Federer says Rafa maybe best player of 2012

[TT]

�There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
we don�t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months. We
hope he�s back next year so we can have this conversation again.�

...Anybody think he said this to downplay Djoker?

-

Meanwhile Nole says:

"Tennis misses Rafa a lot. He is already a legend of this sport."

[Scott]

On Nov 13, 6:33 am, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
> “There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
> we don’t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months. We
> hope he’s back next year so we can have this conversation again.”

>
> ...Anybody think he said this to downplay Djoker?
>
> -
>
> Meanwhile Nole says:
>
> "Tennis misses Rafa a lot. He is already a legend of this sport."

So, Federer is suddenly credible when he pays Nadal a compliment, but
incredible all other times. More Nadal Fanboism.

[TT]

Trouble with reading comprehension? Tinfoil hat too tight?

[Pelle Svanslös]

On 13.11.2012 12:33, TT wrote:
> “There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
> we don’t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months. We
> hope he’s back next year so we can have this conversation again.”

>
> ...Anybody think he said this to downplay Djoker?
>
> -
>
> Meanwhile Nole says:
>
> "Tennis misses Rafa a lot. He is already a legend of this sport."

Yup. Rafa's absence is a huge loss for the game.

--
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/FEDERER_Roger-24x30-1998.jpg

[Court_1]

> --http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/FEDERER_Roger-24x3...

Too bad Rafa's absence did not get rid of you. You claim to hate
Federer, yet you watch every one of his matches and follow his every
move. Doesn't sound like a true hater to me. I don't watch matches of
the players whom I dislike unless they are playing one of my favorites
in a big match.

[ca1houn]

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:33:18 AM UTC-8, TT wrote:
> “There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
>
> we don’t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months. We
>
> hope he’s back next year so we can have this conversation again.”

>
>
>
> ...Anybody think he said this to downplay Djoker?
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
> Meanwhile Nole says:
>
>
>
> "Tennis misses Rafa a lot. He is already a legend of this sport."

As a federer fan i don't agree with everything he says. That you TT who think nadal always right. If federer really think that he's fucking wrong period.

[ca1houn]

On Tuesday, November 13, 2012 4:47:35 AM UTC-8, TT wrote:
> 13.11.2012 14:25, Scott kirjoitti:
>
> > On Nov 13, 6:33 am, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
>

> >> �There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
>
> >> we don�t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months. We
>
> >> hope he�s back next year so we can have this conversation again.�

>
> >>
>
> >> ...Anybody think he said this to downplay Djoker?
>
> >>
>
> >> -
>
> >>
>
> >> Meanwhile Nole says:
>
> >>
>
> >> "Tennis misses Rafa a lot. He is already a legend of this sport."
>
> >
>
> > So, Federer is suddenly credible when he pays Nadal a compliment, but
>
> > incredible all other times. More Nadal Fanboism.
>
> >
>
>
>
> Trouble with reading comprehension? Tinfoil hat too tight?

No trouble Scott hit right on the spot , your bias and you lie like almost all Nadal fans. Which is understandable because he doesn't have the records fed has. I might have lied to if my guy wasn't second rate.

[Pelle Svanslös]

On 13.11.2012 18:04, Court_1 wrote:

> On Nov 13, 11:55 am, Pelle Svansl�s <pe...@svans.los> wrote:
>> On 13.11.2012 12:33, TT wrote:
>>
>>> There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
>>> we don t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months. We
>>> hope he s back next year so we can have this conversation again.
>>
>>> ...Anybody think he said this to downplay Djoker?
>>
>>> -
>>
>>> Meanwhile Nole says:
>>
>>> "Tennis misses Rafa a lot. He is already a legend of this sport."
>>
>> Yup. Rafa's absence is a huge loss for the game.
>>
>> --http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/FEDERER_Roger-24x3...
>
> Too bad Rafa's absence did not get rid of you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB3coG_FjvE

--
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/FEDERER_Roger-24x30-1998.jpg

[TT]

13.11.2012 19:55, ca1houn kirjoitti:
> your bias and you lie like almost all Nadal fans.

Yes I get this a lot... yet never in a post where I lie though... ever
wonder why that is?

[ca1houn]

Lol if i read all the bullshit you type I would be here all day.

[Patrick Kehoe]

On Nov 13, 3:33 am, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
> “There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
> we don’t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months. We
> hope he’s back next year so we can have this conversation again.”

