The truth is and everyone knows it

[PeteWasLucky]

Russians will be very happy when they become part of Europe.
I laughed on JD's joke but the truth is it's the destination that the train is heading to but with hurdles that are causing some delays.

Now Icey and Skriptis can jump on my case but I tell the truth the way I think it.

Also don't get confused about this post and my opinion about the war and USA interference, these are two different issues and what I said in this post doesn't conflict with what I posted about Ukraine.


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PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> Russians will be very happy when they become part of Europe.I laughed on JD's joke but the truth is it's the destination that the train is heading to but with hurdles that are causing some delays.Now Icey and Skriptis can jump on my case but I tell the truth the way I think it.Also don't get confused about this post and my opinion about the war and USA interference, these are two different issues and what I said in this post doesn't conflict with what I posted about Ukraine.



I will post you two maps to showcase two "perceptions" of Europe.

Map 1, Europe.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Nicholas-Flemming-2/publication/241294772/figure/fig1/AS:669565491113992@1536648261284/Map-of-Europe-showing-names-of-countries-which-have-member-agencies-in-EuroGOOS-and-the.png


Map 2, Europe

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lSKDcZ3d89k/TuAuA3h0mfI/AAAAAAAACrg/SnE0fmpzTqE/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/abbreviated-political-map-of-europe.jpg



This shows you all. Map 1 is chauvinistic, exclusionist, anti-russian Europe. Russia would never want and neither it could become part of such Europe. Other than being subjugated after conquest. This mindset assumes Russia is "corrupt" version of Europe, a successor to Eastern Roman empire (Byzantines) that needs to cleansed and whose natural riches are up for grabs. This is majority view in the west.

Map 2 is the map of Europe and as you see, Russia is Europe. It's as European as France or Germany. Europe is diverse and western Catholicism and northern Protestantism and eastern Orthodoxy are all equally European. This is minority view in the west.

[jdeluise]

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:

> Russians will be very happy when they become part of Europe.
> I laughed on JD's joke but the truth is it's the destination that the
> train is heading to but with hurdles that are causing some delays.
>
> Now Icey and Skriptis can jump on my case but I tell the truth the way
> I think it.
>
> Also don't get confused about this post and my opinion about the war
> and USA interference, these are two different issues and what I said
> in this post doesn't conflict with what I posted about Ukraine.

What do you mean "become part of Europe"? Become part of the EU or
something else? I don't see that happening anytime soon. I think there
are greater cultural, economic, and political differences than you perceive
there to be.

Nice try attributing bmoore's joke to me though.

[PeteWasLucky]

jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:> Russians will be very happy when they become part of Europe.> I laughed on JD's joke but the truth is it's the destination that the> train is heading to but with hurdles that are causing some delays.>> Now Icey and Skriptis can jump on my case but I tell the truth the way> I think it.>> Also don't get confused about this post and my opinion about the war> and USA interference, these are two different issues and what I said> in this post doesn't conflict with what I posted about Ukraine.What do you mean "become part of Europe"? Become part of the EU orsomething else? I don't see that happening anytime soon. I think thereare greater cultural, economic, and political differences than you perceivethere to be.Nice try attributing bmoore's joke to me though.

Merge with Europe culturally and economically.
This isn't going to happen in a day, month or a year. I meant it will be happening over long time and we won't see it in our lifetime, future generations will live it.

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PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

> jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:> Russians will be very happy when they become part of Europe.> I laughed on JD's joke but the truth is it's the destination that the> train is heading to but with hurdles that are causing some delays.>> Now Icey and Skriptis can jump on my case but I tell the truth the way> I think it.>> Also don't get confused about this post and my opinion about the war> and USA interference, these are two different issues and what I said> in this post doesn't conflict with what I posted about Ukraine.What do you mean "become part of Europe"? Become part of the EU orsomething else? I don't see that happening anytime soon. I think thereare greater cultural, economic, and political differences than you perceivethere to be.Nice try attributing bmoore's joke to me though.Merge with Europe culturally and economically.This isn't going to happen in a day, month or a year. I meant it will be happening over long time and we won't see it in our lifetime, future generations will live it.-- ----Android NewsGroup Reader----https://piaohong.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/usenet/index.html



Not possible.


1. EU maniacs are repeating what Napoleon and Hitler tried. Conquer Russia, or at least steal its borderlands (Ukraine) to create a springboard for future invasion. Their evil Fourth Reich. They don't want to trade with Russia, they want to loot it.


2. USA have a legit interest in not allowing peace in Eurasia. If Eurasia was peaceful and everyone was trading, if you had peace from Paris to Shanghai, that continent becomes center of the world, and in its center is - Russia. Russia becomes even more powerful and prosperous. Sea routes would lose much of importance (not all) so USA loss.



So what you have now, is repeat of WW2, but basically it's USA joining Axis.

