Bruno Rebeuh fired!!
The Verminator
Bas Veerman wrote:
> Well, this will be good news to finish off some players haunting nightmares:
> The ATP has fired Bruno Rebeuh!
>
> Got this from a reliable source, but I didn't get a reason yet (maybe later?)
>
> Bas V.
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Verminator
Bas Veerman
Dan Cornelius
Jeff Tarango must be coming down with a good case of
I-told-you-so-itis about now.
dar
Dan Cornelius <cor...@osu.edu> wrote:
> Bas Veerman wrote:
What I've read is that Bruno Reuboh, following a complaint by Tarango, was
not allowed to officiate a Tarango match in the Swiss Indoors tournament
currently going on, because ATP officials agreed with Tarango that the
ongoing and unresolved conflict between the two men would create an
untenable situation for them both. I *didn't* read that Reuboh was
*fired*, that is, that he is no longer working for the ATP. Two quite
different scenarios: Does someone know which is correct?
dar
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James Foster
dar wrote:
>
> What I've read is that Bruno Reuboh, following a complaint by Tarango, was
> not allowed to officiate a Tarango match in the Swiss Indoors tournament
> currently going on, because ATP officials agreed with Tarango that the
> ongoing and unresolved conflict between the two men would create an
> untenable situation for them both. I *didn't* read that Reuboh was
> *fired*, that is, that he is no longer working for the ATP. Two quite
> different scenarios: Does someone know which is correct?
>
I believe that Rebeuh is not retained by the ATP but hired as
a freelance umpire on a tournament by tournamet basis: he was axed
from the Basle tournament following Tarango's complaint. The ATP
claim that they have not completed their review of the '95 Wimbledon
incident and so decided it was best if he did not umpire in Basle. (The
reason they have not completed the review is that he has not been
scheduled
to umpire in any ATP events so they didn't bother.They don't explain why
they would be conducting a review of an incident at Wimbledon - which is
not under ATP jurisdiction - in the first place.)
James
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Mark Voorhees
On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:36:49, dgo...@emory.edu (dar) wrote:
> What I've read is that Bruno Reuboh, following a complaint by Tarango, was
> not allowed to officiate a Tarango match in the Swiss Indoors tournament
> currently going on, because ATP officials agreed with Tarango that the
> ongoing and unresolved conflict between the two men would create an
> untenable situation for them both. I *didn't* read that Reuboh was
> *fired*, that is, that he is no longer working for the ATP. Two quite
> different scenarios: Does someone know which is correct?
Your scenario sounds more more likely but much less interesting. Truth
sometimes is less strange than fiction.
Mark
Mark Voorhees
voor...@interport.net
Bas Veerman
>
>What I've read is that Bruno Reuboh, following a complaint by Tarango, was
>not allowed to officiate a Tarango match in the Swiss Indoors tournament
>currently going on, because ATP officials agreed with Tarango that the
>ongoing and unresolved conflict between the two men would create an
>untenable situation for them both. I *didn't* read that Reuboh was
>*fired*, that is, that he is no longer working for the ATP. Two quite
>different scenarios: Does someone know which is correct?
>
My newspaper (de volkskrant, usually reliable), and dutch teletext both stated
clearly Rebeuh was fired. I know nothing of the above statement, but it would
be likely for Rebeuh to be fired if he did not accept the ATP siding with
Tarango here. Of course, there is still a remote possibility of two news
sources (perhaps not independent) got it wrong, and Rebeuh is not fired
(yet?).
Bas V.
Shun Cheung
> > not allowed to officiate a Tarango match in the Swiss Indoors tournament
> > currently going on, because ATP officials agreed with Tarango that the
> > ongoing and unresolved conflict between the two men would create an
> > untenable situation for them both. I *didn't* read that Reuboh was
> > *fired*, that is, that he is no longer working for the ATP. Two quite
> > different scenarios: Does someone know which is correct?
> Your scenario sounds more more likely but much less interesting. Truth
> sometimes is less strange than fiction.
True. :-)
Not to mention that the ATP and ITF are different organizations which
don't get along too well. Even though the ATP fires Reuboh, which is
kind of doubtful anyway (what are the reasons given???), the ITF can
continue to use Reuboh in ITF run matches, such as the GS and Davis
Cup.
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Stephane Di Cesare
On Fri, 03 Oct 1997 02:52:25 -0400, Shun Cheung
<sh...@e-mail.addr.in.sig> wrote:
>Not to mention that the ATP and ITF are different organizations which
>don't get along too well. Even though the ATP fires Reuboh, which is
>kind of doubtful anyway (what are the reasons given???), the ITF can
>continue to use Reuboh in ITF run matches, such as the GS and Davis
>Cup.