>
> ...Anybody think he said this to downplay Djoker?
>
> -
>
> Meanwhile Nole says:
>
> "Tennis misses Rafa a lot. He is already a legend of this sport."

My view is: Federer has a TON of respect for Rafa... whoever doesn't
believe that doesn't understand these guys... Roger certainly can see
how well Rafa competed in 2011 and makes the natural assumption that
given how well Rafa played in 2012 when he was there (given what he
won) that he'd have been right there for consideration as Player of
the Year... makes sense...

P

[kaennorsing]

Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 12:33:18 UTC+1 schreef TT het volgende:
> “There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
>
> we don’t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months. We
>
> hope he’s back next year so we can have this conversation again.”

>
>
>
> ...Anybody think he said this to downplay Djoker?

No, he said it just to be nice and probably didn't realise it makes no sense at all. Now, if Rafa had an accident of some kind which had prohibited him from playing it would make some sense, but since Rafa injured himself it doesn't as it opens the door for an endless amount of could-woulda-injury-notwithstanding-scenarios. Physical management is a primary task for a professional athlete. Probably the most important one of all.

[TT]

13.11.2012 22:31, kaennorsing kirjoitti:
> Op dinsdag 13 november 2012 12:33:18 UTC+1 schreef TT het volgende:

>> �There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
>>
>> we don�t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months. We
>>
>> hope he�s back next year so we can have this conversation again.�

>>
>>
>>
>> ...Anybody think he said this to downplay Djoker?
>
> No, he said it just to be nice and probably didn't realise it makes no sense at all. Now, if Rafa had an accident of some kind which had prohibited him from playing it would make some sense, but since Rafa injured himself it doesn't as it opens the door for an endless amount of could-woulda-injury-notwithstanding-scenarios. Physical management is a primary task for a professional athlete. Probably the most important one of all.
>

Nah, you just don't understand injuries. There doesn't have to be a
reason for an injury, they can just happen. And when you get one you
compensate which creates more injuries. It's very much about luck.

[Vari L. Cinicke]

On 11/13/2012 3:36 PM, TT wrote:
> Nah, you just don't understand injuries. There doesn't have to be a
> reason for an injury, they can just happen. And when you get one you
> compensate which creates more injuries. It's very much about luck.

Yes, absolutely nothing to do with playing style!

If you were good at something, you could be an idiot savant. ;)

[Gracchus]

Uncanny that Federer has had such incredibly GOOD luck when it comes
to injuries, yet Rafa is constantly injured. Does one of them keep a
four-leaf clover in his gear bag or the other hang a horseshoe upside
down in his locker?

[drew]

On Nov 13, 6:33 am, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:
> “There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
> we don’t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months. We
> hope he’s back next year so we can have this conversation again.”

>
> ...Anybody think he said this to downplay Djoker?

I don't know but it sounds like something Whisper would say.....take
the guy out of the
top 4 who obviously did most poorly of the 4 and say that "if he had
played he woulda,
coulda, blah, blah, blah..."

If that is a real quote from Federer, I think he needs a mental
rest...or maybe he's taking too
many interviews, and like McEnroe, he can't keep track of what he's
saying....or maybe you're
right, maybe he's doing one of his backhanded compliment things....say
something nice to say
something negative. He can be a bit of a cunt that way.

[drew]

On Nov 13, 3:31 pm, kaennorsing <ljubit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> No, he said it just to be nice and probably didn't realise it makes no sense at all. Now, if Rafa had an accident of some kind which had prohibited him from playing it would make some sense, but since Rafa injured himself it doesn't as it opens the door for an endless amount of could-woulda-injury-notwithstanding-scenarios.

Agreed. That kind of coulda woulda speculation is baloney. Obviously
of the top 4, Rafa had the least successful year. After what happened
at Wimbledon any coulda woulda's having him win the USO and YEC are
overly optimistic.

[drew]

On Nov 13, 3:36 pm, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:

> Nah, you just don't understand injuries.

You don't understand probabilities.

[Sakari Lund]

On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:33:17 +0200, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:

>典here is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
>we don稚 know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months.

There is also an argument that I was the best player of the year
because we don't know how I would have played the 12 months.