[TT]

Yes, Russian is not European, but devious Asiatic. He has no regard for
human life and is an all out son of a bitch, barbarian, thief, corrupt
and a chronic drunk.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMYAGZSXIAUCO2f.jpg

[TT]

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 15.5.2022 klo 20:06:
> Also don't get confused about this post and my opinion about the war and USA interference

Entire Western world is interfering, not just USA. And that's how it
should be.

I commend USA for their service as world police, protecting the weak and
fighting against terrorism.

[PeteWasLucky]

TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 15.5.2022 klo 20:06:> Also don't get confused about this post and my opinion about the war and USA interferenceEntire Western world is interfering, not just USA. And that's how it should be.I commend USA for their service as world police, protecting the weak and fighting against terrorism.

lol :)

[TT]

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 0:11:
> TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 15.5.2022 klo 20:06:> Also don't get confused about this post and my opinion about the war and USA interferenceEntire Western world is interfering, not just USA. And that's how it should be.I commend USA for their service as world police, protecting the weak and fighting against terrorism.
>
> lol :)

I'm totally serious.
USA is the beacon of freedom. World leader Boris too.

[PeteWasLucky]

TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

> jdeluise kirjoitti 15.5.2022 klo 22:23:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:> >> Russians will be very happy when they become part of Europe.>> I laughed on JD's joke but the truth is it's the destination that the>> train is heading to but with hurdles that are causing some delays.>>>> Now Icey and Skriptis can jump on my case but I tell the truth the way>> I think it.>>>> Also don't get confused about this post and my opinion about the war>> and USA interference, these are two different issues and what I said>> in this post doesn't conflict with what I posted about Ukraine.> > What do you mean "become part of Europe"? Become part of the EU or> something else? I don't see that happening anytime soon. I think there> are greater cultural, economic, and political differences than you perceive> there to be.> Yes, Russian is not European, but devious Asiatic. He has no regard for human life and is an all out son of a bitch, barbarian, thief, corrupt and a chronic drunk.https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMYAGZSXIAUCO2f.jpg

Humans are humans, they want to live well and flourish, they become who they become based on their economics and the political and cultural freedom they enjoy or lack.

[Whisper]

On 16/05/2022 3:06 am, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> Russians will be very happy when they become part of Europe.
> I laughed on JD's joke but the truth is it's the destination that the train is heading to but with hurdles that are causing some delays.
>

Yes it's inevitable. Russia isn't big or strong enough to survive on
it's own.

[jdeluise]

Maybe it's too big. I think the Russia we see here is a version
completely hollowed out by Putin to retain power. He's eliminated
anyone who appeared to be a threat. So it's like a reverse Darwinism in
the Russian government, and now the only people left in Putin's inner
circle are the weakest, least popular, and most foolish. If the
oligarchs are at the root of power, the trunk is twisted, the branches
brittle, and the leaves are paper-thin, yellow, and wilted.

I think post-Putin Russia could be even more dangerous.

[TT]

jdeluise kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 9:03:
> I think post-Putin Russia could be even more dangerous.

Possible. But also much weakened militarily (and economically).

"Russia has likely lost a third of troops in Ukraine, British
intelligence says" (as in killed & injured, not fit for battle)

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/05/15/likely-lost-third-troops-ukraine-british-intelligence/9631652623871/?u3L=1

... looks to me that Russian losses are untenable at this rate and
Ukraine will gradually start rolling over Russian troops more and more &
gain their territory back.

Yesterday there was already a clip on Ukrainian Territorial Force
soldiers taking pictures at Ukrainian border near Kharkiv. Setting up a
yellow/blue border pole on the border. That's only like 40km from
Kharkiv - but still - seems that Ukraine dominates now on that part of
the Eastern front.

There appeared also to be many videos on Ukrainian artillery
slaughtering Russian equipment, with pinpoint precision. The 155m
howitzers from US, drones & artillery radars for targeting enemy
equipment appear to be making wonders. Meanwhile Russian drones are
dropping by the dozens (due to multitude of manpads Ukraine has
received), which doesn't help their already careless artillery
targeting. I think these howitzers, advanced (guided etc) ammunition &
targeting systems are a game changer - much more so than the much talked
about kamikaze drones. Thank you USA.

-

So I'm going to make a bold prediction...
There are two options for Russia...

1. Take it like a man and withdraw the troops when losses come untenable
(which could be relatively soon, in 2-6 months?). Hard to portray that
as a victory in domestic politics for Putin... and he might accidentally
drop off a window etc.

2. Continue battle and announce war against Ukraine, announce nationwide
mobilization.
...This I think could be even more devastating for Russia. There's no
use sending more cannon fodder to the border especially when you can't
supply them with decent equipment. Modern war is more about technology &
machinery than million men standing with first world war Mosin-Nagants
in their hands & 70s food rations on their back backpack.

So here's my bold prediction: with general mobilization, I see internal
turmoil in Russia... which could actually lead to breakup of Russia,
parts of trying to secede, for example Siberia (with its oil & gas).
Other option is, rather likely, that Putin would again fall from a
window or commit a 'suicide' in other ways, rest of the power structures
rebelling against general mobilization & possible breakup of Russia.

