COME ON CONCHITA!!!
Pablo
You're so wonderful, I hope you to win all you want, you're so big!!
Pablo
RLJones3
Pablo likes big gals:
>>You're so wonderful, I hope you to win all you want, you're so big!!<<
I think she is taken Pablo. That handsome gentleman named Gigi Fernandez seems
to be a constant presence at Conchita's matches. Sorry (I think).
R. Roemer
Pablo schrieb in Nachricht <01bd2cea$2bcf0980$d96235c3@pablo>...
>You're so wonderful, I hope you to win all you want, you're so big!!
>
>Pablo
You're so right, she's really *big*?!
Joseph Gownder
In article <19980129202...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
RLJones3 <rljo...@aol.com> wrote:
>Pablo likes big gals:
>>>You're so wonderful, I hope you to win all you want, you're so big!!
>
>to be a constant presence at Conchita's matches. Sorry (I think).
>
she's very 'out and proud' about it. It sounds like Jana Novotna and Hana
Mandlikova (her coach) are partners, but I understand Martinez and
Fernandez have broken up. Clearly, Martina Navratilova and BJ King's
openness about lesbian/bisexual sexual orientations didn't open the
flood-gates of open admission.
Anyone know of any gay male professional tennis players?
- j. p.
RLJones3
j.p. informs:
>>It sounds like Jana Novotna and Hana
Mandlikova (her coach) are partners...<<
You don't say. I think I recall Hana as being married. She was a great player
to watch.
Marsha Strong
Hana was "married" briefly to a man from Australia so she could get
out of Czechoslvzkia. She sis and the "marriage" was history.
marsha
RLJones3
marsha informs
>>Hana was "married" briefly to a man from Australia so she could get
out of Czechoslvzkia. She sis and the "marriage" was history.<<
So does this confirm this rumor regarding Novotna?
Mike Ma
In article <19980130133...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
rljo...@aol.com (RLJones3) wrote:
It is not a rumor.
--
Mike Ma University of Cincinnati
m...@physics.uc.edu
Marsha Strong
On 30 Jan 1998 13:38:47 GMT, rljo...@aol.com (RLJones3) wrote:
>marsha informs
>
>>Hana was "married" briefly to a man from Australia so she could get
>>out of Czechoslvzkia. She sis and the "marriage" was history.
>
>So does this confirm this rumor regarding Novotna?
It neither confirms it nor denies it; it's just what happened.
However I can add this, if we must persue the off-court lives
of the tennis elite -- when Hana and Jana were at Saddlebrook
for the L&L tournament in 1994, they wee quite openly affectionate
in what was a very low-key atmosphere.
I have also heard Lisa Raymond and Rennae Stubbs have been
quite openly affectionate at recent tournies.
Geez, I *hate* that I love this gossip so much, but I can't deny
that I do! Especially when it involves my "sisters"
marsha
RLJones3
Marsha
>>Geez, I *hate* that I love this gossip so much, but I can't deny
that I do! Especially when it involves my "sisters"<<
If I'm reading this the right way, then why ASV? Perhaps I could make some
suggestions.
Marsha Strong
If you are reading what right? Why ASV what? And what suggestions??
Other than that, I understood your post perfecty!! :)
marsha
RLJones3
Marsha:
>>If you are reading what right? Why ASV what? And what suggestions?
Other than that, I understood your post perfecty!! :)
<<
Oh, never mind.
Melissa
RLJones3:
>>So does this confirm this rumor regarding Novotna?
Marsha:
>It neither confirms it nor denies it; it's just what happened.
>
>However I can add this, if we must persue the off-court lives
>of the tennis elite -- when Hana and Jana were at Saddlebrook
>for the L&L tournament in 1994, they wee quite openly affectionate
>in what was a very low-key atmosphere.
>
>I have also heard Lisa Raymond and Rennae Stubbs have been
>quite openly affectionate at recent tournies.
>
>Geez, I *hate* that I love this gossip so much, but I can't deny
>that I do! Especially when it involves my "sisters"
Uh, I understood that Novotna was out -- not so?
