O'Donnell, Richard Simmons)
> that they just defy description. She is one of those. Still she looks great
> for a 40-plus year old.
Gad! Have you seen Evert up close lately? Her figure is still pretty trim for
having birthed three little 'uns, but her face? All those Florida titles took its
toll on the old epidermis, I'm afraid. In skin age, she looks 60.
>
> BUT, by far the most annoying thing about Evert to me is her penchant for
> sounding like she's having an orgasm after every winner someone hits in a match
> she's commentating on, particularly if it's a great shot. She always goes
> UHHHHHHHHH. It makes me laugh because it's so stupid and because it conjures up
> horrible horrible sexual images of her and SkiBoy Andy Mill doing moguls on
> each other. Add in that "Martina and I" comment she adds for every reference to
> tennis of the past or how a young player should go about her improvement for
> the future and you get a very annoying mouthpiece. The only solution is to do
> as Robert does...turn the volume to mute, or hope for a power outage on her
> microphone.
>
> Here are the good broadcasters in my opinion
> Fred Stolle
good choice
> Patrick McEnroe
> John McEnroe (the best)
The Brothers Mac are both great.
> Ted Robinson (USA --the man!!!)
> Pam Shriver
Hmmmm ....
> David Mercer (too bad in the US we don't hear him much except for the voice of
> that ATP tour tv show right???)
He's great!
> Dick Enberg (I like him Dar, sorry)
You're a freak and in need of medication.
> Jim Nantz (I liked when he did the Open)
> Pat O'brien (too bad he's retired)
>
> SO SO
> Mary Carillo (that laugh thing bothers me, but her smarts are tip top)
She's losing me. She is becoming a parody of herself. Big babe this and big babe
that. Give it a rest, Mary .. that was cute in 1994. And why is she on this crusade
to dress down every errant tennis parent? I wonder what went on in her household
when she was a teen. If she really wanted to help troubled teens, she wouldn't
drag every embarassing thing their parent ever did out on international
television.
> Cliff Drysdale (that accent is cool, just not in the booth, but he's a cool
> guy)
> Navratilova --she's good at analysis I think
I like her a lot. Her accent is easy to follow, good modulation on her voice,
complete command of analysis and lots of knowledge on the current players. A little
too (like BJK) evangelical about serve-and-volley being the savior of the tennis
universe. Apparently, every winner that makes it past a player is the result of
them not attacking the net in time. This is another reason I like Evert ... as long
as we're going to have style proponents in the booth, I like haveing a baseliner
there, too. I like haivng someone who understands the mentality of the baseliner.
Plus, as much as I like Navratilova and BJK, it is Chris Evert who is the Godmother
of all the current players. It is Evert ... her icy, stoic personality on court and
her baseline style of play, that is the model for modern women's tennis. No one
plays like MN or BJK (unless Stevenson really plays serve and volley ...I haven't
seen enough to know). Evert's influence is reason enough alone for me to be glad to
hear her in the booth.
> Tim Ryan
> Betsy Nagelson
Arghhhh!! Whore for IMG!! Absolutely insipid and monotonous. Every comment has a
business angle. Poor player and piss-poor in the box.
>
> BAD
> Tracy Austin (her voice is annoying and so is her usually much offered opinion)
But what do you think, Barr'? I take back that ill-judged 'freak' comment. You are
a paragon of sound judgement.
>
>
> The truly AWFUL
> Evert
> Virgina Wade (oh man she's next in line)
Someone is going to get his wrist slapped with a ruler.
>
> Barry McKay (the cliche king and the king of the obvious --he's the Evert of
> the men's tour)
Barry McKay **rules** (the steamy hot depths of tennis commentary HELL!)
Oops. I think I need to log off now.
dar
Jeff Sikes
Gad! Have you seen Evert up close lately? Her figure is still pretty trim for
having birthed three little 'uns, but her face? All those Florida titles took
its
toll on the old epidermis, I'm afraid. In skin age, she looks 60.
I agree with you there but I was talking about muscle tone. Man, the woman
looks more fit now than she did when she was on the tour, especially her arms.
Plus. big props for those power suits she wears. She looks awesome.
But, no kidding about the skin thing. Makes you wonder what Kournikova (aka
BANANA BOAT GIRL) is going to look like in ten years.
Jeff
Anthony Daniel
According to them, we should have stopped the tournament after the first
round and given the tittle to Graf. And another thing, if a player is
not ranked #7 or better, Evert and crew talk about them like they are a
disgrace to the game. The most interesting part of Wimbledon for alot of
people was the young underdogs.