Ok, I think there's one more option...

3. Putin using tactical nuclear weapons, which might have all sorts of
consequences:
-Ukraine surrendering, Putin winning
-Uprising in Russia, Putin hanged.
-Generals refusing the order, Putin arrested/shot/falling from window
-NATO getting fully involved which could lead to all out nuclear war, or...
simply Russia taken apart militarily ending with government changes,
paying reparations etc.

There's also an option of Ukraine army marching to Moscow (very unlikely)

4. Russian victory, taking over all of Ukraine (very unlikely).

5. Peace agreement, frozen conflict etc

[The Iceberg]

disagree, as
a) what has happened to globalism? all we have heard since Feb from the USA and EUSSR is "oh we mustn't be so reliant on China and foeign oil/gas".
b) Russians aren't going to be want to ruled by the EUSSR. As said when all this started, if Putin gets kicked out, the USA(aka NATO) will follow their usual plan what they did in Iraq etc. install a puppet pro-USA/pro-EUSSR leader in Russia, he'll last for 5 years or so while they steal as much Russian oil/gas as possible, then when the Russians get bored with this they'll kick him out and put in a regular Russian leader instead.
c) Will be amazing if EUSSR let Ukraine join, as the cost to Germany will be gigantic.

[The Iceberg]

thing is most of the Eastern world support Russia. Serbia, India, China etc the world's two biggest nations. Finland is still buying stuff from Russia isn't it?

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The Iceberg <iceber...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 22:10:15 UTC+1, TT wrote:> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 15.5.2022 klo 20:06: > > Also don't get confused about this post and my opinion about the war and USA interference> Entire Western world is interfering, not just USA. And that's how it > should be. > > I commend USA for their service as world police, protecting the weak and > fighting against terrorism.thing is most of the Eastern world support Russia. Serbia, India, China etc the world's two biggest nations. Finland is still buying stuff from Russia isn't it?



Everyone in Russia was asking "why can't we be friends".

Biden replied: no, we hate you.

[undecided]

As Maher said, "50% of the world's population has sided with Russia".....

[The Iceberg]

in what respect? more dangerous than China or what the USA has done to South America, Middle East and now Eastern Europe? Zuckerberg has admitted to interfering in foreign elections, can you tell us what you mean by dangerous?

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jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> Maybe it's too big.

That is what Hitler also said, thought the same and acted upon.

Criminals and deviants like yourself who are in charge of the West who even have the nerve to say out loud stuff like "Russia is too big" are militarily encircling Russia.

And you wonder why Russians are "nervous"?







> I think the Russia we see here is a version completely hollowed out by Putin to retain power. He's eliminated anyone who appeared to be a threat. So it's like a reverse Darwinism inthe Russian government, and now the only people left in Putin's innercircle are the weakest, least popular, and most foolish. If the oligarchs are at the root of power, the trunk is twisted, the branches brittle, and the leaves are paper-thin, yellow, and wilted.I think post-Putin Russia could be even more dangerous.


Russians don't respect oligarchs. Oligarchs are elites, or swamp, nowadays mostly Jews so twice as bad. But even when Russian elites are ethnic Russians, they are not liked much better. Elites, if unrestrained, turn into swamp. And only powerful autocrat can restrain them, people can't do it.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarchs

"Historian Edward L. Keenan has compared these oligarchs to the system of powerful boyars that emerged in late-Medieval Muscovy."



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyar

"During the 14th and 15th centuries, the boyars of Moscow had considerable influence that continued from the Muscovy period. However, starting with the reign of Ivan III, the boyars were starting to lose that influence to the authoritative tsars in Muscovy.
...
With Peter the Great, the final nail in the coffin happened for the boyar's power, and they would never recover from his administrative reforms."



Russians want a powerful Czar who is able to reign in the elites. Historically that brings happines and prosperity.

Many see Putin as godsent for what he has done and was able to achieve.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/03/29/1088886554/how-putin-conquered-russias-oligarchy


Drain the swamp!

[TT]

*skriptis kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 16:52:
> And you wonder why Russians are "nervous"?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSjtX-eVkAAF1zE?format=jpg&name=small

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TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:

> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSjtX-eVkAAF1zE?format=jpg&name=small



What a stupid post. As if Finland on its own matters. Lol

Finland is irrelevant you. It's not an independant actor. It's just a place on a chessboard. Only territory matters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2015/08/Comboexer2300-v4.jpg

[Whisper]

In the short term maybe.

[PeteWasLucky]

> Yesterday there was already a clip on Ukrainian Territorial Force
soldiers taking pictures at Ukrainian border near Kharkiv. Setting up a
yellow/blue border pole on the border. That's only like 40km from
Kharkiv - but still - seems that Ukraine dominates now on that part of
the Eastern front.