Melissa
Sarah Halsted
"Ace" a couple of months ago. Although she didn't spell it out
precisely she didn't refute any of the statements about her sexuality.
Sarah
--
From sarah....@virgin.net (watch the spelling!!)
Marsha Strong
On 2 Feb 1998 14:12:35 GMT, melissa...@english.usyd.edu.au
(Melissa ) wrote:
>RLJones3:
>>>So does this confirm this rumor regarding Novotna?
>
>Marsha:
>>It neither confirms it nor denies it; it's just what happened.
>>
>>However I can add this, if we must persue the off-court lives
>>of the tennis elite -- when Hana and Jana were at Saddlebrook
>>for the L&L tournament in 1994, they wee quite openly affectionate
>>in what was a very low-key atmosphere.
>>
>>I have also heard Lisa Raymond and Rennae Stubbs have been
>>quite openly affectionate at recent tournies.
>>
>>Geez, I *hate* that I love this gossip so much, but I can't deny
>>that I do! Especially when it involves my "sisters"
>
>Uh, I understood that Novotna was out -- not so?
>
>Melissa
I have never read or seen any "offcial" statement from
*anyone* in tennis except Martina Navratilova -- have you??
Martina appears to have been one of a (brave) kind.
marsha
Melissa
Me:
>>Uh, I understood that Novotna was out -- not so?
marsha:
>I have never read or seen any "offcial" statement from
>*anyone* in tennis except Martina Navratilova -- have you??
>
>Martina appears to have been one of a (brave) kind.
I am now searching my brain to remember where I read this -- I know that
sounds rather flimsy -- but I definitely thought that she was out, and I
think I read it in _Out_ magazine; one of their lists of 100 most notables
... I will track this down! I don't think it was a statement from JN,
however.
Melissa
Sanj
Hi,
Should the Subject have read, "Come on OUT Conchita?"
:)
Seriously, why does their sexual preference matter, anyway?
Sanj
--
sanj
@ The opinions expressed herein are mine alone.
orbital.com
Melissa
>Melissa wrote:
>>
>> RLJones3:
>> >>So does this confirm this rumor regarding Novotna?
>>
>> Marsha:
>> >It neither confirms it nor denies it; it's just what happened.
>> >
>> >However I can add this, if we must persue the off-court lives
>> >of the tennis elite -- when Hana and Jana were at Saddlebrook
>> >for the L&L tournament in 1994, they wee quite openly affectionate
>> >in what was a very low-key atmosphere.
>> >
>> >I have also heard Lisa Raymond and Rennae Stubbs have been
>> >quite openly affectionate at recent tournies.
>> >
>> >Geez, I *hate* that I love this gossip so much, but I can't deny
>> >that I do! Especially when it involves my "sisters"
>>
>> Uh, I understood that Novotna was out -- not so?
>>
>> Melissa
>>
>She was surprisingly open in an interview with the British magazine
>"Ace" a couple of months ago. Although she didn't spell it out
>precisely she didn't refute any of the statements about her sexuality.
>
>Sarah
Thanks, Sarah. I still cannot locate this reference, but I know I read
it, and it was not a statement by Novotna, but about her, describing her
as, uh, "open about her sexuality;" and as the *only* out player on the
tour now Martina is not playing any more. It was either in _Out_
magazine, or perhaps ... _Diva_? Which makes more sense, as I would hve
read it in the store, rather than have bought it. I would say, two years
ago.
Does it matter, Sanj asks? Well, it matters to me. I am a fan. Everything
matters. It doesn't need to matter to anyone else, of course. : )
Melissa
RLJones3
Sanj asks:
>>Hi,
Should the Subject have read, "Come on OUT Conchita?"
:)
Seriously, why does their sexual preference matter, anyway?
Sanj<<
Oh yeah, we love this shit. Now, what was that about Sabatini? I was always a
bit suspicious of her leanings....
Sanj
RLJones3 wrote:
> Now, what was that about Sabatini? I was always a
> bit suspicious of her leanings....