[Patrick Kehoe]

On Nov 14, 8:10 am, Sakari Lund <sakari.l...@welho.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:33:17 +0200, TT <as...@dprk.kp> wrote:

> > There is an argument that Rafa was the best player of the year because
> >we don t know how he would have played in the remaining 6 months.

>
> There is also an argument that I was the best player of the year
> because we don't know how I would have played the 12 months.

Thing is SL, ya, we do...

:)))))))))

[kidding ya]

P

[TT]

14.11.2012 16:16, drew kirjoitti:
> I don't know but it sounds like something Whisper would say.....take
> the guy out of the
> top 4 who obviously did most poorly of the 4

Actually Rafa did have most points during first half of the year.

Of course Roger is correct in the sense that Rafa is the best player of
big 4, so any title with Rafa missing is not the same...

[kaennorsing]

Op woensdag 14 november 2012 18:49:21 UTC+1 schreef TT het volgende:

> 14.11.2012 16:16, drew kirjoitti:
>
> > I don't know but it sounds like something Whisper would say.....take
>
> > the guy out of the
>
> > top 4 who obviously did most poorly of the 4
>
>
>
> Actually Rafa did have most points during first half of the year.

Just like about every year since 06... and then he has the least amount in the 2nd half.

> Of course Roger is correct in the sense that Rafa is the best player of
>
> big 4, so any title with Rafa missing is not the same...

Unfortunately for you, Rafa was only the best in 2 years; 08 and 10. But even Djoker has already equalled him in that department. Fed is still tops with 5 years (arguably 6 with 03)... Murray still at zero of course.

[Whisper]

Maybe Fed meant in the sense Rafa set an all time men's record with his
7th FO win - 1st time ever that's happened. If you achieve something
that's never been done (besting Borg's mighty FO record), then surely
'player of the year' has merit?

[TT]

Perhaps if you look at YE ranks aka success. But Rafa has been the best
player since 2008, apart from 2011 when Djoker was better.

[drew]

On Nov 14, 1:36 pm, Whisper <beaver...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Maybe Fed meant in the sense Rafa set an all time men's record with his
> 7th FO win - 1st time ever that's happened.  If you achieve something
> that's never been done (besting Borg's mighty FO record), then surely
> 'player of the year' has merit?

Player of the year is the best player overall for the year. Not
necessarily year end #1 but probably the
guy who held the #1 position for most of the year and won some big
events....nobody but Djokovic fits that
description....Federer second with his #1 and Wimbledon, Nadal and
Murray somewhere behind this.

A guy who loses second round at Wimbledon and doesn't even play the
USO and is a long way off the #1 position
can hardly be considered the player of the year....unless he lives in
your world.

[Patrick Kehoe]

Fed in his presser was commenting on coulda, woulda for Rafa... so,
that's not a big deal... just interview fluff for the sake of Rafa
fans/tennis fans...

Coming to name ATP Player of the Year comes down to Murray, Federer
and Nole... and Nole tops Federer at YEC so gets the nod, I would
think, given Nole's Jan to Nov. type numbers... major, YEC,
master1000s, being-losing-regaining #1 that pretty well ties it up for
him... no big bone of contention to chew, I don't believe... Murray
had breakthrough year, but not Player of the Year season... Fed had
great year, Wimbledon win, 3 Master1000s, regain #1... a big personal
year at 31... still Nole tops it... that YEC was the decider for me...

P

[Whisper]

Historically Rafa had the best year. He put a dent in the history books
with his 7th FO. Djoker won AO - big fucking deal. History will barely
recognize 1 AO won.

My feeling is Fed & Rafa had the best year, followed by Murray & Djoker
distant 4th.

[Whisper]

Lol. My feeling is Fed & Rafa would not swap their results this yr with
anyone, while Djoker & Murray would in a heartbeat.

[TT]

Fed would change with Murray and maybe Rafa.

Murray might change with Fed, although I doubt it with OG at Wimbledon +
USO.

Rafa would not change RG (+MC).

Djoker would change with anybody, especially Rafa and probably with
Murray. Not sure if he would change with Fed, depends on how much he
appreciates his AO record and plans to improve that.

[Whisper]

On 15/11/2012 9:55 PM, TT wrote:
> 15.11.2012 12:38, Whisper kirjoitti:
>>
>>
>> Lol. My feeling is Fed & Rafa would not swap their results this yr with
>> anyone, while Djoker & Murray would in a heartbeat.
>>
>>
>
> Fed would change with Murray and maybe Rafa.