When will you recognize that the Ukrainian propaganda is few levels higher than the Russian's one?
Clearly Ukraine and Russia share lots of things, and one of them is the propaganda business.

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PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> When will you recognize that the Ukrainian propaganda is few levels higher than the Russian's one? Clearly Ukraine and Russia share lots of things, and one of them is the propaganda business.

https://t.me/TheEternalUkrainian2/6565

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[TT]

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:01:
>> Yesterday there was already a clip on Ukrainian Territorial Force
> soldiers taking pictures at Ukrainian border near Kharkiv. Setting up a
> yellow/blue border pole on the border. That's only like 40km from
> Kharkiv - but still - seems that Ukraine dominates now on that part of
> the Eastern front.
>
>
> When will you recognize that the Ukrainian propaganda is few levels higher than the Russian's one?
> Clearly Ukraine and Russia share lots of things, and one of them is the propaganda business.
>
>

Ukraine has been pushing back Russia near Kharkiv for a while. There's
no reason to suspect the report.

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TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:01:>> Yesterday there was already a clip on Ukrainian Territorial Force> soldiers taking pictures at Ukrainian border near Kharkiv. Setting up a> yellow/blue border pole on the border. That's only like 40km from> Kharkiv - but still - seems that Ukraine dominates now on that part of> the Eastern front.> > > When will you recognize that the Ukrainian propaganda is few levels higher than the Russian's one?> Clearly Ukraine and Russia share lots of things, and one of them is the propaganda business.> > Ukraine has been pushing back Russia near Kharkiv for a while. There's no reason to suspect the report.

It's utter fake news, Russians are not even trying to capture cities at this moment, they're busy decimating NATO-UKR digged in positions accros Tue Donbas front.

The fact "the Ukraine" doesn't report about the front, but Harkiv/Harkov outskirts, well you can guess what that means.


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[TT]

*skriptis kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:33:
> TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:01:>> Yesterday there was already a clip on Ukrainian Territorial Force> soldiers taking pictures at Ukrainian border near Kharkiv. Setting up a> yellow/blue border pole on the border. That's only like 40km from> Kharkiv - but still - seems that Ukraine dominates now on that part of> the Eastern front.> > > When will you recognize that the Ukrainian propaganda is few levels higher than the Russian's one?> Clearly Ukraine and Russia share lots of things, and one of them is the propaganda business.> > Ukraine has been pushing back Russia near Kharkiv for a while. There's no reason to suspect the report.
>
>
> It's utter fake news, Russians are not even trying to capture cities at this moment, they're busy decimating NATO-UKR digged in positions accros Tue Donbas front.
>
> The fact "the Ukraine" doesn't report about the front,

Yes the do.

> but Harkiv/Harkov outskirts, well you can guess what that means.
>
>

It means that Russia has been forced to withdraw from Kharkiv which it
has been trying to capture past three months.

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TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
> *skriptis kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:33:> TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:01:>> Yesterday there was already a clip on Ukrainian Territorial Force> soldiers taking pictures at Ukrainian border near Kharkiv. Setting up a> yellow/blue border pole on the border. That's only like 40km from> Kharkiv - but still - seems that Ukraine dominates now on that part of> the Eastern front.> > > When will you recognize that the Ukrainian propaganda is few levels higher than the Russian's one?> Clearly Ukraine and Russia share lots of things, and one of them is the propaganda business.> > Ukraine has been pushing back Russia near Kharkiv for a while. There's no reason to suspect the report.> > > It's utter fake news, Russians are not even trying to capture cities at this moment, they're busy decimating NATO-UKR digged in positions accros Tue Donbas front.> > The fact "the Ukraine" doesn't report about the front, Yes the do.> but Harkiv/Harkov outskirts, well you can guess what that means.> > It means that Russia has been forced to withdraw from Kharkiv which it has been trying to capture past three months.

They're concentrated on destroying the front.

[TT]

Yes. One brilliant strategic manoeuvre after another.

[PeteWasLucky]

TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:01:>> Yesterday there was already a clip on Ukrainian Territorial Force> soldiers taking pictures at Ukrainian border near Kharkiv. Setting up a> yellow/blue border pole on the border. That's only like 40km from> Kharkiv - but still - seems that Ukraine dominates now on that part of> the Eastern front.> > > When will you recognize that the Ukrainian propaganda is few levels higher than the Russian's one?> Clearly Ukraine and Russia share lots of things, and one of them is the propaganda business.> > Ukraine has been pushing back Russia near Kharkiv for a while. There's no reason to suspect the report.

Russia mission in Kharkiv is accomplished already, no need to stay there.
The same is for all other cities that you get excited about in these propaganda videos and news.
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[joh]

On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 3:52:35 PM UTC+2, *skriptis wrote:
> jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> > Maybe it's too big.
> That is what Hitler also said, thought the same and acted upon.
>
> Criminals and deviants like yourself who are in charge of the West who even have the nerve to say out loud stuff like "Russia is too big" are militarily encircling Russia.
>
> And you wonder why Russians are "nervous"?