Wendy Grossman
and Darryl Gossett) usenetted:
> I think she's cute! I love it when she says something like, "Oh, dear. W
> hat a
> dreadful shot. Why ever did she she attempt something so silly?" She sou
> nds so
> school-marmish and reacts so viscerally to everything, in that understat
> ed British
> way, of course.
JADP: Wade grew up in South Africa.
wg
dar
> JADP: Wade grew up in South Africa.
What a coincidence! I'm from South Alabama!
dar
Geo
<dgo...@emory.edu> wrote:
> Jeff Sikes wrote:
>
> > Chris Evert is absolutely the worst tennis commentator in the biz, and
if there
> > was a word for beyond worst...she'd be that too.
I think she's great. Charming, gracious, witty, funny esp. with McEnroe.
And I appreciate her knowledge & insight based on her years on the tour.
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dar
She is also observant. I like the way she analyzes matches as if she were
playing them. Like in the Kournikova-Williams match ... she picked up very
early that Kournikova was always serving to Venus' forehand but that Venus
was very slow in picking up on it. Her commentary gives me insight into
how Evert hersef played her game ... she was a very analytical player.
dar
ge...@hotmail.com (Geo) wrote:
> In article <3786C04A...@emory.edu>, Jack Miller and Darryl Gossett
> <dgo...@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> > Jeff Sikes wrote:
> >
> > > Chris Evert is absolutely the worst tennis commentator in the biz, and
> if there
> > > was a word for beyond worst...she'd be that too.
>
Shez
>But of course, I also like .... Virginia Wade! God, how freaky must I be?!
>
>I think she's cute! I love it when she says something like, "Oh, dear. What a
>dreadful shot. Why ever did she she attempt something so silly?" She sounds so
>school-marmish and reacts so viscerally to everything, in that understated British
>way, of course.
I think much better is the other English ex-player, Jo Drury. She has a
fabulous voice, and her comments are usually quite perceptive. I think
ex-players make the best commentators as they can add to our
experience of the game by drawing our attention to the specific details
that matter to the players, rather than just babbling Colemanballs type
comments like "oh dear I don't think he wanted to miss that" or "she's
going to have to beat her opponent if she wants to win the match".
-Shez.
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Wendy Grossman
(Shez) usenetted:
> I think much better is the other English ex-player, Jo Drury. She has a
> fabulous voice, and her comments are usually quite perceptive. I think
> ex-players make the best commentators as they can add to our
> experience of the game by drawing our attention to the specific details
> that matter to the players, rather than just babbling Colemanballs type
> comments like "oh dear I don't think he wanted to miss that" or "she's
> going to have to beat her opponent if she wants to win the match".
>
That would be Jo Durie.
My own view is that there needs to be a mix of people who've played the
game and people who haven't necessarily but are good reporters and
interested in all aspects of sports. As things are, I think the range is
too limited.
wg
Truthseeker
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>I don't read this board much, so I apologize if this has been discussed
>already.
>
>Is it just me, or is Chris Evert the most biased and unappealing commentator in
>the game?
>
>shut up. Maybe it's me.
??? When did Graf play Dokic? Are you talking about just practice games?
truthseeker
paul
charles...@gmail.com
> Uhm, players can and DO hit close to the line purposely. They're pros. Sometimes it is luck, but not every time. You're statement is "inaccurate." I'm not defending Chris Evert at all, I'm just saying you're wrong.
Whisper
> Uhm, players can and DO hit close to the line purposely. They're pros. Sometimes it is luck, but not every time. You're statement is "inaccurate."
'You're' is short for 'you are', as in 'you're an illiterate moron'.
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> I don't read this board much, so I apologize if this has been discussed
> already.
>
> Is it just me, or is Chris Evert the most biased and unappealing commentator in
> the game?
>
> During the Graf/Dokic match, I found myself yelling at the T.V. for her to just
> shut up. Maybe it's me.
>
No, its not just you. I have the same problem. When she commentates, I watch the tv on mute!!!
ethann...@gmail.com
> I don't read this board much, so I apologize if this has been discussed
> already.
>
> Is it just me, or is Chris Evert the most biased and unappealing commentator in
> the game?
>
> During the Graf/Dokic match, I found myself yelling at the T.V. for her to just
> shut up. Maybe it's me.
>
> Milesfnw