Hi,
*No*! Not Sabatini!?? ;)
I thought she had a boyfriend. Hmm... so, when Bud Collins called
her "Sabatweenie," it was a fence reference. I get it! ;)
RLJones3
Sanj is bummed:
>>Hi,
*No*! Not Sabatini!?? ;)
I thought she had a boyfriend. Hmm... so, when Bud Collins called
her "Sabatweenie," it was a fence reference. I get it! ;)
Sanj<<
I really think so. Her mannerisms, particularly the way she always shook hands
with opponents, just look "dikey" to me. Her looks are stunning, but I have
never found her to be the least bit feminine. Don't gt me wrong, I don't mind
or anything. I understand completely. We men are real pricks you know.
Marsha Strong
On 3 Feb 1998 17:13:47 GMT, rljo...@aol.com (RLJones3) wrote:
>Sanj is bummed:
>
>>>Hi,
>*No*! Not Sabatini!?? ;)
>I thought she had a boyfriend. Hmm... so, when Bud Collins called
>her "Sabatweenie," it was a fence reference. I get it! ;)
>Sanj<<
>
>I really think so. Her mannerisms, particularly the way she always shook hands
>with opponents, just look "dikey" to me.
Please believe me, you cannot tell a "dyke" by the way she shakes
hands!
Really, I promise you! :)
marsha
RLJones3
Marsha objects to my observation:
>>Please believe me, you cannot tell a "dyke" by the way she shakes
hands!
Really, I promise you! :)<<
It is the sum of mannerisms, not just the handshake. But anyway Marsha, tell
me what you think about Sabatini. If you had to bet on it, which way would you
bet?
RLJ
Victoria Burns
In a previous article, rljo...@aol.com (RLJones3) says:
>Oh yeah, we love this shit. Now, what was that about Sabatini? I was always
>a bit suspicious of her leanings....
I'm pretty sure she's a Democrat.
vwburns.
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Wendy Grossman
In article <34D612...@virgin.net>, sarah....@virgin.net (Sarah
Halsted) wrote:
> Melissa wrote:
> >
> > RLJones3:
> > >>So does this confirm this rumor regarding Novotna?
> >
> > Marsha:
> > >It neither confirms it nor denies it; it's just what happened.
> > >
> > >However I can add this, if we must persue the off-court lives
> > >of the tennis elite -- when Hana and Jana were at Saddlebrook
> > >for the L&L tournament in 1994, they wee quite openly affectionate
> > >in what was a very low-key atmosphere.
> > >
> > >I have also heard Lisa Raymond and Rennae Stubbs have been
> > >quite openly affectionate at recent tournies.
> > >
> > >Geez, I *hate* that I love this gossip so much, but I can't deny
> > >that I do! Especially when it involves my "sisters"
> >
> > Uh, I understood that Novotna was out -- not so?
> >
> > Melissa
> >
> She was surprisingly open in an interview with the British magazine
> "Ace" a couple of months ago. Although she didn't spell it out
> precisely she didn't refute any of the statements about her sexuality.
>
In 1993, after Novotna's RU appearance at Wimbledon the Evening Standard
wrote a long article about what a change it represented that no one had
raised the issue of her sexuality. Which the ES did, at length.
wg
Mike Hoye
In article <6b7pc3$n...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Marsha Strong <CMST...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Please believe me, you cannot tell a "dyke" by the way she shakes
Oh, yeah?
--
Mike "Will quote out of context for food" Hoye
Mike Hoye
In article <1998Feb4.0...@lafn.org>,
Victoria Burns <be...@NOJUNKlafn.org> wrote:
>
>In a previous article, rljo...@aol.com (RLJones3) says:
>
>>Oh yeah, we love this shit. Now, what was that about Sabatini? I was always
>>a bit suspicious of her leanings....
>
>I'm pretty sure she's a Democrat.
That's worse than what I heard.
--
Mike Hoye
Sarah Halsted
> Thanks, Sarah. I still cannot locate this reference, but I know I read
> it, and it was not a statement by Novotna, but about her, describing her
> as, uh, "open about her sexuality;" and as the *only* out player on the
> tour now Martina is not playing any more. It was either in _Out_
> magazine, or perhaps ... _Diva_? Which makes more sense, as I would hve
> read it in the store, rather than have bought it. I would say, two years
> ago.