Because their military sucks?

[TT]

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 21:43:
> TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r
>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:01:>> Yesterday there was already a clip on Ukrainian Territorial Force> soldiers taking pictures at Ukrainian border near Kharkiv. Setting up a> yellow/blue border pole on the border. That's only like 40km from> Kharkiv - but still - seems that Ukraine dominates now on that part of> the Eastern front.> > > When will you recognize that the Ukrainian propaganda is few levels higher than the Russian's one?> Clearly Ukraine and Russia share lots of things, and one of them is the propaganda business.> > Ukraine has been pushing back Russia near Kharkiv for a while. There's no reason to suspect the report.
>
> Russia mission in Kharkiv is accomplished already, no need to stay there.
> The same is for all other cities that you get excited about in these propaganda videos and news.

So what was the mission?

You sound kinda bitter that Russia had to withdraw once again...

[PeteWasLucky]

> You sound kinda bitter that Russia had to withdraw once again..

Is this how you see things these days? You make it about me?

Tell me, Do you believe that the Ukraine military kicked out the Russians? Is this what you think happened there?

Whatever destruction and weakening of infrastructure the Russians wanted to do, they did it already.
They are executing certain strategic goals there and one major goal is to send Ukraine fifty years back into the darkness.

This war is happening on Ukraine land not on Russian land, and everyday that adds up to this war needs 100 days to recover from.

[TT]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1526231508914442241

[TT]

PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 22:42:

> This war is happening on Ukraine land not on Russian land, and everyday that adds up to this war needs 100 days to recover from.

How long do you think it will take Russian economy to recover?

How about military? 3 more months in Ukraine and their army is 30% of
the crap it was.

[bmoore]

Russia wants to capture land. To say that they just want to weaken infrastructure is complete sour grapes bullshit without a shred of evidence.

Professor Frankfurt nailed it.

[Custos Custodum]

Especially now that Vladi is following Adi's example and directing the
tactics himself. The parallels are uncanny. Dare we hope for a similar
conclusion?

[TT]

He dared 25th February!

https://twitter.com/alexyendell/status/1497273177168355339?lang=en

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Custos Custodum <m...@privacy.net> Wrote in message:r
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 21:06:11 +0300, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:>*skriptis kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:46:>> TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>>> *skriptis kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:33:> TT <as...@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r>> PeteWasLucky kirjoitti 16.5.2022 klo 20:01:>> Yesterday there was already a clip on Ukrainian Territorial Force> soldiers taking pictures at Ukrainian border near Kharkiv. Setting up a> yellow/blue border pole on the border. That's only like 40km from> Kharkiv - but still - seems that Ukraine dominates now on that part of> the Eastern front.> > > When will you recognize that the Ukrainian propaganda is few levels higher than the Russian's one?> Clearly Ukraine and Russia share lots of things, and one of them is the propaganda business.> > Ukraine has been pushing back Russia near Kharkiv for a while. There's no reason to suspect the report.> > > It's utter fake news, Russians are not even trying to capture cities at this moment, they're busy decimating NATO-UKR digged in positions accros Tue Donbas front.> > The fact "the Ukraine" doesn't report about the front, Yes the do.> but Harkiv/Harkov>outskirts, well you can guess what that means.> > It means that Russia has been forced to withdraw from Kharkiv which it has been trying to capture past three months.>> >> >> They're concentrated on destroying the front.>> >> >>Yes. One brilliant strategic manoeuvre after another.Especially now that Vladi is following Adi's example and directing thetactics himself. The parallels are uncanny. Dare we hope for a similarconclusion?



You think Putin will break his non-agression pact with Xi and cause doom for himself?

[TT]

Siberia is there for the taking soon. Just walk in.

[jdeluise]

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:

>> You sound kinda bitter that Russia had to withdraw once again..
>
> Is this how you see things these days? You make it about me?
>
> Tell me, Do you believe that the Ukraine military kicked out the
> Russians? Is this what you think happened there?
>
> Whatever destruction and weakening of infrastructure the Russians
> wanted to do, they did it already. They are executing certain
> strategic goals there and one major goal is to send Ukraine fifty
> years back into the darkness.
>
> This war is happening on Ukraine land not on Russian land, and
> everyday that adds up to this war needs 100 days to recover from.
>

Once it's over the Ukrainians will look like heroes. The world will be
falling all over itself to help with the reparations. Meanwhile Russia
will remain untrusted and cut off from critical resources to rebuild and
stay relevant.

He's right though, your irritation with Putin's failings is palpable.

[PeteWasLucky]

Wow, sounds like an exciting movie :)
Also when the war is over, the day Russia needs any help in anything, the American companies will be there on the spot to help and sell, it's all about money, has always been :)

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jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> Once it's over the Ukrainians will look like heroes.

General Lee and the southern cause is also seen as heroic by some. Folklore could stay I agree.

> The world will be falling all over itself to help with the reparations.