I don't know about what is happening right now, but in past Bruno Rebeuh
has been reported to be a close friend of Marc Rosset; an umpire is not
allowed to socialize with a player, and I think he got a warning from
the ITF.
Stephane Di Cesare
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Shun Cheung
Stephane Di Cesare wrote:
> I don't know about what is happening right now, but in past Bruno Rebeuh
> has been reported to be a close friend of Marc Rosset; an umpire is not
> allowed to socialize with a player, and I think he got a warning from
> the ITF.
Really? Pro tennis is a pretty small circle, and people in the circle
have to socialize somehow. Afterall, they travel from country to country
and see one another on a daily/weekly basis. If Rebeuh is a good friend
of Rosset's, perhaps Rebeuh shouldn't be officiating Rosset's matches.
But losing his job because of that????
Wendy Grossman
In article <343496...@e-mail.addr.in.sig>, sh...@e-mail.addr.in.sig
(Shun Cheung) wrote:
> Mark Voorhees wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:36:49, dgo...@emory.edu (dar) wrote:
> >
> > > What I've read is that Bruno Reuboh, following a complaint by Tarang
> o, was
> > > not allowed to officiate a Tarango match in the Swiss Indoors tourna
> ment
> > > currently going on, because ATP officials agreed with Tarango that t
> he
> > > ongoing and unresolved conflict between the two men would create an
> > > untenable situation for them both. I *didn't* read that Reuboh was
> > > *fired*, that is, that he is no longer working for the ATP. Two quit
> e
> > > different scenarios: Does someone know which is correct?
>
> > Your scenario sounds more more likely but much less interesting. Truth
> > sometimes is less strange than fiction.
>
> True. :-)
>
> Not to mention that the ATP and ITF are different organizations which
> don't get along too well. Even though the ATP fires Reuboh, which is
> kind of doubtful anyway (what are the reasons given???), the ITF can
> continue to use Reuboh in ITF run matches, such as the GS and Davis
> Cup.
>
Could we get back to the correct spelling of the man's name -- Rebeuh?
If he has been fired, the news doesn't seem to be on the wire services.
wg
Christopher Gerby
<< If he has been fired, the news doesn't seem
to be on the wire services >>
That's hardly a surprise, considering how the
mainstream tennis press has been asleep at the
wheel on this story from the very beginning. The
reporters were all too busy guffawing over what a
"psycho" Jeff Tarango is to actually look into
whether or not a biased umpire is compromising the
integrity of the sport.
Are you aware that the official investigation
into Rebeuh's allegedly corrupt ways has still not
been completed...after more than two years??? I'll
bet you haven't read anything about that on the
wire services. Have you heard Jimmy Arias's sworn
statement charging that Rebeuh once made a VERY
questionable overrule which effectively handed a
match to Martin Jaite...and was later seen with his
arm around Jaite and his wife??? That got marginal
play in the press, but it certainly didn't make
headline news like every time Andre Agassi drops
out of a tournament or Anna Kournikova dons a
skimpy outfit.
SOMETHING happened with Bruno Rebeuh this week,
but the journalists have done such a bang up job
that all I've been able to track down are bits and
pieces of second hand information. Pretty much the
extent of what I've heard so far is that Rebeuh was
"asked to leave" the tournament in Basel. I won't
believe that he was literally fired by the ATP or
ITF until I can find some real verification, but the
lack of wire service info doesn't indicate much to
me one way or another.
--Chris G.
TennisNews
Tarango saw Rebeuh was on the work list and requested he be removed. The ATP
Tour removed him. Now the ATP Tour is under fire for taking that action. It
will probably be resolved at the board meeting in Vienna. The reason given by
the ATP Tour at the tournament was that the matter had not been resolved at
Wimbledon-------but Wimbledon is an ITF event, not an ATP Tour event. It would
appear that the ATP Tour made a mistake on this one.
The ITF has no jurisdiction in an ATP Tour event, such as the current event
under fire.
DMA
In article <EHK8E...@cix.compulink.co.uk>, wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk
says...
>
>Now if they would just do John Frame...he was the umpire in that
Wimbledon
>match between Tim Mayotte and Stefan Edberg some years back (I think
one
>of the years Edberg won the tournament). This was the tie-break where a
>ball was called out instead of good and Frame ruled they did not have to
>replay the point (awarding it to Edberg) because the call had not hindered
>Mayotte in playing the point. Mayotte was so enraged he trashed his
>racket at the next changeover -- which Frame then had the gall to give him
>a warning for.