> Does it matter, Sanj asks? Well, it matters to me. I am a fan. Everything
> matters. It doesn't need to matter to anyone else, of course. : )
>
> Melissa
>
gossip mongering, but in a way it's trying to get some positive images
of lesbians and/or gays.
For me just seeing Gigi Fernandez in the players box during Conchita's
Wimbledon matches, or reading about the Novotna/Mandlikova rumours are
positive images, not least because they help to introduce the subject
naturally to the media and the public.
Sarah
--
From sarah....@virgin.net
Marsha Strong
>> Does it matter, Sanj asks? Well, it matters to me. I am a fan. Everything
>> matters. It doesn't need to matter to anyone else, of course. : )
>>
>> Melissa
>>
>It may seem to the casual observer that all this speculation is just
>gossip mongering, but in a way it's trying to get some positive images
>of lesbians and/or gays.
I agree, Sarah, and now I feel bad for making "light" of this topic.
*Nothing* in the world made me feel more positive than when Martina
came out and when she was televised speaking at the Gay Pride March
in 1994 (1995-?) -- dates always elude me.
Which makes me wish that players like Gigi, Conchita, Jana, Hana,
Lisa, and Rennae would just be up front with it all and let it go at
that. I realize it might cause some jeopardy to their careers,
especially endorsenment deals (isn't it sad to have this be a reality
in this days and age), but the good they would do would so outweigh
the negative, IMO.
>
>For me just seeing Gigi Fernandez in the players box during Conchita's
>Wimbledon matches, or reading about the Novotna/Mandlikova rumours are
>positive images, not least because they help to introduce the subject
>naturally to the media and the public.
Maybe now that Gigi has retired, she'll be able to bemore out. Maybe
some of the LPGA will come out too -- wouldn't that be great?
Marsha
kaboom
Marsha Strong <CMST...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<6bb8o7$n...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>> Which makes me wish that players like Gigi, Conchita, Jana, Hana,
> Lisa, and Rennae would just be up front with it all and let it go at
> that. I realize it might cause some jeopardy to their careers,
> especially endorsenment deals (isn't it sad to have this be a reality
> in this days and age), but the good they would do would so outweigh
> the negative, IMO.
> >
> >For me just seeing Gigi Fernandez in the players box during Conchita's
> >Wimbledon matches, or reading about the Novotna/Mandlikova rumours are
> >positive images, not least because they help to introduce the subject
> >naturally to the media and the public.
>
> Maybe now that Gigi has retired, she'll be able to bemore out. Maybe
> some of the LPGA will come out too -- wouldn't that be great?
>
> Marsha
>
Hi Marsha, I was reading an interview with Rennae Stubbs in a German
magazine, at the time she was really good friends with Steffi, in it she
was asked if she (and possibly Steffi) were gay and perhaps in a
relationship Rennae said no, and that neither of them were gay. So, what do
you think?
kaboom
Melissa
Marsha wrote:
>Please believe me, you cannot tell a "dyke" by the way she shakes
>hands!
But Marsha, it must be said, you can tell a lot *about* a "dyke" by the
way she shakes hands.
Melissa
Sarah Halsted
Hey, nothing wrong in making light of it, it's a bit of fun that has a
serious benefit too. Straight people like to gossip about famous
heterosexuals, why shouldn't we !
I suspect that the main problem with tennis players coming out lies less
with the players themselves than with the powers that be on the tour. I
understand they were still pretty uncomfortable with Martina being out
right up until her retirement.
The others probably feel unable to "officially" come out for this
reason, but at least they watch each other's matches in the areas where
the cameras go and don't secrete themselves in some back seat. A couple
of years ago BBC Radio 5 (the sports station) were commentating on one
of Gigi's doubles matches at Wimbledon and were describing who was in
the players' box. The commentator quite casually said "and there's
Conchita Martinez, girlfriend of Gigi Fernandez". No-one sued him and he
was still doing his job the next day!