Yeah, just as world flocked to give money to repair Iraq, Afganistan, Syria, Libya etc after US had destroyed those countries in the name of globalism and Israel. lol

> Meanwhile Russia will remain untrusted and cut off from critical resources to rebuild and stay relevant.

15% of the world can't "exclude" anyone but themselves.

http://country.eiu.com/asset_images/1632029946.gif

> He's right though, your irritation with Putin's failings is palpable.

Wars last many years jdeluise.

American Revolutionary War
• April 19, 1775 – September 3, 1783
(8 years, 4 months, 2 weeks and 1 day)

American Civil War
• April 12, 1861 – May 9, 1865
(4 years and 27 days)


But this thing is more similar to this

American Indian Wars
• 1609–1924 (intermittent)
(315 years)





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[jdeluise]

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:

>
> Wow, sounds like an exciting movie :) Also when the war is over, the
> day Russia needs any help in anything, the American companies will be
> there on the spot to help and sell, it's all about money, has always
> been :)
>
>

Quit changing the subject. You said Russia's goal is to set Ukraine
back 50 years. I am saying that Ukraine will rebuild quickly if Russia
loses and could even become more prosperous than Russia. Russia's
economy and credit are ruined and will be for a long time.
Additionally, it's unclear what conditions Russia needs to meet for the
sanction to be lifted! Do you disagree?

[jdeluise]

*skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> writes:

> jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>> Once it's over the Ukrainians will look like heroes.
>
> General Lee and the southern cause is also seen as heroic by
> some. Folklore could stay I agree.
>

How long did it take the south to rebuild? And that was in the 19th
century.

PWL says it will take Ukraine 50 years.

>
>
>> The world will be falling all over itself to help with the
>> reparations.
>
> Yeah, just as world flocked to give money to repair Iraq, Afganistan,
> Syria, Libya etc after US had destroyed those countries in the name of
> globalism and Israel. lol

This is a totally different situation, for one thing there is a
functioning government in Ukraine and if Russia leaves with it intact, it
will have a lot of legitimacy.

>
>
>
>> Meanwhile Russia will remain untrusted and cut off from critical
>> resources to rebuild and stay relevant.
>
> 15% of the world can't "exclude" anyone but themselves.
>
> http://country.eiu.com/asset_images/1632029946.gif
>
>
>
>> He's right though, your irritation with Putin's failings is palpable.
>
> Wars last many years jdeluise.
>

Well, remember in the early days you were bragging about how this would
be the shortest conflict in history? :)

[TT]

Well there was lot of talk about 'denazification'... Maybe he thought
Ukraine was against the most effective army in the world, Israel defence
forces?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War

[*skriptis]

jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:

> How long did it take the south to rebuild? And that was in the 19th century. PWL says it will take Ukraine 50 years.

Well, from what I know, South was largely destroyed as a punishment and to make subjugation easier. Yankees were extremely cruel in that regard. Reconstruction lasted for many years, no?

Russians are doing none of it.

First of all, major operations are being conducted in *pro-Russian* parts of Ukraine right now, so Russia has no reason to "punish" those people in the first place.

Russia loves those people and those people love Russia. If Zelensky military and neonazis (real neonazis jdeluise, those with guns and swastikas) were not fortifying in the cities, no apartment of civil infrastructure would be destroyed as Russia has no such plans, especially in this part of Ukraine.

And secondly if something is destroyed, it's not Russia's fault. It's a flatland and steppe teritory, we all know it makes sense for Zelensky and his military, to use cities as medivieal fortresses. It's easier to defend cities like that, and they get better CNN coverage (Russians bombing cities).

But then you should be more honest about crimes. Using civilians as shields is a war crime. Using civilian structures turns it into military structure. Almost everything which Kiev regime has done so far was a war crime in this conflict. Russia besieges and takes cities only which they absolutely needed, such as Mariupol. And they will continue to focus on destroying the only frontline there is, Donbas fortifications, destroying military and logistics and manpower accross all Ukraine until Kiev regime's reserves and will to resist are depleted.


But will Russia maybe want to punish pro-NATO Ukranians? Not really.

Russia has not targeted civilian or economic infrastructure in the western Ukraine either. For example powerplants weren't hit and so on. Only military targets.

Compare that to kiev regime who cut off water supply to Crimea in 2014 after Russia annexed it. "The Ukraine" claimed it's their people there and and they cut off water to them. Cutting off someone's water supply is a legit casus belli.


In our comparison, the Confederates, from Russia's point of view, are western Ukranians. Huge cultural and political difference. Russian occupation of all Ukraine including western Ukraine would be similar to Union totally crushing Confederacy. Only brute force would crush and subjugate those. Soviet Union did it, but it's not something which is on agenda today. Western Ukraine, even though it was part of early Rus state, is geographically and culturally central Europe. It was ruled by Poland and Austrians(Germans) for couple of centuries. It's nowadays genuinely non-Rus in character, there's a hatred for Eastern Orthodoxy there and it's incompatible with Mother Russia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Grossgliederung_Europas-en.svg/1973px-Grossgliederung_Europas-en.svg.png


But OTOH everything which is eastern Europe on this map is Mother Russia. And Russia would agree and let EU/NATO take the western part of Ukraine for a peace deal. The problem is, Europe is greedy, they want all of the borderlands and that is unacceptable for Russia.