>
>I know he's a very experienced umpire, but I've never been able to forget
>this incident, which has always seemed to me completely unfair.
SO now we should fire umpires for one blown call? Come now, that's
ridiculous. You haven't forgiven him for this one, but I haven't forgiven David
Littlefield for overruling a call at the French Open one year, handing Andrei
Cherkasov a handful of match points against Stefan Edberg. The call was so
bad the crowd refused to stop booing until Edberg asked them to. So let's fire
Littlefield's a**, too.
Well, actually, if we are in the business of firing umpires, Littlefield IS at the
top of my list. Why? Because it seems the guy is absolutely unable to officiate
a match without inserting his will, without in some way ensuring that HE has
played a part in the proceedings in some way other than announcing the
score. Watch him. If he's in the chair, there is SURE to be an overrule at a
crucial moment.
dar
wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Wendy Grossman") wrote:
> Could we get back to the correct spelling of the man's name -- Rebeuh?
> If he has been fired, the news doesn't seem to be on the wire services.
Don't be so anal, Wendie.
Sanj
Hi,
I don't think so!
Here's an example:
Jeff Tarango attempted to start a fist fight with an opponent in
the locker room, after a doubles match in which Tarango was hit on his
foot by an overhead that this player hit (his opponent even apologized)!
I'd rather not mention the name of the player.
But, that says a lot about Tarango, to me! :(
Sanj
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Atul Tandon
"Wendy Grossman" <wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in article
<EHMwq...@cix.compulink.co.uk>...
> In article <343615...@e-mail.addr.in.sig>, sh...@e-mail.addr.in.sig
> (Shun Cheung) wrote:
......
> Yes, but nonetheless that was the rule for a long time -- part of being
> professional is that the umpires are supposed to socialize with each
other
> rather than the players. There was a book written about tennis umpiring
> (which pissed off the BTUA no end) called, I think Center Court, by Bob
> Jenkins. He became persona non grata with the BTUA as a result of the
> book (I think basically for speaking publicly), but a number of the
> recommendations he made then are now standard practice. The problem is
> that if you're a good friend of one player's you'd have to be taken out
of
> the entire chain of matches leading to his at any given tournament -- I
> mean, think about it. Say you're umpiring the match *before* Rosset in
> the draw, and you know that one player would be significantly easier for
> Rosset to beat than the other. Being Rosset's friend opens you and the
> tour to the possibility that you might favor that player -- or at least
be
> accused of same. So it's a much stickier problem than just taking that
> umpire out of that player's matches.
Does it really make a difference to the umpire's eyesight if he/she is a
player's friend? As for doing their best to rig matches, one too many bad
matches and bad overrules will eventually get them sacked becaues they are
being monitered to a certain extent.The ATP is supposed to make an effort
to hire only tried and tested umpires -- someone the players trust.
Whether they're doing this or not I don't know, but that is the idea. If an
umpire does have friends on the tour and the other players are okay with
it, then it shouldn't be a problem. In fact, I would think that a umpire
would be reluctant to grant an overrule to someone who was known as a
friend for fear of being accused to this very thing.
Kamakshi
Wendy Grossman
In article <343615...@e-mail.addr.in.sig>, sh...@e-mail.addr.in.sig
(Shun Cheung) wrote:
> Stephane Di Cesare wrote:
>
> > I don't know about what is happening right now, but in past Bruno Rebe
> uh
> > has been reported to be a close friend of Marc Rosset; an umpire is no
> t
> > allowed to socialize with a player, and I think he got a warning from
> > the ITF.
>
> Really? Pro tennis is a pretty small circle, and people in the circle
> have to socialize somehow. Afterall, they travel from country to country
> and see one another on a daily/weekly basis. If Rebeuh is a good friend
> of Rosset's, perhaps Rebeuh shouldn't be officiating Rosset's matches.
> But losing his job because of that????
>
Yes, but nonetheless that was the rule for a long time -- part of being
professional is that the umpires are supposed to socialize with each other
rather than the players. There was a book written about tennis umpiring
(which pissed off the BTUA no end) called, I think Center Court, by Bob
Jenkins. He became persona non grata with the BTUA as a result of the
book (I think basically for speaking publicly), but a number of the
recommendations he made then are now standard practice. The problem is
that if you're a good friend of one player's you'd have to be taken out of
the entire chain of matches leading to his at any given tournament -- I
mean, think about it. Say you're umpiring the match *before* Rosset in
the draw, and you know that one player would be significantly easier for
Rosset to beat than the other. Being Rosset's friend opens you and the
tour to the possibility that you might favor that player -- or at least be
accused of same. So it's a much stickier problem than just taking that
umpire out of that player's matches.
wg