Have you read Michael Mewshaw's book, Ladies Of The Court? Very
interesting, although IMHO to be taken with a slight pinch of salt.
Sarah
--
From sarah....@virgin.net
Marsha Strong
On 5 Feb 1998 03:19:38 GMT, "kaboom" <kab...@nospam.wwnet.com> wrote:
>>
>Hi Marsha, I was reading an interview with Rennae Stubbs in a German
>magazine, at the time she was really good friends with Steffi, in it she
>was asked if she (and possibly Steffi) were gay and perhaps in a
>relationship Rennae said no, and that neither of them were gay. So, what do
>you think?
>
>kaboom
Again. I really don't know. I feel sure she and Steffi were only good
friends (how long has Steffi been dating that race driver guy?).
Maybe Rennae "changed her mind" since you indicate the article was a
while ago. Or maybe she's bi. Or maybe she and Lisa are just good,
affectionate doubles partners. It really doesn't matter (to me
anyway). I just wish if it *were* true, she could be honest about it,
and realistically I don't think she *could*. An that I think is very
sad.
marsha
Mike Hoye
In article <melissa.hardie-...@remoteport4.arts.usyd.edu.au>,
Absolutely.
In my experience, if the dike is shaking badly it's time to evacuate
the village and head for the high ground.
--
Mike "Dooblah-who?" Hoye
Melissa
Mike:
> In my experience, if the dike is shaking badly it's time to evacuate
> the village and head for the high ground.
Uh, maybe not your hand, Mike. : )
Melissa
Melissa
Sarah:
>Have you read Michael Mewshaw's book, Ladies Of The Court? Very
>interesting, although IMHO to be taken with a slight pinch of salt.
Well, what is the pinch of salt?
Curious,
Melissa
Kevin
> Lisa, and Rennae would just be up front with it all and let it go at
> that.
:)
Speedrasr
Sarah Halsted wrote:
>
> Hey, nothing wrong in making light of it, it's a bit of fun that has a
> serious benefit too. Straight people like to gossip about famous
> heterosexuals, why shouldn't we !
>
> I suspect that the main problem with tennis players coming out lies less
> with the players themselves than with the powers that be on the tour. I
> understand they were still pretty uncomfortable with Martina being out
> right up until her retirement.
>
> The others probably feel unable to "officially" come out for this
> reason, but at least they watch each other's matches in the areas where
> the cameras go and don't secrete themselves in some back seat. A couple
> of years ago BBC Radio 5 (the sports station) were commentating on one
> of Gigi's doubles matches at Wimbledon and were describing who was in
> the players' box. The commentator quite casually said "and there's
> Conchita Martinez, girlfriend of Gigi Fernandez". No-one sued him and he
> was still doing his job the next day!
>
> interesting, although IMHO to be taken with a slight pinch of salt.
>
> --
Hey now, how many lesbians do we have in here? Come out come out
whereever you are?
Summusdeus
This string makes you wonder if there are any straight players on the WTA tour.
Sarah Halsted
Melissa wrote:
>
> Sarah:
>
> >Have you read Michael Mewshaw's book, Ladies Of The Court? Very
> >interesting, although IMHO to be taken with a slight pinch of salt.
>
>
> Curious,
>
> Melissa
>
be quite as bad as he describes re burnout, abuse of players. He
concentrates a little too much on the negative I feel. But apart from
that it's a very enlightening read.
Sarah
--
From sarah....@virgin.net
dar
Oh, please! Can you count?
dar
summu...@aol.com (Summusdeus) wrote:
> This string makes you wonder if there are any straight players on the
WTA tour.
-------------------------
must...
play...
tennis...
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Atul Tandon
Sarah Halsted <sarah....@virgin.net> wrote in article
<34DB5E...@virgin.net>...
You're right, Ladies of the Court is actually not too bad, although with a
very negative viewpoint -- like you said. He gives lots of interesting
slants and viewpoints on events.
But have you read Short Circuit, which is an earlier book by Meeshaw?
Reading it, you'd think the tour [in the '70s] consisted of nothing but
wholesale drug abuse and tanking!
I haven't found a single other source which verifies anything except a
couple of his mild complaints.