> This is a totally different situation, for one thing there is afunctioning government in Ukraine and if Russia leaves with it intact, it will have a lot of legitimacy.

Agreed. It's why I think they did triy to take it down early on. Their initial attempt on February 24 seems not to have been a "blitzkrieg" attempt, rather a "bluff" attempt. They gave it a go, advancing from all sides to shock Ukraine, maybe cause government to collapse or flee.

Without NATO backing and warmongering it could have happened, Ukraine would have immediately asked for negotiations and you'd have almost no casualties. Of course NATO wants this war and is hyping up poor Ukranians.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-war-russia-nato-says-ukraine-can-win-this-war/



> Well, remember in the early days you were bragging about how this wouldbe the shortest conflict in history? :)

I wasn't, CIA was doing it. They said "Kiev would fall in the next 2 days". It was good for their narrative. Set extremely high expectations and then declare failure when it doesn't happen.

Russia never invaded with enough soldiers. Ukraine still has more soldiers on the ground and they got military aid exceeding Russian annual defense budget.

Money and weapons are not problems, but eventually, manpower will be a problem for Ukraine.

NATO will fight this until the last stupid Ukranian. Russia will then draw new borders, but there will not be peace. The western backed, western Ukraine will not sign anything and concede defeat to Russia formally, and you will have new north Korea vs South Korea situation. My prediction.

[Custos Custodum]

Do they actually have one, or was it just a handshake and "honour
among thieves"? I think Putin is duplicitous enough to try anything
that he thinks would advance his agenda.

[*skriptis]

Custos Custodum <m...@privacy.net> Wrote in message:

> Do they actually have one, or was it just a handshake and "honour among thieves"? I think Putin is duplicitous enough to try anything that he thinks would advance his agenda.

Yeah and Mother Teresa was a slut who did porn, whereas Meghan Markle is chaste.

[The Iceberg]

you seem to be talking about only the West, do you ignore that China, India, Arabs etc are not doing any sanctions at all?

[The Iceberg]

you say this yet from the impression I got in February on the first day from BBC/CNN/Guardian etc said that Russia would take Kiev within a week, then during that same week they said that Putin would be deposed within a few days. Then there was lots of moaning about "war crimes" last week, despite them still trying to say Russia was being beaten all the time and threatening anyone who disagreed with being banned on Titter or Facebook.

[The Iceberg]

China have officially said they are going to take over being the world's #1 superpower from the USA, what do you think that involves?

[Custos Custodum]

On Tue, 17 May 2022 12:12:20 +0200 (GMT+02:00), *skriptis
<skri...@post.t-com.hr> wrote:

>Custos Custodum <m...@privacy.net> Wrote in message:
>> Do they actually have one, or was it just a handshake and "honour among thieves"? I think Putin is duplicitous enough to try anything that he thinks would advance his agenda.
>
>Yeah and Mother Teresa was a slut who did porn, whereas Meghan Markle is chaste.

I defer to your superior knowledge of such matters.

[Custos Custodum]

And your point is, caller?

[PeteWasLucky]

jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:>> Wow, sounds like an exciting movie :) Also when the war is over, the> day Russia needs any help in anything, the American companies will be> there on the spot to help and sell, it's all about money, has always> been :)>> Quit changing the subject. You said Russia's goal is to set Ukraineback 50 years. I am saying that Ukraine will rebuild quickly if Russialoses and could even become more prosperous than Russia. Russia'seconomy and credit are ruined and will be for a long time.Additionally, it's unclear what conditions Russia needs to meet for thesanction to be lifted! Do you disagree?

I didn't change topic.
Btw, how is the Russian Ruble doing?
How is Russian oil export going?
Are you sure we aren't buying Russian oil here in the USA camouflaged one way or another?
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[The Iceberg]

well it seems rather than Putin it's your BBC/CNN/Guardian that are doing anything they can to advance their agenda.

[jdeluise]

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:

>
> I didn't change topic.

Yes you did.

> Btw, how is the Russian Ruble doing?

It's being propped up using various tricks. Its real value is much
lower.

> How is Russian oil export going? Are you sure we aren't buying
> Russian oil here in the USA camouflaged one way or another?

Do you have any evidence of this?

Another example of you being biased in favor of the Russian viewpoint.

[*skriptis]

jdeluise <jdel...@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:>> I didn't change topic.Yes you did.> Btw, how is the Russian Ruble doing?It's being propped up using various tricks. Its real value is muchlower. > How is Russian oil export going? Are you sure we aren't buying> Russian oil here in the USA camouflaged one way or another?Do you have any evidence of this?Another example of you being biased in favor of the Russian viewpoint.