Nope. Not a chance in hell. Now he can say nobody won more Wimbledons
than him.

>
> Murray might change with Fed, although I doubt it with OG at Wimbledon +
> USO.

I have no doubt he'd take Wimbledon over USO, & would probably sacrifice
OG in the bargain as well.

>
> Rafa would not change RG (+MC).

Agree. 7th FO is unique achievement & puts him ahead of Borg in the
most important clay category.

>
> Djoker would change with anybody, especially Rafa and probably with
> Murray. Not sure if he would change with Fed, depends on how much he
> appreciates his AO record and plans to improve that.

Djoker would definitely swap with all 3 guys - complete no-brainer.

[TT]

15.11.2012 13:18, Whisper kirjoitti:
>>
>> Fed would change with Murray and maybe Rafa.
>
>
> Nope. Not a chance in hell. Now he can say nobody won more Wimbledons
> than him.
>

It's still a 3-way tie...

>>
>> Murray might change with Fed, although I doubt it with OG at Wimbledon +
>> USO.
>
>
> I have no doubt he'd take Wimbledon over USO, & would probably sacrifice
> OG in the bargain as well.
>

I doubt it very much.

>
>
>>
>> Rafa would not change RG (+MC).

That's a given.

Any chance I can imagine would be with Murray vs OG+USO.

>
>
> Djoker would definitely swap with all 3 guys - complete no-brainer.
>

Well Djoke may have a go at AO Open Era record, and I think he values YE
#1 quite much... so maybe not changing it with Fed, he has Wimby already.

[MBDunc]

On Thursday, November 15, 2012 12:38:40 PM UTC+2, Whisper wrote:
> > Lol. My feeling is Fed & Rafa would not swap their results this yr with anyone, while Djoker & Murray would in a heartbeat.

Rafa could easily swap with Murray....

Rafa: Two Olympic Golds alone would have been a great career legacy shortcut noone can match..(strong tier1 forever)....and beating Djoker in USO final would have been a nice payback bonus?

Especially when for Rafa getting that 7th FO later will be a lot easier than getting another USO or OG.

.mikko

[TT]

Yes, that's a possibility. I still think he wouldn't.

He also won 8th MC and... 6th? Rome... legendary.

[TT]

15.11.2012 14:52, TT kirjoitti:
> Rafa: Two Olympic Golds alone would have been a great career legacy
> shortcut noone can match..(strong tier1 forever)

Why do you think nobody could match that? Certainly 2 singles OG is doable.

[Court_1]

Fed would NOT change with Murray or Nadal. Nobody is giving up a
Wimbledon title (a record breaking W title equalling Sampras no less)
for ANY other slam. Get that through your thick skull. Wimbledon is
THE slam, the slam which every player dreams of winning when he/she is
a kid. Nadal himself says he treasures his W win in 2008 over any
other title. Stop making up crap.

[TT]

Oh yes he would.

[Sakari Lund]

Are you insane? Fed had 7th Wimbledon and took #1 record from Sampras.
Two things he really wanted to do this year. You are saying he would
have rather taken FO title and half a year out of the game? Would be
interesting to hear the reasoning behind that... USO+Olympic gold is
closer, but I am still sure he is happier with what he had.

[Court_1]

Clearly he is. You just can't reason with these type of crazed fans.
Yes Federer is going to give up his 7th W title, a title which ties
him with Sampras as the king of Wimbledon and a slam which Federer has
repeatedly stated is his favorite slam and a slam which every pro
tennis player on earth worth anything strives to win.

[phamqu...@optusnet.com.au]

On Friday, November 16, 2012 4:50:41 AM UTC+11, Sakari Lund wrote:

> Are you insane? Fed had 7th Wimbledon and took #1 record from Sampras.
>
> Two things he really wanted to do this year. You are saying he would
>
> have rather taken FO title and half a year out of the game? Would be
>
> interesting to hear the reasoning behind that... USO+Olympic gold is
>
> closer, but I am still sure he is happier with what he had.

Fed is happy with W + 300. OG is a minor disappointment.

Murray is happy. A minor disappoinment is he did poorly outside of USO+OG and would still be No.4 if Nadal was healthy.

Nole would probably like to exchange with Rafa, to get his career GS.

Rafa would probably like to swap with any of the other 3, to balance his records. Being a specialist is the opposite of greatness.