So, a pinch of salt at the very least!
Kamakshi
Mike Hoye
In article <19980206165...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
Summusdeus <summu...@aol.com> wrote:
>This string makes you wonder if there are any straight players
>on the WTA tour.
Makes me wonder why anyone cares.
--
Mike Hoye
Mike Hoye
Aunt Flo
In article <34DA33...@virgin.net>, Sarah Halsted
<sarah....@virgin.net> writes
>of years ago BBC Radio 5 (the sports station) were commentating on one
>of Gigi's doubles matches at Wimbledon and were describing who was in
>the players' box. The commentator quite casually said "and there's
>Conchita Martinez, girlfriend of Gigi Fernandez". No-one sued him and he
>was still doing his job the next day!
Yes, I remember that. However, they do talk about all sorts of things
on the Radio 5 Wimbledon commentary (usually older fans saying that
Christine Truman was the greatest player ever and such). I doubt very
much you'd get that kind of remark on the telly coverage - with conchita
and Gigi it was usually "friend"; about Hana and Jana they *always* say
"confidante".
--
Gillian Hardy (witty .sig coming soon)
Wendy Grossman
In article <TqKqtFAF...@agnetha.demon.co.uk>,
gil...@agnetha.demon.co.uk (Aunt Flo) wrote:
> In article <34DA33...@virgin.net>, Sarah Halsted
> <sarah....@virgin.net> writes
>
> >of years ago BBC Radio 5 (the sports station) were commentating on one
> >of Gigi's doubles matches at Wimbledon and were describing who was in
> >the players' box. The commentator quite casually said "and there's
> >Conchita Martinez, girlfriend of Gigi Fernandez". No-one sued him and h
> e
> >was still doing his job the next day!
>
> Yes, I remember that. However, they do talk about all sorts of things
> on the Radio 5 Wimbledon commentary (usually older fans saying that
> Christine Truman was the greatest player ever and such). I doubt very
That's got something to do with the fact that Christine Truman Janes is
one of the R5 commentators...
> much you'd get that kind of remark on the telly coverage - with conchita
> and Gigi it was usually "friend"; about Hana and Jana they *always* say
> "confidante".
> --
> Gillian Hardy (witty .sig coming soon)
wg
rgalloway
Aunt Flo <gil...@agnetha.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <34DA33...@virgin.net>, Sarah Halsted
><sarah....@virgin.net> writes
>
>>of years ago BBC Radio 5 (the sports station) were commentating on one
>>of Gigi's doubles matches at Wimbledon and were describing who was in
>>the players' box. The commentator quite casually said "and there's
>>Conchita Martinez, girlfriend of Gigi Fernandez". No-one sued him and he
>>was still doing his job the next day!
>
>I doubt very
>much you'd get that kind of remark on the telly coverage - with conchita
>and Gigi it was usually "friend"; about Hana and Jana they *always* say
>"confidante".
I'm actually glad that they acknowledge the relationship at all, but I
have always thought it would be interesting to see heterosexual relation-
ships acknowledged in the same way: "Here we see Boris' 'good friend'
Barbara burying her head in her lap" or "And there's Kimberly Williams,
'confidante' of Pete Sampras"
Robin
Aunt Flo
In article <Eo5CG...@cix.compulink.co.uk>, Wendy Grossman
<wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes
>> Yes, I remember that. However, they do talk about all sorts of things
>> on the Radio 5 Wimbledon commentary (usually older fans saying that
>> Christine Truman was the greatest player ever and such). I doubt very
>
>That's got something to do with the fact that Christine Truman Janes is
>one of the R5 commentators...
Quite. We also get a fair bit of adoration for Frew McMillan and Wendy
Turnbull for exactly the same reasons. The Radio 5 team do talk a load
of trivia a lot of the time (especially when it's raining, and perhaps
the most famous time was when the other commentators were discussing the
finer details of Agassi's shorts and asked Fred perry about them, who
turned around and said he hadn't noticed them because he was too busy
watching the tennis) but I've never ever heard them discuss the love
lives of the players. Mind you, it *is* the BBC after all...