So you disagree that NATO spent $50 billions and Russia $4 billions?

[jdeluise]

*skriptis <skri...@post.t-com.hr> writes:

>
> So you disagree that NATO spent $50 billions and Russia $4 billions?

I don't think I've agreed or disagreed with that. It's clear that
whatever money Russia did spend, it didn't spend enough.

[PeteWasLucky]

On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:03:54 PM UTC-4, jdeluise wrote:
> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >
> > I didn't change topic.
> Yes you did.

Where?

> > Btw, how is the Russian Ruble doing?
> It's being propped up using various tricks. Its real value is much
> lower.

All countries have tricks and USA isn't doing better.
Isn't the USA dollar the only currency that isn't backed by gold while Russia has 120 billion worth of gold?

> > How is Russian oil export going? Are you sure we aren't buying
> > Russian oil here in the USA camouflaged one way or another?
> Do you have any evidence of this?

Do you know where USA gets its oil from and how the OPEC works?

[jdeluise]

PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:03:54 PM UTC-4, jdeluise wrote:
>> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> >
>> > I didn't change topic.
>> Yes you did.
>
> Where?

The topic was Russia's goals for Ukraine.

>
>> > Btw, how is the Russian Ruble doing?
>> It's being propped up using various tricks. Its real value is much
>> lower.
>
> All countries have tricks and USA isn't doing better. Isn't the USA
> dollar the only currency that isn't backed by gold

No! Fiat currencies are not backed by gold. There are something like
200 fiat currencies out there today and it's the modern standard.

> while Russia has
> 120 billion worth of gold?

Actually Russia doesn't follow the "gold standard". They buy gold from
banks at a "loss", but will not sell it back. Thus the ruble is
only indirectly linked to gold.

>
>> > How is Russian oil export going? Are you sure we aren't buying
>> > Russian oil here in the USA camouflaged one way or another?
>> Do you have any evidence of this?
>
> Do you know where USA gets its oil from and how the OPEC works?

You didn't answer the question.

[bmoore]

Oh, it's probably true. It's like buying insurance from a broker. Dig deep enough and you'll find out who you're really buying it from.

But we still should still try to freeze out Putin as much as possible.

[*skriptis]

bmoore <bmo...@nyx.net> Wrote in message:r
> On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 1:31:03 PM UTC-7, jdeluise wrote:> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes: > > > On Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 3:03:54 PM UTC-4, jdeluise wrote: > >> PeteWasLucky <waleed...@gmail.com> writes: > >> > >> > > >> > I didn't change topic. > >> Yes you did. > > > > Where?> The topic was Russia's goals for Ukraine.> > > >> > Btw, how is the Russian Ruble doing? > >> It's being propped up using various tricks. Its real value is much > >> lower. > > > > All countries have tricks and USA isn't doing better. Isn't the USA > > dollar the only currency that isn't backed by gold> No! Fiat currencies are not backed by gold. There are something like > 200 fiat currencies out there today and it's the modern standard.> > while Russia has > > 120 billion worth of gold?> Actually Russia doesn't follow the "gold standard". They buy gold from > banks at a "loss", but will not sell it back. Thus the ruble is > only indirectly linked to gold.> > > >> > How is Russian oil export going? Are you sure we aren't buying > >> > Russian oil here in the USA camouflaged one way or another? > >> Do you have any evidence of this? > > > > Do you know where USA gets its oil from and how the OPEC works?> You didn't answer the question.Oh, it's probably true. It's like buying insurance from a broker. Dig deep enough and you'll find out who you're really buying it from.But we still should still try to freeze out Putin as much as possible.


Idiot.

[The Iceberg]

do you think that will help with Bidenflation being at record levels and gas prices at record levels?

[The Iceberg]

yes, bmoore/jdeluise seem more than happy if Bidenflation hits 20% and hardly anyone can afford bread or milk and gas prices are $100 a gallon! they still love sending endless tax $BILLIONS to prolong the Ukraine war, they are like Mao loyalists to the demmie party, no matter what wreckage is caused, cos it a way of getting back at what they reckon was "Russian collusion" when Trump WON 2016 and Putin PWNed Obama against ISIS, amazing madness!

[bmoore]

Wow, how much bullshit can be crammed into a single sentence?

Don't quit your day job. Oh, right.

[The Iceberg]

twisting again to avoid giving an answer as usual.
Our fact checks say: Yes, bmoore would still vote for Biden even if inflation hits 20%.
Verdict: he's a good comrade.

[bmoore]

It's tough to respond to you given that you have nothing to say. Bullshit doesn't count.

[The Iceberg]

how is it BS to say you will always vote for Biden??? that's sure as eggs are eggs and Marxist comrades like you are Marxist comrades!! LOL

[Ima Raducansocanu]

I hope Trump runs again... it will be hilarious.

[bmoore]

Hope you're right. But numerous Americans are D.U.M.B.